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  • riccardo171riccardo171 Member Posts: 1,802 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    I think the highest I've gotten on a player was 160ish with HY3 bio-m, but ive got every possible photon/crit/crtD thing stuck on that I can find. And I think it was in <60 kerrat before I made the jump into spec point land.

    A couple days ago I got the command cruisers. Depending on just how much they have fixed the concentrate firepower thing, it could lead to a veritable hose of HY bio moleculars. When you get the free HY1 from it, it's also meant to reset your torp launcher cool downs. Sheshar trait already makes my Brel a torpedo hose, I'm anxious to explore what the command ship can do.

    Yeah it would be great to know how Concentrate Firepower works. I bought only the Presidio though, and since I don't use torpedoes there (at all) I can't really figure out how good that skill is.
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  • ussprometheus79ussprometheus79 Member Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    I have upgraded the Aventine, even if I was using the Vesta before DR.

    At T5U Aventine gets the fifth sci console, and the 4 tac consoles may be interesting for a tac character. However, Vesta has +5 innate bonus to aux power and gets a third engi.

    Depends on what you want to do, for me it wouldn't make any difference, but since I wanted to use the Aventine with a multipurpose build on my tac as well, it was the cheapest option for me.

    I dunno, I was thinking GW with TS of some kind, but I'd still like a little punch for a beamboat build for other content.
    If you've come to the forums to complain about the AFK system, it's known to be bugged at the moment.
  • vkoynovvkoynov Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    He's right. The Suppression Barrage accuracy bug was discovered by PvPers, not PvErs. At least we take the time to check one-by-one the new addons and see if they're acceptable or not for the metagame. PvErs don't see many things.

    I wonder how a PvEr could have discovered that accuracy tooltip of the one being targeted by SB increases by 100%, while it actually does nor buffs, nor debuffs to accuracy. Thanks to that bort was able to track down the issue which will fix an ability used both in PvP and PvE.

    Without PvPers, you'd have a mass of continuously broken abilities meant to go through hitpoint bags faster. Argument Invalidated.

    And why do you think we are 5 or 10? We were many 3-4 years ago, i leveled up characters from lvl 10 to the end only with PvP.PvP players just couldn't take more from Cryptic.
    And about us, we are those who actually give money, who upgrade everything, who create the builds even for PvE . Do you think i would spent even 10 zen to play vs brainless computers.
  • melineaaelemelineaaele Member Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    On a selfish level, I am thrilled that the Intel sleaze / space pollution is getting nerfed.

    But, far far far more people do PvE than PvP. Fortunately. On a personal level, I don't have a high opinion of the Intel ship people to begin with, and moreover I'm not convinced this nerf really affects PvE a great deal.

    So, I won't be losing any sleep over it.

    Indeed.. There are very few PvE targets that would actually be able to outpace a welltimed ionic..

    The only ones I can see complaining about this, is Intel PvP cheesers
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Concentrate Firepower:
    ---Duration extended from 15 seconds to 20 seconds.
    ---Free "High Yield I" Mode now only triggered by Torpedo hits to ensure it is not granted to a player that cannot use it.
    ---Any ally that receives the free High Yield I Mode will also instantly have all torpedo cooldowns reset.
    ---Resolved an issue that was preventing the extra Kinetic Damage from reliably being added to Torpedo hits.

    CF3 can trigger the HY1 every 2s (CF2, 4s; CF1, 6s).

    So the question becomes...does that mean...

    HY1 every 2s for 20s...on a torp that's getting it CD reset.

    10x HY1 whatever delivered in 20s?

    Or will the "fake" HY1 trigger that 5s delay so that it wouldn't be possible? Would need to work out the number of folks in the group sort of thing?

    I can't remember, and obviously can't login to check it - just can't remember.

    I think it could make a funny video depending though...yeah?
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  • drake122svkdrake122svk Member Posts: 731 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    TY all, the forum pew pew in this thread is epic.
  • architect13architect13 Member Posts: 1,076 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Now that it is Live, how well is it working?
    Have you tried the new forum on your phone?
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Now that it is Live, how well is it working?

    Not well at all. Like I said, 3km is a pretty small radius: about half the time IT arrives, the NPC is pretty much already out of range. Like I said,
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  • unsacredgraveunsacredgrave Member Posts: 150 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    its useless now, I will remove it from my build on the weekend. and btw, if cryptic is consequent, they should do the same change to "scramble sensors".
  • atlantraatlantra Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    --and btw, if cryptic is consequent, they should do the same change to "scramble sensors".

    Why? Scramble sensors don't blackout people's power tray and shake their ships all silly. Obviously there's nothing wrong with scramble sensors. Sure it's annoying to press F1 to target heal/Science team yourself, but it's the counter.

    A simple counter everyone and all ships can do. Can't say the same about that 'Ionic Noobulence' power.
    The dress is gold and white. Over 70% people says so. When viewed from a certain screen angle it appears blue and black. The dress displayed on amazon is a blue and black dress, but it's not the same dress in the picture. If you're seeing blue & black you're slightly colored blind. A normal upright screen = white and gold.
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  • spaceeagle20spaceeagle20 Member Posts: 971 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    Here's an idea, riccardo171: instead of trolling *me* for a fight, why don't you challenge repetitiveepic to a 1-on-1 duel?! THAT is a battle I'd love to come to Kerrat for! :D

    You 2 guys need a challenge room ? PvE hero vs. PvP hero … THAT is a battle I'd love to watch ! :P :P
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  • riccardo171riccardo171 Member Posts: 1,802 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    It's doing great, finally it's not a death sentence button anymore. Reports from OPVP are saying that these changes, at last, were made in the right way, good job Cryptic. I have to admit it now.

    Neutronic doesn't oneshot anymore, and the armor penetration trait works as it should. Couldn't be happier on these patch notes. Plus, seeing people moaning about the changes both in PvP and PvE is the icing on the cake!

    Missing Surgical Strikes 3 now.

    I agree with atlantra, for Scramble Sensor you just need to cast yourself a science team. Nothing too difficult for the average human mind you know.

    You 2 guys need a challenge room ? PvE hero vs. PvP hero … THAT is a battle I'd love to watch ! :P :P

    Lol arthas :D
  • giohaxgiohax Member Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    I agree with atlantra, for Scramble Sensor you just need to cast yourself a science team. Nothing too difficult for the average human mind you know.


    average human mind, you said it.
    too bad pvers aren't average, they're waaaay lower.

    btw hai ric o/
  • spaceeagle20spaceeagle20 Member Posts: 971 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    giohax wrote: »
    average human mind, you said it.
    too bad pvers aren't average, they're waaaay lower.

    btw hai ric o/

    /grabs popcorn
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    It's doing great, finally it's not a death sentence button anymore.

    Reports from OPVP are saying that these changes, at last, were made in the right way, good job Cryptic. I have to admit it now.

    Yup. Bort is very PvP-friendly. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Couldn't they have simple weakened the effect on player(s) vs npc enemies, as to not completely make the skill virtually useless?

    I mean they do it with other abilities, why not with this one?
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Couldn't they have simple weakened the effect on player(s) vs npc enemies, as to not completely make the skill virtually useless?

    I mean they do it with other abilities, why not with this one?

    Indeed. They should have simply removed the 'stun' from PvP altogether, and the 'problem' would have been solved. Removing the chase as well was total overkill, and makes the ability as good as useless. Like I said, it's like nerfing all torps to where they just fire 'in the general direction' of a target. That's just silly.
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  • skurfskurf Member Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Get closer to target before you fire it. I know, I'm a genius. You're welcome.
  • architect13architect13 Member Posts: 1,076 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    skurf wrote: »
    Get closer to target before you fire it. I know, I'm a genius. You're welcome.

    It is comments like this that keep me coming back to the forums :rolleyes: If IT had a one or two second Chase, that would be balanced. I will probably just slot OSS II.
    Have you tried the new forum on your phone?
  • skurfskurf Member Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Couldn't they have simple weakened the effect on player(s) vs npc enemies, as to not completely make the skill virtually useless?

    I mean they do it with other abilities, why not with this one?

    Which other abilities do they do it with?
  • architect13architect13 Member Posts: 1,076 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    I know they have done it on occasion on weapons, usually the adjusting the duration of the proc, but I don't know about abilities.
    Have you tried the new forum on your phone?
  • sharxtremesharxtreme Member Posts: 850 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    skurf wrote: »
    Get closer to target before you fire it. I know, I'm a genius. You're welcome.
    While in genius mode you should also tell them that being closer to the enemy maximizes effective damage of weapons.
    GW is nice as well for holding those pesky spheres with magic powers or so i hear. Maybe even Theta or EPW and black hole as a combo.
    But nah, way too many buttons.
  • rodentmasterrodentmaster Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    There's no reason to slot ionic if you have 5 other things that do it better. :rolleyes:

    The skill has been nerfed into uselessness. And I'm not using the term nerf willy-nilly like some do. This wasn't a bug fix, this wasn't a balance, this was an extreme nerf. As others have mentioned in this thread there were many other perfectly valid balancing options available (simply remove the stun, best idea I've read so far), but instead it was turned into foam rubber and nobody with 2 brain cells will use it anymore.
  • kerygankerygan Member Posts: 254 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    There's no reason to slot ionic if you have 5 other things that do it better. :rolleyes:

    The skill has been nerfed into uselessness. And I'm not using the term nerf willy-nilly like some do. This wasn't a bug fix, this wasn't a balance, this was an extreme nerf. As others have mentioned in this thread there were many other perfectly valid balancing options available (simply remove the stun, best idea I've read so far), but instead it was turned into foam rubber and nobody with 2 brain cells will use it anymore.

    prepare for next „bug fixing” sci skills , and anything that disturbs their speed defence , and anything that bypasses shields . Don't worry is for greater good.
  • riccardo171riccardo171 Member Posts: 1,802 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    Yup. Bort is very PvP-friendly. Enjoy it while it lasts.

    Lol dude not even NSA could track down what I write so promptly like this bro does. :D

    Just to quote for epicness from another thread. PvPers > PvErs C.E. PvErs ≠ humble
    wow. anyone complaining about npcs should just uninstall. the day they are 1/10 as hard as dealing with another player is the day pve is worth playing in and of itself
    sharxtreme wrote: »
    LOL magic. EPTE and tachyon beam is considered magic in PvE it seems lol
  • architect13architect13 Member Posts: 1,076 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    There's no reason to slot ionic if you have 5 other things that do it better. :rolleyes:

    The skill has been nerfed into uselessness. And I'm not using the term nerf willy-nilly like some do. This wasn't a bug fix, this wasn't a balance, this was an extreme nerf. As others have mentioned in this thread there were many other perfectly valid balancing options available (simply remove the stun, best idea I've read so far), but instead it was turned into foam rubber and nobody with 2 brain cells will use it anymore.

    Especially when you consider it is a Lt ability.
    Have you tried the new forum on your phone?
  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited February 2015
    Couldn't they have simple weakened the effect on player(s) vs npc enemies, as to not completely make the skill virtually useless?

    I mean they do it with other abilities, why not with this one?


    No they could not do that

    it would require a few extra keystrokes something or another

    just put it beside beam overload in the unused skills pile for PvE , it really wasn't that good anyway
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