ok so i have been playing now for like two years and i am tired of the game. i just saw a email asking if i want a T-6 intrepid. i have three of those all ready can i please get a con. i am tired of the same next gen ships getting recycled. the new ships are cool but what i wanted was a con not a intrepid. i will not play the game till i have the option to buy a T-6 con. you guys want $$$ then get me a ship. till then its cold wallet time.
"Dstahl: Yes. The Ambassador class is coming in 2013. CBS is still pretty adamant about the Old Connie not being an end game ship, but you never know what can happen as time rolls by."
^ even Datshl said you never know what can happen. And I am not even a Datshl fan! I don't know how you took his response to that question, but it does not look like a forever NO to me.
"Dstahl: Yes. The Ambassador class is coming in 2013. CBS is still pretty adamant about the Old Connie not being an end game ship, but you never know what can happen as time rolls by."
^ even Datshl said you never know what can happen. And I am not even a Datshl fan! I don't know how you took his response to that question, but it does not look like a forever NO to me.
There is a big difference between possibility and probability.
Is it possible we will see the Connie at the end game? Yes.
Is it probable? Not likely.
People confuse possible with probable quite often on these forums. But the difference between the two can be particularly large.
What is more likely? That Cryptic has the ability, the precedent, and financial incentive to create the end-game Connie and just plain wants to be jerks about this particular ship, just because?
Or that they have the ability, the precedent, and financial incentive but are being told by the licensor 'No'?
Either Cryptic is greedy and wants to squeeze money out of its playerbase, or they're malicious jerks who torture fanboys and fangirls just for the lulz at the expense of their own financial gain. It can't be both.
It is amazing how many people don't understand this simple concept. Now if the US Navy put Anti-Aircraft guns on Civil War Steamships, then I would support the idea of an endgame Constitution. However, Starfleet is a human-centric organization so human ideals are Starfleet ideals. Look at the car industry, each model has to come out with a new version each year even if there is not much improvement.
It's amazing how you never watched star trek and saw all the old ships that were upgraded and still serving in the fleet.
Except what people don't seem to accept even though it's clearly all plastered through canon, Starfleet loves to build bigger and better ships...most races and factions aren't like this...one of the biggest opposites is the Klingons.
Lets compare from TOS and TMP era ships.
The Feds basically well...the only ships in use throughout TNG, DS9, and VOY were the Miranda and the Excelsior.
But let's look at the Klingons...they never had many ships in canon but half their fleet pretty much was ships based on TOS/TMP ships...more depending on if you want to consider ENT canon. I mean if you consider ENT canon then the BoP is really old.
Starfleet is constantly evolving...I mean the only prominent ship was the Excelsior and that was if they wanted to take the time to upgrade it.
Why can't people understand it's in Starfleets...even humans nature to want to move onto bigger and better things? You don't see us producing old things do you? If we do base something off something old it's generally heavily modified and upgraded.
I thought the Federation was not a Human-run entity? :P
The fact of the matter is still simple. The ships I listed are still there. Endgame status unlike the NX-01. We have ridiculous non-faction ships being flown for the 3 different navies the player can be a part of. And again, we have playable Bioships.
And again, people throw a fit as we see in this thread alone, on the idea of a endgame Connie & Miranda when the ship rosters are as ridiculous as they are?
It's fine for someone to go fly a Bioship, Dominion Warship?
As for the Constitution-class, why not? Even sticking to canon-ships alone, the Constitution-class has been the centerpiece of a series (of course, each show had its "hero ship"). It's also been the centerpiece of more movies than the other canon ships:
Constitutioin-class (Refit): 6 movies
Excelsior-class: 2 movie appearances
Defiant-class: 1 movie appearance
Sovereign-class: 3 movies
Galaxy-class: 1 movie (LOL)
B'Rel Bird of Prey: 5 movie appearances (Eh?)
K'T'Inga-class: 2 movie appearances (More than the Galaxy)
The Constitution-class has been front and center for 1 TV show, 6 movies, all as the feature ship. Like it or not, it has a following. It is the "original" Star Trek hero ship. And for continuity purposes, more recent than than the ships I first mentioned which are all from even BEFORE the Federation even existed. Yet here they are, at endgame.
Playable Constitution & Mirandas (with the Mirandas having even served in the Dominion War) are far less "immersion breaking" than a lot of the stuff that's playable out there.
LMAO Dan Stahl's reply was almost 2 years ago and he specifically says "CBS is still pretty adamant...", which tells you Cryptic had asked on more than one occasion and the answer was no each time.
Look at the more recent information... "There will not be a T5 Connie."
Well smirk said that and given how he sets up his ship tray in the live streams I kind of have a hard time believing anything he says. But in all seriousness, he said it was never going to happen, but gave no details on why not, just a flat no.. Did CBS say no? Did someone at cryptic or PWE say no? Was it too hard to make the ship since for some reason asking them to make us bridges for C-store ships is almost like pulling teeth.
Co-worker just told me as I was discussing this with him that maybe they can make the connie, its just since the game is F2P now that maybe PWE doesn't want to pay some insane licensing fee that CBS is asking for which is why the question has purposely not been revisited. Now this right here is just speculation, but I thought it was note worthy.
I thought the Federation was not a Human-run entity? :P
The fact of the matter is still simple. The ships I listed are still there. Endgame status unlike the NX-01. We have ridiculous non-faction ships being flown for the 3 different navies the player can be a part of. And again, we have playable Bioships.
And again, people throw a fit as we see in this thread alone, on the idea of a endgame Connie & Miranda when the ship rosters are as ridiculous as they are?
It's fine for someone to go fly a Bioship, Dominion Warship?
As for the Constitution-class, why not? Even sticking to canon-ships alone, the Constitution-class has been the centerpiece of a series (of course, each show had its "hero ship"). It's also been the centerpiece of more movies than the other canon ships:
Constitutioin-class (Refit): 6 movies
Excelsior-class: 2 movie appearances
Defiant-class: 1 movie appearance
Sovereign-class: 3 movies
Galaxy-class: 1 movie (LOL)
B'Rel Bird of Prey: 5 movie appearances (Eh?)
K'T'Inga-class: 2 movie appearances (More than the Galaxy)
The Constitution-class has been front and center for 1 TV show, 6 movies, all as the feature ship. Like it or not, it has a following. It is the "original" Star Trek hero ship. And for continuity purposes, more recent than than the ships I first mentioned which are all from even BEFORE the Federation even existed. Yet here they are, at endgame.
Playable Constitution & Mirandas (with the Mirandas having even served in the Dominion War) are far less "immersion breaking" than a lot of the stuff that's playable out there.
All of these are good points, but none of them have anything to do with the reason we don't have a end-game connie.
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Well smirk said that and given how he sets up his ship tray in the live streams I kind of have a hard time believing anything he says. But in all seriousness, he said it was never going to happen, but gave no details on why not, just a flat no.. Did CBS say no? Did someone at cryptic or PWE say no? Was it too hard to make the ship since for some reason asking them to make us bridges for C-store ships is almost like pulling teeth.
Co-worker just told me as I was discussing this with him that maybe they can make the connie, its just since the game is F2P now that maybe PWE doesn't want to pay some insane licensing fee that CBS is asking for which is why the question has purposely not been revisited. Now this right here is just speculation, but I thought it was note worthy.
I did some digging a while back and came to the conclusion that Paramount and not CBS owns the content of the prime universe movies because they own the content of the new movies too. For example, CBS owns Star Trek but they need paramount permission to sell JJ toys.
It could definitely be a part of some studio spat IMO.
Co-worker just told me as I was discussing this with him that maybe they can make the connie, its just since the game is F2P now that maybe PWE doesn't want to pay some insane licensing fee that CBS is asking for which is why the question has purposely not been revisited. Now this right here is just speculation, but I thought it was note worthy.
That's not how it works.
Everything that happens in STO (including Iconians), gets greenlighted by CBS Studios. Whether it's a rubber stamp or a signature, absolutely everything falls under purview of CBS Studios. They are the licensor, Cryptic/PWE is the licensee. If CBS Studios says 'jump', Cryptic's only response is to ask, 'how high?'
CBS Studios gives them a certain degree of autonamy, sure. But they can insert themselves for any reason or no reason at all and say this must be changed.
This is because they own the intellectual property and they don't have to follow any sort of logical reasoning behind why this or why that, anymore than I have to explain to my neighbors why I decided to paint my house blue instead of leaving it red.
I don't care if my house has historical precedent of being red. If I own the house, I can color it whatever color I decide. My neighbors can mail me pictures of my house appearing red in the 1960's and how I'm ruining my house by refusing to keep it red, and how I obviously hate my house by painting it blue.
Their opinion doesn't matter to me, and if I want my house to be blue, hey... it's going to be blue.
Trays aside, Smirk is way, way, way more in the know about the how and why there will never be an endgame Connie than you ever will be. And yes, you have your answer. CBS said no. You just don't want to accept it. Cryptic/PWE wouldn't say no to it. As for why, see above.
The really ugly truth isn't that people at PWE or Cryptic don't play STO. The ugly truth is that they play the game, but most of them aren't very good at it.
For all the errors in the game blamed upon the devs for clearly not playing the game... it's more easily attributed to the fact they're the same bad players that make me groan, and much of their decision making is based on the unfortunate reality a lot of them just suck at the game to begin with.
Watching Smirk play STO on a Livestream makes me want to pull my hair out over all the mistakes he makes and time he wastes, but he is way more in the know about what goes on behind-the-scenes, he's just forced to obey a Non-Disclosure Agreement.
He's not vague and oblivious on the forums because he's naturally that way. He's vague and oblivious because of a Non-Disclosure Agreement.
Trays aside, Smirk is way, way, way more in the know about the how and why there will never be an endgame Connie than you ever will be. And yes, you have your answer. CBS said no. You just don't want to accept it. Cryptic/PWE wouldn't say no to it. As for why, see above.
Then why was Dan's quote still listed in the FCT? If the answer is a definate NO, they would have removed what Dan said as it would have been considered irreverent information. Don't you agree?
So no, I still don't have an answer. Smirk may know more than me, but you don't know any more than me at this point. You are HOPING I'm wrong. Just read back how you word your messages
Wasn't there a guy on the forum who use to bug the CBS guy on twitter, even making a petition on CBS's site...Whatever happened to him? I miss those crazy people on the forums
The really ugly truth isn't that people at PWE or Cryptic don't play STO. The ugly truth is that they play the game, but most of them aren't very good at it.
For all the errors in the game blamed upon the devs for clearly not playing the game... it's more easily attributed to the fact they're the same bad players that make me groan, and much of their decision making is based on the unfortunate reality a lot of them just suck at the game to begin with.
Watching Smirk play STO on a Livestream makes me want to pull my hair out over all the mistakes he makes and time he wastes, but he is way more in the know about what goes on behind-the-scenes, he's just forced to obey a Non-Disclosure Agreement.
He's not vague and oblivious on the forums because he's naturally that way. He's vague and oblivious because of a Non-Disclosure Agreement.
How can anyone not be good at this game? Especially young people like Smirk and Trendy.
Wasn't there a guy on the forum who use to bug the CBS guy on twitter, even making a petition on CBS's site...Whatever happened to him? I miss those crazy people on the forums
We still have crazy people on the forums. However, from what I've seen most of them have moved to Reddit or 4chan with their stupid conspiracy theories and short-sighted attempts to get any productive dialogue underway.
It's actually kind of amusing what they say about me in those other forums.
How can anyone not be good at this game? Especially young people like Smirk and Trendy.
Not just Smirk and Trendy. I mean actual STO Devs from Cryptic. I'm not going to name names, but they know who they are. They're just not very good at this game at all.
Hell, I was throwing heals on Branflakes (I drop his name since he's no longer working for PWE) in some random Crystalline Catastrophe mission because he decided to be Billy Badass and fire at the Crystalline Entity in his andorian escort until my heals were on cooldown and he got murdered by a swarm of shards.
The sad truth is being a really awesome video game designer or developer doesn't necessarily translate to being a really good player.
Wasn't there a guy on the forum who use to bug the CBS guy on twitter, even making a petition on CBS's site...Whatever happened to him? I miss those crazy people on the forums
Wasn't there a guy on the forum who use to bug the CBS guy on twitter, even making a petition on CBS's site...Whatever happened to him? I miss those crazy people on the forums
There was that guy, there was the one who claimed he was the new EP after Dan left the first time, then there was the one who went so far as to photoshop together a tweet from Van Citters. I suppose to make it look like he'd given the OK? I'm not sure what he thought he'd accomplish with that one, thankfully Bran shot it down pretty quick.
Not just Smirk and Trendy. I mean actual STO Devs from Cryptic. I'm not going to name names, but they know who they are. They're just not very good at this game at all.
Hell, I was throwing heals on Branflakes (I drop his name since he's no longer working for PWE) in some random Crystalline Catastrophe mission because he decided to be Billy Badass and fire at the Crystalline Entity in his andorian escort until my heals were on cooldown and he got murdered by a swarm of shards.
The sad truth is being a really awesome video game designer or developer doesn't necessarily translate to being a really good player.
This reminds me a lot of an old fleetmate who had disrputor, phaser, and tet tac consoles while using polaron beam arrays could not understand why he wasnt doing the same amount of damage as the rest of us in an STF. He was dead serious too.
You know what might put an end to these threads? The answer to one simple question:
WHY?
I don't want to hear, "Because CBS says so." I want to hear WHY CBS says so. For what reason? As has been mentioned, they would make money with it, so it's not anything like that. There's already a TON of stuff in this game that breaks immersion and canon, so it's not that. I don't see it interfering with JJTrek, since the setting and the ship are both completely different, so I doubt it's that.
This leaves the question, "WHY?"
If they answer this one question, it might end all these threads.
You are assuming that cryptic are permitted to give that answer or even know it.
I think if you wanted to know why cbs said no, you'd have to ask cbs directly. (and even then I doubt you would get an answer)
Either way though the "why" isn't actually that important. If it's a no because it conflicts with another licencing agreement in regards to the jj'verse, or it's a no because they just plain don't want it, at the end of the day it's still a no.
It's not myfault ifyoufeel trolledbymyDisco ball...Sorry'boutit.
This reminds me a lot of an old fleetmate who had disrputor, phaser, and tet tac consoles while using polaron beam arrays could not understand why he wasnt doing the same amount of damage as the rest of us in an STF. He was dead serious too.
I can say the only person from Cryptic I've knowingly played with who is not bad is JHeinig.
But when I see a lot of... questionable... decisions made with STO, and the response from players is, "Do they even play their own game?" I die a little on the inside because I know the answer is, "Yes, they do. They just aren't very good at it. That's why these decisions are made."
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CBS said "NO!". Stop asking you pathetic losers.
Umm. I did... Im wondering if you did...
"Dstahl: Yes. The Ambassador class is coming in 2013. CBS is still pretty adamant about the Old Connie not being an end game ship, but you never know what can happen as time rolls by."
^ even Datshl said you never know what can happen. And I am not even a Datshl fan! I don't know how you took his response to that question, but it does not look like a forever NO to me.
There is a big difference between possibility and probability.
Is it possible we will see the Connie at the end game? Yes.
Is it probable? Not likely.
People confuse possible with probable quite often on these forums. But the difference between the two can be particularly large.
What is more likely? That Cryptic has the ability, the precedent, and financial incentive to create the end-game Connie and just plain wants to be jerks about this particular ship, just because?
Or that they have the ability, the precedent, and financial incentive but are being told by the licensor 'No'?
Either Cryptic is greedy and wants to squeeze money out of its playerbase, or they're malicious jerks who torture fanboys and fangirls just for the lulz at the expense of their own financial gain. It can't be both.
It's amazing how you never watched star trek and saw all the old ships that were upgraded and still serving in the fleet.
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I thought the Federation was not a Human-run entity? :P
The fact of the matter is still simple. The ships I listed are still there. Endgame status unlike the NX-01. We have ridiculous non-faction ships being flown for the 3 different navies the player can be a part of. And again, we have playable Bioships.
And again, people throw a fit as we see in this thread alone, on the idea of a endgame Connie & Miranda when the ship rosters are as ridiculous as they are?
It's fine for someone to go fly a Bioship, Dominion Warship?
As for the Constitution-class, why not? Even sticking to canon-ships alone, the Constitution-class has been the centerpiece of a series (of course, each show had its "hero ship"). It's also been the centerpiece of more movies than the other canon ships:
Constitutioin-class (Refit): 6 movies
Excelsior-class: 2 movie appearances
Defiant-class: 1 movie appearance
Sovereign-class: 3 movies
Galaxy-class: 1 movie (LOL)
B'Rel Bird of Prey: 5 movie appearances (Eh?)
K'T'Inga-class: 2 movie appearances (More than the Galaxy)
The Constitution-class has been front and center for 1 TV show, 6 movies, all as the feature ship. Like it or not, it has a following. It is the "original" Star Trek hero ship. And for continuity purposes, more recent than than the ships I first mentioned which are all from even BEFORE the Federation even existed. Yet here they are, at endgame.
Playable Constitution & Mirandas (with the Mirandas having even served in the Dominion War) are far less "immersion breaking" than a lot of the stuff that's playable out there.
Well smirk said that and given how he sets up his ship tray in the live streams I kind of have a hard time believing anything he says. But in all seriousness, he said it was never going to happen, but gave no details on why not, just a flat no.. Did CBS say no? Did someone at cryptic or PWE say no? Was it too hard to make the ship since for some reason asking them to make us bridges for C-store ships is almost like pulling teeth.
Co-worker just told me as I was discussing this with him that maybe they can make the connie, its just since the game is F2P now that maybe PWE doesn't want to pay some insane licensing fee that CBS is asking for which is why the question has purposely not been revisited. Now this right here is just speculation, but I thought it was note worthy.
All of these are good points, but none of them have anything to do with the reason we don't have a end-game connie.
R.I.P. Leonard Nimoy
I did some digging a while back and came to the conclusion that Paramount and not CBS owns the content of the prime universe movies because they own the content of the new movies too. For example, CBS owns Star Trek but they need paramount permission to sell JJ toys.
It could definitely be a part of some studio spat IMO.
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That's not how it works.
Everything that happens in STO (including Iconians), gets greenlighted by CBS Studios. Whether it's a rubber stamp or a signature, absolutely everything falls under purview of CBS Studios. They are the licensor, Cryptic/PWE is the licensee. If CBS Studios says 'jump', Cryptic's only response is to ask, 'how high?'
CBS Studios gives them a certain degree of autonamy, sure. But they can insert themselves for any reason or no reason at all and say this must be changed.
This is because they own the intellectual property and they don't have to follow any sort of logical reasoning behind why this or why that, anymore than I have to explain to my neighbors why I decided to paint my house blue instead of leaving it red.
I don't care if my house has historical precedent of being red. If I own the house, I can color it whatever color I decide. My neighbors can mail me pictures of my house appearing red in the 1960's and how I'm ruining my house by refusing to keep it red, and how I obviously hate my house by painting it blue.
Their opinion doesn't matter to me, and if I want my house to be blue, hey... it's going to be blue.
The really ugly truth isn't that people at PWE or Cryptic don't play STO. The ugly truth is that they play the game, but most of them aren't very good at it.
For all the errors in the game blamed upon the devs for clearly not playing the game... it's more easily attributed to the fact they're the same bad players that make me groan, and much of their decision making is based on the unfortunate reality a lot of them just suck at the game to begin with.
Watching Smirk play STO on a Livestream makes me want to pull my hair out over all the mistakes he makes and time he wastes, but he is way more in the know about what goes on behind-the-scenes, he's just forced to obey a Non-Disclosure Agreement.
He's not vague and oblivious on the forums because he's naturally that way. He's vague and oblivious because of a Non-Disclosure Agreement.
Then why was Dan's quote still listed in the FCT? If the answer is a definate NO, they would have removed what Dan said as it would have been considered irreverent information. Don't you agree?
So no, I still don't have an answer. Smirk may know more than me, but you don't know any more than me at this point. You are HOPING I'm wrong. Just read back how you word your messages
How can anyone not be good at this game? Especially young people like Smirk and Trendy.
We still have crazy people on the forums. However, from what I've seen most of them have moved to Reddit or 4chan with their stupid conspiracy theories and short-sighted attempts to get any productive dialogue underway.
It's actually kind of amusing what they say about me in those other forums.
Not just Smirk and Trendy. I mean actual STO Devs from Cryptic. I'm not going to name names, but they know who they are. They're just not very good at this game at all.
Hell, I was throwing heals on Branflakes (I drop his name since he's no longer working for PWE) in some random Crystalline Catastrophe mission because he decided to be Billy Badass and fire at the Crystalline Entity in his andorian escort until my heals were on cooldown and he got murdered by a swarm of shards.
The sad truth is being a really awesome video game designer or developer doesn't necessarily translate to being a really good player.
Well... I'm not that crazy, Im just asking once.
And if my grandma had wheels, she might be a wagon.
There was that guy, there was the one who claimed he was the new EP after Dan left the first time, then there was the one who went so far as to photoshop together a tweet from Van Citters. I suppose to make it look like he'd given the OK? I'm not sure what he thought he'd accomplish with that one, thankfully Bran shot it down pretty quick.
This reminds me a lot of an old fleetmate who had disrputor, phaser, and tet tac consoles while using polaron beam arrays could not understand why he wasnt doing the same amount of damage as the rest of us in an STF. He was dead serious too.
You are assuming that cryptic are permitted to give that answer or even know it.
I think if you wanted to know why cbs said no, you'd have to ask cbs directly. (and even then I doubt you would get an answer)
Either way though the "why" isn't actually that important. If it's a no because it conflicts with another licencing agreement in regards to the jj'verse, or it's a no because they just plain don't want it, at the end of the day it's still a no.
R.I.P. Leonard Nimoy
I can say the only person from Cryptic I've knowingly played with who is not bad is JHeinig.
But when I see a lot of... questionable... decisions made with STO, and the response from players is, "Do they even play their own game?" I die a little on the inside because I know the answer is, "Yes, they do. They just aren't very good at it. That's why these decisions are made."
What? you don't agree and actually said it in a civilized manner instead of trying to throw insults about who knows more than who.
There may be hope for you yet! But to quote the great the Valoreah.... "I won't hold my breath". You said it a page or so back.