Attention, attention. The court is now in session.
The first order of business here, is what are we here to resolve?
Are we here to first resolve that a troll exists?
Are we here to resolve the question of if this is really that big deal that over thirty pages debating this is necessary?
Are we here to resolve if Cryptic will indeed do anything about this?
Are we here to resolve if judges are cross-dressers?
Are we here to resolve who is indeed the troll?
Thank you,
This forum is not a democracy. There are no trials, no judges. PWE holds a legal dictatorship over the players, and they decide who is punished according to their own Terms of Service.
It's unfortunate that people such as jkname are banned for having multiple alts, despite the good deeds he has done in providing services to people in the NoP Public Service channel, and yet the people who harass Esteban and Olivia (ALSO breaking the ToS) are not punished. There is nothing we can do to change that.
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the court rules that heels are perfectly fine, however the ministry of justice nor the courthouse nor the county of cryptic shall be responsible for any injuries of said heels.
This forum is not a democracy. There are no trials, no judges. PWE holds a legal dictatorship over the players, and they decide who is punished according to their own Terms of Service.
It's unfortunate that people such as jkname are banned for having multiple alts, despite the good deeds he has done in providing services to people in the NoP Public Service channel, and yet the people who harass Esteban and Olivia (ALSO breaking the ToS) are not punished. There is nothing we can do to change that.
The court rules that while its authority is self-imposed, the authority of cryptic is higher and thus this trial is merely for entertainment value.
Yes, that was me, however, I already admitted to using that alt previously in this very thread. I said I had an alt @aikookia that I used before, and had forgotten the password. The alt used in FreeofDental was that very same one. Your "smoking gun" here has already been addressed. I hope it didn't take you long to google that.
And, as I said before, the issue isn't necessarily playing as a different gender. Please go through that blog, all of it, and see if I stole/used a REAL PERSON's picture and passed it off as my own likeness. You won't find it, because I never did that. That's the issue I've been discussing the last few pages, and I've been very clear about that this entire time. Maybe you should do more reading and less google image searching.
I appreciate your attempts to "drop the bomb" on this discussion, but it was diffused before you even finished writing that post.
As previously stated, whether or not Olivia's avatar is an accurate representation of xir is not relevant to the discussion. Let me repeat that, so it's utterly clear to you: I don't give a flying ****. S/he is not the one in blatant violation of TOS. You're the one who needs to work on their reading comprehension.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
I said Dental wasn't involved, but I'm not going to drive the point home. As stated before, you guys can believe whatever you want about Dental. You were the one trying to push a claim that I had all these alts running around trolling, maybe something like "the evidence speaks for itself," but I know you don't have any, so I'm not terribly concerned.
If anyone said you did something
your probably 99.9 % guilty of doing it....................................!!!!!
With your reputation you have to prove your innocence
And your reputation is well earned as seen with my own eye's many many times
Only a Dev/moderator or complete Noob would believe anything you or a member of your fleet says or claims
You worked for years to Earn your Rep..... man up and live it !!!
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
As previously stated, whether or not Olivia's avatar is an accurate representation of xir is not relevant to the discussion. Let me repeat that, so it's utterly clear to you: I don't give a flying ****. S/he is not the one in blatant violation of TOS. You're the one who needs to work on their reading comprehension.
Okay, since he's doing questionable actions but still legal... and the troll is violating the TOS big time, why has the troll still been allowed to operate?
Okay, since he's doing questionable actions but still legal... and the troll is violating the TOS big time, why has the troll still been allowed to operate?
Based on prior performance, the GMs in this game are lazy and/or incompetent and are not doing their jobs of policing the in-game playerbase.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
I was mildly interesting and even amused, until the reveal of sitting through an erotic RP session. :eek:
Best of luck with your campaign though, you seem very dedicated and I say this because you have more posts than I do and way more backers on the forums and in game.
No, that became part of the discussion when Olivia tried to appropriate this false female identity in order to align this whole thing with Gamergate. This happened, in this very thread, and that is the reason why this thread has carried on for as long as it has. Olivia's "Trollgate" and his misguided attempts at associating it with Gamergate, a collection of vicious, real-life threats on women gamers/women in the gaming industry, is banking on this image created by Olivia, which was in turn ripped from some unsuspecting person with a facebook profile.
It seems you've skipped over most of the thread. If you want to talk TOS violations, I have screenshots I could drag into this conversation, but I would prefer to do that in-game only; not on the forums. This whole thread is a giant TOS violation, as it was created for the purpose of naming and shaming. It has been repeated that Smirk and other mods cannot do anything in-game, and naming and shaming players is clearly against TOS, so while the OP wisely searched for real, practical advice on how to get rid of the spam, Olivia jumped in here and attempted to create some crusade (trollgate), seeking attention for himself.
It's not just Dentals contributing to this backlash, by the way.
Blah, blah, blah. You're still not getting it: I don't care. Olivia is not the one at fault here. That fault lies solely with the griefer who started this mess. Olivia is only relevant because her fleet has been directly targeted. I don't give a damn what scandalgate she decided to associate this with.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Blah, blah, blah. You're still not getting it: I don't care. Olivia is not the one at fault here. That fault lies solely with the griefer who started this mess. Olivia is only relevant because her fleet has been directly targeted. I don't give a damn what scandalgate she decided to associate this with.
I agree. I don't know Olivia, and I don't really care about her one way or another. But this troll is annoying for everyone.
Unfortunately, the customer support of STO is non-existent. As proven by a certain fleet that shouldn't be named over and over, you can troll all you want ingame, nothing will happen. You can hijack private channel, harass players, violate the TOS all you like. The only way to get banned is to attack directly a dev. Name your character "Geko" and enjoy your 3days ban, but make your character look like Hitler, and nothing will happen.
This is so good. I even read on the NoP channel and in zone chat that Olivia was "kicked" from there for being a lightning rod of drama, but if you go in game and read Olivia/Alts and Esteban/Alts chatter in the NoP channels to this day, or just have a look here http://stolivia.com/in-game-channels/ you will see fully still participating members of this gimmick. :cool:
I love it, and that this thread is still going on with trolls flaunting their diplomatic immunity, just goes to show ya, Cryptic cares.
Nabreeki dude, simply have fun and play a game, any game, and give the split personalities a rest. You'll thank me for the suggestion one day
No I don't. I enjoy watching people think up outlandish conspiracy theories surrounding me and my fleet. It adds a little mystery, a little drama to this game. Please keep doing it. If I'm not secretly pulling the strings behind the NWO, secretly responsible for chem-trails and crop circles by the end of this year, I admit I'll be slightly disappointed.
you forget I know you and have known you for 3 years and your fleet
you and your fleet are no mystery even if you wish to assume that mantle to any Noobs in the forums
The only people you can Fool into thinking your a postitve influence to this forum or the game is a Fool
If anyone calls you a troll or a member of your fleet your already 99% guilty !
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
I was mildly interesting and even amused, until the reveal of sitting through an erotic RP session. :eek:
Best of luck with your campaign though, you seem very dedicated and I say this because you have more posts than I do and way more backers on the forums and in game.
There was on at starfleet command, it went on til I brought my Santa toon and stood between them. They were quite annoyed.
do people not grasp the concept that if you give items to a person (especially if u think it is a female so you can get her to give you attention) you are are already the one to blame for any mistakes?
There was on at starfleet command, it went on til I brought my Santa toon and stood between them. They were quite annoyed.
I don't totally follow this, so ppl were roleplaying and you trolled them? lol
I think maybe I was wondering if the erotic roleplay was private or on a bridge and not in public, because public is way more funny but taking it to a private place is very creepypasta
Yeah man, you don't care all that much, everyone can tell this by how many replies you have in the thread and forums saying you do not care.
I think the new dental mantra may soon change to "All hail our dear TOS enforcer" because everyone knows how you and your goon buddies simply want to play star trek online in support of how the designers and current Cryptic employees envision it.
Nobody is buying what you are selling, no matter how many alts say otherwise.
Well that's strange, because I don't really care all that much about the "griefer." Spamming bridge invites isn't a "mess," it's a mild annoyance. The players created this mess by blowing it out of proportion, much like they do with snowballs, disco balls, party poppers, and everything else that might come off as mildly annoying. Olivia does have fault here by trying to turn this into an "issue." If you all would have just ignored the guy, it would have probably wound down by now. I'm sure he is aware of this thread, and these posts are simply strengthening his resolve.
Doesn't change the fact that, well, the naming and shaming, the posting of his @name in this thread is also a TOS violation, but I guess it's not a big deal if WE violate the TOS; we just don't want others to do so as well.
Hmmmm.
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Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
do people not grasp the concept that if you give items to a person (especially if u think it is a female so you can get her to give you attention) you are are already the one to blame for any mistakes?
Welcome to the blatantly obvious.
So you either don't realize that this entire thing is a dental nerd of prey gimmick to be chuckled about on reddit channels, or you are part of it.
Either way it's sad, and not even original. The only thing missing here is a certain person owning up to it, but it's no secret that a certain someone here in this thread (who won't be named since the @name is such a nasty terrible violation) knows more than they let on to, and enjoys the dramatics.
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It's unfortunate that people such as jkname are banned for having multiple alts, despite the good deeds he has done in providing services to people in the NoP Public Service channel, and yet the people who harass Esteban and Olivia (ALSO breaking the ToS) are not punished. There is nothing we can do to change that.
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the court rules that heels are perfectly fine, however the ministry of justice nor the courthouse nor the county of cryptic shall be responsible for any injuries of said heels.
The court rules that while its authority is self-imposed, the authority of cryptic is higher and thus this trial is merely for entertainment value.
After all, Janeway did not prove Ramius was guilty before going on the warpath to kill him.
http://freeofdental.blogspot.com/
As previously stated, whether or not Olivia's avatar is an accurate representation of xir is not relevant to the discussion. Let me repeat that, so it's utterly clear to you: I don't give a flying ****. S/he is not the one in blatant violation of TOS. You're the one who needs to work on their reading comprehension.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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If anyone said you did something
your probably 99.9 % guilty of doing it....................................!!!!!
With your reputation you have to prove your innocence
And your reputation is well earned as seen with my own eye's many many times
Only a Dev/moderator or complete Noob would believe anything you or a member of your fleet says or claims
You worked for years to Earn your Rep..... man up and live it !!!
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Okay, since he's doing questionable actions but still legal... and the troll is violating the TOS big time, why has the troll still been allowed to operate?
Based on prior performance, the GMs in this game are lazy and/or incompetent and are not doing their jobs of policing the in-game playerbase.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
That's actually a good question. Are the GMs lazy or incompetent?
I was mildly interesting and even amused, until the reveal of sitting through an erotic RP session. :eek:
Best of luck with your campaign though, you seem very dedicated and I say this because you have more posts than I do and way more backers on the forums and in game.
Blah, blah, blah. You're still not getting it: I don't care. Olivia is not the one at fault here. That fault lies solely with the griefer who started this mess. Olivia is only relevant because her fleet has been directly targeted. I don't give a damn what scandalgate she decided to associate this with.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
Unfortunately, the customer support of STO is non-existent. As proven by a certain fleet that shouldn't be named over and over, you can troll all you want ingame, nothing will happen. You can hijack private channel, harass players, violate the TOS all you like. The only way to get banned is to attack directly a dev. Name your character "Geko" and enjoy your 3days ban, but make your character look like Hitler, and nothing will happen.
I love it, and that this thread is still going on with trolls flaunting their diplomatic immunity, just goes to show ya, Cryptic cares.
Nabreeki dude, simply have fun and play a game, any game, and give the split personalities a rest. You'll thank me for the suggestion one day
you forget I know you and have known you for 3 years and your fleet
you and your fleet are no mystery even if you wish to assume that mantle to any Noobs in the forums
The only people you can Fool into thinking your a postitve influence to this forum or the game is a Fool
If anyone calls you a troll or a member of your fleet your already 99% guilty !
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
There was on at starfleet command, it went on til I brought my Santa toon and stood between them. They were quite annoyed.
I don't totally follow this, so ppl were roleplaying and you trolled them? lol
I think maybe I was wondering if the erotic roleplay was private or on a bridge and not in public, because public is way more funny but taking it to a private place is very creepypasta
I think the new dental mantra may soon change to "All hail our dear TOS enforcer" because everyone knows how you and your goon buddies simply want to play star trek online in support of how the designers and current Cryptic employees envision it.
Nobody is buying what you are selling, no matter how many alts say otherwise.
Disco balls NeRfEd by player input...................subspace party nullifier available at you local ferengi seller cost 100 latinum
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
#trollgate #gamergate
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Welcome to the blatantly obvious.
So you either don't realize that this entire thing is a dental nerd of prey gimmick to be chuckled about on reddit channels, or you are part of it.
Either way it's sad, and not even original. The only thing missing here is a certain person owning up to it, but it's no secret that a certain someone here in this thread (who won't be named since the @name is such a nasty terrible violation) knows more than they let on to, and enjoys the dramatics.