Then I guess you guys are referring to something else then, because the DPS channels are called DPS-Public, DPS-10,000, DPS-20000, DPS-30000, DPS-50,000, and DPS-PRIME.
I also just noticed that they're randomly missing/adding commas for the thousands separator. Make up your dang minds! :P
How is "DPS-10000" or "DPS-20000" condescending or not objective?
It's a simple statement of objective fact. Do 20,000 DPS in ISA and get invited to DPS-20000.
Exactly. Think about scuba diving as a comparison. Gear rated for 20 feet, 33 feet, 66 feet, or over 130 feet doesn't mean one is *better* than another. Trying to use a helium mix (for over 90 feet) or godmhelp you, oxygenated water, if you're just diving to 30 feet along the top of a reef or pinnacle is silly, wasteful and expensive. Wearing a heated drysuit in hot water is uncomfortable and potentially dangerous.
Just because I personally only dive 90feet and above doesn't mean someone else is an elitist for having discussions about the challenges and gear used at greater depth.
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Basically you install it. Then go into advanced settings and choose the option "Use DPS channel settings".
Before you start a queue you type "/combatlog 1", when the queue is over you type: "/combatlog 0"
That's it.
Thanks, I've heard it's easier to use, but I can't figure out how to install this. 6 jpegs, a gif, a png, Combat Log folder, and a META-INF folder. I'm at an installation dead end. This is what I mean by something being too technical for the average player, I have no idea if there's an .exe buried in there somewhere or not (haven't found one yet) or if I'm supposed to install it some other way, or just leave it as-is.
Your reading comprehension is a fail it seems as well. It said you failed at NOT being a jerk.
I personally could care less that your a jackass. In fact I'm probably a bigger one then you are. However if you EVER want to shed the your all elitist jerks image, you need to stop. If you don't care, then STOP ******** when people call you out on it. That is your choices. You can't be a jerk and get butt hurt when others call you a jerk.
And word have MEANING. Words are IMPORTANT. There is a damn good reason why you should not walk up to a black person and use the N word...or do you think they should "grow a set" as well? Don't be an TRIBBLE if your don't wanna be called one.
It's YOU'RE not your -- tsk, tsk, tsk. And I'm not offended or upset; I'm simply laughing how easily I can get under YOUR (see what I did there) skin.
But, alas, words are just words. Words are important in only that you use them to be accurate. But I don't understand how walking up to a african-american and calling them "N"ice is bad or offensive--well maybe if they are trying to portray themselves as a thug, then I could see that calling them Nice would be quite troublesome. Wait a minute, you mean the other N-word. Jesus dude, are you that big of a racist that you have to trot out clearly offensive language to make a point. Go check yourself and immediately seek some sensitivity training. We definitely do NOT want blatant RACISTS such as yourself in the channels. It is amazing that your mind went there so quickly. Sickening really.
So you are trying to argue that dps-10,000 is offensive. This is brand new to me. You see, I find "The Trading Channel" quite offensive. Well, because trading rarely happens--it is more of a out of game exchange. All you see is WTB and WTS -- no so many WTT
I get your frustration to a point, but you're going to have to accept that the queues are open to everyone, not just mid or high DPSers. If anyone wants a rep set, they're going to have to try to do Advanced queues for the BNPs/APCs/VCIs. There's no way around it, unless you're insinuating they should try to get them out of a rep box reward? I've been trying that with the Voth ones, I have just 3 after this long. The reality is there are going to be a lot of people hgiher DPSers consider to be sub-par trying to get what they need, whether they like it or not.
There is a private queue option specifically for people who want a no-angst run done their way. I'm pretty surprised it's not used by more folks in the high end, honestly.
Now, the chat issue. I've run across many people who don't answer the team chat, and I'm pretty sure I've done it myself. I have a habit of closing down the chat box and completely forgetting about it in social zones when I get tired of some of the chatter going on. I assume most people who don't answer have done the same. I don't complain to/about them because A.) I have no idea what's going on on their end, and B.) It would make me a hypocrite, considering -- like I said -- I'm guilty of the exact same thing.
I've been screeched at in queues before when I do have chat open. Yep, I see what you wrote there. But not all of us can type & work the keybinds in combat at the same time. That's a reality a lot of "overly verbal", to put it politely, players need to understand. You'll get a reply out of me when I have a just enough of a break in combat. I can't do both, simple as that.
Finally, and frankly, I have zero idea what my DPS is or how to easily find out. I've been playing this game for several years, and don't know my DPS. Sue me, I guess. You know what people ranting on about DPS numbers sounds like to me? A foreign language. In the simplest of parallels, it's like being yelled for not speaking Chinese in a situation where it's handy, but not necessary to know. I get what DPS is, sure, but how to boost it other than with better consoles/weapons, or find out what I'm even pulling in damage is beyond me. That software log hack or whatever it is, I've tried, and can't figure that out at all. If it's that complex to the average player, then it's a bit more technical than it needs to be for the average player, and thus, isn't really a necessity to know. That's my take, anyway. I'll not stop aiming for better weapons and consoles, though. I'm just not going to make my damage output a high priority beyond what it is already.
to clarify:
We are not frustrated over how we perform in private Queues, (see the ISA 2 min video).
We are also very aware of what our ships can and can not do in which circumstances, therefore we dont take the glasscannon into Random Queues. Therefore we mostly run private Queues organizing over the channels.
I dont really care if people answer or not, if they perform to a standart degree. If the mission is over, and I explicitly thank everyone for the game or offer some advice, some response could be due. But its really that rare that I am not really bothered. Was just a random fun-fact.
As Sarcasm said, you dont need any special gear to get to 10k. I used 200k EC on my KDF, no reputation etc, and got 20k out of it on ISE.
For explanation on how and why, see the 5 hr youtube in depth, or any of Sarcasm's guides on the DPS matter, for german readers there is Hellspawnys version of things.
I personally, do not care how good or bad you play. If you are satisfied with where you are at, I am perfectly alright with that. But please understand, that i expect the same amount of tolerance from others too. Just because we decide to push the meters and blow up the mission in 2 minutes is not sufficient reason to call us idiots or a destructive force. If someone truly believes that, i can only assume its his projection and some inferiority complexe with which we had nothing to do.
The whole post is about expressing our personal preference of trying to become better at the game. If you dont like that, no one is forcing you to join
We don't force anyone to play the way we do.
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This game is an Arms-race by definition, timers on mission fail if you don't deal X amounts of DPS within the timelimit, sure it has been kinda low so far but the hp-scaling further enforced that point. You were taught over 4 years that being in the mission is enough to be rewarded, and they are breaking that mindset now. Sure its painful for everyone who was satisfied with how nice their ship looks. We just optimized on getting the job done. Can this all be done very slowly, in an inefficient way that you personally find satisfying? Probably, but why should we be forced to cater to the lowest denominator? Winning the STF is basically a foregone conclusion for us, we want to optimize within the completion of the STF. When we win ISA in 2 minutes 6 seconds, that gives another group a competitive reason to continue playing this game. To see if they can beat us on the time record.
I like to compare PvE to Golf.
On the course you fight yourself. Strive for perfection, wouldn't under par be awesome? When its done, you compare numbers.
Getting the first kill on a difficult mission is a race. Holding the speed record on a mission is a race. Holding the damage record on a mission is a race.
While on the course we enjoy good competition, when its done though, we sit down with the other competitors and drink coffe/earl grey depending on preference and reflect how we liked it.
We understand that this is highly elitist and dont force anyone to participate in it, but you have to understand that the mindset of competitive gameplay has helped us really improve on all the challenges presented, to a degree, that most people don't even understand what we are doing.
Man, if I join a PUG with other players that shovel out high DPS, that just makes the session shorter for me I just hope not to embarrass myself in front of them
Thanks, I've heard it's easier to use, but I can't figure out how to install this. 6 jpegs, a gif, a png, Combat Log folder, and a META-INF folder. I'm at an installation dead end. This is what I mean by something being too technical for the average player, I have no idea if there's an .exe buried in there somewhere or not (haven't found one yet) or if I'm supposed to install it some other way, or just leave it as-is.
If anyone wants a rep set, they're going to have to try to do Advanced queues for the BNPs/APCs/VCIs. There's no way around it, unless you're insinuating they should try to get them out of a rep box reward? I've been trying that with the Voth ones, I have just 3 after this long.
Uh, you only need Advanced queues for BNPs/APCs.
You really shouldn't be doing queues for VCIs.
I have a character who literally just entered the Dyson sphere yesterday. Following the tutorial chain of missions that makes you tour the sphere and contested zone brought me to the ground BZ, where I fought the dinosaur. Only two other players around - my BOffs died a total of 5 times - but we beat it.
She has 5 VCIs, and she's still on Tier 0 of the Dyson rep.
I've long been curious about how much damage I actually do and suspect it's a lot higher than I thought. However reading these instructions about how to install that combat log thing is above my computer ability. I would say I have zero percent chance of making it work.
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
I've long been curious about how much damage I actually do and suspect it's a lot higher than I thought. However reading these instructions about how to install that combat log thing is above my computer ability. I would say I have zero percent chance of making it work.
Find me in game I will help you set it up properly. It really is as easy as putting the file into a directory and then pathing to your combatlog. It seems intimidating at first, but it really, really isn't.
Now you will need at least 9k-10k DPS. This isn't an insurmountable goal. It can be done by any career of captain fresh to level 50 in any T5 ship with mk XI blue/green gear.
yep, I scored 12k in a pug yesterday in a Mega Well vesta in ISA. I have almost all blue mk XI gear and all this build does is pull all the spheres on the map into one large GW so pugs can all shoot the same targets.
ALSO:
@ sarcasmdetector and ezriryan, awesome posts and great info
I've long been curious about how much damage I actually do and suspect it's a lot higher than I thought. However reading these instructions about how to install that combat log thing is above my computer ability. I would say I have zero percent chance of making it work.
Sometimes people you pug with will post their log of the team numbers. Hopefully they don't add any Douchy comments about it when they do.
Why would you bother commenting on Ryan's post if you didn't even read what he typed out?
I read it its refers to players as scrubs and talks about channels etc... and unless he is quoting someone else and did not put the name near on it. Seemed pretty clear to me he thought of people who were in pick up groups as somehow lesser and then referred to 'carrying' them and referred to them as 'scrubs'.
I am not a scrub I am a player who simply prefers the randomness of pick up groups because once you learn the instances about all there is left to make them challenging is dealing with various playstyles and builds.
Oddly 2 of my guys would be in your top dps channel if i chose to join something like that but to be honest if i want to play like that fine but if you want to teach people leave it out of the posts it only serves to widen the divide.
leave out the words like scrub and "try harder" as the name of a channel and just deliver the information post videos and dont try to "carry" anyone. I do not want to play with people who join pugs just to "carry" the group. Please dont pug if your purpose to pug is to "carry" people and stuff.
I've long been curious about how much damage I actually do and suspect it's a lot higher than I thought. However reading these instructions about how to install that combat log thing is above my computer ability. I would say I have zero percent chance of making it work.
You do enough varied instances and eventually there's 1 person in each group sometimes that will give out a parse. You'll see how you did. See those results enough over a period of time in varied situations, then you have a clearer idea of where you sit.
Realize also that some builds dominate in a situation than others. For example, during the Tau Dewa Patrol heyday, I grouped up and the talk was about one of the guys in a Wells doing something like 39k in Beta Thoridor. In short, it was due to the very target rich mission that the patrols were. Grav Well, Dyson Grav Torp, TS3, TBR, Particle Manipulator, etc with Particle Gen Skills. As a science oriented player I know how it works. The more NPCs there are, the better when each one starts blowing up, it starts a chain reaction, and you help them along with more abilities. But I also know that in an environment with fewer or single targets, the DPS capability of such a build drops tremendously.
So much effort some put in being enemies. Why not just put effort in being friends and friendlyness. Also the dps-channels are an oppurtunity to do so and contribute to extra ingame fun. Unless trolling is your hobby.
PS: Doing DPS is just one of the many play styles. I like it a lot. In my opinion every one can play the play style they like and hopefully find others to play with. I have found many pleasent hours playing with and meeting people in the DPS-Channels.
The people who create these DPS-Channels and maintain them and so on, do a lot for people of the STO community. Several thousend people make use of those chanels. I have read the responses of people who bash arround in this topic. But I am more interested in what you have done for the STO community instead of reading trough all that bashing.
You do enough varied instances and eventually there's 1 person in each group sometimes that will give out a parse. You'll see how you did. See those results enough over a period of time in varied situations, then you have a clearer idea of where you sit.
Realize also that some builds dominate in a situation than others. For example, during the Tau Dewa Patrol heyday, I grouped up and the talk was about one of the guys in a Wells doing something like 39k in Beta Thoridor. In short, it was due to the very target rich mission that the patrols were. Grav Well, Dyson Grav Torp, TS3, TBR, Particle Manipulator, etc with Particle Gen Skills. As a science oriented player I know how it works. The more NPCs there are, the better when each one starts blowing up, it starts a chain reaction, and you help them along with more abilities. But I also know that in an environment with fewer or single targets, the DPS capability of such a build drops tremendously.
That's interesting. My first character has very potent abilities like these but I always assumed you didn't get credit for any of the ancillary damage.
I will open the chat window and see if anyone posts in the future. I admit that I leave it closed 99% of the time.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
I have no choice if I want to play and not punch the monitor in frustration because I failed to properly rotate from one generator to the next and no one can throw a grav well, the dps channels are the way to go. The changes cryptic implemented made pugs not an option for me. Too frustrating.
So I got my 10k and 20k invites do I just send out a request for a queue?
The thing that you seem to be overlooking is that to some people, well, this is just a game, to relax to, to have a bit of fun, not to stress themselves into an early grave learning how to be up to others standards nor to try to be the best of the best.
Before DR I got my build to 12-18k without much real effort on my fed, but, I could do what I needed to do without dying very often so I feel, well I don't need to break records, I just want to play the game with friends and do some missions and most importantly, have fun.
I've met some of you ingame in some PVEs and you've been nothing but helpful, trying to make things easier and smoother for all, you've taken time out to help people. But in the forum recently, some of your posts have been very elitist in the worst of ways.
How is "DPS-10000" or "DPS-20000" condescending or not objective?
It's a simple statement of objective fact. Do 20,000 DPS in ISA and get invited to DPS-20000.
I see so adding a commentary to the channel is objective and not insulting or belittling?
you want to help people great but try being a little less judgemental
segregation (worste word one could choose)
"scub" - is a derogative term and everyone knows it
"carry" the group - excuse me dont join any groups to carry anyone ..
now lets look at this little so called objective bit.. the channel names and how you word it all
"its depressing"
public dps is anything below 10k i guess well i am a public dps and I can do stuff in your *cough* "decent" and "try hard" channels .. just silly..
you also imply because a player is new buy using phrases like "half ways trying" for 10k dps that he is not trying.. which is condescending and insulting. You have no idea why he is doing that dps ..
so remove the judgements and really bad wording and just post info maybe you will get a much more positive response but as someone who has characters across the gammit of dps low to high I can tell you right now
i am no scrub. I dont need to "try harder" and I do not want people in my groups who join to "carry" me.. thank you very much.. go play privately ...
that would be great stay out of the public q's which will contain all kinds of PEOPLE nice players who are by no means scrubs or not trying..
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Then I guess you guys are referring to something else then, because the DPS channels are called DPS-Public, DPS-10,000, DPS-20000, DPS-30000, DPS-50,000, and DPS-PRIME.
I also just noticed that they're randomly missing/adding commas for the thousands separator. Make up your dang minds! :P
Exactly. Think about scuba diving as a comparison. Gear rated for 20 feet, 33 feet, 66 feet, or over 130 feet doesn't mean one is *better* than another. Trying to use a helium mix (for over 90 feet) or godmhelp you, oxygenated water, if you're just diving to 30 feet along the top of a reef or pinnacle is silly, wasteful and expensive. Wearing a heated drysuit in hot water is uncomfortable and potentially dangerous.
Just because I personally only dive 90feet and above doesn't mean someone else is an elitist for having discussions about the challenges and gear used at greater depth.
Enlighten us.
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o' realy?
Are you sure?
Really sure?
http://i.imgur.com/kTRthms.jpg
negating evidence, how funny
we've broken all our bonds, but life kept going on, what a time, what a time it was..." - Clem Tholet
Thanks, I've heard it's easier to use, but I can't figure out how to install this. 6 jpegs, a gif, a png, Combat Log folder, and a META-INF folder. I'm at an installation dead end. This is what I mean by something being too technical for the average player, I have no idea if there's an .exe buried in there somewhere or not (haven't found one yet) or if I'm supposed to install it some other way, or just leave it as-is.
It's YOU'RE not your -- tsk, tsk, tsk. And I'm not offended or upset; I'm simply laughing how easily I can get under YOUR (see what I did there) skin.
But, alas, words are just words. Words are important in only that you use them to be accurate. But I don't understand how walking up to a african-american and calling them "N"ice is bad or offensive--well maybe if they are trying to portray themselves as a thug, then I could see that calling them Nice would be quite troublesome. Wait a minute, you mean the other N-word. Jesus dude, are you that big of a racist that you have to trot out clearly offensive language to make a point. Go check yourself and immediately seek some sensitivity training. We definitely do NOT want blatant RACISTS such as yourself in the channels. It is amazing that your mind went there so quickly. Sickening really.
So you are trying to argue that dps-10,000 is offensive. This is brand new to me. You see, I find "The Trading Channel" quite offensive. Well, because trading rarely happens--it is more of a out of game exchange. All you see is WTB and WTS -- no so many WTT
But I digress.
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to clarify:
We are not frustrated over how we perform in private Queues, (see the ISA 2 min video).
We are also very aware of what our ships can and can not do in which circumstances, therefore we dont take the glasscannon into Random Queues. Therefore we mostly run private Queues organizing over the channels.
I dont really care if people answer or not, if they perform to a standart degree. If the mission is over, and I explicitly thank everyone for the game or offer some advice, some response could be due. But its really that rare that I am not really bothered. Was just a random fun-fact.
As Sarcasm said, you dont need any special gear to get to 10k. I used 200k EC on my KDF, no reputation etc, and got 20k out of it on ISE.
For explanation on how and why, see the 5 hr youtube in depth, or any of Sarcasm's guides on the DPS matter, for german readers there is Hellspawnys version of things.
I personally, do not care how good or bad you play. If you are satisfied with where you are at, I am perfectly alright with that. But please understand, that i expect the same amount of tolerance from others too. Just because we decide to push the meters and blow up the mission in 2 minutes is not sufficient reason to call us idiots or a destructive force. If someone truly believes that, i can only assume its his projection and some inferiority complexe with which we had nothing to do.
The whole post is about expressing our personal preference of trying to become better at the game. If you dont like that, no one is forcing you to join
Try this post: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=20298491&postcount=43
Uh, you only need Advanced queues for BNPs/APCs.
You really shouldn't be doing queues for VCIs.
I have a character who literally just entered the Dyson sphere yesterday. Following the tutorial chain of missions that makes you tour the sphere and contested zone brought me to the ground BZ, where I fought the dinosaur. Only two other players around - my BOffs died a total of 5 times - but we beat it.
She has 5 VCIs, and she's still on Tier 0 of the Dyson rep.
Well, we all need ditch diggers too. So go be the best ditch digger you can!!!! I'm pulling for ya.
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE7BFw1qu58
Find me in game I will help you set it up properly. It really is as easy as putting the file into a directory and then pathing to your combatlog. It seems intimidating at first, but it really, really isn't.
Find me in-game: @porchsong
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yep, I scored 12k in a pug yesterday in a Mega Well vesta in ISA. I have almost all blue mk XI gear and all this build does is pull all the spheres on the map into one large GW so pugs can all shoot the same targets.
ALSO:
@ sarcasmdetector and ezriryan, awesome posts and great info
@ porchsong and giotariz....you're not helping...
Sometimes people you pug with will post their log of the team numbers. Hopefully they don't add any Douchy comments about it when they do.
For a good laugh about the topic, check this comic:
http://www.darklegacycomics.com/447
I read it its refers to players as scrubs and talks about channels etc... and unless he is quoting someone else and did not put the name near on it. Seemed pretty clear to me he thought of people who were in pick up groups as somehow lesser and then referred to 'carrying' them and referred to them as 'scrubs'.
I am not a scrub I am a player who simply prefers the randomness of pick up groups because once you learn the instances about all there is left to make them challenging is dealing with various playstyles and builds.
Oddly 2 of my guys would be in your top dps channel if i chose to join something like that but to be honest if i want to play like that fine but if you want to teach people leave it out of the posts it only serves to widen the divide.
leave out the words like scrub and "try harder" as the name of a channel and just deliver the information post videos and dont try to "carry" anyone. I do not want to play with people who join pugs just to "carry" the group. Please dont pug if your purpose to pug is to "carry" people and stuff.
You do enough varied instances and eventually there's 1 person in each group sometimes that will give out a parse. You'll see how you did. See those results enough over a period of time in varied situations, then you have a clearer idea of where you sit.
Realize also that some builds dominate in a situation than others. For example, during the Tau Dewa Patrol heyday, I grouped up and the talk was about one of the guys in a Wells doing something like 39k in Beta Thoridor. In short, it was due to the very target rich mission that the patrols were. Grav Well, Dyson Grav Torp, TS3, TBR, Particle Manipulator, etc with Particle Gen Skills. As a science oriented player I know how it works. The more NPCs there are, the better when each one starts blowing up, it starts a chain reaction, and you help them along with more abilities. But I also know that in an environment with fewer or single targets, the DPS capability of such a build drops tremendously.
PS: Doing DPS is just one of the many play styles. I like it a lot. In my opinion every one can play the play style they like and hopefully find others to play with. I have found many pleasent hours playing with and meeting people in the DPS-Channels.
The people who create these DPS-Channels and maintain them and so on, do a lot for people of the STO community. Several thousend people make use of those chanels. I have read the responses of people who bash arround in this topic. But I am more interested in what you have done for the STO community instead of reading trough all that bashing.
That's interesting. My first character has very potent abilities like these but I always assumed you didn't get credit for any of the ancillary damage.
I will open the chat window and see if anyone posts in the future. I admit that I leave it closed 99% of the time.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
I want to thank you with this kawai video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZGJOcZ9LnQ
And no, you're right, 30k isnt a lot, because we are okay with people having different playstyles.
While we are the one's who, according to the "playstyler's" should excuse ourselves for our elitist attitude that ruins the game for everyone.
So I got my 10k and 20k invites do I just send out a request for a queue?
See, this is why he said you didn't read it.
That section literally begins with "Let me actually quote a book:", and ends with "David Sirlin, Playing to win" followed by a link: http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win
I don't know what channels you're on, but it doesn't appear to be any of the ones we're on.
Before DR I got my build to 12-18k without much real effort on my fed, but, I could do what I needed to do without dying very often so I feel, well I don't need to break records, I just want to play the game with friends and do some missions and most importantly, have fun.
I've met some of you ingame in some PVEs and you've been nothing but helpful, trying to make things easier and smoother for all, you've taken time out to help people. But in the forum recently, some of your posts have been very elitist in the worst of ways.
I see so adding a commentary to the channel is objective and not insulting or belittling?
you want to help people great but try being a little less judgemental
segregation (worste word one could choose)
"scub" - is a derogative term and everyone knows it
"carry" the group - excuse me dont join any groups to carry anyone ..
now lets look at this little so called objective bit.. the channel names and how you word it all
"its depressing"
public dps is anything below 10k i guess well i am a public dps and I can do stuff in your *cough* "decent" and "try hard" channels .. just silly..
you also imply because a player is new buy using phrases like "half ways trying" for 10k dps that he is not trying.. which is condescending and insulting. You have no idea why he is doing that dps ..
so remove the judgements and really bad wording and just post info maybe you will get a much more positive response but as someone who has characters across the gammit of dps low to high I can tell you right now
i am no scrub. I dont need to "try harder" and I do not want people in my groups who join to "carry" me.. thank you very much.. go play privately ...
that would be great stay out of the public q's which will contain all kinds of PEOPLE nice players who are by no means scrubs or not trying..