Possibly to avoid detection, for the chance of observation to gain technical data on their adversary, who knows!
Also the basic fact that not being seen is useful to the business of not being destroyed.
You can't always rely on superior firepower or defenses. Sometimes its better to deploy the shrubbery (its simply a new tactical option for the FED that hasn't been historically available because of reasons.)
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Will they be expanding the total number of BOFF slots we can have now? Some of my toons are at max, and I really don't want to get rid of Boff's to use these new ones.
I sincerely doubt they will expand past the current maximum of 54 Boffs.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I'm interested in the new operations pack. Will these upgrade tokens be movable between toons using the account bank? Unbound in other words. I want to upgrade both fed and KDF ships.
I'm interested in the new operations pack. Will these upgrade tokens be movable between toons using the account bank? Unbound in other words. I want to upgrade both fed and KDF ships.
Don't know for sure but I'd say probably..
I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
I sure hope the feds get at least one pretty jewel...
I looked at all the ships, but because I never really liked the way the galaxy class looked, the only one I like is the sci vessel (yay). It looks like a trade federation battleship from star wars episode 1 with nacelles and a mission pod.
So all those episodes where someone on the crew underwent superfly cosmetic surgery to blend in on the local populace of an alien world to gather intelligence etc. were what? I guess the Federation is just getting lazy and needs to have a cloak?
Granted.
There's a difference between observing a species so that you can demonstrate respect for their culture and customs during first contact and infiltrating a species so as to subvert, corrupt, or otherwise weaken them so they'll capitulate to you or at least be less likely to interfere with your "interests."
Though they did also use cloaked "duck blinds" for species observation.
So all those episodes where someone on the crew underwent superfly cosmetic surgery to blend in on the local populace of an alien world to gather intelligence etc. were what? I guess the Federation is just getting lazy and needs to have a cloak?
It has nothing to do with being lazy.
The whole "add ridges and a robe" stunt works with primitive cultures. However, staying out of sight of more advanced cultures requires a bit more finesse. You have to use every tool in your toolbox to complete the mission. That's where a cloaking device comes in.
Sooo.... Kirk infiltrating a Romulan ship disguised as a Romulan, Picard and Data disguised as Romulans and lurking around Romulus means the Romulans are primitive? How about when Janeway and Chakotay infiltrated that Starfleet Academy simulation thing that Species 8472 had? The Undine are dumb primitives too?
They both seem to be pretty advanced cultures to me.
In your first examples, they disguised as Romulans to find Spock, not to engage in a conspiracy to bring down an entire species.
Sooo.... Kirk infiltrating a Romulan ship disguised as a Romulan, Picard and Data disguised as Romulans and lurking around Romulus means the Romulans are primitive? How about when Janeway and Chakotay infiltrated that Starfleet Academy simulation thing that Species 8472 had? The Undine are dumb primitives too?
They both seem to be pretty advanced cultures to me.
Getting captured, and Kirk's infiltration, was part of the plan. And they did use the captured cloaking device to escape with their prizes at the end.
And how do you think Picard and Data managed to sneak into Romulan space to begin with? A Klingon Bird of Prey that cloaks.
In "Trials and Tribble-ations" the Defiant used it's cloaking device to avoid detection by K-7, the Enterprise, and the Gr'oth. That was in addition to using disguises.
In "The Voyage Home", the Bounty used it's cloak to avoid being picked up on the detection technology of the time (late 1980's), in addition to hiding it visually in the middle of San Francisco in broad daylight.
So, yeah. Even the Federation "white hats" have uses for a cloaking device when they don't want to be seen by advanced cultures.
Arguably KDF and Romulans need more science ship choices like the fed players have right off the bat. As this pack stands it is not a good deal for Romulan/KDF especially at $125 for one less cruiser choice and no science option.
Arguably KDF and Romulans need more science ship choices like the fed players have right off the bat. As this pack stands it is not a good deal for Romulan/KDF especially at $125 for one less cruiser choice and no science option.
Have to agree with you, if there was a Romulan delta pack then i would be purchasing it as it stands i can't see that the expense is waranted for alot off ships i doubt i will ever fly.
And then they never did anything with that cloak after that.
We don't know that. It wasn't never specified in canon. We can only guess.
Yes, it was a Klingon ship and yes it could cloak. It wasn't a Federation ship as Federation ships generally don't cloak. We have a cease fire/peace with the Klingons again. Are they charging too much for accomodations? Do their ships really smell so bad from the Gagh that no one wants to go aboard them? Why wouldn't we have people tag along with them to gather intel? Clearly it seems to be in everyone's best interests.
Because the Federation lacked the capability at the time (that we know of). But it still proved that Federation covert operations could benefit from cloaking technology.
And the Federation would be stupid after the events of the past 30 years, game-time, to rely solely on the good graces of the Empire. The breakdown of the Khitomer Accords in 2399 was the reason for Starfleet deploying cloak equipped warships to begin with.
That wasn't spying on an advanced civilization to gather intel though as they were a hundred years or so in the past.
It was still a mission that required covert means to stop Arn Darvin, without horribly violating General Order One and temporal regulations. The same goes for the mission to get those whales from the 20th Century. Not all covert operations, official or unofficial, involve gathering intelligence.
Sure they did, and yet they never equipped all their ships with it. If cloaking was is useful, why wait until now to use it all the time? Clearly they must have run into situations exploring the Alpha Quadrant where they didn't want to be detected by some alien species. They had to have managed without it in those situations. I guess the aliens in the Delta Quadrant are just scarier?
The Federation's foolish signing and adhering to the Treaty of Algeron had a lot to do with it. And they did use cloaking technology ("duck blind") to observe the Ba'ku when the Treaty was still acknowledged.
I seriously doubt that being "scary" has anything to do with it. The use of cloak capable stealth vessels is nothing more than good ol' common sense, considering Voyager's experiences in the Delta Quadrant. It's the old principle of "know before you go". Cloaking is just another tool to help Starfleet with the "know" part. Nothing wrong with that.
Have to agree with you, if there was a Romulan delta pack then i would be purchasing it as it stands i can't see that the expense is waranted for alot off ships i doubt i will ever fly.
That would be a better idea, splitting the Delta Rising: Operations Pack up by faction and cutting the cost to a third of the price while increasing ships for KDF and Romulan factions. That way the Operations Pack is the same for any faction. They could keep this pack as well but up the number of ships it offers for KDF and Romulans.
So do you think they are going to create a pack like this for every Expansion pack they release in STO ??
and if they do. What do you think about it ??
well since this is the 2nd expansion and they did the same things for the 1st i see no reason why they would not do it again.
but i know i have not nor will i buy these or the ones from the past because they have way too much stuff that i will never use and do not want. maybe a Klingon specific pack would get my money but these feddy bear packs they can keep as far as i am concerned.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
Undine , Dominion and Tholian ships flown around is okey.
But ZOMG, feds getting the cloak? Oh the Lore-ity! :rolleyes:
good point and i don't like all those lock box ships being flown by everybody either. So while my complaints may be falling of deaf ears atleast i am consistent LOL
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
That would be a better idea, splitting the Delta Rising: Operations Pack up by faction and cutting the cost to a third of the price while increasing ships for KDF and Romulan factions. That way the Operations Pack is the same for any faction. They could keep this pack as well but up the number of ships it offers for KDF and Romulans.
they wont invest the time to give kdf or rommies same amount of ships feddy bears outnumber us. so only way is to bust up the packs
50% price reduction for feddy bears and give them their stuff
75% reduction for KDF and rommies and just give us our stuff
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
"Downloadable Content: Requires the base game Star Trek Online on Arc in order to play."
I don't play the game thru the ARC launcher. Am I going to be forced to switch if I want to buy and use the Delta Pack?
No. The LoR Pack states the exact same thing and they have sold thousands of Packs to people who still use the Launcher - like me.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I don't play the game thru the ARC launcher. Am I going to be forced to switch if I want to buy and use the Delta Pack?
Probably not, I wouldn't expect this content to show up now in the C-store after all. Just wait to complain until after it becomes reasonable to expect this elsewhere.
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Probably not, I wouldn't expect this content to show up now in the C-store after all. Just wait to complain until after it becomes reasonable to expect this elsewhere.
Based on the one previous case (I know, not enough to make a pattern out of) we can expect this in the C-store around December 14th. Just in time to give people a reason to buy a bunch of Zen for Christmas!
This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
Ive tried using the link from ARC and it would not work, I found this thread and tried using the links you posted and still nothing. Is it something on my end? Maybe settings or something? I am at a lose and Im not really a computer nerd type lol. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated! :)
Ive tried using the link from ARC and it would not work, I found this thread and tried using the links you posted and still nothing. Is it something on my end? Maybe settings or something? I am at a lose and Im not really a computer nerd type lol. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated! :)
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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Also the basic fact that not being seen is useful to the business of not being destroyed.
You can't always rely on superior firepower or defenses. Sometimes its better to deploy the shrubbery (its simply a new tactical option for the FED that hasn't been historically available because of reasons.)
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Ships always look better in the flesh than screenshots.
Also, that Romulan intel warbird is going to be a beast. Just saying.....
Don't know for sure but I'd say probably..
I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
I looked at all the ships, but because I never really liked the way the galaxy class looked, the only one I like is the sci vessel (yay). It looks like a trade federation battleship from star wars episode 1 with nacelles and a mission pod.
Btw, how big/manuverable is the new sci vessel?
Granted.
There's a difference between observing a species so that you can demonstrate respect for their culture and customs during first contact and infiltrating a species so as to subvert, corrupt, or otherwise weaken them so they'll capitulate to you or at least be less likely to interfere with your "interests."
Though they did also use cloaked "duck blinds" for species observation.
It has nothing to do with being lazy.
The whole "add ridges and a robe" stunt works with primitive cultures. However, staying out of sight of more advanced cultures requires a bit more finesse. You have to use every tool in your toolbox to complete the mission. That's where a cloaking device comes in.
In your first examples, they disguised as Romulans to find Spock, not to engage in a conspiracy to bring down an entire species.
Getting captured, and Kirk's infiltration, was part of the plan. And they did use the captured cloaking device to escape with their prizes at the end.
And how do you think Picard and Data managed to sneak into Romulan space to begin with? A Klingon Bird of Prey that cloaks.
In "Trials and Tribble-ations" the Defiant used it's cloaking device to avoid detection by K-7, the Enterprise, and the Gr'oth. That was in addition to using disguises.
In "The Voyage Home", the Bounty used it's cloak to avoid being picked up on the detection technology of the time (late 1980's), in addition to hiding it visually in the middle of San Francisco in broad daylight.
So, yeah. Even the Federation "white hats" have uses for a cloaking device when they don't want to be seen by advanced cultures.
1 - Escort
1 - Science
2 - Cruisers
Romulan Ships 2
1 Escort
1 Cruiser
KDF Ships 2
1 Raptor (escort)
1 Cruiser
Arguably KDF and Romulans need more science ship choices like the fed players have right off the bat. As this pack stands it is not a good deal for Romulan/KDF especially at $125 for one less cruiser choice and no science option.
Have to agree with you, if there was a Romulan delta pack then i would be purchasing it as it stands i can't see that the expense is waranted for alot off ships i doubt i will ever fly.
We don't know that. It wasn't never specified in canon. We can only guess.
Because the Federation lacked the capability at the time (that we know of). But it still proved that Federation covert operations could benefit from cloaking technology.
And the Federation would be stupid after the events of the past 30 years, game-time, to rely solely on the good graces of the Empire. The breakdown of the Khitomer Accords in 2399 was the reason for Starfleet deploying cloak equipped warships to begin with.
It was still a mission that required covert means to stop Arn Darvin, without horribly violating General Order One and temporal regulations. The same goes for the mission to get those whales from the 20th Century. Not all covert operations, official or unofficial, involve gathering intelligence.
The Federation's foolish signing and adhering to the Treaty of Algeron had a lot to do with it. And they did use cloaking technology ("duck blind") to observe the Ba'ku when the Treaty was still acknowledged.
I seriously doubt that being "scary" has anything to do with it. The use of cloak capable stealth vessels is nothing more than good ol' common sense, considering Voyager's experiences in the Delta Quadrant. It's the old principle of "know before you go". Cloaking is just another tool to help Starfleet with the "know" part. Nothing wrong with that.
and if they do. What do you think about it ??
That would be a better idea, splitting the Delta Rising: Operations Pack up by faction and cutting the cost to a third of the price while increasing ships for KDF and Romulan factions. That way the Operations Pack is the same for any faction. They could keep this pack as well but up the number of ships it offers for KDF and Romulans.
But ZOMG, feds getting the cloak? Oh the Lore-ity! :rolleyes:
well since this is the 2nd expansion and they did the same things for the 1st i see no reason why they would not do it again.
but i know i have not nor will i buy these or the ones from the past because they have way too much stuff that i will never use and do not want. maybe a Klingon specific pack would get my money but these feddy bear packs they can keep as far as i am concerned.
good point and i don't like all those lock box ships being flown by everybody either. So while my complaints may be falling of deaf ears atleast i am consistent LOL
they wont invest the time to give kdf or rommies same amount of ships feddy bears outnumber us. so only way is to bust up the packs
50% price reduction for feddy bears and give them their stuff
75% reduction for KDF and rommies and just give us our stuff
I don't play the game thru the ARC launcher. Am I going to be forced to switch if I want to buy and use the Delta Pack?
Probably not, I wouldn't expect this content to show up now in the C-store after all. Just wait to complain until after it becomes reasonable to expect this elsewhere.
Notable missions: Apex [AEI], Gemini [SSF], Trident [AEI], Evolution's Smile [SSF], Transcendence
Looking for something new to play? I've started building Foundry missions again in visual novel form!
Based on the one previous case (I know, not enough to make a pattern out of) we can expect this in the C-store around December 14th. Just in time to give people a reason to buy a bunch of Zen for Christmas!
The new Expansion Pack does not come out until October 14th, so if you are trying to get that it is far too early. If you are trying to buy the Operations Pack you can do that from the main webpage. http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/7003323-delta-rising-operations-pack