On a side note, that Eclipse Intel Cruiser looks like it belongs in Battlestar Galactica, not Star Trek.
You mean the one that is basically a Prometheus/Hephaestus class hull, right? Funny no one seems to have thought that hull didn't belong in Star Trek until now (indeed, many people seemed to really like the Prometheus).
I'm going to wait until we have stats for these ships, but as they are Intelligence ships, I am hoping they take a hit on their Hull and Shields for their Cloaking and Sensor systems, as they have to give up something to be built with stealth and information gathering as their primary focus (or they would be taking the place of Science Vessels). Also, as they are being operated by the Intel services of the various Empires, I don't see a problem with Federation versions having a cloak from an ideological standpoint. We all know how upstanding Section 31 is, don't we?
yeah I figure if I bought everything in that pack, I'm basically spending the same money as the pack if done individually. That pack is just a shortcut to get it first.
Defending The Galaxy By Breaking One Starfleet Regulation After The Next.
I figured by now we would see People on the Forums with the Voyager title. You know if you buy it now. You get all 3 titles in advance you can use on the forums.
Guys, can we all just take a moment to remember these birds of old
(SNIP)
I'm not sure if it's a human thing, but straight lines and flat surfaces seem to be the norm when designing something that revolves AROUND STEALTH - something that a lot of you seem to lack understanding of. I for one quite like the design of the Eclipse and the Phantom (typically Starfleet in BASIC configuration considering their recent designs), the Scryer doesn't hold much sway for me but it's got a Luna/Titan look to it.
The Klingon ships have your standard Klingon shape to them (although I mistook the MaHa for a battlecruiser at first), and the Romulan ships share a distinctly Romulan look with a balance of angles and curves.
Everything else in the pack is just a bonus for me.
Straight lines and flat surfaces are the norm, not due to human inclination, but due to science:
Angular design is used to scatter and minimize reflectivity, emission and detection from what amounts to advanced echo location by various means (sound, rf, laser, audio, etc).
This "stealth" technology is effective on this planet, in an atmosphere, against current 21st century technologies.
Off world are these angular designs necessary? there is no atmosphere. Would the angles needed to diffuse be different? Would an angular design that was "stealthy" on Earth light up like a Christmas tree in space?
On a different planet, with an atmosphere made up of different gases or ratios of gases, the wavelengths of light, sound, rf will be different. Would this angular specific design still be effective? Would the angles used need to be adjusted to account for this?
Do detection methods of the Star Trek universe even employ technology designed to "bounce" a waveform off a target as a detection method?
I figured by now we would see People on the Forums with the Voyager title. You know if you buy it now. You get all 3 titles in advance you can use on the forums.
the titles haven't been activated for use yet. there's been several posts complaining about that.
I am not complaining, as the pack seems ot offer quite a bit and is probbly a deal in the long run, but I cant see myself paying $126.00 for this... I barely ever convince myself to buy $25.00 prepaid cards...
yeah I figure if I bought everything in that pack, I'm basically spending the same money as the pack if done individually. That pack is just a shortcut to get it first.
it's gonna be a lot more expensive. right now you can get 8 ships for 15 bucks each, and you're getting all the other stuff basically for free. when the ships go on sale individually you can expect to pay 30 bucks for each ship. so it's not just a short cut. it's a huge savings too.
The price is not bad for all you get, it is just more than I personally want, so I'm going to go along with op and a la carte the ships, unfortunately there are no fed ones I like for my main toon.
I figured by now we would see People on the Forums with the Voyager title. You know if you buy it now. You get all 3 titles in advance you can use on the forums.
Voyager title? What is it like, being named after a ship?
but I don't even want to starfleet, any chance of the bean counters setting aside faction specific bundles, I wouldn't paying for a Romulan bundle with the ships, one upgrade token, a doff and a boff
The pack is most likely a great deal if you're going for most or all of what's included, but it you're only interested in one or two ships, it's better to just buy what you want individually, on launch day, at the same time the pack preorders are handed out anyway.
STO has actually been very good about not using highly-desirable items to force people to buy an expensive pack. (I'm looking at you, Neverwinter Dragonborn Pack.) The few items that are exclusive are incidentals that make little real difference. Instead, the pack offers a way to buy the items in bulk at a discount. It's an alternative way to buy things, not a forced way.
And you have no reason to feel bad if you only want a couple of things and decide to to get those items individually. If you don't want anything, then you decision is easy, you still get to enjoy the game too.
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I'm not sure if it's a human thing, but straight lines and flat surfaces seem to be the norm when designing something that revolves AROUND STEALTH - something that a lot of you seem to lack understanding of. I for one quite like the design of the Eclipse and the Phantom (typically Starfleet in BASIC configuration considering their recent designs), the Scryer doesn't hold much sway for me but it's got a Luna/Titan look to it.
The Klingon ships have your standard Klingon shape to them (although I mistook the MaHa for a battlecruiser at first), and the Romulan ships share a distinctly Romulan look with a balance of angles and curves.
Everything else in the pack is just a bonus for me.
I thought the MaHa was an updated Vorcha, which was fine its still one of my favorite kdf designs. At this point I'll have to wait and see though the KDF/ROM ships look interesting the Guardian looks like an updated version of the Envoy ship skin. maybe they will add something else to sweeten the deal.
Was there gonna be a new playable species released with DR?
yeah I figure if I bought everything in that pack, I'm basically spending the same money as the pack if done individually. That pack is just a shortcut to get it first.
I'm not sure I follow this. The pack is $125, right?
Assuming the ships cost the same as a top end T5 ship (and they may well cost more) that is $25 each... EIGHT ships is $200. And we haven't even put a price on the rest of it...
So just on the ship you save 80 bucks over buyng them separately, so how is it the same as buying everythign individually?
You didn't answer the question. Why does the Federation suddenly need cloaking devices? Or "intelligence" ships for that matter? We've seen various crew members go incognito to study/spy on various alien races to gather intel for decades on Star Trek, all without the need for a cloaking device on their ship. We've seen the Federation fighting every alien race under the sun without needed cloaking devices. What's the urgency now?
Ooh! Ooh! Perfect example relevant to your post AND the expansion.
In the very first episode of Star Trek Voyager Tuvok was an undercover operative aboard a Maquis ship under the command of Chakotay.
I thought the MaHa was an updated Vorcha, which was fine its still one of my favorite kdf designs. At this point I'll have to wait and see though the KDF/ROM ships look interesting the Guardian looks like an updated version of the Envoy ship skin. maybe they will add something else to sweeten the deal.
Was there gonna be a new playable species released with DR?
Doubtful. At this point they haven't said we're getting a new playable race or faction in Delta Rising.
The pack is certainly a good deal if you want everything that is in it, and can swing the $125 lump sum. If they had more options and not just the "all or nothing" deal I'd certainly entertain spending real USD on some $30 starter packs.
For me at least, if my only options are buy everything for $125 real dollars or earn Zen in-game and get just what I'll use individually. I'm happy to grind Dilithium.
You didn't answer the question. Why does the Federation suddenly need cloaking devices? Or "intelligence" ships for that matter? We've seen various crew members go incognito to study/spy on various alien races to gather intel for decades on Star Trek, all without the need for a cloaking device on their ship. We've seen the Federation fighting every alien race under the sun without needed cloaking devices. What's the urgency now?
...because the Federation recently forged an alliance with a species that possesses hundreds of years of experience with the best cloaking technology around, and therefore needs to do the scouting themselves? The Federation has this huge fleet of non-cloaking warships, and an ally busy consolidating their infrastructure, who should be avoiding large scale front-line combat, and that just happens to have a flotilla of cloaking ships ... so of course the Federation should do the scouting. Duh.
The practical answer is that Federation-only players wanted cloaking, didn't want to play as a Klingon or Romulan, and didn't want to fly a non-faction ship or use a console. There have now been enough threads on the subject that it became apparent that there was money to be made, and cloaking might sell a special run of "Intelligence Ships" that had it; therefore, we get cloaking Federation "Intelligence Ships". Money pays writers, and writers can retcon as needed to make more of it.
It's not surprising, but it is kind of disappointing. While they aren't my own words, I think the idea that the Federation no longer "boldly goes where no man has gone before" but rather "cleverly sneaks into foreign territories to snoop around" makes it just a little less of a Star Trek game from my perspective. Hopefully the cloaking it thematic, and limited to those three "Intelligence Ships", but we'll have to wait and see...
Still, it makes you wonder why the Timeships don't have cloaking in order to preserve the Temporal Prime Directive, and why those same Timeships can't be upgraded to T6 since they feature more advanced technology... being from the future and all.
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
It's not surprising, but it is kind of disappointing. While they aren't my own words, I think the idea that the Federation no longer "boldly goes where no man has gone before" but rather "cleverly sneaks into foreign territories to snoop around" makes it just a little less of a Star Trek game from my perspective
This game hasn't been Star Trek for a long time
NO TO ARC
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
If some alternative nacelle designs and Type 6 Material could be added to the ship customisation options, I'll be more than satisfied with the Federation ship.
"I will make the Orion Syndicate face the light of justice or burn them with it." - Captainl Kyle Nathaniel Locke, U.S.S. Excalibur NCC-98105-C
Captains! Youre about to explore an area of space that is only partially charted, and full of a few friends, a lot of foes, and even more unknowns in Delta Rising! We're excited to announce the Delta Rising: Operations Pack. The Operations Pack will ensure youre fully prepared for your journey through the Delta Quadrant by giving you access to the most cutting-edge technology, personnel, and ships in the fleet.
Use these to upgrade your Tier 5 ships for when you begin to explore the Delta Quadrant! Not all ships are upgrade-able.
*This option unlocks once per account on a character of your choice.
This makes no sense. So it's three tokens for ONE character on an account?
Can't you make it three separate tokens claimed one by one on the characters we want? I don't need three tokens on one character, as I don't plan on using three T5U ships at the same time. I'd rather use the tokens on three characters, one for each, by upgrading their current ships.
Please consider changing this into three separate tokens, instead of a pack of three for just one character.
This makes no sense. So it's three tokens for ONE character on an account?
Can't you make it three separate tokens claimed one by one on the characters we want? I don't need three tokens on one character, as I don't plan on using three T5U ships at the same time. I'd rather use the tokens on three characters, one for each, by upgrading their current ships.
Please consider changing this into three separate tokens, instead of a pack of three for just one character.
Maybe the wording is just off. No one knows if those tokens are bound anyway.
This makes no sense. So it's three tokens for ONE character on an account?
Can't you make it three separate tokens claimed one by one on the characters we want? I don't need three tokens on one character, as I don't plan on using three T5U ships at the same time. I'd rather use the tokens on three characters, one for each, by upgrading their current ships.
Please consider changing this into three separate tokens, instead of a pack of three for just one character.
It actually does make sense if you consider that the upgrades you get are account wide (mentioned in the article explaining upgrading). If you use a token to upgrade a ship on your main toon, all of your alts should be able to upgrade that ship without paying. I would also assume that it is a typo on their part saying once per character, but who knows...
I can see how this pack will be good for a new player like me with only 2 accounts at Level 50 and less than 2 months experience. However, my planned purchase of the Dyson Sphere pack has now been undone. 10000 ZEN not spent on those and no other ships puchased either. Not good for the cash flow, though good for my bank account. I will simply cease all ZEN purchases until the new update rolls out. 10 dollars to upgrade my old ships does not seem to unfair at this point but as I do not know how competitive the upgraded ships will be that also will be something done long after the updated ships are available.
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I believe that the team need to comment on how our curent fleets will perform in the future in the exisiting game content? I am hoping that the Borg, Voth, Undine and others do not get a 'buff' to match the new Tier 6s and therefore make them a harder prospect in the base game and exisiting PVE content.
I fully understand that Star Trek Online has to find a way to maximise income and am content with the mix of dilithium/zen and indeed subscibe now. However, I feel that the game in constantly updating in this way is being 'millked' to often. However, I love the game and will by the expansion pack, damn your eyes.
It actually does make sense if you consider that the upgrades you get are account wide (mentioned in the article explaining upgrading). If you use a token to upgrade a ship on your main toon, all of your alts should be able to upgrade that ship without paying. I would also assume that it is a typo on their part saying once per character, but who knows...
But how many people have three fleet ships, or lockbox ships, or whatever on a single character? And then also have those same ships used on another character? Granted some of my characters have more than one T5.5 ship, but none of them are duplicated on any other character.
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You mean the one that is basically a Prometheus/Hephaestus class hull, right? Funny no one seems to have thought that hull didn't belong in Star Trek until now (indeed, many people seemed to really like the Prometheus).
I'm going to wait until we have stats for these ships, but as they are Intelligence ships, I am hoping they take a hit on their Hull and Shields for their Cloaking and Sensor systems, as they have to give up something to be built with stealth and information gathering as their primary focus (or they would be taking the place of Science Vessels). Also, as they are being operated by the Intel services of the various Empires, I don't see a problem with Federation versions having a cloak from an ideological standpoint. We all know how upstanding Section 31 is, don't we?
Defending The Galaxy By Breaking One Starfleet Regulation After The Next.
Straight lines and flat surfaces are the norm, not due to human inclination, but due to science:
Angular design is used to scatter and minimize reflectivity, emission and detection from what amounts to advanced echo location by various means (sound, rf, laser, audio, etc).
This "stealth" technology is effective on this planet, in an atmosphere, against current 21st century technologies.
Off world are these angular designs necessary? there is no atmosphere. Would the angles needed to diffuse be different? Would an angular design that was "stealthy" on Earth light up like a Christmas tree in space?
On a different planet, with an atmosphere made up of different gases or ratios of gases, the wavelengths of light, sound, rf will be different. Would this angular specific design still be effective? Would the angles used need to be adjusted to account for this?
Do detection methods of the Star Trek universe even employ technology designed to "bounce" a waveform off a target as a detection method?
That's my issue, not the game's. Still.... ouch.
Voyager title? What is it like, being named after a ship?
but I don't even want to starfleet, any chance of the bean counters setting aside faction specific bundles, I wouldn't paying for a Romulan bundle with the ships, one upgrade token, a doff and a boff
STO has actually been very good about not using highly-desirable items to force people to buy an expensive pack. (I'm looking at you, Neverwinter Dragonborn Pack.) The few items that are exclusive are incidentals that make little real difference. Instead, the pack offers a way to buy the items in bulk at a discount. It's an alternative way to buy things, not a forced way.
And you have no reason to feel bad if you only want a couple of things and decide to to get those items individually. If you don't want anything, then you decision is easy, you still get to enjoy the game too.
I thought the MaHa was an updated Vorcha, which was fine its still one of my favorite kdf designs. At this point I'll have to wait and see though the KDF/ROM ships look interesting the Guardian looks like an updated version of the Envoy ship skin. maybe they will add something else to sweeten the deal.
Was there gonna be a new playable species released with DR?
I'm not sure I follow this. The pack is $125, right?
Assuming the ships cost the same as a top end T5 ship (and they may well cost more) that is $25 each... EIGHT ships is $200. And we haven't even put a price on the rest of it...
So just on the ship you save 80 bucks over buyng them separately, so how is it the same as buying everythign individually?
I sure hope the feds get at least one pretty jewel...
Ooh! Ooh! Perfect example relevant to your post AND the expansion.
In the very first episode of Star Trek Voyager Tuvok was an undercover operative aboard a Maquis ship under the command of Chakotay.
Doubtful. At this point they haven't said we're getting a new playable race or faction in Delta Rising.
For me at least, if my only options are buy everything for $125 real dollars or earn Zen in-game and get just what I'll use individually. I'm happy to grind Dilithium.
It would satiate my need to spend money here, and at least deliver 1 of each of the starting ships.
But there had better be at LEAST unique bridges for the set. AT LEAST.
Just sayin.
...because the Federation recently forged an alliance with a species that possesses hundreds of years of experience with the best cloaking technology around, and therefore needs to do the scouting themselves? The Federation has this huge fleet of non-cloaking warships, and an ally busy consolidating their infrastructure, who should be avoiding large scale front-line combat, and that just happens to have a flotilla of cloaking ships ... so of course the Federation should do the scouting. Duh.
The practical answer is that Federation-only players wanted cloaking, didn't want to play as a Klingon or Romulan, and didn't want to fly a non-faction ship or use a console. There have now been enough threads on the subject that it became apparent that there was money to be made, and cloaking might sell a special run of "Intelligence Ships" that had it; therefore, we get cloaking Federation "Intelligence Ships". Money pays writers, and writers can retcon as needed to make more of it.
It's not surprising, but it is kind of disappointing. While they aren't my own words, I think the idea that the Federation no longer "boldly goes where no man has gone before" but rather "cleverly sneaks into foreign territories to snoop around" makes it just a little less of a Star Trek game from my perspective. Hopefully the cloaking it thematic, and limited to those three "Intelligence Ships", but we'll have to wait and see...
Still, it makes you wonder why the Timeships don't have cloaking in order to preserve the Temporal Prime Directive, and why those same Timeships can't be upgraded to T6 since they feature more advanced technology... being from the future and all.
This game hasn't been Star Trek for a long time
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
120 euro for a pack of ingame goodies? I don't think so... way too expensive.... :mad:
Can't you make it three separate tokens claimed one by one on the characters we want? I don't need three tokens on one character, as I don't plan on using three T5U ships at the same time. I'd rather use the tokens on three characters, one for each, by upgrading their current ships.
Please consider changing this into three separate tokens, instead of a pack of three for just one character.
Maybe the wording is just off. No one knows if those tokens are bound anyway.
It actually does make sense if you consider that the upgrades you get are account wide (mentioned in the article explaining upgrading). If you use a token to upgrade a ship on your main toon, all of your alts should be able to upgrade that ship without paying. I would also assume that it is a typo on their part saying once per character, but who knows...
Question
I believe that the team need to comment on how our curent fleets will perform in the future in the exisiting game content? I am hoping that the Borg, Voth, Undine and others do not get a 'buff' to match the new Tier 6s and therefore make them a harder prospect in the base game and exisiting PVE content.
I fully understand that Star Trek Online has to find a way to maximise income and am content with the mix of dilithium/zen and indeed subscibe now. However, I feel that the game in constantly updating in this way is being 'millked' to often. However, I love the game and will by the expansion pack, damn your eyes.
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D'amnation
But how many people have three fleet ships, or lockbox ships, or whatever on a single character? And then also have those same ships used on another character? Granted some of my characters have more than one T5.5 ship, but none of them are duplicated on any other character.