Case in point, out of my four ships, only two of them can be upgraded:
Sovereign class Assault Cruiser: No.
Negh'var: No.
Scimitar: Yes (with cost).
Nicor: Yes (for free).
That's incorrect.
You can upgrade the Sovereign to the Assault Cruiser Refit. You can further upgrade that to the Fleet Assault Cruiser Refit. You can further upgrade that to the Fleet T5-U Assault Cruiser Refit or if you wanted to skip the Fleet benefits, you could upgrade the Assault Cruiser Refit to T5-U Assault Cruiser Refit. You have upgrade options.
You can upgrade the Negh'Var to a Fleet Negh'Var. You can further upgrade that to the Fleet T5-U Negh'Var. You have upgrade options.
I know you guys think this is the silver bullet argument, but you're wrong. In Vanilla WoW, I had a melee dps Shaman specced for two-handed hammer who ruled inpvp. Then an expansion came out. Ever since, melee shaman have had to dual-wield. In WotLK, I endgame tanked with a Frost DK. Then an expansion came out. Now Frost can't tank anymore. InLotRO, I spent countless hours per toon grinding out class traits. In the most recent expansion, that went out the window in favor of talent trees.
Maybe some folks are new to MMOs, but typically, when an expansion comes out, everything you've done, including things like class spec, etc., goes right out the window.
You proved my point for me. None of those characters you were FORCED to login and select a new class, you CHOSE to roll a new character because you didn't like a recent skill nerf. Skill nerfs are part of an MMO, yet they still never force you to change the class of an existing character. You make that decision yourself because you aren't having fun playing the way you were before.
In LotRO you still were not forced to change your class when that went live. In fact the only game I can recall EVER forcing people to select a class for an established character was Star Wars Galaxies when NGE rolled out, and those that were there for that will gladly point to that single update as the one that killed the best sandbox system in the industry at the time, and not long after Lucas Arts started shopping for someone to make a new Star Wars MMO.
You can upgrade the Sovereign to the Assault Cruiser Refit. You can further upgrade that to the Fleet Assault Cruiser Refit. You can further upgrade that to the Fleet T5-U Assault Cruiser Refit or if you wanted to skip the Fleet benefits, you could upgrade the Assault Cruiser Refit to T5-U Assault Cruiser Refit. You have upgrade options.
You can upgrade the Negh'Var to a Fleet Negh'Var. You can further upgrade that to the Fleet T5-U Negh'Var. You have upgrade options.
He was correct. In Cryptic's eyes they are different ships and the Assault Cruiser, the original and free version, is not upgradeable.
Now you're talking about changes to the meta as if thats the same thing, its not. Cryptic changed Gravity Well from weak hold and high damage to strong hold and weak damage, that is change to the meta, but it didnt obsolete everything you had done prior.
What they are doing now is saying that all of your existing gear, every single ship and piece of gear on it, is going to be obsolete for some portion of the DR content (only the single-player episodes are going to be doable in base T5, per Cryptic). Then they say you can pay one way to keep the ship at half-function, or you can start over again with another ship at full-function. It would be like you had been told, hey good job getting your hammer toon to level 50 but we are going to start over and we will let you buy half an upgrade to 55 or you can make a new toon that goes to 60. Its not at all the same thing, nothing like it.
I don't think this will be the case. From the information released so far I would say the T5 upgrades are closer to or the same to T6 as the difference between a 9 console T5 and a 10 console 5.5.
I can easily do everything now for example in my non-fleet t'varo. I find it hard to believe I won't be able to handle all new pve in my vet ships, my vesta, my t'varo etc... That said, I will be upgrading those for awesomeness.
If it is true that the difficulty is, say, trebled, then the T6 abilities would have to be very powerful indeed to make that much of a difference from the T5.5 or T5 U.
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So I just read the developer log, and let me see if I get this right.
They've charged us for the ships, now they're obsoleting them and charging us MORE to make them slightly LESS obsolete and less powerful than the new shiney stuff. lol
Wow, PwE really wants their pint of blood.
And to the previous poster that thinks this is alright because every other game out there obsoletes gear with a new expansion, please go see a doctor about your rectal cranial inversion. No other MMO charges real money for endgame equipment.
I guess I should've known better, and that's on me. Now I regret supporting them by getting the Odyssey pack a few months ago.
Actually, you didn't quite get it right. While I agree the excuse "other people are doing worse" is never anything but a dodge or a weak attempt at avoiding a real problem, your evaluation of the Upgrades and T6 relationship is a bit off.
Reading the Upgrade notes reveals that the T6 ships will have 1 more BOFF seat that is to be used for the new Special BOFF coming out that has two sets of skills, and the ability to earn a new Ship talent that can be slotting into the same Trait slot you use for your Ship Reputation Traits now (forcing you to give up one to use the new Trait).
Upgrade ships, by comparison, will have 1 more Console slot, and in general have more Hull Points and/or Shield Mods over their counterpart T6 classes.
Otherwise, both T5U and T6 ships receive the same additional bonuses in the form of 4 Mastery levels that provide passive abilities and increased hull points.
So, it isn't the case that the Upgraded ships will automatically be inferior, just different. Indeed, it is quite possible Upgraded Fleet ships will be -more- powerful than the T6 ships, since it is the baseline T5 ships that are being used to scale the improvements for T6, not Refit or Fleet versions.
Bottom Line: Everyone is making assumptions about what the T6 ships are going to be, and blowing up over something we just don't have a good example of to determine the facts. Rather than wait to see exactly what we're dealing with, people would rather light a firestorm and dance on the flames to get a thrill.
Let's not be those people. Let's wait until we have firm stats on what a T6 ship looks like so we can compare it to a T5, T5+, T5U, and T5+U before we start demanding the Devs tear down everything they've worked on. Once we have good data and not just fear and assumptions, we can then make accurate recommendations.
What they are doing now is saying that all of your existing gear, every single ship and piece of gear on it, is going to be obsolete for some portion of the DR content (only the single-player episodes are going to be doable in base T5, per Cryptic). Then they say you can pay one way to keep the ship at half-function, or you can start over again with another ship at full-function. Its not at all the same thing, nothing like it.
But that's not what they're doing, and they need to start banning the accounts of people that are spewing that kind of misinformation.
It's one thing for the folks that are grumbling about the costs - what it means for their ships and all the rest. It's an entirely different matter to spread such blatant misinformation.
What they are doing now is saying that all of your existing gear, every single ship and piece of gear on it, is going to be obsolete for some portion of the DR content (only the single-player episodes are going to be doable in base T5, per Cryptic).
Is not what Cryptic said in the least. They said the following:
Second, all existing content, all new story content, patrols and most queues will not require a Tier 6 or Upgraded Tier 5 starship.
Only the most challenging new level 60 content will strongly benefit from using an upgraded Tier 5 starship or a Tier 6 starship, however it will not strictly require it.
So yeah, the "and most queues" raises the question of what queues will require T5-U/T6 ships against the second line which states nothing will strictly require it. So that's definitely something that Cryptic needs to clarify/answer.
But that is still nothing anywhere near the misinformation you're spreading...
Then they say you can pay one way to keep the ship at half-function, or you can start over again with another ship at full-function. Its not at all the same thing, nothing like it.
Upgraded Lockbox ships aren't inferior to T6s ships.
Which also applies to the Fleet T5-U boats when you actually read what they've said, rather than just making something up as if they said it.
Sure, the Standard T6 (+1 BOFF ability, access to hybrid seat) will be better than the Standard T5-U...but with the information they've provided, the Standard T6 is not superior to the Fleet/Lock Box T5-U (11 console, +10% hull and shield).
When they give us more info, then we'll be able to argue all we want that Cryptic's full of TRIBBLE and the ships are inferior...but they haven't said that yet. It's one thing to say we don't believe them - it's another to say they've said something they haven't.
That +1 BOFF ability if it's a Commander level ability, the hybrid seat if the Specialist BOFF abilities are massively over the top...yeah, the argument could easily be made that's worth more than a console and 10% hull/shields. But until we know what they're going to be, we can just say we don't trust them - say they're probably going to TRIBBLE us over...we just can't say they've said something they haven't said.
I don't think this will be the case. From the information released so far I would say the T5 upgrades are closer to or the same to T6 as the difference between a 9 console T5 and a 10 console 5.5.
Half the features = half-upgrade. The other option is buy a new ship where you can start over again and rebuild the ship with new BOFFs and new fleet upgrades and everything else you already did with the ship thats been forcefully dead-ended.
I can easily do everything now for example in my non-fleet t'varo. I find it hard to believe I won't be able to handle all new pve in my vet ships, my vesta, my t'varo etc...
All they promise you will be able to do is the single-player episodes. They avoid making commitments about the multiplayer queues.
If it is true that the difficulty is, say, trebled, then the T6 abilities would have to be very powerful indeed to make that much of a difference from the T5.5 or T5 U.
They are going to make those new BOFFs do something worth paying for
But that's not what they're doing, and they need to start banning the accounts of people that are spewing that kind of misinformation.
It's one thing for the folks that are grumbling about the costs - what it means for their ships and all the rest. It's an entirely different matter to spread such blatant misinformation.
It isn't "blatant misinformation". Of course Cryptic didn't say that our gear would be obsolete(which it will be) because if they were to be honest and come right on out and say it, people would quit this game faster than a starship moving faster than warp 10. Believe what you want but I know what's really going on and so do many others. You might feel the need to explain yourself over and over again but I don't. I know you want to believe in the big green floating head called Cryptic/PWE but I know that it is just a facade to coax us into purchasing more Zen.
Upgrade ships, by comparison, will have 1 more Console slot, and in general have more Hull Points and/or Shield Mods over their counterpart T6 classes.
Citation needed.
I keep seeing this repeated but can't verify it.
I know they've said T5FU will retain its +10% over T5U the same as T5 vs. T5.5/fleet, but I've not seen anything saying that T6 will have 10 consoles vs. T5FU having 11 (they both say "additional console slot" in the T5U post) or that T5U/T5FU will have more hitpoints in general than a T6 (again, both will have level-scaling hit points).
well, I will be seriously impressed if I can't handle the new content. it would be pretty exciting really. to find a way to deal with it.
i can say there is no way I would buy this ugly fed T6. If they have a T6 vesta looking type ship then i would consider it, but i expect to do well in the ships i fly now. i worked hard to get competitive in pvp, and as soon as i did i lost interest in it. so some challenging new pve intrigues me.
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Actually, you didn't quite get it right. While I agree the excuse "other people are doing worse" is never anything but a dodge or a weak attempt at avoiding a real problem, your evaluation of the Upgrades and T6 relationship is a bit off.
Reading the Upgrade notes reveals that the T6 ships will have 1 more BOFF seat that is to be used for the new Special BOFF coming out that has two sets of skills, and the ability to earn a new Ship talent that can be slotting into the same Trait slot you use for your Ship Reputation Traits now (forcing you to give up one to use the new Trait).
It doesn't say they will have one more BOFF seat. It says they will have a hybrid seat. It doesn't say they will have an additional hybrid seat.
The Starship Traits are a new category of traits, they don't use any current trait slots.
Upon reaching Starship Mastery level 5 a Starship Trait will be unlocked. This special trait can be slotted into any of your four Starship Trait slots. This is a new set of trait slots that will be available to all characters upon achieving level 50. These special traits add powerful effects to your starship or your existing captain and bridge officer abilities. Since Starship Traits can be slotted, they can be used while flying any starship you own even if they are not Tier 6.
I know they've said T5FU will retain its +10% over T5U the same as T5 vs. T5.5/fleet, but I've not seen anything saying that T6 will have 10 consoles vs. T5FU having 11 (they both say "additional console slot" in the T5U post) or that T5U/T5FU will have more hitpoints in general than a T6 (again, both will have level-scaling hit points).
It's been answered multiple times. They really need to update the OP or the blogs with the posts in the thread from Geko and Gorngonzolla covering it.
It doesn't say they will have one more BOFF seat. It says they will have a hybrid seat. It doesn't say they will have an additional hybrid seat.
Yup, it will have one more Boff ability. Though that still leaves the question of what level ability that will end up being.
Also unknown if the hybrid officer will have both normal and new commands available simultaneously (and at what level) or if it will be "stance" based like "tactical mode" in the Advanced Dyson ships.
Actually the second link from Gorngonzolla mentions that upgraded fleet ships will have +10% more hull and shields when compared to their T5-U counterparts, yet you keep saying T6. We have no T6 stats, so there is no way to support that claim.
Actually the second link from Gorngonzolla mentions that upgraded fleet ships will have +10% more hull and shields when compared to their T5-U counterparts, yet you keep saying T6. We have no T6 stats, so there is no way to support that claim.
Each time your captain gains a level beyond 50 (up to level 60) the starships hit points will increase. These ships are intended to grow with the captain. This feature allows Tier 6 starships to be available at level 50 without making them have more hit points than Tier 5 ships do at that level.
A Standard T6 ship will not have more health than a Standard T5 ship.
A Fleet T5 ship has +10% hull/shields than a Standard T5 ship.
A Fleet T5 ship will have +10% hull/shields compared to a Standard T6 ship.
Thank you. That clears up some things. But, even IF Fleet T5-U is better than T6 in that it has more hull, shields, and +1 console slot... It's still a bit ridiculous to charge zen for an upgrade. Without the upgrade T5 will be inferior to T6. Devs never said that wasn't true aside from circumstantial situations like story content and some PvE's. This limits our ability to experience all of DR. So the truth of the matter is, unless you only fly lobi/lockbox/ or event ships.... this new expansion is NOT free which goes against the F2P model.
You can upgrade the Sovereign to the Assault Cruiser Refit.
You can upgrade the Negh'Var to a Fleet Negh'Var. You can further upgrade that to the Fleet T5-U Negh'Var. You have upgrade options.
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A Sovereign and the Assault Cruiser Refit are completely different ships.
Just because they look the same does not mean they are the same!
The BOFF station on the FACr is a tactical layout, the Sovereign class favors an Engineering layout.
Which is why I rejected the FACr, because the configuration of BOFF skills cannot be used on it.
If my fleet had T4 Tactical, then yes, I could get a Fleet Negh'var.
But we are T3 currently and so far from T4 it is not going to happen any time soon.....
Now tell me again how I have "options".
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Each time your captain gains a level beyond 50 (up to level 60) the starships hit points will increase. These ships are intended to grow with the captain. This feature allows Tier 6 starships to be available at level 50 without making them have more hit points than Tier 5 ships do at that level.
Nothing is saying how many they will start with in comparison to any other ship, so could be less, more or the same as a base line.
Yup, it will have one more Boff ability. Though that still leaves the question of what level ability that will end up being.
Also unknown if the hybrid officer will have both normal and new commands available simultaneously (and at what level) or if it will be "stance" based like "tactical mode" in the Advanced Dyson ships.
Yep, that +1 BOFF ability/power could mean all sorts of things...Lt, LCmdr, Cmdr...all sorts of things, eh? Meh...that's going to be an interesting blog.
As for the hybrid seats, they tell us this from the blog...
We really wanted this tier of starships to stand out and offer some unique features not found anywhere else. These ships can (but dont always) have hybrid bridge officer seats that can slot Specialist Bridge Officers. These special officers have access to two complete pools of bridge officer abilities. One of these pools is a complete suite of all new bridge officer abilities, while the other is an existing profession: Tactical, Science or Engineering. Its important to note that while these ships dont always feature a Specialist Bridge Officer seat, all of the Tier 6 ships launching with Delta Rising will feature at least one of these special seats.
That said, were not quite ready to fully reveal the new {REDACTED} Bridge Officers. You can expect to get a full reveal of this new type of Bridge Officer in the very near future! Stay tuned!
So that's going to be open to interpretation until they give us better details (really feels like they're trolling us), but it doesn't really suggest that the seat will be special other than allowing the Specialist BOFF to use it, eh? And it's the Specialist BOFF that has the access to the two pools.
But then again, Hell - they don't even tell us if that hybrid seat can slot a BOFF other than a Specialist BOFF.
There's just so much information that they haven't given us - and yeah - they want to hold back stuff, then they should hold it back entirely until they can tell us entirely...otherwise they're just trolling us so hard and it's really pissing me off.
They could have just mentioned Specialist BOFFs...as a feature - without mentioning anything at all about that feature until they were ready to tell us about that feature. Sure, folks might have speculated all over the place on that; but it would not have been the same as all the folks that are arguing over what Cryptic is and is not saying. They're trolling us hard and I seriously feel like reporting them to their own customer service for it...cause it really is pissing me off.
A Sovereign and the Assault Cruiser Refit are completely different ships.
Just because they look the same does not mean they are the same!
The BOFF station on the FACr is a tactical layout, the Sovereign class favors an Engineering layout.
Which is why I rejected the FACr, because the configuration of BOFF skills cannot be used on it.
If my fleet had T4 Tactical, then yes, I could get a Fleet Negh'var.
But we are T3 currently and so far from T4 it is not going to happen any time soon.....
Now tell me again how I have "options".
If you prefer a BOFF seating to the ship, then you can find another ship with said seating.
There are fleets that offer ship purchases to members of other fleets.
If you prefer a BOFF seating to the ship, then you can find another ship with said seating.
There are fleets that offer ship purchases to members of other fleets.
Forget purchasing fleet ships. Just use the channel NoP Public Service. You can fleet ships free there. (so long as you provide the FC and FSMs). You really like convincing people to pay for things don't you?
Nothing is saying how many they will start with in comparison to any other ship, so could be less, more or the same as a base line.
Nothing says they won't. Speculation is speculation.
All they have told us is:
T6 ships will have the same levels of hull as T5 ships at level 50.
Health will scale.
That's it. So based on that, what can we say? A Fleet T5-U/Lock Box/Lobi/Event/certain ZEN (current 10 console T5 ships) will have more health at level 50 than a T6 ship. Right? That's all we can say...
Forget purchasing fleet ships. Just use the channel NoP Public Service. You can fleet ships free there. (so long as you provide the FC and FSMs). You really like convincing people to pay for things don't you?
Do you even read what you said there while complaining about what I said?
I said...
"There are fleets that offer ship purchases to members of other fleets."
You said...
"(so long as you provide the FC and FSMs)."
So I like convincing people to pay for things...when all you did was say the exact same thing while listing the currencies that would be used to make the purchase? Really?
Do you even read what you said there while complaining about what I said?
I said...
"There are fleets that offer ship purchases to members of other fleets."
You said...
"(so long as you provide the FC and FSMs)."
So I like convincing people to pay for things...when all you did was say the exact same thing while listing the currencies that would be used to make the purchase? Really?
Do you even read what you type?
Yes I do. You said "that offer". you never said free. BIO LEGION offers ship purchases. but you gotta pay 10 mil EC for the provision and still provide the currencies. If you were implying free I apologize but your statement was rather vague in specifics. Like me, you should have pointed them in the right direction. And don't get mad at me, I didn't choose for FC and FSMs to be needed for fleet ships. take that up with Cryptic/PWE. Yes you would need to pay for those, but I was up front about it. Unlike you and, most of the time, unlike Cryptic/PWE. I guess it would have been more correct of both of us to say you can obatin free access to Shipyards and provisions for fleet ships.
Yes I do. You said "that offer". you never said free. BIO LEGION offers ship purchases. but you gotta pay 10 mil EC for the provision and still provide the currencies. If you were implying free I apologize but your statement was rather vague in specifics. Like me, you should have pointed them in the right direction. And don't get mad at me, I didn't choose for FC and FSMs to be needed for fleet ships. take that up with Cryptic/PWE. Yes you would need to pay for those, but I was up front about it. Unlike you and, most of the time, unlike Cryptic/PWE. I guess it would have been more correct of both of us to say you can obatin free access to Shipyards and provisions for fleet ships.
I took it for granted that people know there are fleets that offer the free purchase of Fleet ships. Didn't realize that it would need to be stated...there are multiple threads on the matter, Hell, there have been multiple flamewars over the matter between the fleets that charge and the fleets that offer the service free.
If you prefer a BOFF seating to the ship, then you can find another ship with said seating.
There are fleets that offer ship purchases to members of other fleets.
Currently he can have the ship skin AND seating he likes AND still be viable in group content.
Two months from now he will have to give up one of those things.
He did nothing to deserve having that taken away from him.
You can dismiss and minimize what priorities of preference people have all you like, but that doesn't change the fact that they're going from a system that facilitates what they like to one that doesn't.
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That's incorrect.
You can upgrade the Sovereign to the Assault Cruiser Refit. You can further upgrade that to the Fleet Assault Cruiser Refit. You can further upgrade that to the Fleet T5-U Assault Cruiser Refit or if you wanted to skip the Fleet benefits, you could upgrade the Assault Cruiser Refit to T5-U Assault Cruiser Refit. You have upgrade options.
You can upgrade the Negh'Var to a Fleet Negh'Var. You can further upgrade that to the Fleet T5-U Negh'Var. You have upgrade options.
You proved my point for me. None of those characters you were FORCED to login and select a new class, you CHOSE to roll a new character because you didn't like a recent skill nerf. Skill nerfs are part of an MMO, yet they still never force you to change the class of an existing character. You make that decision yourself because you aren't having fun playing the way you were before.
In LotRO you still were not forced to change your class when that went live. In fact the only game I can recall EVER forcing people to select a class for an established character was Star Wars Galaxies when NGE rolled out, and those that were there for that will gladly point to that single update as the one that killed the best sandbox system in the industry at the time, and not long after Lucas Arts started shopping for someone to make a new Star Wars MMO.
He was correct. In Cryptic's eyes they are different ships and the Assault Cruiser, the original and free version, is not upgradeable.
I don't think this will be the case. From the information released so far I would say the T5 upgrades are closer to or the same to T6 as the difference between a 9 console T5 and a 10 console 5.5.
I can easily do everything now for example in my non-fleet t'varo. I find it hard to believe I won't be able to handle all new pve in my vet ships, my vesta, my t'varo etc... That said, I will be upgrading those for awesomeness.
If it is true that the difficulty is, say, trebled, then the T6 abilities would have to be very powerful indeed to make that much of a difference from the T5.5 or T5 U.
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It is! And I have already made a plan for that as well. I know I've said it a lot now but please check post #2374
Actually, you didn't quite get it right. While I agree the excuse "other people are doing worse" is never anything but a dodge or a weak attempt at avoiding a real problem, your evaluation of the Upgrades and T6 relationship is a bit off.
Reading the Upgrade notes reveals that the T6 ships will have 1 more BOFF seat that is to be used for the new Special BOFF coming out that has two sets of skills, and the ability to earn a new Ship talent that can be slotting into the same Trait slot you use for your Ship Reputation Traits now (forcing you to give up one to use the new Trait).
Upgrade ships, by comparison, will have 1 more Console slot, and in general have more Hull Points and/or Shield Mods over their counterpart T6 classes.
Otherwise, both T5U and T6 ships receive the same additional bonuses in the form of 4 Mastery levels that provide passive abilities and increased hull points.
So, it isn't the case that the Upgraded ships will automatically be inferior, just different. Indeed, it is quite possible Upgraded Fleet ships will be -more- powerful than the T6 ships, since it is the baseline T5 ships that are being used to scale the improvements for T6, not Refit or Fleet versions.
Bottom Line: Everyone is making assumptions about what the T6 ships are going to be, and blowing up over something we just don't have a good example of to determine the facts. Rather than wait to see exactly what we're dealing with, people would rather light a firestorm and dance on the flames to get a thrill.
Let's not be those people. Let's wait until we have firm stats on what a T6 ship looks like so we can compare it to a T5, T5+, T5U, and T5+U before we start demanding the Devs tear down everything they've worked on. Once we have good data and not just fear and assumptions, we can then make accurate recommendations.
But that's not what they're doing, and they need to start banning the accounts of people that are spewing that kind of misinformation.
It's one thing for the folks that are grumbling about the costs - what it means for their ships and all the rest. It's an entirely different matter to spread such blatant misinformation.
Is not what Cryptic said in the least. They said the following:
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/7002133-tier-5-starship-upgrades
So yeah, the "and most queues" raises the question of what queues will require T5-U/T6 ships against the second line which states nothing will strictly require it. So that's definitely something that Cryptic needs to clarify/answer.
But that is still nothing anywhere near the misinformation you're spreading...
They have not said that in the least.
Which also applies to the Fleet T5-U boats when you actually read what they've said, rather than just making something up as if they said it.
Sure, the Standard T6 (+1 BOFF ability, access to hybrid seat) will be better than the Standard T5-U...but with the information they've provided, the Standard T6 is not superior to the Fleet/Lock Box T5-U (11 console, +10% hull and shield).
When they give us more info, then we'll be able to argue all we want that Cryptic's full of TRIBBLE and the ships are inferior...but they haven't said that yet. It's one thing to say we don't believe them - it's another to say they've said something they haven't.
That +1 BOFF ability if it's a Commander level ability, the hybrid seat if the Specialist BOFF abilities are massively over the top...yeah, the argument could easily be made that's worth more than a console and 10% hull/shields. But until we know what they're going to be, we can just say we don't trust them - say they're probably going to TRIBBLE us over...we just can't say they've said something they haven't said.
All they promise you will be able to do is the single-player episodes. They avoid making commitments about the multiplayer queues.
They are going to make those new BOFFs do something worth paying for
Citation needed.
I keep seeing this repeated but can't verify it.
I know they've said T5FU will retain its +10% over T5U the same as T5 vs. T5.5/fleet, but I've not seen anything saying that T6 will have 10 consoles vs. T5FU having 11 (they both say "additional console slot" in the T5U post) or that T5U/T5FU will have more hitpoints in general than a T6 (again, both will have level-scaling hit points).
i can say there is no way I would buy this ugly fed T6. If they have a T6 vesta looking type ship then i would consider it, but i expect to do well in the ships i fly now. i worked hard to get competitive in pvp, and as soon as i did i lost interest in it. so some challenging new pve intrigues me.
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It doesn't say they will have one more BOFF seat. It says they will have a hybrid seat. It doesn't say they will have an additional hybrid seat.
The Starship Traits are a new category of traits, they don't use any current trait slots.
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/7001833-tier-6-ships
It's been answered multiple times. They really need to update the OP or the blogs with the posts in the thread from Geko and Gorngonzolla covering it.
Standard T6 having 10 consoles...
I'm trying to remember the countless movies that's a quote from...
Geko...
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=18829041
Gorngonzolla...
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=18831241
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=18835641
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=18862621
Yup, it will have one more Boff ability. Though that still leaves the question of what level ability that will end up being.
Also unknown if the hybrid officer will have both normal and new commands available simultaneously (and at what level) or if it will be "stance" based like "tactical mode" in the Advanced Dyson ships.
Actually the second link from Gorngonzolla mentions that upgraded fleet ships will have +10% more hull and shields when compared to their T5-U counterparts, yet you keep saying T6. We have no T6 stats, so there is no way to support that claim.
Sure we do...
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/7001833-tier-6-ships
A Standard T6 ship will not have more health than a Standard T5 ship.
A Fleet T5 ship has +10% hull/shields than a Standard T5 ship.
A Fleet T5 ship will have +10% hull/shields compared to a Standard T6 ship.
Thank you. That clears up some things. But, even IF Fleet T5-U is better than T6 in that it has more hull, shields, and +1 console slot... It's still a bit ridiculous to charge zen for an upgrade. Without the upgrade T5 will be inferior to T6. Devs never said that wasn't true aside from circumstantial situations like story content and some PvE's. This limits our ability to experience all of DR. So the truth of the matter is, unless you only fly lobi/lockbox/ or event ships.... this new expansion is NOT free which goes against the F2P model.
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A Sovereign and the Assault Cruiser Refit are completely different ships.
Just because they look the same does not mean they are the same!
The BOFF station on the FACr is a tactical layout, the Sovereign class favors an Engineering layout.
Which is why I rejected the FACr, because the configuration of BOFF skills cannot be used on it.
If my fleet had T4 Tactical, then yes, I could get a Fleet Negh'var.
But we are T3 currently and so far from T4 it is not going to happen any time soon.....
Now tell me again how I have "options".
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Nothing is saying how many they will start with in comparison to any other ship, so could be less, more or the same as a base line.
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"This feature allows Tier 6 starships to be available at level 50 without making them have more hit points than Tier 5 ships do at that level."
This sentence only addresses the comparison at level 50. It doesn't rule out the T6 scaling higher by 60.
Yep, that +1 BOFF ability/power could mean all sorts of things...Lt, LCmdr, Cmdr...all sorts of things, eh? Meh...that's going to be an interesting blog.
As for the hybrid seats, they tell us this from the blog...
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/7001833-tier-6-ships
So that's going to be open to interpretation until they give us better details (really feels like they're trolling us), but it doesn't really suggest that the seat will be special other than allowing the Specialist BOFF to use it, eh? And it's the Specialist BOFF that has the access to the two pools.
But then again, Hell - they don't even tell us if that hybrid seat can slot a BOFF other than a Specialist BOFF.
There's just so much information that they haven't given us - and yeah - they want to hold back stuff, then they should hold it back entirely until they can tell us entirely...otherwise they're just trolling us so hard and it's really pissing me off.
They could have just mentioned Specialist BOFFs...as a feature - without mentioning anything at all about that feature until they were ready to tell us about that feature. Sure, folks might have speculated all over the place on that; but it would not have been the same as all the folks that are arguing over what Cryptic is and is not saying. They're trolling us hard and I seriously feel like reporting them to their own customer service for it...cause it really is pissing me off.
If you prefer a BOFF seating to the ship, then you can find another ship with said seating.
There are fleets that offer ship purchases to members of other fleets.
Forget purchasing fleet ships. Just use the channel NoP Public Service. You can fleet ships free there. (so long as you provide the FC and FSMs). You really like convincing people to pay for things don't you?
Nothing says they won't. Speculation is speculation.
All they have told us is:
T6 ships will have the same levels of hull as T5 ships at level 50.
Health will scale.
That's it. So based on that, what can we say? A Fleet T5-U/Lock Box/Lobi/Event/certain ZEN (current 10 console T5 ships) will have more health at level 50 than a T6 ship. Right? That's all we can say...
Do you even read what you said there while complaining about what I said?
I said...
"There are fleets that offer ship purchases to members of other fleets."
You said...
"(so long as you provide the FC and FSMs)."
So I like convincing people to pay for things...when all you did was say the exact same thing while listing the currencies that would be used to make the purchase? Really?
Do you even read what you type?
Yes I do. You said "that offer". you never said free. BIO LEGION offers ship purchases. but you gotta pay 10 mil EC for the provision and still provide the currencies. If you were implying free I apologize but your statement was rather vague in specifics. Like me, you should have pointed them in the right direction. And don't get mad at me, I didn't choose for FC and FSMs to be needed for fleet ships. take that up with Cryptic/PWE. Yes you would need to pay for those, but I was up front about it. Unlike you and, most of the time, unlike Cryptic/PWE. I guess it would have been more correct of both of us to say you can obatin free access to Shipyards and provisions for fleet ships.
I took it for granted that people know there are fleets that offer the free purchase of Fleet ships. Didn't realize that it would need to be stated...there are multiple threads on the matter, Hell, there have been multiple flamewars over the matter between the fleets that charge and the fleets that offer the service free.
Currently he can have the ship skin AND seating he likes AND still be viable in group content.
Two months from now he will have to give up one of those things.
He did nothing to deserve having that taken away from him.
You can dismiss and minimize what priorities of preference people have all you like, but that doesn't change the fact that they're going from a system that facilitates what they like to one that doesn't.