All of the free ships get free upgrades. Both summer and both winter ships.
It's kind of a common sore point for many, even as they're dodging mod intervention while going at one another arguing...there's a bunch of wtf agreement on the Event ships being a free upgrade.
It's kind of a common sore point for many, even as they're dodging mod intervention while going at one another arguing...there's a bunch of wtf agreement on the Event ships being a free upgrade.
True. I just hope they don't make event ships not free and leave everything else as is. People will still be upset.
so why not give us full upgrade t6 of current ships then? or do u believe everything they tell u?
they just want your money and will feed any ol rubbish to u
I asked the same question back when this thread was in the 30s. Doubt I got a response.
So why can't we update our existing Tier 5 ships to Tier 6 instead? I don't plan to fly anything other than the Vesta Class... well my KDF tac will have the Monbosh so he won't be either.
I asked the same question back when this thread was in the 30s. Doubt I got a response.
You do realize that they didn't make Tier 5 ships fully upgradable to Tier 6 because they want to be able to sell Tier 6 ships to you. Remember that they are a business and they need to make money. This isn't going to be a cheap expansion.
Speaking of upgrading, I'd like to actually point out something in terms that people might understand about how the new content will look with what the devs have actually stated about ships and Delta Rising.
Delta Rising Story content: T5 ships, T5-U and T5 Fleet-U and T6
Delta Rising PvE queues: T5, T5-U, T5 Fleet-U and T6
Delta Rising Level 60 PvE queues: T5-U, T5 Fleet U and T6
As you can see, except for what will become the new endgame content, non-upgraded ships will still be able to make the grade. No one is forcing you to upgrade right away. Don't forget that the ships aren't the only thing that will be coming out. Everyone will have to level once more, and that means that anyone who was flying top tier ships pre-DR will find that they have to work at it once again in order to once again be the top cheese in this game.
If you guys just cannot accept having to pay an extra $5 or 500 zen to upgrade your favorite ship, assuming you don't want to upgrade to a T6 ship. You know where the door is. Go enjoy some other sci-fi game out there like Star Citizen.
I'd prefer it was as soon as we get them, since I'll be using this ship from RALH1 all the way to the level cap.
So it would be more efficient to start the ship XP meter as soon as possible, since I generally stop fighting enemies when I reach the level cap.
And for the record, Cryptic are losing out on income from me here.
I only have 1 ship eligible for the paid upgrade.
The other eligible ship gets an upgrade for free.
And considering I don't have any desire to use the T6 ships, that's more lost income.
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All of the free ships get free upgrades. Both summer and both winter ships.
Don't forget the Dyson ships. The FREE Dyson ships. They get free upgrades. Now, if you paid for the ****-my-wallet Dyson ship C-store pack, well, now you have 9 ships to pay for again. This is just so amazing.
I have one lock box ship on one character, plus both Risa, one Breen, and a free Dyson ship on all nine characters. For the time being it looks like those are the only ones getting upgraded; at least until the current "you supported us more so you have to spend even more" suffers a case of common sense.
And that issue ties into how they're making ~100 C-store and fleet ships seem like they're not good enough to buy. Way to wipe out your entire catalog for ~10 new ships, and non-canon at that. From a business standpoint that's the most mind boggling part of all this. Take 4 years of products that people work toward getting, and in one fell swoop, make it all look like so much chopped liver. Even if the tier 6 ships cost something outrageous, say $100 or more, and most people wouldn't buy them, that still leaves a bitter taste in players' mouths. Players you want to willingly spend more money.
Its always has been and always will be about making money. If you expect anything less you are fooling yourselves. This game was made to make money not to just have it out there to play for free. Yes you can play for free and can grind and grind for Dil to turn into Zen but we all know that they limited the daily amount you can refine to keep all that in check. In the end you just got to understand its all about making money and thats it.
if those free ships were as free as the one you get from finishing the temp mission, then maybe. but they aren't.
they're only available at one point in time and require pretty large time investment, after which they're not available anymore.
after the event ends, there's absolutely no way to get them, so they're even rarer than lockbox/lobi ships. they're also bound, so you can't just get them off exchange. that's why their upgrades are free.
you had to sacrifice a month to grind them out too, a month during a time you could be spending doing other things if you care for those, such as summer vacation, winter vacation etc, so it's not like they were actually free.
Now clowns, that's another story. They scare the crap out of me.
We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.
Er...a few minutes a day, if that...isn't quite sacrificing a month.
it doesn't matter how much.
you had to stay at home and log in daily, you couldn't leave for vacation or you'd likely miss it.
Now clowns, that's another story. They scare the crap out of me.
We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.
I'm not as enraged about the T6 situation as I thought I was gonna be.
My primary concern was, (as I've been collecting them), with the lock box/lobi ships.
Truth be told, I'm one of those people who buys ships, so more likely than not, I would likely buy the T6 ships simply because it's something new, (with a caveat I'll talk about more in a moment) .
As far as my other ship purchases, ( the T5 ones that I bought with zen), the Truth is, Some I favor more than others, some, I hardly use.
The way I see it, I'll make a few decisions on which ones I want to upgrade for the new missions that require T6 ships.
I have a few secondary thoughts/questions/concerns though:
1. The price of the new T6 ships. On average, T5 ships have run 25 bucks a piece with ships packs costing more.
Ship Bundles haven't been the norm. so I was able to purchase them occasionally.
I'm not sure I want to pay MUCH MORE than 25 bucks. Have I in the past?, Yes I have, (occasionally)., but I personally can't sustain the habit if it were to become the new norm.
If they are a lot more, I guess I would be forced to spend/participate less than I would like to/than I have in the past. This would make me feel like I was missing out.
That can't be good if others are in the same situation, Cryptic will sell less ships.
2. The cost of upgrading T5 ships. I'm hoping that since there has already been an investment on these items, we're looking at something really REASONABLE to upgrade them. And I do mean REASONABLE to, otherwise I'd feel my investments in past zen purchases and fleet upgrades have been wasted. And I'd really think twice before purchasing another ship from the C store. Possibly spending less than I have in the past.
* Also, question/s:
How would the progression on this work? In other words, can I just take a t5 ship and chose to upgrade the ship to a t6 bypassing the fleet ships, OR is there a progression here? From T5, to fleet, to T6?
Will this be tied in with fleet holdings? I'm hoping it isn't myself.
3. Mirror Universe ships. They offered different Boff seats, more choices for players, that was they're appeal, they're draw. I really think it's a mistake to omit them from being eligible for the t6 upgrade.
I think that not only is it limiting choices for the players, but Cryptic is missing out on the additional revenue. Some players would upgrade these ships.
I'm also wondering how the upgrade is going to benefit ships that up till now, have been somewhat lacking. Like the Galaxy class.
T6 ships get an extra console slot, and something different with boff seats right?
Could this give the Galaxy what it needs? I'm wondering and HOPE the devs help this class out with the upgrade.
I mean REALLY help it out with changes player's have been asking for, otherwise what would the point be to upgrade it to T6?, it would fall even further behind. That would be a shame for an Iconic Trek ship in this player's opinion.
you had to stay at home and log in daily, you couldn't leave for vacation or you'd likely miss it.
Right! And if I wanted to make the most of the event (summer) we had to grind and wait when it came to birds and monkeys, aside from the ship. Albeit, the grind was more fun and a lot easier, but it was still grinding.
You do realize that they didn't make Tier 5 ships fully upgradable to Tier 6 because they want to be able to sell Tier 6 ships to you. Remember that they are a business and they need to make money. This isn't going to be a cheap expansion.
Speaking of upgrading, I'd like to actually point out something in terms that people might understand about how the new content will look with what the devs have actually stated about ships and Delta Rising.
Delta Rising Story content: T5 ships, T5-U and T5 Fleet-U and T6
Delta Rising PvE queues: T5, T5-U, T5 Fleet-U and T6
Delta Rising Level 60 PvE queues: T5-U, T5 Fleet U and T6
As you can see, except for what will become the new endgame content, non-upgraded ships will still be able to make the grade. No one is forcing you to upgrade right away. Don't forget that the ships aren't the only thing that will be coming out. Everyone will have to level once more, and that means that anyone who was flying top tier ships pre-DR will find that they have to work at it once again in order to once again be the top cheese in this game.
If you guys just cannot accept having to pay an extra $5 or 500 zen to upgrade your favorite ship, assuming you don't want to upgrade to a T6 ship. You know where the door is. Go enjoy some other sci-fi game out there like Star Citizen.
They still can and still would sell tier 6 ships. But like me, having heaps of c-store ships, i want to use some of them as tier 6, like the mogh, avenger, dyson ships, they arent even a yr old yet.
People would still buy tier 6 because they are new. Any other poor excuse why they cant do it or wont do it is because, well, they dont want to
I believe God created the universe, because he knew we wanted to explore. So, he made us a playground...
Heres a idea, instead of making us cash shop ship people shell out even more zen while you toss the lobi and box ship people a freebie, how about making all ship upgrades cost dilithium instead of zen, say 5000 dilithium or so, that way it's free to everyone provided people wanna grind a few foundry missions and those that don't can give a lil revenue to you by buying zen to sell for dilithium.
Heres a idea, instead of making us cash shop ship people shell out even more zen while you toss the lobi and box ship people a freebie, how about making all ship upgrades cost dilithium instead of zen, say 5000 dilithium or so, that way it's free to everyone provided people wanna grind a few foundry missions and those that don't can give a lil revenue to you by buying zen to sell for dilithium.
Although that would be cheaper, I don't like that idea. I still need boat loads of dilithium for equipment and my fleet. If you remove the need for dilithium in those areas, then I might consider that.
They still can and still would sell tier 6 ships. But like me, having heaps of c-store ships, i want to use some of them as tier 6, like the mogh, avenger, dyson ships, they arent even a yr old yet.
People would still buy tier 6 because they are new. Any other poor excuse why they cant do it or wont do it is because, well, they dont want to
Although that would be cheaper, I don't like that idea. I still need boat loads of dilithium for equipment and my fleet. If you remove the need for dilithium in those areas, then I might consider that.
You'd still have it for that. Like I said, a price of around 5000 or 2 or 3 foundry mission runs per ship the person wants to upgrade. I don't know who's stupid idea it was to make upgrades cost zen anyway but all they are doing is making cash shop ships even more unappealing.
Bad enough that the ship sets either have to be used without their consoles, making them sub par compared to other ships or use the consoles, strip off 3 regular consoles and make them even more sub par, now some goof tells us we have to pay even more zen to make the already weakened ships allllmost in line with a fleet T5. How about if they want to charge us zen for upgrades they give those ships 3 new console slots so we can keep our universal consoles without having to scrap others.
So, you devs said you would be reading this thread?
So, you devs said everything from the blog would be subject to change due to player feedback?
Prove it:
Have a way to upgrade all t-5 ships to t-6. Yeah, its going to cost us. We'll pay for it either way. Forget the t5-u. t6 or nothing.
I totally agree with this statement. What's pissing so many people off right now is that the current T5 ships that they use and not even a year old yet won't be upgadable to T6. If they allowed us to do that, not only will it please a lot of people but they would be making a whole lot more money because we are willing to pay for them.
Yet the ones we paid for don't? If free ships get free upgrades, paid ships should as well.
The free ships are not trade-able, they required an unavoidable grind already. And they were giving with the full knowledge of being free ships, kinda a gift (except not really, because it still required daily logging in and flying some loops). I see good reason that they are also upgraded for free.
Of course, you can surely convince Cryptic that they should also be upgradable only for money, see how many people would get happy about that. And guess how many people will feel interested in doing the next event ship if they have to expect that it will cost them money at some point.
If you bought a Tier 1, 2, 3, or 4 ship, or even a Tier 5 ship that has a Fleet version, you are already accustomed to paying for upgrades.
And in the end, the upgrade cost is what Cryptic uses to finance the expansion.
The thing to debate IMO is only wheter the upgrade is too cmoplicated (considering all the different fleet and non-fleet variants of ship that could get individual upgrades), and whether the upgrade really brings you up to the level you should be. I don't think the upgrade ships should lack the "bells & whistles", especially if the bells & whistles are actually a full BO power slot (if not a seat).
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
So since the upgrade process is going to be account unlockable. My question is are you going to remove the horrendous single-shot paywall from upgrading to fleet and make it a account unlock instead of on a per character basis? Since fleet is no longer considered endgame quality and can cost 20 or 5(30 bucks if you add the retrofit cost for the first time) bucks to upgrade to fleet I see no reason to keep the per character paywall.
The free ships are not trade-able, they required an unavoidable grind already. And they were giving with the full knowledge of being free ships, kinda a gift (except not really, because it still required daily logging in and flying some loops). I see good reason that they are also upgraded for free.
Of course, you can surely convince Cryptic that they should also be upgradable only for money, see how many people would get happy about that. And guess how many people will feel interested in doing the next event ship if they have to expect that it will cost them money at some point.
If you bought a Tier 1, 2, 3, or 4 ship, or even a Tier 5 ship that has a Fleet version, you are already accustomed to paying for upgrades.
And in the end, the upgrade cost is what Cryptic uses to finance the expansion.
The thing to debate IMO is only wheter the upgrade is too cmoplicated (considering all the different fleet and non-fleet variants of ship that could get individual upgrades), and whether the upgrade really brings you up to the level you should be. I don't think the upgrade ships should lack the "bells & whistles", especially if the bells & whistles are actually a full BO power slot (if not a seat).
Their finances should and is not of any issue to us. Post #2308, nuff said.
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Yet the ones we paid for don't? If free ships get free upgrades, paid ships should as well.
It's kind of a common sore point for many, even as they're dodging mod intervention while going at one another arguing...there's a bunch of wtf agreement on the Event ships being a free upgrade.
True. I just hope they don't make event ships not free and leave everything else as is. People will still be upset.
I asked the same question back when this thread was in the 30s. Doubt I got a response.
You do realize that they didn't make Tier 5 ships fully upgradable to Tier 6 because they want to be able to sell Tier 6 ships to you. Remember that they are a business and they need to make money. This isn't going to be a cheap expansion.
Speaking of upgrading, I'd like to actually point out something in terms that people might understand about how the new content will look with what the devs have actually stated about ships and Delta Rising.
Delta Rising Story content: T5 ships, T5-U and T5 Fleet-U and T6
Delta Rising PvE queues: T5, T5-U, T5 Fleet-U and T6
Delta Rising Level 60 PvE queues: T5-U, T5 Fleet U and T6
As you can see, except for what will become the new endgame content, non-upgraded ships will still be able to make the grade. No one is forcing you to upgrade right away. Don't forget that the ships aren't the only thing that will be coming out. Everyone will have to level once more, and that means that anyone who was flying top tier ships pre-DR will find that they have to work at it once again in order to once again be the top cheese in this game.
If you guys just cannot accept having to pay an extra $5 or 500 zen to upgrade your favorite ship, assuming you don't want to upgrade to a T6 ship. You know where the door is. Go enjoy some other sci-fi game out there like Star Citizen.
I'd prefer it was as soon as we get them, since I'll be using this ship from RALH1 all the way to the level cap.
So it would be more efficient to start the ship XP meter as soon as possible, since I generally stop fighting enemies when I reach the level cap.
And for the record, Cryptic are losing out on income from me here.
I only have 1 ship eligible for the paid upgrade.
The other eligible ship gets an upgrade for free.
And considering I don't have any desire to use the T6 ships, that's more lost income.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
Don't forget the Dyson ships. The FREE Dyson ships. They get free upgrades. Now, if you paid for the ****-my-wallet Dyson ship C-store pack, well, now you have 9 ships to pay for again. This is just so amazing.
I have one lock box ship on one character, plus both Risa, one Breen, and a free Dyson ship on all nine characters. For the time being it looks like those are the only ones getting upgraded; at least until the current "you supported us more so you have to spend even more" suffers a case of common sense.
And that issue ties into how they're making ~100 C-store and fleet ships seem like they're not good enough to buy. Way to wipe out your entire catalog for ~10 new ships, and non-canon at that. From a business standpoint that's the most mind boggling part of all this. Take 4 years of products that people work toward getting, and in one fell swoop, make it all look like so much chopped liver. Even if the tier 6 ships cost something outrageous, say $100 or more, and most people wouldn't buy them, that still leaves a bitter taste in players' mouths. Players you want to willingly spend more money.
they're only available at one point in time and require pretty large time investment, after which they're not available anymore.
after the event ends, there's absolutely no way to get them, so they're even rarer than lockbox/lobi ships. they're also bound, so you can't just get them off exchange. that's why their upgrades are free.
you had to sacrifice a month to grind them out too, a month during a time you could be spending doing other things if you care for those, such as summer vacation, winter vacation etc, so it's not like they were actually free.
We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.
Er...a few minutes a day, if that...isn't quite sacrificing a month.
you had to stay at home and log in daily, you couldn't leave for vacation or you'd likely miss it.
We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.
I'm not as enraged about the T6 situation as I thought I was gonna be.
My primary concern was, (as I've been collecting them), with the lock box/lobi ships.
Truth be told, I'm one of those people who buys ships, so more likely than not, I would likely buy the T6 ships simply because it's something new, (with a caveat I'll talk about more in a moment) .
As far as my other ship purchases, ( the T5 ones that I bought with zen), the Truth is, Some I favor more than others, some, I hardly use.
The way I see it, I'll make a few decisions on which ones I want to upgrade for the new missions that require T6 ships.
I have a few secondary thoughts/questions/concerns though:
1. The price of the new T6 ships. On average, T5 ships have run 25 bucks a piece with ships packs costing more.
Ship Bundles haven't been the norm. so I was able to purchase them occasionally.
I'm not sure I want to pay MUCH MORE than 25 bucks. Have I in the past?, Yes I have, (occasionally)., but I personally can't sustain the habit if it were to become the new norm.
If they are a lot more, I guess I would be forced to spend/participate less than I would like to/than I have in the past. This would make me feel like I was missing out.
That can't be good if others are in the same situation, Cryptic will sell less ships.
2. The cost of upgrading T5 ships. I'm hoping that since there has already been an investment on these items, we're looking at something really REASONABLE to upgrade them. And I do mean REASONABLE to, otherwise I'd feel my investments in past zen purchases and fleet upgrades have been wasted. And I'd really think twice before purchasing another ship from the C store. Possibly spending less than I have in the past.
* Also, question/s:
How would the progression on this work? In other words, can I just take a t5 ship and chose to upgrade the ship to a t6 bypassing the fleet ships, OR is there a progression here? From T5, to fleet, to T6?
Will this be tied in with fleet holdings? I'm hoping it isn't myself.
3. Mirror Universe ships. They offered different Boff seats, more choices for players, that was they're appeal, they're draw. I really think it's a mistake to omit them from being eligible for the t6 upgrade.
I think that not only is it limiting choices for the players, but Cryptic is missing out on the additional revenue. Some players would upgrade these ships.
I'm also wondering how the upgrade is going to benefit ships that up till now, have been somewhat lacking. Like the Galaxy class.
T6 ships get an extra console slot, and something different with boff seats right?
Could this give the Galaxy what it needs? I'm wondering and HOPE the devs help this class out with the upgrade.
I mean REALLY help it out with changes player's have been asking for, otherwise what would the point be to upgrade it to T6?, it would fall even further behind. That would be a shame for an Iconic Trek ship in this player's opinion.
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Right! And if I wanted to make the most of the event (summer) we had to grind and wait when it came to birds and monkeys, aside from the ship. Albeit, the grind was more fun and a lot easier, but it was still grinding.
They still can and still would sell tier 6 ships. But like me, having heaps of c-store ships, i want to use some of them as tier 6, like the mogh, avenger, dyson ships, they arent even a yr old yet.
People would still buy tier 6 because they are new. Any other poor excuse why they cant do it or wont do it is because, well, they dont want to
Don't have time to read the forums any more - don't really care too much as my STO addiction has been broken:eek::)
But I still log into the game for 15 min once a week. Can anyone spell out any good reasons to come back more than that?
Virus - you still hanging around here? You are a true trooper!:P
Although that would be cheaper, I don't like that idea. I still need boat loads of dilithium for equipment and my fleet. If you remove the need for dilithium in those areas, then I might consider that.
The truth is exactly that. I agree.
You'd still have it for that. Like I said, a price of around 5000 or 2 or 3 foundry mission runs per ship the person wants to upgrade. I don't know who's stupid idea it was to make upgrades cost zen anyway but all they are doing is making cash shop ships even more unappealing.
Bad enough that the ship sets either have to be used without their consoles, making them sub par compared to other ships or use the consoles, strip off 3 regular consoles and make them even more sub par, now some goof tells us we have to pay even more zen to make the already weakened ships allllmost in line with a fleet T5. How about if they want to charge us zen for upgrades they give those ships 3 new console slots so we can keep our universal consoles without having to scrap others.
I totally agree with this statement. What's pissing so many people off right now is that the current T5 ships that they use and not even a year old yet won't be upgadable to T6. If they allowed us to do that, not only will it please a lot of people but they would be making a whole lot more money because we are willing to pay for them.
The free ships are not trade-able, they required an unavoidable grind already. And they were giving with the full knowledge of being free ships, kinda a gift (except not really, because it still required daily logging in and flying some loops). I see good reason that they are also upgraded for free.
Of course, you can surely convince Cryptic that they should also be upgradable only for money, see how many people would get happy about that. And guess how many people will feel interested in doing the next event ship if they have to expect that it will cost them money at some point.
If you bought a Tier 1, 2, 3, or 4 ship, or even a Tier 5 ship that has a Fleet version, you are already accustomed to paying for upgrades.
And in the end, the upgrade cost is what Cryptic uses to finance the expansion.
The thing to debate IMO is only wheter the upgrade is too cmoplicated (considering all the different fleet and non-fleet variants of ship that could get individual upgrades), and whether the upgrade really brings you up to the level you should be. I don't think the upgrade ships should lack the "bells & whistles", especially if the bells & whistles are actually a full BO power slot (if not a seat).
I also agree to this statement.
Basically you say that we are unable to master the T5 ships which we are flying for ages already - that's not a nice assumption.
And to all the people who said "This is a business, they have to make money!":
1.) People will still purchase T6 Ships same as they purchased T5 ships now.
2.) A company that makes billions (Market cap: $1.03B, Rev. per Employee: $116,854) imho can afford to be a little bit generous.
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