I vote not. I am a relatively casual player who can not log into STO for hours a day, but I do spend money on the game. I do not have dilithium coming out of my ears. If the upgrades cost dilithium, that effectively shuts me out because the exchange rate always favors dilithium vs zen and I need dilithium for other things. People are welcome to grind dilithium and trade it for zen.
IMO, there are other ways to address the costs. One is a reasonable charge for an account-wide upgrade that takes into account the fact that people have already paid money toward these ships. Free upgrades for customers who own both a T5 Retrofit and the Fleet version would be one way. Another is recognizing that not every ship has to be T5-U the moment Delta Rising launches. Taking advantage of future sales is another.
I'm not suggesting that I like the idea of paying another $15-30 to upgrade my 3-Pack Vestas, and I might decide not to. But ships that level up is kind of a big deal and I recognize they have to make money somehow. Still waiting for more details before I make up my mind.
dil would work better, especially if you raise the refine limit. But even as is. I would be paying at minium a fleet module for an upgrade that is WORTHLESS and do it tons of times. Not to mention half my fleet are mirror ships that get NO upgrade. Face Bluegeek, the guys you moderate for really screwed up here. But I do have a question. i chat with someone who knows PWE method's and has raised a question. Did this upgrade idea come from Cryptic or PWE?
But... For all we know, T5F-U ships are totally equivalent, maybe even stronger, than T6?
this...
lets not make requests until we actually know what that extra boff does. As it stands fleet t5u gets an extra console and extra hull and shields over t6.
But... For all we know, T5F-U ships are totally equivalent, maybe even stronger, than T6?
Only if you believe 100% that +1 console means up to 11 for T5-U and 10 for T6, that T6 will never be upgradeable to 11 consoles and that one console slot is worth as much as an additional boff power.
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Have you counted? Off those 2000+ posts its only about 50 unique people who have anger towards the T6 ship system. Nice try though.
Actually I can tell you haven't bothered counting yourself since without a formal count I know I've seen more than 50 unique accounts within the past 25 pages with either a voice of dissent or constructive criticism.
lets not make requests until we actually know what that extra boff does. As it stands fleet t5u gets an extra console and extra hull and shields over t6.
T6 also gets an extra boff ability, and an upgrade path into the future (T5-FU is a dead-end).
I do agree that some tweaks to the upgrade schedule would be needed. Assuming all 10-console ships got the upgrade at no-charge, and a full upgrade to T6 for $$:
T5-U free upgrade
10 consoles (no change, and same as base T6)
12 BOFF abilities (no change)
cannot use new BOFF class (no change)
scaled HP bonus
4 passives
T6 paid upgrade (becomes base T6)
10 consoles
13 BOFF abilities (+1 for T6)
uni BOFF stations able to use new BOFF powers
scaled HP bonus
5 passives/trait
This would mean that 10 console ships were able to get a little bit more survivability for free, allowing them to explore the new content, and give people a paid upgrade to full T6 for their favorite ship. T6 would provide extra value through the extra BOFF abilities and class, plus the 5th passive, plus the abilty to upgrade later with fleet modules and whatever.
I'll just point out here, all of the angst is from people who are being told that all of their prior contributions to STO finances mean nothing going forward. Cryptic needs to recognize this and fix it.
dil would work better, especially if you raise the refine limit. But even as is. I would be paying at minium a fleet module for an upgrade that is WORTHLESS and do it tons of times. Not to mention half my fleet are mirror ships that get NO upgrade. Face Bluegeek, the guys you moderate for really screwed up here. But I do have a question. i chat with someone who knows PWE method's and has raised a question. Did this upgrade idea come from Cryptic or PWE?
If you have been successfully using mirror ships against Fleet ships as you claim then you should have no problem using Fleet ships against T6, where the quality difference is significantly less.
Cryptic/Perfect World I really have to wonder... are you TRIBBLE? Do you actually think I'm going to pay you real money to upgrade what I've been grinding for the past 3 years (ever since you took over) just to continue grinding? You've robbed me of 2 master craftsmen, robbed me of what I earned in reputation, continue to pump out more grinding & honestly think I'm going to stick around for more?! I am not going to give you a dime unless you let me upgrade all my ships & gear to full T6 level & GUARANTEE me no more repeatable content. I am done grinding & to any fanboys who think all MMO's are a grind I got news for you- all MMO's are wrong. Perfect World has reported a 30% player drop off in PC games- gee I wonder why? PERHAPS IT"S BECAUSE ALL YOU DO IS SCAM US FOR MORE MONEY & PUT OUT NOTHING BUT MORE & MORE GRINDING? Perhaps it's your pathetic customer service? Perhaps it's all the endless bugs in this game that continue to go unfixed? Perhaps it's all that & more. I understand you're in business to make money but your current economic model is not working, since you all are the ones who reported the 30% drop off in PC game play. Time to change the business model & treat your long time customers with a hell of a lot more respect. Again, I will not pay you 1 cent if your plan is to shaft me from what I already earned & do nothing but introduce more "repeatable content". I will not pay you to grind more & am done with you.
Well here's an oldie but goodie... I completely agree with you.
If you have been successfully using mirror ships against Fleet ships as you claim then you should have no problem using Fleet ships against T6, where the quality difference is significantly less.
wow man, you really are stupid. a MU T5 ships vs T6. using current tiers as example MU would be T4 while T6 will be Fleet ship. You run that test and see how well you do. a T4 vs fleet.
IMO, there are other ways to address the costs. One is a reasonable charge for an account-wide upgrade that takes into account the fact that people have already paid money toward these ships. Free upgrades for customers who own both a T5 Retrofit and the Fleet version would be one way. Another is recognizing that not every ship has to be T5-U the moment Delta Rising launches. Taking advantage of future sales is another.
You and your logic, what do you think this is, Star Trek?
Oh, yeah, it is.
Anyway, I would pay $25 for an account wide unlock that would allow me to upgrade ALL my T5 C-Store ships to T5-U.
I do NOT like the idea of having to pay for each ship individually since I have a lot of T5 C-Store ships, including many of the 3 pack bundles.
On average, I wonder how many players buy more than 1 C-Store ship? More than 4? I can't imagine it's very many. Having a 'bundle' offer for those who do have more ships would be a step in the right direction. If they want to keep the "$5 to upgrade 1 ship" idea, fine. But after a certain amount, that $5 per ship is really going to add up, which I'm sure is part of the plan.
Imagine though, if they did offer a mass upgrade token that would be good for ALL the T5 ships on the account, both current and future, for say $25.
Players who have more than 5 ships would likely jump on that deal. I know *I* would.
Players who have exactly 5 ships might jump on the deal and maybe buy more T5 ships on top of that. Or perhaps just upgrade what they have and never buy anything else.
Players with fewer than 5 ships would probably take the individual upgrade fee. However they may be interested in getting other ships down the line, encouraging them to possibly spend more.
Not everyone is going to upgrade, some may just say forget it and hop on the T6 bandwagon or just keep running what they have now. Or quit, if posts in here are to be believed.
I'm sure that I'm an outlier having 24 alts and dozens of C-Store ships. I will likely upgrade all my T5 ships at some point. I may even buy some of the T6 ships, if they interest me enough. (Though I have to say, that Fed ship from the trailer looks SOOOO out of place. Interesting design, but not for a Star Trek game.)
While I'm not happy about the cost of upgrading, I do understand it. I'm not going to rage, but I won't take it lying down either which is why I'm posting in the first place. Offering some suggestions doesn't hurt either.
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T6 also gets an extra boff ability, and an upgrade path into the future (T5-FU is a dead-end).
I do agree that some tweaks to the upgrade schedule would be needed. Assuming all 10-console ships got the upgrade at no-charge, and a full upgrade to T6 for $$:
T5-U free upgrade
10 consoles (no change, and same as base T6)
12 BOFF abilities (no change)
cannot use new BOFF class (no change)
scaled HP bonus
4 passives
T6 paid upgrade (becomes base T6)
10 consoles
13 BOFF abilities (+1 for T6)
uni BOFF stations able to use new BOFF powers
scaled HP bonus
5 passives/trait
This would mean that 10 console ships were able to get a little bit more survivability for free, allowing them to explore the new content, and give people a paid upgrade to full T6 for their favorite ship. T6 would provide extra value through the extra BOFF abilities and class, plus the 5th passive, plus the abilty to upgrade later with fleet modules and whatever.
I'll just point out here, all of the angst is from people who are being told that all of their prior contributions to STO finances mean nothing going forward. Cryptic needs to recognize this and fix it.
I could go for that, but the "dead end" comment is a little over the top right now because we don't know.
You know, the more I read the blog, the less I'm understanding why there needs to be a T5-U at all. Why not just offer an upgrade module to FULL T6? So long as the costs are the same (buying T5 + Fleet Module + T6 Upgrade Module vs. buying new Tier 6), what's the difference?
So if (as an example) a Tier 6 ship is going to cost $30, you have 2 options;
1. Spend $30 on Tier 6 ship
2. Spend $20 for C-Store ship + $5 for Fleet Module + $5 for T6 Upgrade
Both equal the same thing. This way people could keep the ships they like and those who like the new designs can buy them.
I find nothing wrong with what you say. (even if I did, so what?) I, personally, don't want to pay for an upgrade. But if it's to full T6, I would reconsider.
You know, the more I read the blog, the less I'm understanding why there needs to be a T5-U at all. .
Except that Tier 6 ships are the only way to level up ship specialization to get an Active Ship trait. If they make every ship Tier 6, then they would have to come up with a unique Level 5 Ship Specialization Active Trait for every ship. That is ALOT od work. As it is they limited thier work to just getting Ship specializations to Level 4, which means 4 passive abilities, for each ship that gets T5-U10 and T5-U11. That is an enormous amount of work on it's own. Lets not work the poor guys to death. Especially if they plan on realease this is just weeks from now.
Let them see how this goes, it means that if things go well they can always add the T5 upgrades to T6 at a slower pace as time goes by.
They've already said what the upgrade plan is, and full T6 is not it. People should be grateful their tired T5/Fleet ships are getting an upgrade and stat boost at all. No other tier of ship ever has and they could have just as easily said no this time too.
Give an inch, want a mile,... some people are just never happy.
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They've already said what the upgrade plan is, and full T6 is not it. People should be grateful their tired T5/Fleet ships are getting an upgrade and stat boost at all. No other tier of ship ever has and they could have just as easily said no this time too.
Give an inch, want a mile,... some people are just never happy.
Yeah man, cryptic needs to just suck up the lack of buying activity until a full T6 line-up is ready
Except that Tier 6 ships are the only way to level up ship specialization to get an Active Ship trait. If they make every ship Tier 6, then they would have to come up with a unique Level 5 Ship Specialization Active Trait for every ship. That is ALOT od work. As it is they limited thier work to just getting Ship specializations to Level 4, which means 4 passive abilities, for each ship that gets T5-U10 and T5-U11. That is an enormous amount of work on it's own. Lets not work the poor guys to death. Especially if they plan on realease this is just weeks from now.
Let them see how this goes, it means that if things go well they can always add the T5 upgrades to T6 at a slower pace as time goes by.
How much work Cryptic/PWE has/have to do is not the player's responsibility or problem. Neither is their means of making money. They can always push back the release date if necessary. Cryptic/PWE is not entitled to anything from us. But, I do think waiting is a wise choice is this matter.
Except that Tier 6 ships are the only way to level up ship specialization to get an Active Ship trait. If they make every ship Tier 6, then they would have to come up with a unique Level 5 Ship Specialization Active Trait for every ship. That is ALOT od work. As it is they limited thier work to just getting Ship specializations to Level 4, which means 4 passive abilities, for each ship that gets T5-U10 and T5-U11. That is an enormous amount of work on it's own. Lets not work the poor guys to death. Especially if they plan on realease this is just weeks from now.
Let them see how this goes, it means that if things go well they can always add the T5 upgrades to T6 at a slower pace as time goes by.
Actually they don't. They only need convert the console ability each C-Store ship comes with to the active ability. That would satisfy so many others just to have a way to earn back that console slot for those who really like those console abilities that come locked to specific T5 ships.
All the brainstorming and coding the ability into the game ha been done, they just need to add code to give the option to use it without the console equipped.
Except that Tier 6 ships are the only way to level up ship specialization to get an Active Ship trait. If they make every ship Tier 6, then they would have to come up with a unique Level 5 Ship Specialization Active Trait for every ship. That is ALOT od work. As it is they limited thier work to just getting Ship specializations to Level 4, which means 4 passive abilities, for each ship that gets T5-U10 and T5-U11. That is an enormous amount of work on it's own. Lets not work the poor guys to death. Especially if they plan on realease this is just weeks from now.
Let them see how this goes, it means that if things go well they can always add the T5 upgrades to T6 at a slower pace as time goes by.
How much work Cryptic/PWE has/have to do is not the player's responsibility or problem. Neither is their means of making money. They can always push back the release date if necessary. Cryptic/PWE is not entitled to anything from us. But, I do think waiting is a wise choice is this matter.
I rather them delay the launch and scrap this upgrade idea AND THOSE T6 SHIPS. Again Cryptic, PWE LISTEN TO YOUR CUSTOMERS.
I normally avoid forums, but this whole T6 and T5-FU thing has forced me to log in to something other than the game itself.
I honestly don't know why they're not offering a PAID complete T6 upgrade to any ship in the game. I get it that they want to make money...but their model for doing so is rather terrible.
Clearly T6 and T6 content will cause people to buy ships...no question. But why limit it to the new designs that look like ships from Tron universe mated with ships from Battlestar Galactica universe?
Let people pay to completely convert any ship in the game to T6...and don't give me the "cannon" argument. This game is so far from cannon at this point that I don't even consider it Trek any more.
You want a T6 Miranda? Sure, that'll be 3000 Zen to upgrade.
A T6 Galaxy-X you say? Sure, that'll be 3000 Zen to upgrade.
You actually like the T6 Tronstargalactica ships? Sure, That'll be 3000 Zen.
If you let people use the hulls that they want to use...you'll make MORE money. If cosmetics are not a way to make money, then why do we have 50 billion different uniforms that all cost 500 Zen to unlock? Why is this a difficult concept?
Greetings,
As the upgrade tab has been revealed, upgraded T5 ships shall not have half of things T6 shall have. (It has not be told if the tab shown in the blog is applied to the C-Store ships) Also, I think those unique T6 ship features are the most important and shall be a requirement to play PvP.
There is no way to call it any good as the players are paying not only for the stats but for the looks too.
Please, request a proper T6 upgrade for the existing T5 ships. Most of them are canon and are the nicest ships in the game. If the developers are holding those unique functions to force people to buy proper T6 ships, why simply not to rise the price of the T5 ship upgrade? Make it to cost 2000 zen to upgrade T5 ship, or even 2500, but to have a proper upgrade.
Thanks
It's amazing how you know they will be a requirement for PvP when no info on them has been released! You must work for Cryptic and know what we don't right? Or you know a dev who is leaking information?
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
They always say how they want the game to be easy to understand for new players blah blah blah. Splitting one tier of ships into 5* different tiers in essence is very complicated. And imagine what happens when there are fleet T6 ships and upgrades for those and their standard versions ! Madness !
How much work Cryptic/PWE has/have to do is not the player's responsibility or problem. Neither is their means of making money. They can always push back the release date if necessary. Cryptic/PWE is not entitled to anything from us. But, I do think waiting is a wise choice is this matter.
It may not be our responsibility but it is our problem. If they keep pushing back a release date, then eventually people will leave out pure boredom of nothing new to do. WOW is currently suffering from that as they haven't released anything new in nearly 2 years. and they have lost around 1 million subs. STO doesn't have those numbers, from all indications, and so can't afford long delays between content release, or they will suffer the same problem as WOW and loose not only subs, but people able to buy something new from the c-store.
wow man, you really are stupid. a MU T5 ships vs T6. using current tiers as example MU would be T4 while T6 will be Fleet ship. You run that test and see how well you do. a T4 vs fleet.
Wow man, insulting and completely ignorant. YOU said you were using mirror ships now when the highest is Fleet, meaning mirror ships against T5.5 ships. I said using Fleet vs T6, or T5.5 vs T6. Dont even understand how you could possibly claim Fleet ships are T6 right now when T6 doesnt even exist.
Mirror ships have a SIGNIFICANT stat and console difference against Fleet ships while Fleet ships will have identical stats and consoles to T6, missing only the 13th boff and non-performance gimmicks.
YOU are the one running T4 (mirror) ships against Fleet ships right now, not me. Or you were lying this whole time.
It may not be our responsibility but it is our problem. If they keep pushing back a release date, then eventually people will leave out pure boredom of nothing new to do. WOW is currently suffering from that as they haven't released anything new in nearly 2 years. and they have lost around 1 million subs. STO doesn't have those numbers, from all indications, and so can't afford long delays between content release, or they will suffer the same problem as WOW and loose not only subs, but people able to buy something new from the c-store.
Lol. People are already leaving out of pure boredom. That's inevitable at this point.
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dil would work better, especially if you raise the refine limit. But even as is. I would be paying at minium a fleet module for an upgrade that is WORTHLESS and do it tons of times. Not to mention half my fleet are mirror ships that get NO upgrade. Face Bluegeek, the guys you moderate for really screwed up here. But I do have a question. i chat with someone who knows PWE method's and has raised a question. Did this upgrade idea come from Cryptic or PWE?
this...
lets not make requests until we actually know what that extra boff does. As it stands fleet t5u gets an extra console and extra hull and shields over t6.
Only if you believe 100% that +1 console means up to 11 for T5-U and 10 for T6, that T6 will never be upgradeable to 11 consoles and that one console slot is worth as much as an additional boff power.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
Actually I can tell you haven't bothered counting yourself since without a formal count I know I've seen more than 50 unique accounts within the past 25 pages with either a voice of dissent or constructive criticism.
Everyone seems to enjoy saying that, but the only confirmed part of that statement by Cryptic is the extra console slot.
T6 also gets an extra boff ability, and an upgrade path into the future (T5-FU is a dead-end).
I do agree that some tweaks to the upgrade schedule would be needed. Assuming all 10-console ships got the upgrade at no-charge, and a full upgrade to T6 for $$:
T5-U free upgrade
10 consoles (no change, and same as base T6)
12 BOFF abilities (no change)
cannot use new BOFF class (no change)
scaled HP bonus
4 passives
T6 paid upgrade (becomes base T6)
10 consoles
13 BOFF abilities (+1 for T6)
uni BOFF stations able to use new BOFF powers
scaled HP bonus
5 passives/trait
This would mean that 10 console ships were able to get a little bit more survivability for free, allowing them to explore the new content, and give people a paid upgrade to full T6 for their favorite ship. T6 would provide extra value through the extra BOFF abilities and class, plus the 5th passive, plus the abilty to upgrade later with fleet modules and whatever.
I'll just point out here, all of the angst is from people who are being told that all of their prior contributions to STO finances mean nothing going forward. Cryptic needs to recognize this and fix it.
If you have been successfully using mirror ships against Fleet ships as you claim then you should have no problem using Fleet ships against T6, where the quality difference is significantly less.
Well here's an oldie but goodie... I completely agree with you.
And the answer is, a fair bit, although it could be worse.
A lot, an awful lot, depends on the price point.
Apparently they're looking at something in the 500-1000 zen range.
IMO, 500 is doable but 1000 will put me off.
However, I would point out that the Risian and Breen ships are all ten console and get a free upgrade to eleven.
May not be ideal, but if you have one you can fly a free T5U day one......
wow man, you really are stupid. a MU T5 ships vs T6. using current tiers as example MU would be T4 while T6 will be Fleet ship. You run that test and see how well you do. a T4 vs fleet.
Keep the dream alive bro. Maybe they really will take care of you someday.
You and your logic, what do you think this is, Star Trek?
Oh, yeah, it is.
Anyway, I would pay $25 for an account wide unlock that would allow me to upgrade ALL my T5 C-Store ships to T5-U.
I do NOT like the idea of having to pay for each ship individually since I have a lot of T5 C-Store ships, including many of the 3 pack bundles.
On average, I wonder how many players buy more than 1 C-Store ship? More than 4? I can't imagine it's very many. Having a 'bundle' offer for those who do have more ships would be a step in the right direction. If they want to keep the "$5 to upgrade 1 ship" idea, fine. But after a certain amount, that $5 per ship is really going to add up, which I'm sure is part of the plan.
Imagine though, if they did offer a mass upgrade token that would be good for ALL the T5 ships on the account, both current and future, for say $25.
Players who have more than 5 ships would likely jump on that deal. I know *I* would.
Players who have exactly 5 ships might jump on the deal and maybe buy more T5 ships on top of that. Or perhaps just upgrade what they have and never buy anything else.
Players with fewer than 5 ships would probably take the individual upgrade fee. However they may be interested in getting other ships down the line, encouraging them to possibly spend more.
Not everyone is going to upgrade, some may just say forget it and hop on the T6 bandwagon or just keep running what they have now. Or quit, if posts in here are to be believed.
I'm sure that I'm an outlier having 24 alts and dozens of C-Store ships. I will likely upgrade all my T5 ships at some point. I may even buy some of the T6 ships, if they interest me enough. (Though I have to say, that Fed ship from the trailer looks SOOOO out of place. Interesting design, but not for a Star Trek game.)
While I'm not happy about the cost of upgrading, I do understand it. I'm not going to rage, but I won't take it lying down either which is why I'm posting in the first place. Offering some suggestions doesn't hurt either.
Set a man on fire and keep him warm for the rest of his life.
I could go for that, but the "dead end" comment is a little over the top right now because we don't know.
I find nothing wrong with what you say. (even if I did, so what?) I, personally, don't want to pay for an upgrade. But if it's to full T6, I would reconsider.
Except that Tier 6 ships are the only way to level up ship specialization to get an Active Ship trait. If they make every ship Tier 6, then they would have to come up with a unique Level 5 Ship Specialization Active Trait for every ship. That is ALOT od work. As it is they limited thier work to just getting Ship specializations to Level 4, which means 4 passive abilities, for each ship that gets T5-U10 and T5-U11. That is an enormous amount of work on it's own. Lets not work the poor guys to death. Especially if they plan on realease this is just weeks from now.
Let them see how this goes, it means that if things go well they can always add the T5 upgrades to T6 at a slower pace as time goes by.
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RR-Fed: Citizen Sirroc (Romulan Science)::Fleet Admiral Grell (Alien Engineer)
RR-KDF: Fleet Admiral Zemo (Reman Tactical)::Fleet Admiral Xinatek (Reman Science)::Fleet Admiral Bel (Alien Engineer)
TOS-Fed: Fleet Admiral Katem (Andorian Tactical)::Lieutenant Commander Straad (Vulcan Engineer)
Dom-Fed: Dan'Tar (Jem'Hadar Science)
Dom-KDF: Kamtana'Solan (Jem'Hadar Science)
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Give an inch, want a mile,... some people are just never happy.
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
How much work Cryptic/PWE has/have to do is not the player's responsibility or problem. Neither is their means of making money. They can always push back the release date if necessary. Cryptic/PWE is not entitled to anything from us. But, I do think waiting is a wise choice is this matter.
Actually they don't. They only need convert the console ability each C-Store ship comes with to the active ability. That would satisfy so many others just to have a way to earn back that console slot for those who really like those console abilities that come locked to specific T5 ships.
All the brainstorming and coding the ability into the game ha been done, they just need to add code to give the option to use it without the console equipped.
I rather them delay the launch and scrap this upgrade idea AND THOSE T6 SHIPS. Again Cryptic, PWE LISTEN TO YOUR CUSTOMERS.
I honestly don't know why they're not offering a PAID complete T6 upgrade to any ship in the game. I get it that they want to make money...but their model for doing so is rather terrible.
Clearly T6 and T6 content will cause people to buy ships...no question. But why limit it to the new designs that look like ships from Tron universe mated with ships from Battlestar Galactica universe?
Let people pay to completely convert any ship in the game to T6...and don't give me the "cannon" argument. This game is so far from cannon at this point that I don't even consider it Trek any more.
You want a T6 Miranda? Sure, that'll be 3000 Zen to upgrade.
A T6 Galaxy-X you say? Sure, that'll be 3000 Zen to upgrade.
You actually like the T6 Tronstargalactica ships? Sure, That'll be 3000 Zen.
If you let people use the hulls that they want to use...you'll make MORE money. If cosmetics are not a way to make money, then why do we have 50 billion different uniforms that all cost 500 Zen to unlock? Why is this a difficult concept?
It's amazing how you know they will be a requirement for PvP when no info on them has been released! You must work for Cryptic and know what we don't right? Or you know a dev who is leaking information?
* T5 non-upgradable, T5, T5-F, T5-U and T5-FU
It may not be our responsibility but it is our problem. If they keep pushing back a release date, then eventually people will leave out pure boredom of nothing new to do. WOW is currently suffering from that as they haven't released anything new in nearly 2 years. and they have lost around 1 million subs. STO doesn't have those numbers, from all indications, and so can't afford long delays between content release, or they will suffer the same problem as WOW and loose not only subs, but people able to buy something new from the c-store.
KDF: Dahar Master Kan (Borg Klingon Tactical)::Dahar Master Torc (Alien Science)::Dahar Master Sisteric (Gorn Engineer)
RR-Fed: Citizen Sirroc (Romulan Science)::Fleet Admiral Grell (Alien Engineer)
RR-KDF: Fleet Admiral Zemo (Reman Tactical)::Fleet Admiral Xinatek (Reman Science)::Fleet Admiral Bel (Alien Engineer)
TOS-Fed: Fleet Admiral Katem (Andorian Tactical)::Lieutenant Commander Straad (Vulcan Engineer)
Dom-Fed: Dan'Tar (Jem'Hadar Science)
Dom-KDF: Kamtana'Solan (Jem'Hadar Science)
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Wow man, insulting and completely ignorant. YOU said you were using mirror ships now when the highest is Fleet, meaning mirror ships against T5.5 ships. I said using Fleet vs T6, or T5.5 vs T6. Dont even understand how you could possibly claim Fleet ships are T6 right now when T6 doesnt even exist.
Mirror ships have a SIGNIFICANT stat and console difference against Fleet ships while Fleet ships will have identical stats and consoles to T6, missing only the 13th boff and non-performance gimmicks.
YOU are the one running T4 (mirror) ships against Fleet ships right now, not me. Or you were lying this whole time.
Lol. People are already leaving out of pure boredom. That's inevitable at this point.