Actually they don't. They only need convert the console ability each C-Store ship comes with to the active ability. That would satisfy so many others just to have a way to earn back that console slot for those who really like those console abilities that come locked to specific T5 ships.
All the brainstorming and coding the ability into the game ha been done, they just need to add code to give the option to use it without the console equipped.
If they did that, then you get the problem of TRIBBLE with people builds. You also make it so that they can't create sets based on getting combinations of these consoles and the powers that are granted from that.
The amount of work they would have to do to change the code to make that happen would be enourmous too. It's not that simple.
I am not a game coder, but I am a System Admininstrator and Admin Administrator for three different Private Colleges. And the amount of coding just to change things for one person to do something new can get lengthy at times.
They know the code of this better than we do. Let them make the changes in a timely fashion. And then adjust over time to make thinks right.
Wow so many of us slaved for weeks or shelled out a lot of money on lockbox/lobi ships and bugships, to not have them be top tier anymore for free is unacceptable, this is a huge rip-off and is not going to encourage us to buy new ships it will encourage people to leave.
Wow man, insulting and completely ignorant. YOU said you were using mirror ships now when the highest is Fleet, meaning mirror ships against T5.5 ships. I said using Fleet vs T6, or T5.5 vs T6. Dont even understand how you could possibly claim Fleet ships are T6 right now when T6 doesnt even exist.
Mirror ships have a SIGNIFICANT stat and console difference against Fleet ships while Fleet ships will have identical stats and consoles to T6, missing only the 13th boff and non-performance gimmicks.
YOU are the one running T4 (mirror) ships against Fleet ships right now, not me. Or you were lying this whole time.
Would you agree a T3 ship has significally less stats and consoles and BOFF's than a Scimitar? And yet I PVP'ed with my T3 Klingon ship with my Kling ENg against a Scimitar and our team won. It was a close fight. And I did better than some of the T5 ships that were in the fight. I was middle of the pack in kills and had less death's than anyone else.
Ship Tiers and Skill all affect the experience. But Skill can make up for lack of Tiers. And gear loadout can make a diffence too when it comes to Ship Tiers.
I See the T6 being the same flying a fleet ship verus current content. And I don't have a single fleet ship and do very well with my free ships. I can even consistantly get 3rd place in the current CE event with my Gorn Engineer flying the Risian Luxury Cruiser. And it's not fully decked out with purple XII weapons or gear. Nor does it have any complete sets. But I do know how to use what I have put together on that ship very well.
Putting in the time and planing will make any ship competative to any other ship. When looking at ships with One or two Tiers of each other. Loadouts and Skill will be more determinate as factor.
Lol. People are already leaving out of pure boredom. That's inevitable at this point.
I don't that as fact, but I can agree that a certain amount of Boredom has crept into this due to lack of challenging content and the trend towards grinding for things overall.
And that crafting is not very casual friendly, and any number of other bigger issues that are out there than gear progression.
It may not be our responsibility but it is our problem. If they keep pushing back a release date, then eventually people will leave out pure boredom of nothing new to do. WOW is currently suffering from that as they haven't released anything new in nearly 2 years. and they have lost around 1 million subs. STO doesn't have those numbers, from all indications, and so can't afford long delays between content release, or they will suffer the same problem as WOW and loose not only subs, but people able to buy something new from the c-store.
but what's better. a delay for a bit or a patch release that NO ONE WANTS? I think the answer is obivous. people are leaving the game now with what they know Greed Rising is bring to the game.
Wow so many of us slaved for weeks or shelled out a lot of money on lockbox/lobi ships and bugships, to not have them be top tier anymore for free is unacceptable, this is a huge rip-off and is not going to encourage us to buy new ships it will encourage people to leave.
Eh...they're free to upgrade, just not tier 6, but arguably lower value T5U.
I won't use a ship that dose not appeal to me regardless of the awesome bells and whistles. If I cannot pay to upgrade the T5 ship I want, then Star Trek Online, as a consumer product, has gone where no business model has ever survived!
Remember New Coke? That worked real well, didn't it!
It's more than that. 50 is a complete lie. But, whatever. It's not like anybody will listen to them, or anyone for that matter. It seems any time someone disagrees with this "change" you and your buddies jump all over them as if they're the bad guy. They have a right to speak their mind and not be berated by defenders of cryptic/PWE... Including me. The forums are suppose to be a place where people can speak their mind and not be subjected to your guys' behavior. I won't name names, but you know who you are, and if you don't, someone else will eventually tell you.
Not sure where in my post I jumped on anyone as being the "bad guy," I'm merely pointing out that the forums represent a very small portion of the STO community, either way. This is by far not the "mass majority" that you seem to think it is.
Not sure where in my post I jumped on anyone as being the "bad guy," I'm merely pointing out that the forums represent a very small portion of the STO community, either way. This is by far not the "mass majority" that you seem to think it is.
I don't "think" it is. I know it is, and there are plenty of people both in the forums and in-game that feel exactly the same way.
You, personally, might not have been getting on people's cases but there were many with similar reasoning and ideas as yours that were. So I apologize for putting guilt by association on you.
Do you fly any Fleet ships? Yes?
Did you buy the Standard version first (even if it was just for the discount for multiple toons to buy Fleet versions)? Yes?
What's your complaint then?
No, All my toons fly event reward ships, and only ONE gets a no-cost upgrade. The others must actually BUY a fleet version before they're eligible for an upgrade. But at least my NON-FLEET version ship incites massive rage in ESTF's which is about the only fun I still have in STO.
Captains, there is quite enough going on in this thread without going off-topic. Please stay on topic and refrain from any discussion about what the 'majority' is or anything else not directly related to the T5 upgrades.
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Captains, there is quite enough going on in this thread without going off-topic. Please stay on topic and refrain from any discussion about what the 'majority' is or anything else not directly related to the T5 upgrades.
That, of all things, is what you consider off topic? ......wow. The "discussion" was on the amount of opinions and ideas on the Tier 5 upgrades. Which is exactly what Smirk did/does to give feedback to the developers. That is still on-topic. There have been remarks about ship superiority outside of the upgrade. How is that, on-topic?
This isn't so much a game anymore as a Product... I am tired of being Nickle'd and Dime'd for every half baked feature...
THE DREADNAUGHT COST 20$ !!!
That is 20 dollars... for the ship...Alone... and your going to cahrge me what... Another 5 dollars to upgrade it so it can keep up with the new expanion? That is not balanced ITS EXTORTION.
This isn't so much a game anymore as a Product... I am tired of being Nickle'd and Dime'd for every half baked feature...
THE DREADNAUGHT COST 20$ !!!
That is 20 dollars... for the ship...Alone... and your going to cahrge me what... Another 5 dollars to upgrade it so it can keep up with the new expanion? That is not balanced ITS EXTORTION.
I agree with you, but not to diminish your opinion, Fleet ships are more of a cash grab than Dreadnoughts. 2000 zen(C-Store ship) + 500zen (Fleet Ship Module) +500 zen (half upgrade) = 3000 zen. 500 zen > 2500 zen to upgrade your Dreadnought. Either way, I agree with you and feel, as it has been put before, Zynga-licious
I do not have problem whit the T6 ship i`me glad but i do thing that the T5-U and the T5-FU
need to have access full Ship Mastery (the very least the T5 Canon ships) and not to have it to the new doff because there not build for thews (teaching babel).
I do like the idea that ship can increase the levels and get new skills and get batter over time for the fuhrer i`ts going to be easy to upgrade them and revamp them so cryptic get points for this
Not sure where in my post I jumped on anyone as being the "bad guy," I'm merely pointing out that the forums represent a very small portion of the STO community, either way. This is by far not the "mass majority" that you seem to think it is.
when this first came out there was a substancally drop in active players. i say it's more then a small minority that hates this idea.
Captains, there is quite enough going on in this thread without going off-topic. Please stay on topic and refrain from any discussion about what the 'majority' is or anything else not directly related to the T5 upgrades.
Looks pretty on topic to me...the MAJORITY of us vet players who have put in serious money to support this game think this kind of financial extortion is complete horsesh!t.
I doubt it with how good players are. Stat wise it might appeal, but in actual application that's an entirely different story. We will have to wait and see.
This was mentioned a ways up but deserves repeating so hopefully the devs will get it
People don't want to use the Robocop-Cylon wannabe designs. They want the Defiant. They want the Rotarran. They want the N'ventnar. They want their ship, not the new designs, and they have bonded with their ships for four years. Four. That's countless hours, countless victories, and countless defeats.
Print this out and paste it over the whiteboard that contains all the great ideas for new T6 ships... START there and work up.
Give me a top end T6 Sovereign and I'll buy it... A T6 connie and I'll buy 10. However the the Cryptic ship designers have gone off the deep end pushing for "different and exciting designs" Just because it's different and gets people excited doesn't mean it's good.
This was mentioned a ways up but deserves repeating so hopefully the devs will get it
People don't want to use the Robocop-Cylon wannabe designs. They want the Defiant. They want the Rotarran. They want the N'ventnar. They want their ship, not the new designs, and they have bonded with their ships for four years. Four. That's countless hours, countless victories, and countless defeats.
Print this out and paste it over the whiteboard that contains all the great ideas for new T6 ships... START there and work up.
Give me a top end T6 Sovereign and I'll buy it... A T6 connie and I'll buy 10. However the the Cryptic ship designers have gone off the deep end pushing for "different and exciting designs" Just because it's different and gets people excited doesn't mean it's good.
I would be happy with a Typhoon, and there are people who would be happy with a Jupiter.
Eh...they're free to upgrade, just not tier 6, but arguably lower value T5U.
Not all of them, not a single MU ship on the list that I can see. And the event ships they rolled into the fleet system aren't free either. Look at my sig- a FREE 10 console Chel Grett is upgraded for FREE, a 9 console Kamarag event ship is 2K zen PLUS whatever their upgrade fee is.
Not gonna happen, but if ships levelled up all the way from T1 there wouldn't be an issue here.
btw... I'd expect this thread to get the merge treatment at some point. A lot of threads already to sort out.
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A T6 Connie would get me buying also. Considering we have a lot of different faction ships, I would like to see the MU ships come in T6 form also, even if it were a Z-Store purchase. A T6 Warship Voyager definitely seems appropriate in my opinion also. There are so many ships that are missing from STO or just missing from the top level. I agree that ships that are not in the game yet that are canon and ships that are in the game but not available at the top level be made available before adding in these home brew designs that don't look like they belong in this game.
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It's amazing how you know they will be a requirement for PvP when no info on them has been released! You must work for Cryptic and know what we don't right? Or you know a dev who is leaking information?
I feel pretty confident my upgraded Vesta with an extra console will hold her own. I could add more shields and swap out something for more hull defense and maybe 1 trait swap and she will be much stouter still in comparison to her foes now.
The T'varo also will be fine because it will seldom get hit.
The others, yeah, they probably will struggle.
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I agree with you, and then some. Every 10-console ship should get the half-upgrade to T5-FU for no-charge, and be able to purchase an upgrade to full T6 if they wish. This would give a reason to continue buying T5 ships, which would help cryptic and players alike during the transition period.
Note to fanbois: this is not asking for free upgrade to T6
I said virtually the same thing in an another thread earlier so I cant help but agree.
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This was mentioned a ways up but deserves repeating so hopefully the devs will get it
People don't want to use the Robocop-Cylon wannabe designs. They want the Defiant. They want the Rotarran. They want the N'ventnar. They want their ship, not the new designs, and they have bonded with their ships for four years. Four. That's countless hours, countless victories, and countless defeats.
Print this out and paste it over the whiteboard that contains all the great ideas for new T6 ships... START there and work up.
Give me a top end T6 Sovereign and I'll buy it... A T6 connie and I'll buy 10. However the the Cryptic ship designers have gone off the deep end pushing for "different and exciting designs" Just because it's different and gets people excited doesn't mean it's good.
AMEN. The uproar is because we want to fly the ship of our choice and still be AS GOOD, not have some cryptic mandated T6 ship forced on us. Let existing ships upgrade to T6, even at cost, and these threads wouldn't be hundreds of pages long.
Looks pretty on topic to me...the MAJORITY of us vet players who have put in serious money to support this game think this kind of financial extortion is complete horsesh!t.
I don't see how it's extortion....
Will you get one-shotted endlessly in the new stuff without a T6 ship? no. It'll simply be slightly more challenging that otherwise.
It's amazing how you know they will be a requirement for PvP when no info on them has been released! You must work for Cryptic and know what we don't right? Or you know a dev who is leaking information?
It has been told already that an upgraded T5 ship shall lack extra bridge officer ability. Not the specialist one, but the ability slot for a regular bridge station station.
Beside additional bo station, T6 shall get unique Specialist officer station. It is a way better than the upgraded T5.
Only one single additional regular bo station ability shows that T6 is overpowered towards T5. This ability can be anything, Eng Team, Sci Team or a copy of a skill you are using already to cut its cd.
Still it is unknown what kind of skill shall have Specialist. Doubt those shall give only cosmetic effect.
For now, upgraded T5 compared to T6 seems to be as good as the current free lvl40 Star Cruiser against Galor.
If developers want to make many it is ok. Give a proper update for the T5 to become real, full T6 and feel free to charge for it.
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If they did that, then you get the problem of TRIBBLE with people builds. You also make it so that they can't create sets based on getting combinations of these consoles and the powers that are granted from that.
The amount of work they would have to do to change the code to make that happen would be enourmous too. It's not that simple.
I am not a game coder, but I am a System Admininstrator and Admin Administrator for three different Private Colleges. And the amount of coding just to change things for one person to do something new can get lengthy at times.
They know the code of this better than we do. Let them make the changes in a timely fashion. And then adjust over time to make thinks right.
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Would you agree a T3 ship has significally less stats and consoles and BOFF's than a Scimitar? And yet I PVP'ed with my T3 Klingon ship with my Kling ENg against a Scimitar and our team won. It was a close fight. And I did better than some of the T5 ships that were in the fight. I was middle of the pack in kills and had less death's than anyone else.
Ship Tiers and Skill all affect the experience. But Skill can make up for lack of Tiers. And gear loadout can make a diffence too when it comes to Ship Tiers.
I See the T6 being the same flying a fleet ship verus current content. And I don't have a single fleet ship and do very well with my free ships. I can even consistantly get 3rd place in the current CE event with my Gorn Engineer flying the Risian Luxury Cruiser. And it's not fully decked out with purple XII weapons or gear. Nor does it have any complete sets. But I do know how to use what I have put together on that ship very well.
Putting in the time and planing will make any ship competative to any other ship. When looking at ships with One or two Tiers of each other. Loadouts and Skill will be more determinate as factor.
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RR-Fed: Citizen Sirroc (Romulan Science)::Fleet Admiral Grell (Alien Engineer)
RR-KDF: Fleet Admiral Zemo (Reman Tactical)::Fleet Admiral Xinatek (Reman Science)::Fleet Admiral Bel (Alien Engineer)
TOS-Fed: Fleet Admiral Katem (Andorian Tactical)::Lieutenant Commander Straad (Vulcan Engineer)
Dom-Fed: Dan'Tar (Jem'Hadar Science)
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I don't that as fact, but I can agree that a certain amount of Boredom has crept into this due to lack of challenging content and the trend towards grinding for things overall.
And that crafting is not very casual friendly, and any number of other bigger issues that are out there than gear progression.
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RR-Fed: Citizen Sirroc (Romulan Science)::Fleet Admiral Grell (Alien Engineer)
RR-KDF: Fleet Admiral Zemo (Reman Tactical)::Fleet Admiral Xinatek (Reman Science)::Fleet Admiral Bel (Alien Engineer)
TOS-Fed: Fleet Admiral Katem (Andorian Tactical)::Lieutenant Commander Straad (Vulcan Engineer)
Dom-Fed: Dan'Tar (Jem'Hadar Science)
Dom-KDF: Kamtana'Solan (Jem'Hadar Science)
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but what's better. a delay for a bit or a patch release that NO ONE WANTS? I think the answer is obivous. people are leaving the game now with what they know Greed Rising is bring to the game.
Eh...they're free to upgrade, just not tier 6, but arguably lower value T5U.
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Not sure where in my post I jumped on anyone as being the "bad guy," I'm merely pointing out that the forums represent a very small portion of the STO community, either way. This is by far not the "mass majority" that you seem to think it is.
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I don't "think" it is. I know it is, and there are plenty of people both in the forums and in-game that feel exactly the same way.
You, personally, might not have been getting on people's cases but there were many with similar reasoning and ideas as yours that were. So I apologize for putting guilt by association on you.
No, All my toons fly event reward ships, and only ONE gets a no-cost upgrade. The others must actually BUY a fleet version before they're eligible for an upgrade. But at least my NON-FLEET version ship incites massive rage in ESTF's which is about the only fun I still have in STO.
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That, of all things, is what you consider off topic? ......wow. The "discussion" was on the amount of opinions and ideas on the Tier 5 upgrades. Which is exactly what Smirk did/does to give feedback to the developers. That is still on-topic. There have been remarks about ship superiority outside of the upgrade. How is that, on-topic?
This isn't so much a game anymore as a Product... I am tired of being Nickle'd and Dime'd for every half baked feature...
THE DREADNAUGHT COST 20$ !!!
That is 20 dollars... for the ship...Alone... and your going to cahrge me what... Another 5 dollars to upgrade it so it can keep up with the new expanion? That is not balanced ITS EXTORTION.
I agree with you, but not to diminish your opinion, Fleet ships are more of a cash grab than Dreadnoughts. 2000 zen(C-Store ship) + 500zen (Fleet Ship Module) +500 zen (half upgrade) = 3000 zen. 500 zen > 2500 zen to upgrade your Dreadnought. Either way, I agree with you and feel, as it has been put before, Zynga-licious
need to have access full Ship Mastery (the very least the T5 Canon ships) and not to have it to the new doff because there not build for thews (teaching babel).
I do like the idea that ship can increase the levels and get new skills and get batter over time for the fuhrer i`ts going to be easy to upgrade them and revamp them so cryptic get points for this
when this first came out there was a substancally drop in active players. i say it's more then a small minority that hates this idea.
Looks pretty on topic to me...the MAJORITY of us vet players who have put in serious money to support this game think this kind of financial extortion is complete horsesh!t.
Maybe .
I doubt it with how good players are. Stat wise it might appeal, but in actual application that's an entirely different story. We will have to wait and see.
People don't want to use the Robocop-Cylon wannabe designs. They want the Defiant. They want the Rotarran. They want the N'ventnar. They want their ship, not the new designs, and they have bonded with their ships for four years. Four. That's countless hours, countless victories, and countless defeats.
Print this out and paste it over the whiteboard that contains all the great ideas for new T6 ships... START there and work up.
Give me a top end T6 Sovereign and I'll buy it... A T6 connie and I'll buy 10. However the the Cryptic ship designers have gone off the deep end pushing for "different and exciting designs" Just because it's different and gets people excited doesn't mean it's good.
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I would be happy with a Typhoon, and there are people who would be happy with a Jupiter.
Not all of them, not a single MU ship on the list that I can see. And the event ships they rolled into the fleet system aren't free either. Look at my sig- a FREE 10 console Chel Grett is upgraded for FREE, a 9 console Kamarag event ship is 2K zen PLUS whatever their upgrade fee is.
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btw... I'd expect this thread to get the merge treatment at some point. A lot of threads already to sort out.
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I feel pretty confident my upgraded Vesta with an extra console will hold her own. I could add more shields and swap out something for more hull defense and maybe 1 trait swap and she will be much stouter still in comparison to her foes now.
The T'varo also will be fine because it will seldom get hit.
The others, yeah, they probably will struggle.
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I said virtually the same thing in an another thread earlier so I cant help but agree.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
AMEN. The uproar is because we want to fly the ship of our choice and still be AS GOOD, not have some cryptic mandated T6 ship forced on us. Let existing ships upgrade to T6, even at cost, and these threads wouldn't be hundreds of pages long.
Will you get one-shotted endlessly in the new stuff without a T6 ship? no. It'll simply be slightly more challenging that otherwise.
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It has been told already that an upgraded T5 ship shall lack extra bridge officer ability. Not the specialist one, but the ability slot for a regular bridge station station.
Beside additional bo station, T6 shall get unique Specialist officer station. It is a way better than the upgraded T5.
Only one single additional regular bo station ability shows that T6 is overpowered towards T5. This ability can be anything, Eng Team, Sci Team or a copy of a skill you are using already to cut its cd.
Still it is unknown what kind of skill shall have Specialist. Doubt those shall give only cosmetic effect.
For now, upgraded T5 compared to T6 seems to be as good as the current free lvl40 Star Cruiser against Galor.
If developers want to make many it is ok. Give a proper update for the T5 to become real, full T6 and feel free to charge for it.
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