Why should we pay more to upgrade the ships we had to purchase when we we had to spend 25 bucks or more in order to get the ships in the first place?
Er...because it's an upgrade? I mean, it's not a question that should require an answer as it's not a question that makes sense to ask in the first place...
Er...because it's an upgrade? I mean, it's not a question that should require an answer as it's not a question that makes sense to ask in the first place...
Er, they weren't sold as "require upgrades in the future"?
$25 for ship + $5 for modules + $10 for T5U = $40 for 2nd rate ship that will at some point soonish be 3rd or 4th rate and useless endgame.
To say nothing of say wanting to upgrade 1 cruiser, 1 escort, 1 sci ship per faction - that's whooping $90 real life cash for pixels that don't even give you a guarantee they will last for 6 months.
Talk about something for nothing.
I can get better value for my money elsewhere and by the tone of posts in this thread I am not the only one.
Er, they weren't sold as "require upgrades in the future"?
Sure they were...if you had been making this complaint before S6, that would be one thing. That Fleet versions have been available for over two years...well...so sure they've been sold that way.
And the funny thing is, with all the griping - you basically ignore that they did not have to offer an upgrade option...
Here's something I'm going to say once before jumping off for the night as it's 2:42 am PST. If you guys feel so strongly about the ship upgrades, how about you strip your ships of everything that you spent money on and go back to using basic gear since you guys feel so cheap about spending at the very least 500 zen. You obviously don't deserve to keep the shiny ships you threw money into the game to acquire.
I'm a silver player and I will be looking forward to how just how much I'll have to grind out in order to upgrade my favorite tier V ships up to the near Tier 6 quality. I have not spent one penny on this game. Every tier V ship I bought for my characters (the Armitage, Ar'kif carrier retrofit and Gal-X bundle) I did simply by converting zen from dilithium. Eventually, I will look at getting something better for my characters. But for now, I'll look forward to enjoying the Delta rising content in my Tier V ships.
That, my dear, is the dreamworld where Cryptic is living in. This on the other hand is the harsh reality from the moment one single European started to pay real money to this game :
"Directive 93/13/EEC on unfair terms provides that a contract term which has not been individually negotiated is to be regarded as unfair, and therefore not binding on the consumer, if, contrary to the requirement of good faith, it causes a significant imbalance in the parties' rights and obligations to the detriment of the consumer. This provision, used by national courts in situations concerning different goods and services, allows eliminating contractual provisions which are clearly exploiting the inferior position of the consumer vis-
OK, if I have to stay here for a while, your cieling ... looks idious.:D
"Directive 93/13/EEC on unfair terms provides that a contract term which has not been individually negotiated is to be regarded as unfair, and therefore not binding on the consumer, if, contrary to the requirement of good faith, it causes a significant imbalance in the parties' rights and obligations to the detriment of the consumer. This provision, used by national courts in situations concerning different goods and services, allows eliminating contractual provisions which are clearly exploiting the inferior position of the consumer vis-
Sure they were...if you had been making this complaint before S6, that would be one thing. That Fleet versions have been available for over two years...well...so sure they've been sold that way.
And the funny thing is, with all the griping - you basically ignore that they did not have to offer an upgrade option...
Frankly I'll make a complaint when and where I see fit, eh?
And fleet ship upgrade would be equal to this if fleet ships were not top line, then again who in his right mind would pay to upgrade expensive ship to second rate?
Either buy even more expensive ship or leave, would you wager what will a majority of cash customers do?
You basically ignore that they want to have customers, no upgrade and it would be even worse than current reaction. I am pretty sure the whole T5U crud is a bandaid since the initial reaction from the community was mostly negative, save few dedicated dragoons of your ilk and "never spend a dime" cohort.
Sure they were...if you had been making this complaint before S6, that would be one thing. That Fleet versions have been available for over two years...well...so sure they've been sold that way.
And the funny thing is, with all the griping - you basically ignore that they did not have to offer an upgrade option...
i dont think people are understanding that our ships are like a rep track moving forward
into DR. we will need to level each ship to benefit from the ship level rewards/passives.
i also dont understand why anyone would want to instantly upgrade all their ships, what
point will that serve? you can only level them 1 at a time. do you even need to level all
of them? only the new endgame content will benefit greatly from the upgraded or T6
ships. personally i'll probably only level 1 ship in DR per charachter and if i feel the need to
spend some time in my other ships i'll stick to old content or enjoy a challenge with them
in the new stuff
And fleet ship upgrade would be equal to this if fleet ships were not top line, then again who in his right mind would pay to upgrade expensive ship to second rate?
Fleet ships aren't top of the line.
And the upgrade to T5-U is a better upgrade than from Standard to Fleet, btw.
You basically ignore that they want to have customers, no upgrade and it would be even worse than current reaction. I am pretty sure the whole T5U crud is a bandaid since the initial reaction from the community was mostly negative, save few dedicated dragoons of your ilk and "never spend a dime" cohort.
Of course the reaction would have been worse...thus the reason that Cryptic has provided the upgrade. It's kind of mind-boggling just how obvious some of the things one has to point out to you.
As for myself being a dedicated dragoon...a cheerleader...a member of the Cryptic Defense Force, it makes me chuckle...
...just because somebody thinks that you're whining, posting a lot of nonsensical garbage, and generally just throwing a temper tantrum in a reserved fashion - doesn't make them a Cryptic cheerleader.
They might be bored. They may hate the misinformation you're spewing. They may just not like you for whatever reason.
In this thread I've questioned the mental faculties of the folks at Cryptic. I've asked what would happen if we reported Trendy to Smirk for trolling for the obvious way that Cryptic is trolling everybody with the piecemeal way they're dispensing information. I believe in the time we've been having this nice little chat here that I've grumbled in another thread about them ignoring bug reports, I've complained about their treatment of the KDF...I'm full of all sorts of complaints about things Cryptic does and does not do.
So my disagreeing with you in this thread is not a case of being pro-Cryptic...it's simply a case of not being pro-you in the slightest.
i dont think people are understanding that our ships are like a rep track moving forward
into DR. we will need to level each ship to benefit from the ship level rewards/passives.
i also dont understand why anyone would want to instantly upgrade all their ships, what
point will that serve? you can only level them 1 at a time. do you even need to level all
of them? only the new endgame content will benefit greatly from the upgraded or T6
ships. personally i'll probably only level 1 ship in DR per charachter and if i feel the need to
spend some time in my other ships i'll stick to old content or enjoy a challenge with them
in the new stuff
Have they told us about how long they expect the Starship Mastery to take? I can't remember seeing that or not.
The scaling health from 50 to 60 is supposed to take as long as 1-50, but once you're 60 all your ships will have that level 60 health.
That Starship Mastery though...that could be rough, eh? Yeah, don't see any info on that. That could definitely be rough...it will be one thing going through that as you're leveling that first toon to 60, seeing how that goes. From there on out...
...yep, I may have missed it in the thread (maybe it was in the T6 thread more) - but that could be a doozy that makes it a case of just looking at a couple of toons if that and leaving the rest as DOFF farmers for a bit.
Wonder if we can get an answer on the expected time that will take...bah.
And the funny thing is, with all the griping - you basically ignore that they did not have to offer an upgrade option...
I had to laugh at this. True, there are lots of things Cryptic doesn't HAVE to do. They don't even have to leave tier 5 ships in the game. Hell, they could delete all T5 ships from the game, make you grind up to level 50 with a T4, then buy a T6. They could delete all the starbases and disband the fleets if you don't pay a maintenance fee (ransom demand) by a specified date. They could start charging 5 or 10 Zen just to swap out a weapon on a ship, or switch warp cores. They don't HAVE to let us do that for free. They have lots of flexibility.
That, my dear, is the dreamworld where Cryptic is living in. This on the other hand is the harsh reality from the moment one single European started to pay real money to this game :
"Directive 93/13/EEC on unfair terms provides that a contract term which has not been individually negotiated is to be regarded as unfair, and therefore not binding on the consumer, if, contrary to the requirement of good faith, it causes a significant imbalance in the parties' rights and obligations to the detriment of the consumer. This provision, used by national courts in situations concerning different goods and services, allows eliminating contractual provisions which are clearly exploiting the inferior position of the consumer vis-
Have they told us about how long they expect the Starship Mastery to take? I can't remember seeing that or not.
The scaling health from 50 to 60 is supposed to take as long as 1-50, but once you're 60 all your ships will have that level 60 health.
That Starship Mastery though...that could be rough, eh? Yeah, don't see any info on that. That could definitely be rough...it will be one thing going through that as you're leveling that first toon to 60, seeing how that goes. From there on out...
...yep, I may have missed it in the thread (maybe it was in the T6 thread more) - but that could be a doozy that makes it a case of just looking at a couple of toons if that and leaving the rest as DOFF farmers for a bit.
Wonder if we can get an answer on the expected time that will take...bah.
yeah, still sooo much we dont know, which is kinda fun in its own way, im guessing we can
level the mastery in end game instances and content though, as they said it comes from kills
so it may not be too terrible.. may not
I had to laugh at this. True, there are lots of things Cryptic doesn't HAVE to do. They don't even have to leave tier 5 ships in the game. Hell, they could delete all T5 ships from the game, make you grind up to level 50 with a T4, then buy a T6. They could delete all the starbases and disband the fleets if you don't pay a maintenance fee (ransom demand) by a specified date. They could start charging 5 or 10 Zen just to swap out a weapon on a ship, or switch warp cores. They don't HAVE to let us do that for free. They have lots of flexibility.
But we also don't have to pay them.
Oh don't bother, check the illustrious gentleman's(?) posting history and volume of posts when he has to defend it's precious. 12k posts total no less, he'll be here until the servers shut down and he outlasts everybody.
I do hope he puts his money, and lots of it, to where his mouth is.
I had to laugh at this. True, there are lots of things Cryptic doesn't HAVE to do. They don't even have to leave tier 5 ships in the game. Hell, they could delete all T5 ships from the game, make you grind up to level 50 with a T4, then buy a T6. They could delete all the starbases and disband the fleets if you don't pay a maintenance fee (ransom demand) by a specified date. They could start charging 5 or 10 Zen just to swap out a weapon on a ship, or switch warp cores. They don't HAVE to let us do that for free. They have lots of flexibility.
But we also don't have to pay them.
Obviously you do not have to pay them...and if they are not meeting your needs, you're under no contractual agreement to pay them.
It's a simple thing, though, that it's in Cryptic's best interest to try to meet the needs of the majority of their customers...since they derive their revenue from their customers. That does not mean they will be able to please all of their customers all of the time...that's unrealistic.
It's still an amazing thing how many folks operate under the impression that Cryptic is doing everything they can to fail...
...they've got bills to pay. Not just the company, but the folks that work there. They want good reviews from their bosses and their bosses want good reviews from their bosses, etc, etc, etc. They're not independently wealthy and just doing this out of boredom...it's their job, it's their livelihood. The goal is to succeed.
Do they TRIBBLE up from time to time? Hell yes they TRIBBLE up from time to time...and they have to eat the consequences of TRIBBLE up. Doesn't mean the goal is to TRIBBLE up.
yeah, still sooo much we dont know, which is kinda fun in its own way, im guessing we can
level the mastery in end game instances and content though, as they said it comes from kills
so it may not be too terrible.. may not
See, I don't think it's fun...meh. I think it could have been fun. There's things they could have kept us guessing on - things they could have done in chunks and so forth; but this piecemeal stuff - failing to answer the big questions that wouldn't leak any info we shouldn't know about stuff coming, etc, etc, etc...meh, it kind of ticks me off. Yeah, I know they're busy - they've got their production schedule to keep to for the release and that a bunch of the stuff we do see is probably from their free time; but it doesn't mean it's not ticking me off with some of the things.
Hrmm, I think it was this thread - where I posted the S6 blog post for the Fleet ships; let me see if I can it again...
What I want to know is, once DR is released and all the new content is in place - including available T5-U's and T6 - what, exactly, makes the T5 ships worse than they are now?
How do they stop being fun to play?
How are we prevented from (if we choose) ignoring the DR content and just playing the existing content with our existing T5 ships?
Will it get a little more challenging as we level up? Sure. That's not a bad thing in a lot of cases - some of the missions are far too easy anyway.
Cryptic have stated that we could easily play even the DR content with a basic T5 ship, even if it is scaled for T6, so it will be harder - but again the game is lacking challenge anyway.
I'm just not understanding the problem.
I have a bunch of ships I like. I don't have to upgrade them. I can play existing and new content without paying any money at all, but I'll have a welcome additional challenge as I begin to level up again.
If I choose, I can upgrade my existing ship, or buy a new T6, as and when I want. Or not, as the case may be.
So I'm losing nothing, and I'm gaining content, challenge and options should I choose to take them.
It's still an amazing thing how many folks operate under the impression that Cryptic is doing everything they can to fail...
...they've got bills to pay. Not just the company, but the folks that work there. They want good reviews from their bosses and their bosses want good reviews from their bosses, etc, etc, etc. They're not independently wealthy and just doing this out of boredom...it's their job, it's their livelihood. The goal is to succeed.
Developers of Tabula Rasa, Warhammer Online, Star Wars Galaxies, Hellgate London, Vanguard, etc send their regards.
What I want to know is, once DR is released and all the new content is in place - including available T5-U's and T6 - what, exactly, makes the T5 ships worse than they are now?
How do they stop being fun to play?
How are we prevented from (if we choose) ignoring the DR content and just playing the existing content with our existing T5 ships?
Will it get a little more challenging as we level up? Sure. That's not a bad thing in a lot of cases - some of the missions are far too easy anyway.
Cryptic have stated that we could easily play even the DR content with a basic T5 ship, even if it is scaled for T6, so it will be harder - but again the game is lacking challenge anyway.
I'm just not understanding the problem.
I have a bunch of ships I like. I don't have to upgrade them. I can play existing and new content without paying any money at all, but I'll have a welcome additional challenge as I begin to level up again.
If I choose, I can upgrade my existing ship, or buy a new T6, as and when I want. Or not, as the case may be.
So I'm losing nothing, and I'm gaining content, challenge and options should I choose to take them.
Better yet, stay in Miranda and play content up to level 10, I don't see a problem here, why do you need even T2 ship?
You can also try endgame in Miranda, it will be a challenge.
Just a Suggestion on top of my mind why not add whey to get the tire 5-U to the full T6 bonus trait whit the crafting i do not mind the extra work will take the get my old ship to the new tire.
Better yet, stay in Miranda and play content up to level 10, I don't see a problem here, why do you need even T2 ship?
You can also try endgame in Miranda, it will be a challenge.
Yeah you can. What's your point?
Have you tried using a low tier ship with MK X-XII gear? It can actually be quite fun.
They've stated that the new content will be playable with a T5 ship. So if you want to play it, you don't need a T6 or even a T5-U. There's no need to spend money.
Why so obsessed with having the 'best thing' in the game? Do you always rush out and buy 'the latest thing'?
Just wait for a ZEN and/or C-Store sale, or just stop playing.
Just a Suggestion on top of my mind why not add whey to get the tire 5-U to the full T6 bonus trait whit the crafting i do not mind the extra work will take the get my old ship to the new tire.
Because that would defeat the purpose of arm twisting the players into buying T6 ships.
if this goes live, ships that i already bought now costing more to stay competitive, and still not getting all the perks of the new ships. TRIBBLE this game.
officially pay to win at that point. knew it was only a matter of time considering PWE's business practices, but was hoping it would never happen. not that c-store ship consoles weren't in that realm already, but they weren't really required as you could do everything without them (except PvP). now unless you're lucky and have a lockbox ship (another cute trick there obvious BUY MORE KEYS ploy is obvious) you will get left behind.
gratz cryptic and PWE, you completely trashed everything star trek was supposed to be about with season 7, that greed. you continued the trend wiith doff prices and slavery in the federation. and now, locking out content unless you pay.
just freaking genius. instead of trying to get more new players, milk the ones you already have for every dime. you seem to do everything you possibly can to keep the player base low and old hands.
Dr. Patricia Tanis ~ "Bacon is for sycophants and products of incest."
Donate Brains, zombies in Washington DC are starving.
My point is you can peddle crud uphill all you want and claim it's fun.
It's still peddling crud uphill, for most people anyways.
FYI: You don't speak for 'most' people unless they officially elect you their spokesperson, so do try to remember that your opinion is only your opinion.
Then get off the bike and stop peddling. Constantly disagreeing with other people's opinions on here isn't going to change anything.
Go and find another game you enjoy and play that instead - you'll probably be happier.
I'm certainly not interested in wasting my time on games I don't enjoy - I only have so many hours to spend having fun, so if a game or activity isn't enjoyable, I won't do it.
If DR arrives and everything is awful P2W nonsense, I'll just enjoy the content I enjoy with my existing ships until I either can't or don't, then I'll find something else to do.
It's just a game. There are a huge number of games. I'm sure it won't be a problem to find a replacement.
Okay, so now we first hear about Tier 6 ships and also now that the Tier 5 can be upgraded. I have but only one thing to ask.
What about those that already have Tier 5 Fleet Ships and also Z-Store ships as well? Is this going to be grandfathered into the Delta Rising Expansion? Or is this something that perhaps we have the option to have a reinbursement in our Zen toward Tier 6?
Because my concern to Perfectworld is this. I would most certainly hope that for those invested in Fleet Ships they don't forget about players like us. Otherwise, as we say it in sci fi,
"This is going to be one short walk out the airlock."
erm... no, just no! the characterstic of this product is that it is always subject to change,
it is plastered on every official blog and document they have, its an mmo!! furthermore,
they havn't devalued anything, it is only your perception of the product, that has been
devalued, and that is based on the expansion with its cap level increase and new content,
that you arn not obliged to pay for or play......
Look, I can agree that Cryptic/PWE has to make money. I can agree that we have to pay for the T6 ships, not even making a problem with that. But I do not agree nor accept that we have to pay extra to upgrade those ships that we have already bought that have to be the top notch of the ships. Yes, the EULA and their TOS says that the product is subject to change, but NOT according to the European Warranty Law on software/games. And sorry to say, this one overules everything what's been mentioned in their EULA & TOS, the moment that this piece of software has hit the European market. Learn to life with that.
OK, if I have to stay here for a while, your cieling ... looks idious.:D
FYI: You don't speak for 'most' people unless they officially elect you their spokesperson, so do try to remember that your opinion is only your opinion.
Then get off the bike and stop peddling. Constantly disagreeing with other people's opinions on here isn't going to change anything.
Go and find another game you enjoy and play that instead - you'll probably be happier.
Actually I am pretty much mirroring what many said before, so yes we are a significant chunk of playerbase, probably a majority.
I presume the size of your Cryptic purchases are equal to your loudness?
Look, I can agree that Cryptic/PWE has to make money. I can agree that we have to pay for the T6 ships, not even making a problem with that. But I do not agree nor accept that we have to pay extra to upgrade those ships that we have already bought that have to be the top notch of the ships. Yes, the EULA and their TOS says that the product is subject to change, but NOT according to the European Warranty Law on software/games. And sorry to say, this one overules everything what's been mentioned in their EULA & TOS, the moment that this piece of software has hit the European market. Learn to life with that.
Do you fly any Fleet ships? Yes?
Did you buy the Standard version first (even if it was just for the discount for multiple toons to buy Fleet versions)? Yes?
What's your complaint then?
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Er...because it's an upgrade? I mean, it's not a question that should require an answer as it's not a question that makes sense to ask in the first place...
Er, they weren't sold as "require upgrades in the future"?
$25 for ship + $5 for modules + $10 for T5U = $40 for 2nd rate ship that will at some point soonish be 3rd or 4th rate and useless endgame.
To say nothing of say wanting to upgrade 1 cruiser, 1 escort, 1 sci ship per faction - that's whooping $90 real life cash for pixels that don't even give you a guarantee they will last for 6 months.
Talk about something for nothing.
I can get better value for my money elsewhere and by the tone of posts in this thread I am not the only one.
Sure they were...if you had been making this complaint before S6, that would be one thing. That Fleet versions have been available for over two years...well...so sure they've been sold that way.
And the funny thing is, with all the griping - you basically ignore that they did not have to offer an upgrade option...
That, my dear, is the dreamworld where Cryptic is living in. This on the other hand is the harsh reality from the moment one single European started to pay real money to this game :
"Directive 93/13/EEC on unfair terms provides that a contract term which has not been individually negotiated is to be regarded as unfair, and therefore not binding on the consumer, if, contrary to the requirement of good faith, it causes a significant imbalance in the parties' rights and obligations to the detriment of the consumer. This provision, used by national courts in situations concerning different goods and services, allows eliminating contractual provisions which are clearly exploiting the inferior position of the consumer vis-
Frankly I'll make a complaint when and where I see fit, eh?
And fleet ship upgrade would be equal to this if fleet ships were not top line, then again who in his right mind would pay to upgrade expensive ship to second rate?
Either buy even more expensive ship or leave, would you wager what will a majority of cash customers do?
You basically ignore that they want to have customers, no upgrade and it would be even worse than current reaction. I am pretty sure the whole T5U crud is a bandaid since the initial reaction from the community was mostly negative, save few dedicated dragoons of your ilk and "never spend a dime" cohort.
i dont think people are understanding that our ships are like a rep track moving forward
into DR. we will need to level each ship to benefit from the ship level rewards/passives.
i also dont understand why anyone would want to instantly upgrade all their ships, what
point will that serve? you can only level them 1 at a time. do you even need to level all
of them? only the new endgame content will benefit greatly from the upgraded or T6
ships. personally i'll probably only level 1 ship in DR per charachter and if i feel the need to
spend some time in my other ships i'll stick to old content or enjoy a challenge with them
in the new stuff
Fleet ships aren't top of the line.
And the upgrade to T5-U is a better upgrade than from Standard to Fleet, btw.
I wouldn't have the hubris to speak for them...
Of course the reaction would have been worse...thus the reason that Cryptic has provided the upgrade. It's kind of mind-boggling just how obvious some of the things one has to point out to you.
As for myself being a dedicated dragoon...a cheerleader...a member of the Cryptic Defense Force, it makes me chuckle...
...just because somebody thinks that you're whining, posting a lot of nonsensical garbage, and generally just throwing a temper tantrum in a reserved fashion - doesn't make them a Cryptic cheerleader.
They might be bored. They may hate the misinformation you're spewing. They may just not like you for whatever reason.
In this thread I've questioned the mental faculties of the folks at Cryptic. I've asked what would happen if we reported Trendy to Smirk for trolling for the obvious way that Cryptic is trolling everybody with the piecemeal way they're dispensing information. I believe in the time we've been having this nice little chat here that I've grumbled in another thread about them ignoring bug reports, I've complained about their treatment of the KDF...I'm full of all sorts of complaints about things Cryptic does and does not do.
So my disagreeing with you in this thread is not a case of being pro-Cryptic...it's simply a case of not being pro-you in the slightest.
Have they told us about how long they expect the Starship Mastery to take? I can't remember seeing that or not.
The scaling health from 50 to 60 is supposed to take as long as 1-50, but once you're 60 all your ships will have that level 60 health.
That Starship Mastery though...that could be rough, eh? Yeah, don't see any info on that. That could definitely be rough...it will be one thing going through that as you're leveling that first toon to 60, seeing how that goes. From there on out...
...yep, I may have missed it in the thread (maybe it was in the T6 thread more) - but that could be a doozy that makes it a case of just looking at a couple of toons if that and leaving the rest as DOFF farmers for a bit.
Wonder if we can get an answer on the expected time that will take...bah.
I had to laugh at this. True, there are lots of things Cryptic doesn't HAVE to do. They don't even have to leave tier 5 ships in the game. Hell, they could delete all T5 ships from the game, make you grind up to level 50 with a T4, then buy a T6. They could delete all the starbases and disband the fleets if you don't pay a maintenance fee (ransom demand) by a specified date. They could start charging 5 or 10 Zen just to swap out a weapon on a ship, or switch warp cores. They don't HAVE to let us do that for free. They have lots of flexibility.
But we also don't have to pay them.
yeah, still sooo much we dont know, which is kinda fun in its own way, im guessing we can
level the mastery in end game instances and content though, as they said it comes from kills
so it may not be too terrible.. may not
Oh don't bother, check the illustrious gentleman's(?) posting history and volume of posts when he has to defend it's precious. 12k posts total no less, he'll be here until the servers shut down and he outlasts everybody.
I do hope he puts his money, and lots of it, to where his mouth is.
Obviously you do not have to pay them...and if they are not meeting your needs, you're under no contractual agreement to pay them.
It's a simple thing, though, that it's in Cryptic's best interest to try to meet the needs of the majority of their customers...since they derive their revenue from their customers. That does not mean they will be able to please all of their customers all of the time...that's unrealistic.
It's still an amazing thing how many folks operate under the impression that Cryptic is doing everything they can to fail...
...they've got bills to pay. Not just the company, but the folks that work there. They want good reviews from their bosses and their bosses want good reviews from their bosses, etc, etc, etc. They're not independently wealthy and just doing this out of boredom...it's their job, it's their livelihood. The goal is to succeed.
Do they TRIBBLE up from time to time? Hell yes they TRIBBLE up from time to time...and they have to eat the consequences of TRIBBLE up. Doesn't mean the goal is to TRIBBLE up.
See, I don't think it's fun...meh. I think it could have been fun. There's things they could have kept us guessing on - things they could have done in chunks and so forth; but this piecemeal stuff - failing to answer the big questions that wouldn't leak any info we shouldn't know about stuff coming, etc, etc, etc...meh, it kind of ticks me off. Yeah, I know they're busy - they've got their production schedule to keep to for the release and that a bunch of the stuff we do see is probably from their free time; but it doesn't mean it's not ticking me off with some of the things.
Hrmm, I think it was this thread - where I posted the S6 blog post for the Fleet ships; let me see if I can it again...
How do they stop being fun to play?
How are we prevented from (if we choose) ignoring the DR content and just playing the existing content with our existing T5 ships?
Will it get a little more challenging as we level up? Sure. That's not a bad thing in a lot of cases - some of the missions are far too easy anyway.
Cryptic have stated that we could easily play even the DR content with a basic T5 ship, even if it is scaled for T6, so it will be harder - but again the game is lacking challenge anyway.
I'm just not understanding the problem.
I have a bunch of ships I like. I don't have to upgrade them. I can play existing and new content without paying any money at all, but I'll have a welcome additional challenge as I begin to level up again.
If I choose, I can upgrade my existing ship, or buy a new T6, as and when I want. Or not, as the case may be.
So I'm losing nothing, and I'm gaining content, challenge and options should I choose to take them.
Developers of Tabula Rasa, Warhammer Online, Star Wars Galaxies, Hellgate London, Vanguard, etc send their regards.
Or do you imply they used to strive to fail?
Better yet, stay in Miranda and play content up to level 10, I don't see a problem here, why do you need even T2 ship?
You can also try endgame in Miranda, it will be a challenge.
Yeah you can. What's your point?
Have you tried using a low tier ship with MK X-XII gear? It can actually be quite fun.
They've stated that the new content will be playable with a T5 ship. So if you want to play it, you don't need a T6 or even a T5-U. There's no need to spend money.
Why so obsessed with having the 'best thing' in the game? Do you always rush out and buy 'the latest thing'?
Just wait for a ZEN and/or C-Store sale, or just stop playing.
My point is you can peddle crud uphill all you want and claim it's fun.
It's still peddling crud uphill, for most people anyways.
Because that would defeat the purpose of arm twisting the players into buying T6 ships.
officially pay to win at that point. knew it was only a matter of time considering PWE's business practices, but was hoping it would never happen. not that c-store ship consoles weren't in that realm already, but they weren't really required as you could do everything without them (except PvP). now unless you're lucky and have a lockbox ship (another cute trick there obvious BUY MORE KEYS ploy is obvious) you will get left behind.
gratz cryptic and PWE, you completely trashed everything star trek was supposed to be about with season 7, that greed. you continued the trend wiith doff prices and slavery in the federation. and now, locking out content unless you pay.
just freaking genius. instead of trying to get more new players, milk the ones you already have for every dime. you seem to do everything you possibly can to keep the player base low and old hands.
Donate Brains, zombies in Washington DC are starving.
FYI: You don't speak for 'most' people unless they officially elect you their spokesperson, so do try to remember that your opinion is only your opinion.
Then get off the bike and stop peddling. Constantly disagreeing with other people's opinions on here isn't going to change anything.
Go and find another game you enjoy and play that instead - you'll probably be happier.
I'm certainly not interested in wasting my time on games I don't enjoy - I only have so many hours to spend having fun, so if a game or activity isn't enjoyable, I won't do it.
If DR arrives and everything is awful P2W nonsense, I'll just enjoy the content I enjoy with my existing ships until I either can't or don't, then I'll find something else to do.
It's just a game. There are a huge number of games. I'm sure it won't be a problem to find a replacement.
What about those that already have Tier 5 Fleet Ships and also Z-Store ships as well? Is this going to be grandfathered into the Delta Rising Expansion? Or is this something that perhaps we have the option to have a reinbursement in our Zen toward Tier 6?
Because my concern to Perfectworld is this. I would most certainly hope that for those invested in Fleet Ships they don't forget about players like us. Otherwise, as we say it in sci fi,
"This is going to be one short walk out the airlock."
Look, I can agree that Cryptic/PWE has to make money. I can agree that we have to pay for the T6 ships, not even making a problem with that. But I do not agree nor accept that we have to pay extra to upgrade those ships that we have already bought that have to be the top notch of the ships. Yes, the EULA and their TOS says that the product is subject to change, but NOT according to the European Warranty Law on software/games. And sorry to say, this one overules everything what's been mentioned in their EULA & TOS, the moment that this piece of software has hit the European market. Learn to life with that.
Actually I am pretty much mirroring what many said before, so yes we are a significant chunk of playerbase, probably a majority.
I presume the size of your Cryptic purchases are equal to your loudness?
Do you fly any Fleet ships? Yes?
Did you buy the Standard version first (even if it was just for the discount for multiple toons to buy Fleet versions)? Yes?
What's your complaint then?