3000zen (and then another 500 for the inevitable fleet module once THOSE are out) we can stomach, and fits the existing growth patterns.
Note that I say stomach; with the new cap being 60 and supposed new focus on making endgame comparatively more difficult, the older, weaker ships are drastically losing value here, and should be getting their prices changed accordingly.
Not that that will ever happen.
5000, though, fifty dollars, for A ship in a game, would be utterly ridiculous (well, more-so). You can buy entire games for that, and the PWI execs don't need THAT much bigger a holiday bonus this year than last year's.
A simple post how long will you continue to remain silent in regards to this cost!
Do you simply not care? Or will you remain silent in an attept to carry on the by now lie that you have not decided.
As a player from the start i have tasted the vile stew of previous bovine fecal matter that was served by cryptic under atari managment and the lies of that time.
Show the players that under pwi managment you have gained a small part of honor that or as a company owned by chinese you will do the honerable thinge and end your self so that the parent company may regain there honor lost at your hand depending on your handeling of a much wanted honest answer.
Hello fellow space sailors, I tried to read the entire thread but I could not succeed, apologies for that, so please, if there's someone kind enough to clarify something for me: I own a Tal Shia'r Adapted Battle Cruiser, is my ship, I love to fly her, love how she looks, love her specs, love her skills, love how competitive she is in any scenario I would plan to use her on, is in short MY ship, so the question is, even with the (maybe) generous free upgrade I will have, she still will not be, by any means a top ship as she used to be, is this correct?
Hello fellow space sailors, I tried to read the entire thread but I could not succeed, apologies for that, so please, if there's someone kind enough to clarify something for me: I own a Tal Shia'r Adapted Battle Cruiser, is my ship, I love to fly her, love how she looks, love her specs, love her skills, love how competitive she is in any scenario I would plan to use her on, is in short MY ship, so the question is, even with the (maybe) generous free upgrade I will have, she still will not be, by any means a top ship as she used to be, is this correct?
Correct. She will be capable enough to do any of the storyline content. But will find difficulties in doing the hardest of the queued content. But should be able to do all content with varying degrees of difficulty.
So then, another question, this time for the dev team: I would like to assume you guys know how this new "chapter" in the game is affecting some (maybe few, or maybe lots) of players, myself included of course, I have spent money and time in that ship (again, I can't capitalize enough, MY SHIP), money you can get more, but time, time is spent and lost forever, so you use time and try to invest it, not to waste it, sadly in this case has become the later, will be there in any future a similar designed T6 ship, because if that is the case, I will gladly pay for her and grind for her, as I have done before.
Changes or new implementations like this, have different consequences in the game play here like in no other game out there (so far I know), is not only that you release a new "expansion", like in most games, and all your hard work has "gone to the drain" and you need to "almost" (I'm exaggerating here for drama purposes) start all over again to get the new top tier gear (bless be the grinding!), in this game, you practically get ripoff your character!, your ship here IS your character, you choose your ship that comes well with your play style, or to the play style you want to use this time and now "BOOM" is gone!, hope to have made my point clear in here, thank you for your time reading this.
P.S. btw, to anyone attempting to argue or contradict my feelings regarding this matter, skip it, really, don't waste your time and energy writing, you will be ignored, or maybe you just want to distract any dev or staff member from answering my question, and if that is the case,then by all means be welcome.
P.S. btw, to anyone attempting to argue or contradict my feelings regarding this matter, skip it, really, don't waste your time and energy writing, you will be ignored, or maybe you just want to distract any dev or staff member from answering my question, and if that is the case,then by all means be welcome.
I agree with you your ship in this game is you for the most part and growing attached to the ships is a major part of playing for me as well. Others have more others less but i have 29 different ships on my person each a part of the past of my person and as i evolved my play style i grew apart from some and closer to others. But in killing a ship i have grown attached to is mentaly tantamount to cutting off a limb of my persons body. I want to know just what it will cost me to keep my limbs intact or only loos a few digits. So like you i awate dev replys but i fear to tell you from my own past experence you have little to no prayer of a chance at a reply. As neither do i so pray hope and want but dont be shocked at devs being mute and deff. Best of luch and fun in play.
They already said what it will be...between 500-1000 zen....it won't be a blanket price for all ships...some will cost 500 some will cost 1000
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I agree with you your ship in this game is you for the most part and growing attached to the ships is a major part of playing for me as well. Others have more others less but i have 29 different ships on my person each a part of the past of my person and as i evolved my play style i grew apart from some and closer to others. But in killing a ship i have grown attached to is mentaly tantamount to cutting off a limb of my persons body. I want to know just what it will cost me to keep my limbs intact or only loos a few digits. So like you i awate dev replys but i fear to tell you from my own past experence you have little to no prayer of a chance at a reply. As neither do i so pray hope and want but dont be shocked at devs being mute and deff. Best of luch and fun in play.
Great to see there's a few of us here, who feel the same way >_<
I will wait too, but I'm not playing, time is precious and money important, so I'm not wasting (because has been proved is nothing else) neither, and if it comes to happen the devs, ignore or care little about this whole thing, as your experience (and mine) has stated, I will simply uninstall, there's plenty of games out there.
You are wrong, that if for the infamous upgrade to the ships, which makes them avoid being obsolete, but makes them mediocre, not interested.
I don't see what I was wrong about. People were asking about the price of the T5U.
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Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Only thing about prices being different for ships that I have seen is that some ships will be free to upgrade and others will have a fee attached. Have not seen or heard anything which will suggest different prices for different ships otherwise. Do you have a link to support this statement?
Only thing about prices being different for ships that I have seen is that some ships will be free to upgrade and others will have a fee attached. Have not seen or heard anything which will suggest different prices for different ships otherwise. Do you have a link to support this statement?
If you go to the live stream that was held yesterday...it was asked and answered there.
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Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Only thing about prices being different for ships that I have seen is that some ships will be free to upgrade and others will have a fee attached. Have not seen or heard anything which will suggest different prices for different ships otherwise. Do you have a link to support this statement?
I doubt there is one. The upgrade does exactly the same thing, whether you upgrade a normal T5 or a fleet version. So I don't see the logic in different pricing.
I doubt there is one. The upgrade does exactly the same thing, whether you upgrade a normal T5 or a fleet version. So I don't see the logic in different pricing.
I posted the link to the lifestream from yesterday...the one where they are showing off the Dauntless...they mention it in there. I don't know the exact time stamp...sorry
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Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
I don't see what I was wrong about. People were asking about the price of the T5U.
You were wrong (and I do apology if sounded harsh), in the fact about me (even if I stated before) caring about this upgrades, which only make, as I said before too, your former-top-notch ship less mediocre to be able to do some of the new content, but still remains mediocre.
And btw, this upgrade (some free, some not), is nothing special, nor some generous behavior from anyone, before hitting the former lvl cap (lvl 50), every 10 lvls you were rewarded with a free ship of your choice, obviously to be able to continue the game, and then you have to spend time and money to get the t5 ship to be able then, to experiment the high lvl content... does this rings a bell to anyone?
I wish the one or two rare minority members that say "3000 zen we can stomach" would shut up. Unfortunately, Cryptic WANTS to hear that, so they will listen.
No. We cannot stomach that. It's far too high. Especially with fleet module pricing on top of that and upgrade on top of THAT. It's idiotic.
I will never spend that kind of money on a ship. It's ones and zeros. It cost nothing to reproduce, duplicate, store, or sell. There is NO logical cost increase or "trend" that is allowable when dealing with this kind of digital distribution. For such a massively limited-scope DLC, the pricing is borderline illegal.
I, and I presume most players with brains and budgets, will boycott all ships that cost this much. I would also take it as a sign I should get ready to leave the game (again) for an extended period of time. My faith in Cryptic just can't slip any lower after a certain point. They are determined to find that point.
If you don't like 3000 you really won't like the actual price...
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You were wrong (and I do apology if sounded harsh), in the fact about me (even if I stated before) caring about this upgrades, which only make, as I said before too, your former-top-notch ship less mediocre to be able to do some of the new content, but still remains mediocre.
And btw, this upgrade (some free, some not), is nothing special, nor some generous behavior from anyone, before hitting the former lvl cap (lvl 50), every 10 lvls you were rewarded with a free ship of your choice, obviously to be able to continue the game, and then you have to spend time and money to get the t5 ship to be able then, to experiment the high lvl content... does this rings a bell to anyone?
my post was not directed towards you. So I was not wrong about you not caring about the upgrades. Someone asked the price...i stated what was mentioned as the price.
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
It's funny because some people spend $25 on a ship only to have to spend another $7 to upgrade it to T5-U? that makes no sense at all, a T6 ship is $30 so you have to spend more money getting a T5-U over just buying a T6, yes it's a waste of money for people who have bought T5 ships and get ripped off because of this fact you end up paying more for less.
I for one am completely disgusted with the way cryptic has done the whole ship thing. The ONLY ships that are even upgradeable are the ones you spent real world money on, IE Zen ships. I include the lock box ships because it cost someone zen for the key to open it.
Out of the 6 characters I have and about 30 or so ships, only 2 of them are even upgradable. And yes, those were C-store ships. I only bought those 2 because I had some money to spare at the time and could splurge a little. And now, I have to spend some more to even be able do anything in this new expansion? No thanks. I already have 2 PAID accounts. And you guys want MORE money from me? :mad:
So basically, what cryptic has done is told everyone that unless you give them money, you are irrelevant and they are not interested in that part of the playerbase at all. Funny thing is, I was F2P for 2 years before subbing. Now, I wonder why even bother? Not like being subbed will mean anything now.
I suspect that this will actually drive people AWAY from the game rather than do any sort of good. I know I'll be cancelling soon.
I have a pay account too... i usually make the events (for example: ec) with my char (only one account) i can make the event and get about 700k dili, when i purchase zen (with my dili) i make about 10k zen... no one dollar... only dili
I have a pay account too... i usually make the events (for example: ec) with my char (only one account) i can make the event and get about 700k dili, when i purchase zen (with my dili) i make about 10k zen... no one dollar... only dili
That's all nice and dandy for you. And I'm glad you are satisfied, really I am. I however, don't get a lot of time to play, 1-2 hours at most per day. IF I'm lucky. Work 6 days a week, have a 1 year old daughter I am a single father to. The events are too few and far between to be of any practical use for me, now. Not to mention that it would likely entail completely re-arming all over again.
See, I was under the impression that the vice admiral ships, the lvl 40 ones were level 5. And from what the website is now showing, they are, BUT, they are T5 level 40, not T5 level 50 ships. And since there are no non Zen or fleet ships at level 50, I'm screwed.
So unless I get into a fleet and deal with all the BS that usually entails, or fork over a bunch more money, I'll remain screwed until Craptic decides to change their minds.
I wouldn't mind it so much if they let the T5-40 ships upgrade to T5 50 level. At least it would be something and I could move forward some.
Just use the free event ships... they get a free upgrade to T5U.
Save up and wait for the new better ships to come out like T6F that is bound to come.
Like with LoR, the bundled ships are mostly junk... ships intro after and not included in the LoR bundle are way better.
From what I can tell, the new DR lockbox T6 ship have better stats than the ones in the DR bundle.
Agree.
I was going to go overboard and drop 27 bucks worth of zen to upgrade my Kamarag until I saw the difficulty scaling on just the normal story missions and realized I'de get more satisfaction giving some random bum on the street 27 bucks in cash for a few bottles of ripple. There's no frikkin way my investment was going to be fruitful for anything other than mission replays from 3 seasons ago. Save your money and take the freebie and upgrade it for free. Maybe in the future Cryptic will make a T6 ship for someone other than the feds that is worth the money.
...Actually, since cryptic made all the factions all one big happy faction with the ending of the fed/kdf war, maybe it's time they open up the fed ships to the other factions, eh ?
That's all nice and dandy for you. And I'm glad you are satisfied, really I am. I however, don't get a lot of time to play, 1-2 hours at most per day. IF I'm lucky. Work 6 days a week, have a 1 year old daughter I am a single father to. The events are too few and far between to be of any practical use for me, now. Not to mention that it would likely entail completely re-arming all over again.
See, I was under the impression that the vice admiral ships, the lvl 40 ones were level 5. And from what the website is now showing, they are, BUT, they are T5 level 40, not T5 level 50 ships. And since there are no non Zen or fleet ships at level 50, I'm screwed.
So unless I get into a fleet and deal with all the BS that usually entails, or fork over a bunch more money, I'll remain screwed until Craptic decides to change their minds.
I wouldn't mind it so much if they let the T5-40 ships upgrade to T5 50 level. At least it would be something and I could move forward some.
This. I was annoyed when I found out IF I wanted to upgrade my one KDF's voquv to T5U, I'd have to drop the cash/item and get a fleet one, THEN drop more money and get the upgrade one. That's crazy.
And sure, the upgrade going account wide for that ship is nice... but only two chars use the same ship on my account. And I hardly play the one. In the end, it feels like cryptic is saying "If you were happy with the normal ships. TRIBBLE you."
SO all my ships I paid REAL money for are going to be obsolete unless I PAY more REAL Money?....guess I'm done with STO.
On top of that they just screwed the story line when they made the Oddy a T-5 Because in the franchise and story line there is nothing That can beat the Enterprise that is why they are always there to save the day but now That they add the T- 6 ships now the enterprise is a outdated old broken down clunker
Not only that but when we bought our T-5 ships they were top of the line they could have been Fair about it and gave the T-5 A free Upgrade token to everyone that owns A C store version up to the launch date and then make people buy the upgrades after that but nope pwe is just out to make even more money off of us I have been on this game since season 1 or 2 and have kept my mouth shut on alot but this one of those things that should be spoken about so on that note I think it may be time for me to quit STO
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$10 would be asking a bit too much IMO. $5 is more reasonable.
Note that I say stomach; with the new cap being 60 and supposed new focus on making endgame comparatively more difficult, the older, weaker ships are drastically losing value here, and should be getting their prices changed accordingly.
Not that that will ever happen.
5000, though, fifty dollars, for A ship in a game, would be utterly ridiculous (well, more-so). You can buy entire games for that, and the PWI execs don't need THAT much bigger a holiday bonus this year than last year's.
Do you simply not care? Or will you remain silent in an attept to carry on the by now lie that you have not decided.
As a player from the start i have tasted the vile stew of previous bovine fecal matter that was served by cryptic under atari managment and the lies of that time.
Show the players that under pwi managment you have gained a small part of honor that or as a company owned by chinese you will do the honerable thinge and end your self so that the parent company may regain there honor lost at your hand depending on your handeling of a much wanted honest answer.
Correct. She will be capable enough to do any of the storyline content. But will find difficulties in doing the hardest of the queued content. But should be able to do all content with varying degrees of difficulty.
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So then, another question, this time for the dev team: I would like to assume you guys know how this new "chapter" in the game is affecting some (maybe few, or maybe lots) of players, myself included of course, I have spent money and time in that ship (again, I can't capitalize enough, MY SHIP), money you can get more, but time, time is spent and lost forever, so you use time and try to invest it, not to waste it, sadly in this case has become the later, will be there in any future a similar designed T6 ship, because if that is the case, I will gladly pay for her and grind for her, as I have done before.
Changes or new implementations like this, have different consequences in the game play here like in no other game out there (so far I know), is not only that you release a new "expansion", like in most games, and all your hard work has "gone to the drain" and you need to "almost" (I'm exaggerating here for drama purposes) start all over again to get the new top tier gear (bless be the grinding!), in this game, you practically get ripoff your character!, your ship here IS your character, you choose your ship that comes well with your play style, or to the play style you want to use this time and now "BOOM" is gone!, hope to have made my point clear in here, thank you for your time reading this.
P.S. btw, to anyone attempting to argue or contradict my feelings regarding this matter, skip it, really, don't waste your time and energy writing, you will be ignored, or maybe you just want to distract any dev or staff member from answering my question, and if that is the case,then by all means be welcome.
I agree with you your ship in this game is you for the most part and growing attached to the ships is a major part of playing for me as well. Others have more others less but i have 29 different ships on my person each a part of the past of my person and as i evolved my play style i grew apart from some and closer to others. But in killing a ship i have grown attached to is mentaly tantamount to cutting off a limb of my persons body. I want to know just what it will cost me to keep my limbs intact or only loos a few digits. So like you i awate dev replys but i fear to tell you from my own past experence you have little to no prayer of a chance at a reply. As neither do i so pray hope and want but dont be shocked at devs being mute and deff. Best of luch and fun in play.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Great to see there's a few of us here, who feel the same way >_<
I will wait too, but I'm not playing, time is precious and money important, so I'm not wasting (because has been proved is nothing else) neither, and if it comes to happen the devs, ignore or care little about this whole thing, as your experience (and mine) has stated, I will simply uninstall, there's plenty of games out there.
You are wrong, that if for the infamous upgrade to the ships, which makes them avoid being obsolete, but makes them mediocre, not interested.
I don't see what I was wrong about. People were asking about the price of the T5U.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
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If you go to the live stream that was held yesterday...it was asked and answered there.
http://www.twitch.tv/perfectworld_community/c/5272397
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I doubt there is one. The upgrade does exactly the same thing, whether you upgrade a normal T5 or a fleet version. So I don't see the logic in different pricing.
I posted the link to the lifestream from yesterday...the one where they are showing off the Dauntless...they mention it in there. I don't know the exact time stamp...sorry
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
You were wrong (and I do apology if sounded harsh), in the fact about me (even if I stated before) caring about this upgrades, which only make, as I said before too, your former-top-notch ship less mediocre to be able to do some of the new content, but still remains mediocre.
And btw, this upgrade (some free, some not), is nothing special, nor some generous behavior from anyone, before hitting the former lvl cap (lvl 50), every 10 lvls you were rewarded with a free ship of your choice, obviously to be able to continue the game, and then you have to spend time and money to get the t5 ship to be able then, to experiment the high lvl content... does this rings a bell to anyone?
No. We cannot stomach that. It's far too high. Especially with fleet module pricing on top of that and upgrade on top of THAT. It's idiotic.
I will never spend that kind of money on a ship. It's ones and zeros. It cost nothing to reproduce, duplicate, store, or sell. There is NO logical cost increase or "trend" that is allowable when dealing with this kind of digital distribution. For such a massively limited-scope DLC, the pricing is borderline illegal.
I, and I presume most players with brains and budgets, will boycott all ships that cost this much. I would also take it as a sign I should get ready to leave the game (again) for an extended period of time. My faith in Cryptic just can't slip any lower after a certain point. They are determined to find that point.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
my post was not directed towards you. So I was not wrong about you not caring about the upgrades. Someone asked the price...i stated what was mentioned as the price.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Out of the 6 characters I have and about 30 or so ships, only 2 of them are even upgradable. And yes, those were C-store ships. I only bought those 2 because I had some money to spare at the time and could splurge a little. And now, I have to spend some more to even be able do anything in this new expansion? No thanks. I already have 2 PAID accounts. And you guys want MORE money from me? :mad:
So basically, what cryptic has done is told everyone that unless you give them money, you are irrelevant and they are not interested in that part of the playerbase at all. Funny thing is, I was F2P for 2 years before subbing. Now, I wonder why even bother? Not like being subbed will mean anything now.
I suspect that this will actually drive people AWAY from the game rather than do any sort of good. I know I'll be cancelling soon.
Save up and wait for the new better ships to come out like T6F that is bound to come.
Like with LoR, the bundled ships are mostly junk... ships intro after and not included in the LoR bundle are way better.
From what I can tell, the new DR lockbox T6 ship have better stats than the ones in the DR bundle.
See, I was under the impression that the vice admiral ships, the lvl 40 ones were level 5. And from what the website is now showing, they are, BUT, they are T5 level 40, not T5 level 50 ships. And since there are no non Zen or fleet ships at level 50, I'm screwed.
So unless I get into a fleet and deal with all the BS that usually entails, or fork over a bunch more money, I'll remain screwed until Craptic decides to change their minds.
I wouldn't mind it so much if they let the T5-40 ships upgrade to T5 50 level. At least it would be something and I could move forward some.
Agree.
I was going to go overboard and drop 27 bucks worth of zen to upgrade my Kamarag until I saw the difficulty scaling on just the normal story missions and realized I'de get more satisfaction giving some random bum on the street 27 bucks in cash for a few bottles of ripple. There's no frikkin way my investment was going to be fruitful for anything other than mission replays from 3 seasons ago. Save your money and take the freebie and upgrade it for free. Maybe in the future Cryptic will make a T6 ship for someone other than the feds that is worth the money.
...Actually, since cryptic made all the factions all one big happy faction with the ending of the fed/kdf war, maybe it's time they open up the fed ships to the other factions, eh ?
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Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
This. I was annoyed when I found out IF I wanted to upgrade my one KDF's voquv to T5U, I'd have to drop the cash/item and get a fleet one, THEN drop more money and get the upgrade one. That's crazy.
And sure, the upgrade going account wide for that ship is nice... but only two chars use the same ship on my account. And I hardly play the one. In the end, it feels like cryptic is saying "If you were happy with the normal ships. TRIBBLE you."
If only they all did. A few event ships do not get the free upgrade. Maybe because they weren't a grind event ship.
On top of that they just screwed the story line when they made the Oddy a T-5 Because in the franchise and story line there is nothing That can beat the Enterprise that is why they are always there to save the day but now That they add the T- 6 ships now the enterprise is a outdated old broken down clunker
Not only that but when we bought our T-5 ships they were top of the line they could have been Fair about it and gave the T-5 A free Upgrade token to everyone that owns A C store version up to the launch date and then make people buy the upgrades after that but nope pwe is just out to make even more money off of us I have been on this game since season 1 or 2 and have kept my mouth shut on alot but this one of those things that should be spoken about so on that note I think it may be time for me to quit STO