No, there's not enough threads about it. People play the game for the looks of certain ships. People even PAID for certain ships. To now suddenly brush them all aside by making them 'competitive' (which is just a fancy word for 'not the best') means taking the enjoyment out of the game. I play this game to fly my favorite ship, not to be forced into another just to keep up with the rest of the players.
Literally, though...you do realize just how many of these threads there are going right now, right? How many posts there are about the matter in threads not on the matter? It's all over the place. They've been popping up since the STLV announcement for Delta Rising. If we had more than two mods...the thread would have been merged or closed already.
As for folks having paid for ships...that really doesn't mean diddly squat. Folks paid for ships before they introduced the Fleet ships...paid for ships that aren't available at the Fleet level. Even with that, folks paying for ships and then buying Fleet versions, there were still the Lobi/Lock Box/Promo ships that were better. It's nothing new...it's been going on since 2012.
There are folks that have a favorite ship that's not even available as a T5 ship...
Did you notice in the T6 blog that it did not mention Science/Support Vessels in the snippet about types in the New Mechanics section?
One of our goals with Tier 6 ships is to have the ability to introduce new game mechanics with some ships. Wed like to be able to offer new gameplay through new types of starships found in this tier. Some Tier 6 ships will be very much what youre used to. Youll see Cruisers, Battlecruisers, Escorts, Raptors, etc. However, youll also see new takes on these existing ship types like the {REDACTED} ships being introduced in Delta Rising!
One of the things mentioned previously was the "Tac Heavy Sci"...think we're going to see more Dyson Destroyer type vessels?
My greatest fear about Delta rising is that it will become another Grindfest where we have to collect tons of poinrs and marks just to be where we are now wihout the lvl increase and while i also would prefer to keep my Fleet Assault cruiser i will move to a T6 ship.
We always had to change Ships. Thee are People who want to fly Around in a Tier 5 Constitution. And for some Cruisers, like the Galaxy i see no real future. THe T6 ships get another console and probably more hull and better schields. so the Galaxy would be even further behind the other cruisers. The Odyssey could be outdated too. T5 Fleet cruisers already have better stats than the Odyssey so i fear that Captain Shon has to look for a new Flagship.
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THIS is what troubles me. Even if I buy a Lego Ship and work it all the way to T6, even if I went back to my Wells, I would have to grind it all over again?
Well, at least the Starfleet one does. Seriously, skip this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7KnpmyHEsc&feature=youtu.be) to 0:30, pause it, and just look. It doesn't even look like a Trek ship. It looks like it belongs in an entirely different game, and to an entirely different tv series. I had hoped that Cryptic might have learned from their past failed attempts at designing their own ships, but I guess I was sorely mistaken. If this is a glimpse of what is to come, then I can say right now I absolutely will not be getting one of these.
I seem to recall Rivera saying that, and I quote, "You WILL want to buy these ships". Al, I have to strongly disagree. I really didn't think it was possible, but I may actually hate that ship more than the Avenger. The Warbird is actually so similar to most other designs that it doesn't really matter, and the same could be said of the Klingon ship that was seen as well. Why couldn't you do the same with the Fed ship? What possessed you to even think that was an acceptable design? I find it very hard to believe that something like that was accepted by everyone on the design team as something worthy of this game. You went through all the trouble of adding new systems and abilities, fine tuning them, and making them work, and you put them into this? What a waste of time and effort. Seriously, go back to the drawing board and start from scratch, because this is totally unacceptable.
It's one of the things where the T5 being competitive with T6 makes me chuckle, when there are so many levels of T5.
200k FC 9 Console (Fleet)
120k Dil/Free 9 Console
Mirror 9 Console (Lock Box)
2k Zen 9 Console
2.5k Zen 9 Console
Event 9 Console
Event 10 Console
2.5k Zen 10 Console
Fleet 10 Console
Lock Box 10 Console
Lobi Store 10 Console
Promo 10 Console
They're all T5 boats...and...heh, some of them are not very competitive with others.
Maybe that's why they choose "competitive" and not went into details when they mentioned T5, it's such a vague and widely applicable wording that they can't go much wrong with it.
Of course they can't outright say that the "lower T5" ships will be made pointless and a waste of zen if you buy them in the future but that will be the case. It's already pointless to buy a T4 (or lower) ship if you're not after the skin or console and that's what will happen to most of the current T5s, it would just ruin their marketing if they admitted it.
I for one welcome stepping away from the same old saucer design almost every fed ship has.
There has to be change...if they never come up with any new designs..you will be flying the same old stale looking ships.
Honestly, if a ship visual prevents you from playing a ship, there are bigger problems at hand.
One of the things mentioned previously was the "Tac Heavy Sci"...think we're going to see more Dyson Destroyer type vessels?
As long as it doesn't have some semi broken mode-switch-mechanics I'd welcome such a ship. The only reasons I don't use mine from the event are the questionable usefulness of the fixed Proton-DHC and the ship's habit of getting stuck in one of the modes.
Well it was mentioned there was a story driven reason to why this design was chosen, which still wont make me want to get it. I think it looks like the Prometheus got flattened. I am all for new ship designs but i am not a fan of this one. I will just have to hope future T6 ships aren't as ugly as that one is. Since this will only be the first batch of new ships to get.
I for one welcome stepping away from the same old saucer design almost every fed ship has.
There has to be change...if they never come up with any new designs..you will be flying the same old stale looking ships.
Honestly, if a ship visual prevents you from playing a ship, there are bigger problems at hand.
Yeah, TRIBBLE the iconography of a 50 year old franchise in a game about said franchise. Hooray for new snazzy designs which are commonly shared through basically EVERY OTHER franchise in existence :cool:
Developing something and just abandoning it are two entirely different things. There are a myriad of nice developments of Star Trek ships that still keep their iconic looks intact. Cryptic's designs, however, simply shout "this game here had a bit of success. We need this, and that and this here to get people aboard that never knew Star Trek, but might recognize this from XY".
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Yeah, TRIBBLE the iconography of a 50 year old franchise in a game about said franchise. Hooray for new snazzy designs which are commonly shared through basically EVERY OTHER franchise in existence :cool:
Developing something and just abandoning it are two entirely different things. There are a myriad of nice developments of Star Trek ships that still keep their iconic looks intact. Cryptic's designs, however, simply shout "this game here had a bit of success. We need this, and that and this here to get people aboard that never knew Star Trek, but might recognize this from XY".
If they were abandoning it, we would have Star Wars style ships.
One of my fleet mates said it looked like a tuning fork, I'd have to agree. If they want to keep this funky design that's cool but they should also design a second version or variant that is more Star Trek-like for those that want it. You know being that this is...well (gasp!) a Star Trek MMO
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All I get from all these forum posts about our current Tier 5 ships is that there are a lot of people already willing to shell out significant Zen (me included) to make them full Tier 6. If Cryptic doesn't have the common business sense to capitalize on this; then frankly they're...well I don't know...
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And I'm not even getting into ground stuff, since in that department actually the minority of items remind one of Star Trek between the Halo and Mass Effect armours, miniguns, lightsabres, manga-esque swords, shotguns and grenade launchers.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Literally, though...you do realize just how many of these threads there are going right now, right? How many posts there are about the matter in threads not on the matter? It's all over the place.
Which is exactly why I made this thread. To get it all in 1 place.
There are folks that have a favorite ship that's not even available as a T5 ship...
As far as I'm concerned, they should be allowed to use them at full effici
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
Sort of agree, although have mixed feelings on the matter. My own, personal, headcanon, leads me to think that STO's Starfleet took cues from the Wells class following the appearance of said class of ship in our timeframe, hence the more 'flat' design of the new T6 ship.
Yeah I can see what you're talking about. The new ship kinda gives me the impression of a "future" version of the heavy cruiser line. It's design may not be for hardcore trek fans but I don't think it's that awful, kinda like it.
Although it could still be that my taste of designs is terrible since I like the ody and avenger even though some claim that those are ugly and aren't trek-like.
We'll see what's the real deal about it once we got it's specs.
so there'll be no misconception...I'd prefer to use my current ship T6 rather than a new design.
But I want my current ship to level with me. Not a new one. Please.
P.S. This is not about personal entitlement. Current information on this is ve
Yeah, you and almost everybody else. But its cryptic, so they will never do things thinking on NO profit whatsoever and surely they will never things that customers want. And selling new ships will be more profit, not to mention, less work, and less time to waste. Everybody wanted a system to upgrade our old ships, instead of, again, more new ships (this will never end). But cryptic is not famous to do elaborated things and great game mechanics, like a ship-upgrade system, so, no, this was never in the plans of cryptic (unfortunately, sigh) and it will never be.
This game is getting buried on TRIBBLE at little steps, i only hope that the new expansion is totally different to the things we are used to see, or it will be the end of STO (for me anyways). I dont care about a new level cap, since it will be the same over and over again, the only thing i wanted is an upgrade system for my ships. We dont get that so.. i really dont expect a thing from X2. Maybe the only thing i am expecting are the episodes from the new delta story, thats all lol. I am not even asking for bug fixing anymore (ow, its really terrible sad to say this...), since i noticed that is an unkown territory for cryptic, the only thing i am asking for is please, cryptic, for once, listen to your customers, for god sake...
The problem is, there will be always a bunch of people who will pay for these new ships, and people who will pay for anything no matter what (rich people, probably) so, it doesnt matter if we aks cryptic for mercy, they will never give it to us lol.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
Sort of agree, although have mixed feelings on the matter. My own, personal, headcanon, leads me to think that STO's Starfleet took cues from the Wells class following the appearance of said class of ship in our timeframe, hence the more 'flat' design of the new T6 ship.
Honestly, Starfleet ships have been "flattening" since the TNG era.
Galaxy --> Intrepid --> Sovereign is a pretty clear trend.
Throw in the Defiant, Akira, Steamrunner, and various ships seen in the later TNG films, and the trend of flatter ships has been pretty well-established.
The T6 ship we've seen seems like an extension of that: a flattened, delta-shaped saucer with a cutout in the bow, as seen in the Nova, Akira, and Steamrunner.
The part I don't like is the nacelles. I don't like 4-nacelle designs in general, and the shape of them seems kind of wonky.
But again...I may not like it, but I'm not opposed to it existing.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
I probably wouldn't mind it as much if they just rounded the edges. Even the Triangular Prometheus didn't have hard corners like that. (The Klingon ship, ironically, has the softest, most rounded edges.)
Otherwise, I get it, the ships are supposed to be super secret section 31-esque ships fused with some kind of alien tech for each respective faction..yada yada
I for one welcome stepping away from the same old saucer design almost every fed ship has.
There has to be change...if they never come up with any new designs..you will be flying the same old stale looking ships.
Honestly, if a ship visual prevents you from playing a ship, there are bigger problems at hand.
Honestly, i dont care about the starfleet ships, since for a start, the only reason the saucers are built that way is to acomodate the phaser mechanism, like in the shows when it fires. Since in the game you will never fire that way, and you will never see the phasers doing that circle around the saucer, it doesnt matter anymore the shape of the saucer. This is really sad to say, but it is the truth. Since the starfleet ships fire the same way as any other, who cares about the saucer being the classic one??
But still, the starfleet ship is awful no matter what saucer it has. Sorry but it is a fact. The other ships are not so bad, but still, i cant believe they are tier 6 ships. Cryptic imagination is lacking more and more every day lol.
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Literally, though...you do realize just how many of these threads there are going right now, right? How many posts there are about the matter in threads not on the matter? It's all over the place. They've been popping up since the STLV announcement for Delta Rising. If we had more than two mods...the thread would have been merged or closed already.
As for folks having paid for ships...that really doesn't mean diddly squat. Folks paid for ships before they introduced the Fleet ships...paid for ships that aren't available at the Fleet level. Even with that, folks paying for ships and then buying Fleet versions, there were still the Lobi/Lock Box/Promo ships that were better. It's nothing new...it's been going on since 2012.
There are folks that have a favorite ship that's not even available as a T5 ship...
I'll raise you 1 tier6 shuttle!
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Did you notice in the T6 blog that it did not mention Science/Support Vessels in the snippet about types in the New Mechanics section?
One of the things mentioned previously was the "Tac Heavy Sci"...think we're going to see more Dyson Destroyer type vessels?
We always had to change Ships. Thee are People who want to fly Around in a Tier 5 Constitution. And for some Cruisers, like the Galaxy i see no real future. THe T6 ships get another console and probably more hull and better schields. so the Galaxy would be even further behind the other cruisers. The Odyssey could be outdated too. T5 Fleet cruisers already have better stats than the Odyssey so i fear that Captain Shon has to look for a new Flagship.
Doesn't matter for me, load-outs doesn't work for me, so im stuck with 1 ship per character !!
I seem to recall Rivera saying that, and I quote, "You WILL want to buy these ships". Al, I have to strongly disagree. I really didn't think it was possible, but I may actually hate that ship more than the Avenger. The Warbird is actually so similar to most other designs that it doesn't really matter, and the same could be said of the Klingon ship that was seen as well. Why couldn't you do the same with the Fed ship? What possessed you to even think that was an acceptable design? I find it very hard to believe that something like that was accepted by everyone on the design team as something worthy of this game. You went through all the trouble of adding new systems and abilities, fine tuning them, and making them work, and you put them into this? What a waste of time and effort. Seriously, go back to the drawing board and start from scratch, because this is totally unacceptable.
Maybe that's why they choose "competitive" and not went into details when they mentioned T5, it's such a vague and widely applicable wording that they can't go much wrong with it.
Of course they can't outright say that the "lower T5" ships will be made pointless and a waste of zen if you buy them in the future but that will be the case. It's already pointless to buy a T4 (or lower) ship if you're not after the skin or console and that's what will happen to most of the current T5s, it would just ruin their marketing if they admitted it.
There has to be change...if they never come up with any new designs..you will be flying the same old stale looking ships.
Honestly, if a ship visual prevents you from playing a ship, there are bigger problems at hand.
As long as it doesn't have some semi broken mode-switch-mechanics I'd welcome such a ship. The only reasons I don't use mine from the event are the questionable usefulness of the fixed Proton-DHC and the ship's habit of getting stuck in one of the modes.
Yeah, TRIBBLE the iconography of a 50 year old franchise in a game about said franchise. Hooray for new snazzy designs which are commonly shared through basically EVERY OTHER franchise in existence :cool:
Developing something and just abandoning it are two entirely different things. There are a myriad of nice developments of Star Trek ships that still keep their iconic looks intact. Cryptic's designs, however, simply shout "this game here had a bit of success. We need this, and that and this here to get people aboard that never knew Star Trek, but might recognize this from XY".
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If they were abandoning it, we would have Star Wars style ships.
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Are you interested in the T6 ships, yea.
Are you not interested in T6 ships, nae.
Add your opinion if you want, but try to keep the debates to the other threads please.
My opinion: nae.
Thus far there's nothing about the T6s that I find appealing in any way.
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Oh no, we can't have that in Star Trek Online!
And I'm not even getting into ground stuff, since in that department actually the minority of items remind one of Star Trek between the Halo and Mass Effect armours, miniguns, lightsabres, manga-esque swords, shotguns and grenade launchers.
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As far as I'm concerned, they should be allowed to use them at full effici
I'm fairly interested in the warbird. I need to see more of it's looks and stats to know if I'll buy it though.
Not really interested in the Fed ships. :P
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Yeah I can see what you're talking about. The new ship kinda gives me the impression of a "future" version of the heavy cruiser line. It's design may not be for hardcore trek fans but I don't think it's that awful, kinda like it.
Although it could still be that my taste of designs is terrible since I like the ody and avenger even though some claim that those are ugly and aren't trek-like.
We'll see what's the real deal about it once we got it's specs.
Yeah, you and almost everybody else. But its cryptic, so they will never do things thinking on NO profit whatsoever and surely they will never things that customers want. And selling new ships will be more profit, not to mention, less work, and less time to waste. Everybody wanted a system to upgrade our old ships, instead of, again, more new ships (this will never end). But cryptic is not famous to do elaborated things and great game mechanics, like a ship-upgrade system, so, no, this was never in the plans of cryptic (unfortunately, sigh) and it will never be.
This game is getting buried on TRIBBLE at little steps, i only hope that the new expansion is totally different to the things we are used to see, or it will be the end of STO (for me anyways). I dont care about a new level cap, since it will be the same over and over again, the only thing i wanted is an upgrade system for my ships. We dont get that so.. i really dont expect a thing from X2. Maybe the only thing i am expecting are the episodes from the new delta story, thats all lol. I am not even asking for bug fixing anymore (ow, its really terrible sad to say this...), since i noticed that is an unkown territory for cryptic, the only thing i am asking for is please, cryptic, for once, listen to your customers, for god sake...
The problem is, there will be always a bunch of people who will pay for these new ships, and people who will pay for anything no matter what (rich people, probably) so, it doesnt matter if we aks cryptic for mercy, they will never give it to us lol.
Don't want it? Don't get it.
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
Honestly, Starfleet ships have been "flattening" since the TNG era.
Galaxy --> Intrepid --> Sovereign is a pretty clear trend.
Throw in the Defiant, Akira, Steamrunner, and various ships seen in the later TNG films, and the trend of flatter ships has been pretty well-established.
The T6 ship we've seen seems like an extension of that: a flattened, delta-shaped saucer with a cutout in the bow, as seen in the Nova, Akira, and Steamrunner.
The part I don't like is the nacelles. I don't like 4-nacelle designs in general, and the shape of them seems kind of wonky.
But again...I may not like it, but I'm not opposed to it existing.
Otherwise, I get it, the ships are supposed to be super secret section 31-esque ships fused with some kind of alien tech for each respective faction..yada yada
Honestly, i dont care about the starfleet ships, since for a start, the only reason the saucers are built that way is to acomodate the phaser mechanism, like in the shows when it fires. Since in the game you will never fire that way, and you will never see the phasers doing that circle around the saucer, it doesnt matter anymore the shape of the saucer. This is really sad to say, but it is the truth. Since the starfleet ships fire the same way as any other, who cares about the saucer being the classic one??
But still, the starfleet ship is awful no matter what saucer it has. Sorry but it is a fact. The other ships are not so bad, but still, i cant believe they are tier 6 ships. Cryptic imagination is lacking more and more every day lol.