Anything that doesn't have an animation, such as a passive stats boost, is budget coding - and since the game is basically running the same 3 eSTF for dil, and, we already way overpowered for that job..
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T6, to me personally, quite possibly pointless unless as I said there will be higher rewards with more dil that forces you to be t6.
For pvp'ers yeah sure they forced to grind out every last passive in the whole game.
I fly a Tactical Odyssey which should be the Federation's state-of-the-art cruiser launched in 2409. If that does not qualify as T6 then I don't know what does...
$14.99 a month for 24 months (2 year period, a standard period between expansions out there for MMOs)...is...$359.76 - which would be ~14 2500 Zen ships.
For me, the issue isn't really about my various T5 ships being obsolete...as much as it is that there just aren't going to be that many T6 ships available at the launch of Delta Rising.
So yeah, given that, I'd like to be able to have some of my toons that do not get T6 ships be able to plod along until such point as T6 ships come along for me to get for those toons.
Raider...
Raptor...
Battle Cruiser...
Destroyer...
Support Vessel...
Flight-Deck Cruiser...
Carrier...
KDF do not have a standard Cruiser nor do they have a Dreadnought Cruiser. Then there's also the talk of the new ship types/classes.
Well, yeah, it's going to take some time (could take years) for them to populate the T6 ships...
...so yeah, I'd like to have my guys able to fly something in the interim.
If you want to stay in your old ships - I am one of those people myself, I was thinking it might potentially be like a new rep or adventure zone where the main gameplay is still earning dil on eSTF.
If the difficulty level on eSTF doesn't go up and you don't earn more in the delta adventure zone, for all intents and purposes you can totally ignore t6 and keep playing as nothing happened.
Of course what would then be the point of playing or at least earning if you no longer working towards something.
But so far that's how I picture myself playing if I stay. Doff and maybe eSTF as usual.
I am also thinking it's going to be a little odd if they want 3000 zen for a t6 for permission to play it.
At the same time completely unrealistic they giving anything away for free with 1-2 ships per faction?
Which then turned again and compare it to the amount of free ships with LoR what do you think about that?
I fly a Tactical Odyssey which should be the Federation's state-of-the-art cruiser launched in 2409. If that does not qualify as T6 then I don't know what does...
Now this I agree with at a certain point there should be a cut off as far as retro upgrading to T6..
Excelsior, Galaxy, Nebula, Defiant the next generation to voyager shouldn't be Tier 6 and for sure not the Excelsior. Most of these ships are at the end or over half the service life's. would start becoming seconded line ships
On the other hand the newer generation of ships should be able to refit.. such as the Odyssey, Vesta and such.
Even though its logical we all know it wouldn't go over well lol
I fly a Tactical Odyssey which should be the Federation's state-of-the-art cruiser launched in 2409. If that does not qualify as T6 then I don't know what does...
The Regent was released after the Odyssey.
The Avenger was released after the Regent.
The Odyssey isn't the latest and greatest...even before looking at T6.
edit: It's kind of funny, how with so many of the threads discussing the various T5 ships - that it's all basically just a variant of the T5 Connie discussion. Thing is...we won't know until we know and we do know that Cryptic knows we're concerned. If we keep it up, they may end up just tuning us out even more...
Hrmm, I'm betting 2 EC that the T5 blog's today...with the new ship tomorrow. Well, okay - I need to go spend a few hours to make that 2 EC, but once I've got it...I'll bet it!
No one says you have to change ships. The blogs all say that YOUR SHIPS WILL NOT BECOME OBSOLETE!!! However, they will NOT be upgraded all the way to t6. Its not gonna happen. They will all still be competitive. They will not be swept aside. Please, stop posting about this. There are already too many threads over this issue.
You're not kicking me out of my Odyssey, it's my flagship now.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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No one says you have to change ships. The blogs all say that YOUR SHIPS WILL NOT BECOME OBSOLETE!!! However, they will NOT be upgraded all the way to t6. Its not gonna happen. They will all still be competitive. They will not be swept aside. Please, stop posting about this. There are already too many threads over this issue.
most of my ships are already obsolete and swept aside :P
thats what happens when a faction goes 2 years without a ship release.
Q: If I unlock Starship Mastery passive powers on one ship category, do other ships within the same category have the passive powers unlocked?
A: Starship Mastery passive powers are unlocked on a per-ship basis. Since they represent a
captain and crews affinity with the ship they must be unlocked for each ship you own.
THIS is what troubles me. Even if I buy a Lego Ship and work it all the way to T6, even if I went back to my Wells, I would have to grind it all over again?
Whilst I agree in principle, it was Shon who saved the day in the last Feature episode......
Shon couldn't have done that without you...and he didn't do it with the Odyssey. The Odyssey wasn't there as he did what he did...you were.
It's one of the things that...well, makes STO more generic space opera than Star Trek, imho.
The Enterprise should be off doing all the things we're doing in whatever ship we happen to be in. We're off saving the universe in a Risian love boat... /facepalm.
Cryptic's gone to great lengths to make the players the heroes...
edit: Meh, I'm just jaded with where things have gone the past few years.
Q: If I unlock Starship Mastery passive powers on one ship category, do other ships within the same category have the passive powers unlocked?
A: Starship Mastery passive powers are unlocked on a per-ship basis. Since they represent a
captain and crews affinity with the ship they must be unlocked for each ship you own.
THIS is what troubles me. Even if I buy a Lego Ship and work it all the way to T6, even if I went back to my Wells, I would have to grind it all over again?
That's even if you could grind it all over again for the Wells. Sure, you could slot the Starship Trait you unlocked...but the actual Mastery? Will it be something that you can do on the Wells even if there is a pseudo upgrade sort of thing available for it? The blog created more questions than it answered...meh.
I don't see them doing it as per single ship simply because that would hurt ship sales in the long run. You have Ship Mastery of your Defiant-class and would have to re-grind it if you switched to a Patrol Escort Retrofit, then grind it again if you went to an MVAE, then again if you went to an Armitage, etc, which makes you less likely to buy every new ship as it comes out due to the grind attached. And they WANT us hopping into a new ship every 3 months, not creating a disincentive to do so. Much as the mechanics people love their grinds, they'd really be shooting themselves in the foot if they took it that far.
Ooo look at you lot and your fancy T5 decked out ships! When DR does land spare a thought for me and others who'll attempt to tackle it in our cheap T4 Mirror ships and freebies!
I understand liking your old ship.. but in the end there "old" I mean imagine if US navy captains said "no I do want new Aircraft carriers" and were still using old York town class carriers from WW2 and couldn't use jet aircraft.
The problem with STO one being a game and two being a beloved show that had very deep roots people will always be resistant to changes...
What Star Trek needs is a new show in this new timer period or tad bit in the future. This was it can legitimize the changes to the game.
There is only so much a older design can be retro fit to do before it become a 2nd line ship. Maybe they can remove the traits on the older ships but give them reinforced hull and console.
But what ever they do someone is not going to complain anyhow though.. /shrug
some countries are still using ww2 tech boats, trucks, tanks and guns, either directly or in a backup capacity. compared to the apache, ah-1, mi-28 and the tigers for example, these attack choppers can cut all that old stuff down without much issue with all that electronic guided stuff and the autocannons. eventually some things become obsolete and get phased out and stuff like that has no place in this world, relics of another era that just wasnt built for it.
while that may hold true, the opposite is true here, we got raptors, nx-01, connies and t'varo flying around and these classes of ships are ancient. if canon meant anything the nx-01 for example wouldnt stand a chance against the latest cruiser.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Ooo look at you lot and your fancy T5 decked out ships! When DR does land spare a thought for me and others who'll attempt to tackle it in our cheap T4 Mirror ships and freebies!
I understand liking your old ship.. but in the end there "old" I mean imagine if US navy captains said "no I do want new Aircraft carriers" and were still using old York town class carriers from WW2 and couldn't use jet aircraft.
The obvious difference ofcourse being that I'm not a US captain employed by my country, but a civilian paying for a game.
If you're concerned though, my ship is a Heavy Escort Carrier armitage/thunderchild mix. So there's little to worry about it looking dated.
No one says you have to change ships. The blogs all say that YOUR SHIPS WILL NOT BECOME OBSOLETE!!! However, they will NOT be upgraded all the way to t6. Its not gonna happen. They will all still be competitive. They will not be swept aside. Please, stop posting about this. There are already too many threads over this issue.
No, there's not enough threads about it. People play the game for the looks of certain ships. People even PAID for certain ships. To now suddenly brush them all aside by making them 'competitive' (which is just a fancy word for 'not the best') means taking the enjoyment out of the game. I play this game to fly my favorite ship, not to be forced into another just to keep up with the rest of the players.
Shon couldn't have done that without you...and he didn't do it with the Odyssey. The Odyssey wasn't there as he did what he did...you were.
It's one of the things that...well, makes STO more generic space opera than Star Trek, imho.
The Enterprise should be off doing all the things we're doing in whatever ship we happen to be in. We're off saving the universe in a Risian love boat... /facepalm.
Cryptic's gone to great lengths to make the players the heroes...
edit: Meh, I'm just jaded with where things have gone the past few years.
All I know virus, is I want my damn tier6 Miranda! :P
The obvious difference ofcourse being that I'm not a US captain employed by my country, but a civilian paying for a game.
Um...that's you. They were offering an example based on your character. Your character is a member of Starfleet, the Klingon Defense Force, or the Romulan Republic.
I came back to this game with a mission: to level my science officer to 50, and build myself to be a support/ medium-DPS escort using the Elachi S'Golth Escort.
The Elachi escort is the only science-y enough escort to support my build. Now I find out it's going obsolete before I even get to try the damn thing.
So what are the prospects of my playstyle now? Should I cut my losses, pack up shop and go home? Will there ever be a replacement T6 equivalent with a Lt. Commander science station and 4+ science consoles?
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Anything that doesn't have an animation, such as a passive stats boost, is budget coding - and since the game is basically running the same 3 eSTF for dil, and, we already way overpowered for that job..
SO
T6, to me personally, quite possibly pointless unless as I said there will be higher rewards with more dil that forces you to be t6.
For pvp'ers yeah sure they forced to grind out every last passive in the whole game.
I fly a Tactical Odyssey which should be the Federation's state-of-the-art cruiser launched in 2409. If that does not qualify as T6 then I don't know what does...
For me, the issue isn't really about my various T5 ships being obsolete...as much as it is that there just aren't going to be that many T6 ships available at the launch of Delta Rising.
So yeah, given that, I'd like to be able to have some of my toons that do not get T6 ships be able to plod along until such point as T6 ships come along for me to get for those toons.
Raider...
Raptor...
Battle Cruiser...
Destroyer...
Support Vessel...
Flight-Deck Cruiser...
Carrier...
KDF do not have a standard Cruiser nor do they have a Dreadnought Cruiser. Then there's also the talk of the new ship types/classes.
Well, yeah, it's going to take some time (could take years) for them to populate the T6 ships...
...so yeah, I'd like to have my guys able to fly something in the interim.
If the difficulty level on eSTF doesn't go up and you don't earn more in the delta adventure zone, for all intents and purposes you can totally ignore t6 and keep playing as nothing happened.
Of course what would then be the point of playing or at least earning if you no longer working towards something.
But so far that's how I picture myself playing if I stay. Doff and maybe eSTF as usual.
I am also thinking it's going to be a little odd if they want 3000 zen for a t6 for permission to play it.
At the same time completely unrealistic they giving anything away for free with 1-2 ships per faction?
Which then turned again and compare it to the amount of free ships with LoR what do you think about that?
Now this I agree with at a certain point there should be a cut off as far as retro upgrading to T6..
Excelsior, Galaxy, Nebula, Defiant the next generation to voyager shouldn't be Tier 6 and for sure not the Excelsior. Most of these ships are at the end or over half the service life's. would start becoming seconded line ships
On the other hand the newer generation of ships should be able to refit.. such as the Odyssey, Vesta and such.
Even though its logical we all know it wouldn't go over well lol
The Regent was released after the Odyssey.
The Avenger was released after the Regent.
The Odyssey isn't the latest and greatest...even before looking at T6.
edit: It's kind of funny, how with so many of the threads discussing the various T5 ships - that it's all basically just a variant of the T5 Connie discussion. Thing is...we won't know until we know and we do know that Cryptic knows we're concerned. If we keep it up, they may end up just tuning us out even more...
It all depends on how Cryptic defines "competitive."
According to the in-game lore, the Odyssey class is the Federation's flagship model.
Therefore, it is only natural to offer it in a Top Tier version.
Whether or not it actually is the best in-game cruiser is another matter (as you suggest).
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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most of my ships are already obsolete and swept aside :P
thats what happens when a faction goes 2 years without a ship release.
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Thing is...being the flagship...well, Shon's always following your lead, no? You're the hero...the Enterprise is just a sidekick.
A: Starship Mastery passive powers are unlocked on a per-ship basis. Since they represent a
captain and crews affinity with the ship they must be unlocked for each ship you own.
THIS is what troubles me. Even if I buy a Lego Ship and work it all the way to T6, even if I went back to my Wells, I would have to grind it all over again?
Shon couldn't have done that without you...and he didn't do it with the Odyssey. The Odyssey wasn't there as he did what he did...you were.
It's one of the things that...well, makes STO more generic space opera than Star Trek, imho.
The Enterprise should be off doing all the things we're doing in whatever ship we happen to be in. We're off saving the universe in a Risian love boat... /facepalm.
Cryptic's gone to great lengths to make the players the heroes...
edit: Meh, I'm just jaded with where things have gone the past few years.
That's even if you could grind it all over again for the Wells. Sure, you could slot the Starship Trait you unlocked...but the actual Mastery? Will it be something that you can do on the Wells even if there is a pseudo upgrade sort of thing available for it? The blog created more questions than it answered...meh.
But hey, at least we are assured fun fights.
some countries are still using ww2 tech boats, trucks, tanks and guns, either directly or in a backup capacity. compared to the apache, ah-1, mi-28 and the tigers for example, these attack choppers can cut all that old stuff down without much issue with all that electronic guided stuff and the autocannons. eventually some things become obsolete and get phased out and stuff like that has no place in this world, relics of another era that just wasnt built for it.
while that may hold true, the opposite is true here, we got raptors, nx-01, connies and t'varo flying around and these classes of ships are ancient. if canon meant anything the nx-01 for example wouldnt stand a chance against the latest cruiser.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Er...the Mirrors are T5.
Are they! I always thought Mirrors were T4, being Level 40 ships and all. Ah well then, learn something new everyday!
In that case I'm especially not worried
It's one of the things where the T5 being competitive with T6 makes me chuckle, when there are so many levels of T5.
200k FC 9 Console (Fleet)
120k Dil/Free 9 Console
Mirror 9 Console (Lock Box)
2k Zen 9 Console
2.5k Zen 9 Console
Event 9 Console
Event 10 Console
2.5k Zen 10 Console
Fleet 10 Console
Lock Box 10 Console
Lobi Store 10 Console
Promo 10 Console
They're all T5 boats...and...heh, some of them are not very competitive with others.
If you're concerned though, my ship is a Heavy Escort Carrier armitage/thunderchild mix. So there's little to worry about it looking dated.
No, there's not enough threads about it. People play the game for the looks of certain ships. People even PAID for certain ships. To now suddenly brush them all aside by making them 'competitive' (which is just a fancy word for 'not the best') means taking the enjoyment out of the game. I play this game to fly my favorite ship, not to be forced into another just to keep up with the rest of the players.
All I know virus, is I want my damn tier6 Miranda!
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Um...that's you. They were offering an example based on your character. Your character is a member of Starfleet, the Klingon Defense Force, or the Romulan Republic.
I want a T6 Oberth with saucer separation. :cool:
The Elachi escort is the only science-y enough escort to support my build. Now I find out it's going obsolete before I even get to try the damn thing.
So what are the prospects of my playstyle now? Should I cut my losses, pack up shop and go home? Will there ever be a replacement T6 equivalent with a Lt. Commander science station and 4+ science consoles?
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