Sorry, I see how you got that impression because it followed your reply, but my 'trololo' comment was not aimed at you, but at the thread.
Fair enough, though I do think it's a valid thread myself.
Part of us getting stuck with the Enhanced Plasma Manifold this time around may be that the KDF community hasn't provided proper feedback as far as what we'd like to run with from the Fed console lineup. Compared to requests for the Plasmonic Leech and Aceton Assimilator, we haven't been particularly vocal about saying what we do want. Mind you, I find the trade this time around particularly laughable, but again... the Fed section has been vocal in what it wanted from the KDF lineup and the lock boxes have provided it.
The KDF tends to be more vocal in maintaining faction identity and uniqueness, but that ship has sailed at this point.
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rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,664Community Moderator
edited July 2014
Fed consoles are more defensive in nature while KDF ones are more offensive. COmpared to what they're used to, most Fed consoles would feel underwhelming I guess. I mean... doesn't the Koro'tinga come with pretty much a Heavy Graviton Beam console or something along those lines?
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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Fed consoles are more defensive in nature while KDF ones are more offensive. COmpared to what they're used to, most Fed consoles would feel underwhelming I guess. I mean... doesn't the Koro'tinga come with pretty much a Heavy Graviton Beam console or something along those lines?
it's either the graviton pulse generator, which is a 90d cone slow and possible engine disable, or the magnetometric overload which is essentially a giant battering ram in space, because it has a massive repel
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rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,664Community Moderator
edited July 2014
I have the Graviton Pulse Generator. Its not that. So its gotta be the magnetometric overload. FUS RO DAH in space if its anything like the Heavy Graviton Beam from the MACO set.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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I have the Graviton Pulse Generator. Its not that. So its gotta be the magnetometric overload. FUS RO DAH in space if its anything like the Heavy Graviton Beam from the MACO set.
FUS RO DAH describes the strength of its repel pretty decently...i think it also has a damage or disable component as well
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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Its just as finicky as FUS RO DAH too, sometimes its awesome sometimes you wonder if it fired
i rarely use shouts in skyrim (mainly because i'm too busy trying to stay alive to think about taking my eye off the screen long enough to make sure my finger is on the Z key), but whenever i do use that one in particular, i've never had it fail to work, even when i first got the game and there were no 'unofficial' patches yet
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
oh, THAT...yeah, i mess up the aim quite a bit, though i don't consider it a waste unless i don't hit ANYTHING...as long as i hit at least one target, it was worth using, because that's one less target bothering me for a few seconds
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
We KDF have given up a great amount ever since the lockbox console trading began. So, now that the Romulans have given up the first tier 5 ship console, I think it's only fair to say...
I want the cloak console from the Feds. Of course they can keep using their cloak console, same as always, but I think it's high time all KDF ships gain the ability to cloak. Not just Klingon-designed ships like the Vo'quv, but all the non-Klingon ships, like the Guramba, or Varanus, etc. Only tier 5 ships of course, and no lockbox ships could use it.
What do you all think?
i can give you mine if you want, in exchange my galaxy x will have the capabilitie to cloack without the console, just like before season 5.
The KDF tends to be more vocal in maintaining faction identity and uniqueness, but that ship has sailed at this point.
Thing is...KDF never really wanted anything from the Fed-side, more than anything we just wanted more of our own stuff. Y'know, some attention and new stuff for us. Sure the ship might have sailed by this point, but it doesn't mean we can't try.
And besides, now that we know Cryptic will trade even tier 5 ship consoles now, might as well ask for one that will let us cloak the rest of our ship line-up.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Thing is...KDF never really wanted anything from the Fed-side, more than anything we just wanted more of our own stuff. Y'know, some attention and new stuff for us. Sure the ship might have sailed by this point, but it doesn't mean we can't try.
And besides, now that we know Cryptic will trade even tier 5 ship consoles now, might as well ask for one that will let us cloak the rest of our ship line-up.
[EDIT] There isn't enough positive as far as faction balance (C-Store, lock box trades, etc.) since I've been here, and I don't want to bury your thread in complaints about the imbalances of the past and present. Instead, I'll stick with: Yes, I'd love more of our own stuff down the road, but I'd at least like something equivalent when they do lock box trades. Keep trying and providing feedback, because I refuse to prioritize Zen purchases for the Federation. :P
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You know what's funny, is that if they start trading away T5 Consoles, the KDF stands nothing else but to gain a lot. Why? Because we don't have **** else to give away, much less T5 ships with Consoles. What's left from the KDF?
Veranus: Repair Platform
Kar'Fi: Phase Shift Generator
Bortasqu': 3 pack consoles - Autocannon would be a doozy
That is it. We have so few T5 C-Store ships, much less any with a console or even special weapon (none).
What do the other factions have at T5?
FED
D'Kyr: D'Kyr Support Craft
Odyssey: 3 pack consoles
Galaxy: Saucer Separation (yeah, not happening: Mechanics)
Regent: Metreon Gas Canisters, Wide Angle Quantum (weapon though)
Andorian Escort: 3 pack items, convert to Disruptors
Prometheus: MV Console (not happening also: Mechanics)
Akira: Torpedo Point Defense System (entertaining with all the boosts to Photons these days)
Patrol Escort: Nadion Saturation Bomb, convert to Disruptors (LOL)
Vesta: 3 pack consoles
Intrepid: Ablative Generator
ROMS
T'Varo: Plasma Destabilizer (LOL)
Dhelan: Sabotage Probe (DONE, the precedent has been set for T5 Consoles)
Mogai: Ionized Particle Beam (I can imagine this working on KDF BOPS with Flanking Bonus very, very well)
Ar'kif: Focused Singularity Modulator
Scimitar: 3 pack consoles (LOLOLOLOLOL)
D'Deridex: Projected Singularity
Haakona: Dual Vector Console (same mechanics issue with other separation consoles)
And this is not even bringing up other lower tier ship consoles. The KDF had already given up a number of them. And again, our selection was few to begin with. But the Roms?...
With Cryptic having set the precedent to start even pillaging T5 endgame ship consoles, the KDF honestly stands nothing else but to gain from these "exchanges." Because we have **** else to give up, while everyone else does.
You know what's funny, is that if they start trading away T5 Consoles, the KDF stands nothing else but to gain a lot. Why? Because we don't have **** else to give away, much less T5 ships with Consoles.
Lol, good points actually, didn't think about just how little we really do have.
Also, about Magneto*metric Overload, it's highly affected by aux power, graviton gens, SubD, and Particle Gens. Aux power really affects the damage and repel (a LOT on the repel), grav gens affects the repel, SubD affects the disable aspect, and particle gens affects the damage.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
You know what's funny, is that if they start trading away T5 Consoles, the KDF stands nothing else but to gain a lot. Why? Because we don't have **** else to give away, much less T5 ships with Consoles. What's left from the KDF?
Veranus: Repair Platform
Kar'Fi: Phase Shift Generator
Bortasqu': 3 pack consoles - Autocannon would be a doozy
That is it. We have so few T5 C-Store ships, much less any with a console or even special weapon (none).
What do the other factions have at T5?
FED
D'Kyr: D'Kyr Support Craft
Odyssey: 3 pack consoles
Galaxy: Saucer Separation (yeah, not happening: Mechanics)
Regent: Metreon Gas Canisters, Wide Angle Quantum (weapon though)
Andorian Escort: 3 pack items, convert to Disruptors
Prometheus: MV Console (not happening also: Mechanics)
Akira: Torpedo Point Defense System (entertaining with all the boosts to Photons these days)
Patrol Escort: Nadion Saturation Bomb, convert to Disruptors (LOL)
Vesta: 3 pack consoles
Intrepid: Ablative Generator
ROMS
T'Varo: Plasma Destabilizer (LOL)
Dhelan: Sabotage Probe (DONE, the precedent has been set for T5 Consoles)
Mogai: Ionized Particle Beam (I can imagine this working on KDF BOPS with Flanking Bonus very, very well)
Ar'kif: Focused Singularity Modulator
Scimitar: 3 pack consoles (LOLOLOLOLOL)
D'Deridex: Projected Singularity
Haakona: Dual Vector Console (same mechanics issue with other separation consoles)
And this is not even bringing up other lower tier ship consoles. The KDF had already given up a number of them. And again, our selection was few to begin with. But the Roms?...
With Cryptic having set the precedent to start even pillaging T5 endgame ship consoles, the KDF honestly stands nothing else but to gain from these "exchanges." Because we have **** else to give up, while everyone else does.
True enough, they will have to resort to pilfering the RR consoles sooner or later as the KDF has nothing left to give up at this point.
True enough, they will have to resort to pilfering the RR consoles sooner or later as the KDF has nothing left to give up at this point.
maybe that's what geko was talking about when he said big things coming for the kdf in xpac 2 in that recent podcast or whatever it was...more ships with unique consoles that they can immediately pilfer and stuff in cross faction packs
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
maybe that's what geko was talking about when he said big things coming for the kdf in xpac 2 in that recent podcast or whatever it was...more ships with unique consoles that they can immediately pilfer and stuff in cross faction packs
We KDF have given up a great amount ever since the lockbox console trading began. So, now that the Romulans have given up the first tier 5 ship console, I think it's only fair to say...
I want the cloak console from the Feds. Of course they can keep using their cloak console, same as always, but I think it's high time all KDF ships gain the ability to cloak. Not just Klingon-designed ships like the Vo'quv, but all the non-Klingon ships, like the Guramba, or Varanus, etc. Only tier 5 ships of course, and no lockbox ships could use it.
What do you all think?
You can have your crappy fed cloak console...feds want the valdore
maybe that's what geko was talking about when he said big things coming for the kdf in xpac 2 in that recent podcast or whatever it was...more ships with unique consoles that they can immediately pilfer and stuff in cross faction packs
Assuming we don't just end up with the usual platitudes of why KDF stuff got cut or "pushed back".
I wouldn't put it past them at this point to give us something new just so they can stick it in a lockbox
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Fair enough, though I do think it's a valid thread myself.
Part of us getting stuck with the Enhanced Plasma Manifold this time around may be that the KDF community hasn't provided proper feedback as far as what we'd like to run with from the Fed console lineup. Compared to requests for the Plasmonic Leech and Aceton Assimilator, we haven't been particularly vocal about saying what we do want. Mind you, I find the trade this time around particularly laughable, but again... the Fed section has been vocal in what it wanted from the KDF lineup and the lock boxes have provided it.
The KDF tends to be more vocal in maintaining faction identity and uniqueness, but that ship has sailed at this point.
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#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
normal text = me speaking as fellow formite
colored text = mod mode
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
normal text = me speaking as fellow formite
colored text = mod mode
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
A pretty fun console just wish the cd was shorter.
It also doesn't do that much to a dragon unlike some of the other shouts.
i can give you mine if you want, in exchange my galaxy x will have the capabilitie to cloack without the console, just like before season 5.
deal!!
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
I rarely actually use my cloak in combat, but having one makes me get that "Trek" feeling. The sound. The visuals. The cool factor.
I miss it very much on my KDF ships that do not have one. I would put down a lot of cash to be able to cloak on any of my ships.
/cloaks
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I want the ablative armor generator. I think that would go very nicely on my b'rel retrofit bird of prey.
Hah, that's really clever actually.
Thing is...KDF never really wanted anything from the Fed-side, more than anything we just wanted more of our own stuff. Y'know, some attention and new stuff for us. Sure the ship might have sailed by this point, but it doesn't mean we can't try.
And besides, now that we know Cryptic will trade even tier 5 ship consoles now, might as well ask for one that will let us cloak the rest of our ship line-up.
[EDIT] There isn't enough positive as far as faction balance (C-Store, lock box trades, etc.) since I've been here, and I don't want to bury your thread in complaints about the imbalances of the past and present. Instead, I'll stick with: Yes, I'd love more of our own stuff down the road, but I'd at least like something equivalent when they do lock box trades. Keep trying and providing feedback, because I refuse to prioritize Zen purchases for the Federation. :P
Veranus: Repair Platform
Kar'Fi: Phase Shift Generator
Bortasqu': 3 pack consoles - Autocannon would be a doozy
That is it. We have so few T5 C-Store ships, much less any with a console or even special weapon (none).
What do the other factions have at T5?
FED
D'Kyr: D'Kyr Support Craft
Odyssey: 3 pack consoles
Galaxy: Saucer Separation (yeah, not happening: Mechanics)
Regent: Metreon Gas Canisters, Wide Angle Quantum (weapon though)
Andorian Escort: 3 pack items, convert to Disruptors
Prometheus: MV Console (not happening also: Mechanics)
Akira: Torpedo Point Defense System (entertaining with all the boosts to Photons these days)
Patrol Escort: Nadion Saturation Bomb, convert to Disruptors (LOL)
Vesta: 3 pack consoles
Intrepid: Ablative Generator
ROMS
T'Varo: Plasma Destabilizer (LOL)
Dhelan: Sabotage Probe (DONE, the precedent has been set for T5 Consoles)
Mogai: Ionized Particle Beam (I can imagine this working on KDF BOPS with Flanking Bonus very, very well)
Ar'kif: Focused Singularity Modulator
Scimitar: 3 pack consoles (LOLOLOLOLOL)
D'Deridex: Projected Singularity
Haakona: Dual Vector Console (same mechanics issue with other separation consoles)
And this is not even bringing up other lower tier ship consoles. The KDF had already given up a number of them. And again, our selection was few to begin with. But the Roms?...
With Cryptic having set the precedent to start even pillaging T5 endgame ship consoles, the KDF honestly stands nothing else but to gain from these "exchanges." Because we have **** else to give up, while everyone else does.
Shield Destabilizer for Disruptor-flavored Wing Cannon Platforms
Enhanced Induction Coils for Disruptor-flavored Nadion Saturation Bomb
Barrier Field Generator for Multidimensional Wave-Function Analysis Module
The Mogai's IPB feeds off Aux Power and Particle Generators.
The highly customizable Birds of Prey can easily support that, esp. with Battle Cloaks.
The DSD can support this very well also with all those SCI Console slots and high Aux Power boosts.
The Veranus can do that also
Not to mention the Temporal ships.
Lol, good points actually, didn't think about just how little we really do have.
Also, about Magneto*metric Overload, it's highly affected by aux power, graviton gens, SubD, and Particle Gens. Aux power really affects the damage and repel (a LOT on the repel), grav gens affects the repel, SubD affects the disable aspect, and particle gens affects the damage.
*"Cerebro"
Turn the frown, upside down!
True enough, they will have to resort to pilfering the RR consoles sooner or later as the KDF has nothing left to give up at this point.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
That which has been giveth, may be pilfered away!
You can have your crappy fed cloak console...feds want the valdore
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
Assuming we don't just end up with the usual platitudes of why KDF stuff got cut or "pushed back".
I wouldn't put it past them at this point to give us something new just so they can stick it in a lockbox