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mimey2
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We KDF have given up a great amount ever since the lockbox console trading began. So, now that the Romulans have given up the first tier 5 ship console, I think it's only fair to say...
I want the cloak console from the Feds. Of course they can keep using their cloak console, same as always, but I think it's high time all KDF ships gain the ability to cloak. Not just Klingon-designed ships like the Vo'quv, but all the non-Klingon ships, like the Guramba, or Varanus, etc. Only tier 5 ships of course, and no lockbox ships could use it.
What do you all think?
I want the cloak console from the Feds. Of course they can keep using their cloak console, same as always, but I think it's high time all KDF ships gain the ability to cloak. Not just Klingon-designed ships like the Vo'quv, but all the non-Klingon ships, like the Guramba, or Varanus, etc. Only tier 5 ships of course, and no lockbox ships could use it.
What do you all think?
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.pwlaughingtrendy wrote:I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
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Given the complaints about it being a console in the first place, the plus side of your request is that it probably wouldn't upset the faction giving its console to a lock box. The down side comes from the precedent set by the Sabotage Probe: a formerly ship-specific console is now useable on all ships. If they took your suggestion in the same manner, it would allow all ships to equip the Cloaking Device.
Actually, again given the complaints about it using a console slot, most Fed-only players wouldn't use it that way anyway... go for it. Personally I'd rather get the Wide-Angle Quantum Torpedo on the KDF side, like the Fed side got the Bio-neural Warhead. The TDF would be another good option...
...Why was the Enhanced Plasma Manifold in this box?
When the cloak console is equipped on KDF ships with cloak already, the standard cloak is upgraded to battle cloak. This will calm the anger of some KDF I'm sure.
YOU'RE INFRINGING ON ROMULAN UNIQUENESS! RAGE!!!!
Sorry...couldn't resist.
Anyways... I wouldn't mind being able to get the Wide Angle Quantum KDF side. I've got it Fed side and LOOOOOOVE it. So far the ONLY Wide Angle torpedo KDF's got access too, and by extention the Romulans as they can't touch T5 Ally ships, is the Wide Angle Transphasic Chroniton, and that's from a lockbox ship, which is even rarer than a console or weapon.
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For example, the VoQ or Guramba.
There is not any Treaty that says we KDF and Rom cant enable cloaking on any ship. We know enough about cloaking to make the integration easily workable.
R.I.P
Add a Cloaking Device Device, that goes in a Device Slot in any non-Warbird.
When added to a ship with Standard Cloak or a Cloak Console, it upgrades the Cloak to Battle Cloak.
When added to a ship with Battle Cloak, it upgrades the Battle Cloak to Enhanced Battle Cloak.
When added to a ship with Enhanced Battle Cloak, it upgrades the Enhanced Battle Cloak to KDF Boogeyman Cloak and kills any Feds on the map that get within 250km.
Well, if they are gonna start using tier 5 ship consoles, they might as well go all the way, y'know?
As for why, obviously the two consoles are completely equal in all respects, and both of those are an equal trade for the Sabotage Probe.
Indeed, the Treaty of Algeron is only a one-way street. It doesn't prevent the Klingons or Romulans from doing that at all with their ships.
Sounds like a winner of an idea to me.
Actually, for that last one, instead of... ...how about...
When added to a ship with Enhanced Battle Cloak, it upgrades the Enhanced Battle Cloak to an ECCM Enhanced Battle Cloak, causing Arc to automatically open this on the offending individual if an enemy player forces the user out of cloak? It'd be a reasonable counter to the Tadhyon Detection Field or Tachyon Detection Grid, right?
Yes, that's a joke, too :P
...just first help us replace the silly console with innate cloaking for the trio of ship lines that currently use it.
And before anyone mentions the Scimitar... the Romulans are the masters of the Cloak. Klingons aren't, and the Vo'Quv is a Klingon ship. So unless you jack a Scimitar cloak, the Vo'quv probably can't cloak or would suffer from the same problems as the Bortas.
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I'll concede the 'Romulans are masters of cloak' thing. As it gives them something the other two really don't have as much of. I don't mind it.
BUT in all honesty, that doesn't totally work, same for that old balance concern in terms of the Bortasqu'. Yes, that ship is huge and has a lot of power running through it, but IMO the 'weakness' is an unneeded thing for it anymore.
After all, the Romulans DID ally with both the Klingon Empire and Federation. Part of that particular deal was the technology trading between the Romulans and their new allies.
I wouldn't ask to make the Bortasqu' into a KDF-Scimitar. But I don't think it's too far to ask that the Bortas has it's cloak made into a normal strength cloak. After all, surely I could easily see a scene like this happening:
Klingon: Ally, as part of our treaty, you are going to help us with our technology and we in turn with yours. To begin, we require a way to improve our cloaks on our Bortasqu'-class ships.
Romulan: Cloaking a huge ship? That's easy to fix, let me show you how.
And bam, lore reason why it was changed and improved, and one less weakness for the Bortas. Also no reason why at that point we couldn't have cloaks on other Klingon ships at least, because after all they'd still probably be basic cloaks still, and that's all we'd still get outside of BoPs.
Hahahah yes!!! *Throws money at screen*
and yet the klingons had a ship that could fire weapons while cloaked 100 years before the romulans
granted, it was only torpedoes, but still
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Isnt the Scimitar a Reman ship though not a Romulan ship?
Then again the whole premise of the ship being built in secret somehow by Remans is stupid, a bunch of ex slaves are somehow capable of building a ship that rivals any in the alpha quadrant.
There is no reason for any Fed ship not to have a cloak... At least, any ship smaller than a Gallaxy Dread, and I'm sure the Romulan Republic wouldn't have a problem selling the bigger cloaks either.
The path to 2409 mentions that the Federation President has ordered the treaty to be honoured despite the state of the RSE.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Please provide a link to that Memory Alpha page. I'm not seeing any such reference on the Romulus or Romulan Star Empire pages.
No, it was Okeg after the Kelso incident. "The narrow legal view may be that the Treaty of Algeron ended when Romulus was destroyed," Okeg said. "The Romulan Star Empire we knew is gone, and you are a new people. What has not changed is the Federation's commitment to peace." The Path to 2409: Vol. 16, Ch. 2. A link, if you so desire. It also states that he signed an executive order prohibiting further cloaking research. However, the text for at least one, if not both, of the cloak consoles states that it was authorized, so that may have changed on a per-class basis.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Is it generally good to disregard a treaty your government has previously, and publicly, stated that it would honor? The Federation just managed to get out of a war with the Klingon Empire in order to focus on the Iconians, and you'd suggest doing something that might torque off both the Romulan Republic and Klingon Empire... that doesn't sound like a good idea. If Okeg were an Undine, maybe...
If we're talking in-game canon and not gameplay balance, of course.
besides, it's pretty damn obvious that okeg is an undine...if they were able to get to quinn and egg, okeg wouldn't have been much harder
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Hmmm... now I want a Fleet Action where we have to purge the Federation government. They can do that when they add a Section 31/Klingon Intelligence lock box. It'd almost be sad to have to hunt down Kurland, though. Almost.
Come to think of it, that would be a good lock box to put the Console - Cloaking Device in... the Federation can even get the Console - Enhanced Induction Coil, they totally need that.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Algeron
(Granted, it is at the end in the Apocrypha section)
As to size being an issue, the Remans showed the idea of large area ship cloaking is possible. There is no reason that so many years in the future the Klingons should not be able to accomplish the same.
In the game the Romulans already display their mastery of cloak by having battle cloak on pratically every vessel. So its not unreasonable that the KDF fans ask for a lockbox in the future that has a Cloaking Device as a reward that the KDF can use to give standard cloak to a otherwise noncloaking KDF vessel.
Its not as if the KDF is forbidden to distribute cloaks or to further research cloaking in general. So why are the KDF are oft treated as they have never advanced their skill in cloaking or the science there involved with the process?
R.I.P
Oh, so it's because of the Starfleet ships using cloak consoles. Like I said in my earlier post, it does at least call the status of the treaty into question. I don't believe there was anything in the game that said that it was due to the reformation under Sela, or destruction of Romulus, though. Even the statement by President Okeg that they are "new people" is hogwash, but probably hogwash designed to set up the eventual use of cloaks on select Federation ships. It's politically-expedient, and I would do it if it were my decision to make, as I always felt the Treaty of Algeron was far too one-sided, but it's not very Federation-like.
They didn't get to Quinn, and there's no evidence they "got to" Egg. He could just as easily have been an Undine plant from day one. I'm not seeing where there's any evidence that Okeg is an Undine, either. He didn't personally do anything to antagonize the Klingons, it was the Federation Council that did that. Okeg seemed to genuinely want to preserve the peace, if not the alliance, and then to want to reinstate the peace when that failed. There's a better case to be made for J'mpok being an Undine, but I doubt that, too. He was more of the instrument by which B'Vat tried to alter the destiny that the Sphere Builders revealed to the Klingons centuries ago.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I didn't think of that.... now I'm sad.
I'll drop some flowers for Algeron at ESD next time I'm there.
As to the OP.... make it a device, let it upgrade cloaks as has been suggested, and sure, give it to the Klingons. It's small recompense for the laughable lockbox console trade this time, and I can't really see a huge downside.
No, just pointing out the imbalanced exchange of technology that lock boxes tend towards. It would have been fine to trade the Enhanced Plasma Manifold for the Enhanced Induction Coil (battery console for battery console). It would have been fine to trade the Wide-Angle Quantum Torpedo for the Bio-neural Warhead (special torpedo for special torpedo). These things didn't happen... so for once it'd be nice if the KDF came out a little better in the trade :P
An honest suggestion for cross-faction cloaking consoles, though, would be to make the exchange:
Federation: Phase Shift Generator or Molecular Phase Inversion Field (finally get the Pegasus cloak)
Klingon: Cloaking Device or Molecular Phase Inversion Field
Romulan: Phase Shift Generator or Cloaking Device
As far as an upgrade mechanic, I'd limit that to Cloak->Battle Cloak at most, for one simple reason: Enhanced Battle Cloaking Scimitars. Does anyone really want that floating about?
...or did you mean the whole thread? Or just the conversation about in-game lore and cloaking, especially the Console - Cloaking Device (which surprisingly isn't in the FCT list)?
Sorry, I see how you got that impression because it followed your reply, but my 'trololo' comment was not aimed at you, but at the thread.