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A Proper Solution to Powercreep

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    jarvisandalfredjarvisandalfred Member Posts: 1,549 Bug Hunter
    edited June 2014
    cody0893 wrote: »
    My ideal for the power creep issue is make every one a power creep.... seriouslyy make delmer easyier to get make all aspec of building easier and flat out a cryptic own fleet that is permenant open were new players with fleet cred can buy the gear they need to survive and fly threw the elites.......... yes totally open spire embassy and mine... Then every one can max out ther dps for there class........
    then if u adress content i.e super elite maps and new fresh content more missions less grind and yes keep there promise and revamp pvp and the older fed ships.......cryptic wants its customers back common sense is needed not loss of power they now what to do. Takeing more away or makeing it more complicated isnt it.

    For those who can't read this, here's a TL;DR: I don't want to work to get anything in the game, and I want cryptic to have no way to make money, because I don't understand how the concept of a game works, especially a F2P game.
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    cody0893cody0893 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    first i have 8 accounts i have spent 24 thousand over 2 years lmao and all my accounts are pay to play
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    cody0893cody0893 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    my point is poorly type or not taking away or making the game more complicated is a killer that's all........TAKING AWAY FROM REAL PLAYERS TO MAKE LOWER WEAKER PLAYERS IS WRONG..
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    jarvisandalfredjarvisandalfred Member Posts: 1,549 Bug Hunter
    edited June 2014
    cody0893 wrote: »
    first i have 8 accounts i have spent 24 thousand over 2 years lmao and all my accounts are pay to play

    That may or may not be true. However, it's truth is irrelevant to your proposal, which is lucridious, hard to read, and even less likely than cryptic noticeably increasing the difficulty of the game - under your proposal, there's no incentive to work for gear, making fleet gear the new MK XI whites, and crippling the exchange, and everyone who makes money off the exchange. You're also making it difficult for F2P people to acquire ships, as now there's no need for EC outside of FSM's/keys, and anyone who would sell those for EC now has no need for the EC gained by them, which not only prevents F2P people from buying FSM's, as nobody has a reason to sell, but it prevents crypitc from getting revenue from people who would sell FSM's/Keys on the exchange, which literally removes their ability to make money from people who can't afford to or choose not to spend real money on the game.
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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Obviously, due to this being a pug and not what I'm used to, total damage in was much higher than normal.
    Here's how: First of all, I'm flying in a glorious threat-grabbing machine (not the one I posted above). As a result, the dps is highly concentrated on me, which makes a few things more noticable, including the borg shield drains and plasma dots. Secondly, my preference is not to avoid death, but to keep people at full because things like 30k high yield torps happen, and a ship at 70% may not survive them, but a ship at 100% has a better chance. Thirdly, a lot of that healing is shield healing, which also decreases the available incoming damage to them. Long story short, high healing to an effective tank, keeping people near full, as opposed to alive, and having lots of available heals (ET3 on global with biotech patch and 200 hull repair, A2SIF3 with the same and 100 aux, and ST2 with 150 emitter arrays on global, in addition to being an engineer).

    Hrmmm...

    This is Vegar's current build-in-progress: http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=vegarmarauder_5343

    This is a parse from an ISE I just pugged for this post: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4s3cc8uhenhzox2/Vegar3.Log

    Vegar took 57.5% of the damage (444290) and 61.7% of the attacks (781). Avg incoming damage: 568.873...

    Vegar did 75.396% of the healing (353824) with 743 HPS.

    The Borg combined only did 1635.626 DPS to the players.

    Combined HPS from the players was 985.892...nobody died. 2 folks didn't heal. I dropped out ~39k in shield heals to one guy with 3x ST2's and an ExS2. That was the only crosshealing done. One guy healed himself for 82.5k and the other for 32.9k.

    There's just not really that much damage to heal.../shrug
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    cody0893cody0893 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    For those who can't read this, here's a TL;DR: I don't want to work to get anything in the game, and I want cryptic to have no way to make money, because I don't understand how the concept of a game works, especially a F2P game.




    your a troll have u read ne of the other post i have posted its all in defense of older player i just good enough to buff the the noobs i dont mind seeing super noobs i kill the super jerks in kerrat ne ways but if u want to judge some on his style of typing and not on his meaning u my friend are the classic troll that don't even read post and assure in ur superiority
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    jarvisandalfredjarvisandalfred Member Posts: 1,549 Bug Hunter
    edited June 2014
    Hrmmm...

    This is Vegar's current build-in-progress: http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=vegarmarauder_5343

    This is a parse from an ISE I just pugged for this post: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4s3cc8uhenhzox2/Vegar3.Log

    Vegar took 57.5% of the damage (444290) and 61.7% of the attacks (781). Avg incoming damage: 568.873...

    Vegar did 75.396% of the healing (353824) with 743 HPS.

    The Borg combined only did 1635.626 DPS to the players.

    Combined HPS from the players was 985.892...nobody died. 2 folks didn't heal. I dropped out ~39k in shield heals to one guy with 3x ST2's and an ExS2. That was the only crosshealing done. One guy healed himself for 82.5k and the other for 32.9k.

    There's just not really that much damage to heal.../shrug

    First of all, nice league reference in the name.

    Secondly, that's interesting results. It may be due to differences in flying - I tend to, among other things, tank the ending spheres, gateway, and tac cube at the same time. Also, my percentage of incoming damage tends to be around 70-80%, or somewhat higher if you ignore tac captain's self-inflicted warp core breaches. I also do overheal to some extent, which is measured, and that may affect it as well. Still, the runs I do have a consistent 1.9-2k hps - I'll start saving some parses of normal runs for future reference.
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    tmassxtmassx Member Posts: 826 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I also would not be wrong to give away at least some ability in addition to the bosses such as aceton beam , viral matrix , fire at will , torpedo spread, tactical team , feedback pulse , scramble sensors, antimatter spread or that trait which disabling energy weapons and especially to the npc used more often.

    But the main problem of the missions is that it's just do as much damage in the minimum time. Therefore, I take the Scimitar , stand as close as possible targets and only pressing spacebar. Just a bad design of the missions.
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    snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    1. Get rid of the current "Normal" STFs, the current Elite STFs will now be designated Normal.

    And in three years, repeat? Because then the NEW normal will be too easy then?

    Great idea. Falls in line with a lot of other MMOs. But ... doesn't do anything about powercreep.
    2. A significantly buffed version of STFs will now be the Elite Tier. These will be at least as difficult as HOE, or go up to 4x-5x the difficulty of current ESTFs.

    See above.
    Difficulty increase will include increase damage and HP, and improved AI tactics such as use of TT, Attack Patterns, cross healing, target focusing, etc...

    If you've unlocked a way to improve video game AI, you should get off these forums right now. And go make millions with your revolutionary new idea.

    Otherwise, NPC AI has been the same dumb AI since Pong.
    3. To unlock the queue for this new STF tier you will need to do one of the following:

    a) Run 5 to 10 normal STF and DPS over 20k in each one.
    B) Run 5 to 10 normal STFs and do over 2k-3k OUTBOUND HPS in each one.
    c) Run 5 to 10 normal STFs and soak up 300k+ of damage in each one,
    d) Run 5 to 10 normal STFs and CC/debuff an X amount of targets for each run.

    I had to stop right here. I can't continue.

    Your idea asks the game to lock players out due to DPS. BUT ... and here's the funniest thing about your idea ... the game itself doesn't track DPS.

    Outside programs that players use track that.

    /sigh
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    jarvisandalfredjarvisandalfred Member Posts: 1,549 Bug Hunter
    edited June 2014
    cody0893 wrote: »
    For those who can't read this, here's a TL;DR: I don't want to work to get anything in the game, and I want cryptic to have no way to make money, because I don't understand how the concept of a game works, especially a F2P game.




    your a troll have u read ne of the other post i have posted its all in defense of older player i just good enough to buff the the noobs i dont mind seeing super noobs i kill the super jerks in kerrat ne ways but if u want to judge some on his style of typing and not on his meaning u my friend are the classic troll that don't even read post and assure in ur superiority

    I'm not trolling. I prefer posts to be legible and comprehensible, so that people can derive some meaning from it. If you see every post I've made on this thread, it's an attempt to provide accurate, factual information relevant to the subject of discussion, which, for the most part, is not your post. I've even posted actual parses and broken them down. I apologies if you feel that I was excessively rude, however, if it's not worth your time to even type correctly, it's not going to be worth most people's time to read it.
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    cody0893cody0893 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    what i tired to defend everyone that's has spent real money on the game ur right u want to take my money i spent and make it meaningless but u say u understand economics lmao u thoughts about leveling the field for players that dont want a grind or spend money wtf u need the power creep i fly in space to make grav well and spammed 13 diff abil's if u take all the power why play at all then....... power creep v power creep is our only hope..... if everyone is a power creep then no one is problem solved so either grind or spend but please stop talking about makeing a game i love more complicated and or nerfing more of my gear that i spent real money on or is the money i spent meaningless





    stop taking away from players pass it on
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    kavasekavase Member Posts: 771 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    cody0893 wrote: »
    what i tired to defend everyone that's has spent real money on the game ur right u want to take my money i spent and make it meaningless but u say u understand economics lmao u thoughts about leveling the field for players that dont want a grind or spend money wtf u need the power creep i fly in space to make grav well and spammed 13 diff abil's if u take all the power why play at all then....... power creep v power creep is our only hope..... if everyone is a power creep then no one is problem solved so either grind or spend but please stop talking about makeing a game i love more complicated and or nerfing more of my gear that i spent real money on or is the money i spent meaningless





    stop taking away from players pass it on


    Ok, I'm not trying to be a troll or be rude or anything, but can you try to use some grammar and not use "u" and "ur" (unless your using a cell phone to post). I don't understand this at all, it doesn't make any sense to me.

    The only thing I got out of this was your trying to defend everyone who has spent money on the game, but what does that have to do with anything?
    Retired. I'm now in search for that perfect space anomaly.
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    cody0893cody0893 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    one nerf leads to another and another and another and another all detrimental to the game honestly less u give customer less money u get i.e if i can grind for it how does cryptic make money...... u need the power creep i just want us all to be one bye your standard sir they need to nerf all and grind everything if u cant spend money even a lil why play then come on forums to complain over something u spent 0 on......


    Take more away isn't a answer that only works for the new people and leave the older players out in the cold again....power creep is needed even in the dev blog its says u cant get rid of it they need the money from cuz either the new people are grinding 20 toons instead of spending 5 dollars wtf
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    cody0893cody0893 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    fact of the matter is u can try to make rude comments over grammar clearly u cant argue this there will always be a power creep in sto economics says so... Whats sad is f2p complaining over something thats is free to them.......
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    cody0893cody0893 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    whats truly sad is ne one can power creep with a lil time or energy...... but you guys rather complain over great players achieving allot and scream nerf em nerf em why do u guys grind it out like i did...... yeah it took a year or two so..... that's how f2p works they make money over time unlike sub based games....... and honestly my ideal to fix this issues is allready being implamented look at the new escort lmao wait to u guys see the next round of ships lmao power creep v power creep cheapest way to fix this for cryptic
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    sarcasmdetectorsarcasmdetector Member Posts: 1,176 Media Corps
    edited June 2014
    cody0893 wrote: »
    ...

    Please don't take this as me being rude. you've made your point and stated your opinion. please stop repeating over and over again.
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    cody0893cody0893 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    another way u can see that power creep v power creep is coming look at rep its more geared to power creep and also the new risa doffs lmao i am telling u guys they need the power creep its the only people left spending money on game the pvp is dead most of the rp guys let me say most of rp are strongly f2p which is cool so they need the money from ship and gear sale now more then ever... it coming its really is...... power builds are the driving sales in sto atm
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    sarcasmdetectorsarcasmdetector Member Posts: 1,176 Media Corps
    edited June 2014
    @ cody0893

    please stop spamming the thread. we get it.
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    jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited June 2014
    overall its a bad idea considering the OP romulan faction

    I got 6 Romulans............ there not elite just over powered

    if anything a new elite stf should be made for each player to complete tht makes the player solo thru this new stf in order to gain access the the new STF

    The new stf should be made to make the player build a realistic ship covering dps repairing and control in order to complete it

    but in reality we need nerfing....especiaily in power..........we have too much power thats why the stfs are so easy we have 50% more power than the game was designed for us to have making the current npcs so easy its comical

    The STFS arnt weak ....we are over powered in power
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    cody0893cody0893 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    @ cody0893

    please stop spamming the thread. we get it.

    i was just explianing that my plan is allready in motion and i am not spamming there isnt a way to make the power creep go away other then shut down sto and start over......... then when i defend my self and my opions or ideal i label as a troll mmo bomb was right about sto community good night
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    starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    @ cody0893

    please stop spamming the thread. we get it.

    No we don't, not when all he posts are walls of text with insufficient line breaks and punctuation and copious spelling errors.
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    cody0893cody0893 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    nerf nerf nerf all i see this isnt right nerf every one is all i see less u give people the less they spend make content not nerfs... there wasnt that many errors and yes i am s5 smart phone so i did make some mistakes sorry
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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    First of all, nice league reference in the name.

    Secondly, that's interesting results. It may be due to differences in flying - I tend to, among other things, tank the ending spheres, gateway, and tac cube at the same time. Also, my percentage of incoming damage tends to be around 70-80%, or somewhat higher if you ignore tac captain's self-inflicted warp core breaches. I also do overheal to some extent, which is measured, and that may affect it as well. Still, the runs I do have a consistent 1.9-2k hps - I'll start saving some parses of normal runs for future reference.

    EM toward Cube. Pop APD. Start shooting. Turn to the left right at the Cube. Drop AA. Hit PH. Start shooting far Sphere for aggro. Start shooting near Sphere for aggro. Far Sphere's usually dead. Fly left while shooting at remaining Sphere.

    Start shooting Cube. Fly beneath Cube and sit there until it's destroyed. Start firing at far outside top Gen. Inevitably somebody pops a Gen before folks have even started on the other Gens. EM/Engine Battery off toward the Gate. Start shooting Nanite while slowing to turn right. Drop AA. When second set of Spheres drop, R-Tet Cascade. Continue firing at the lead Nanite Sphere. Move on to the next. Usually the rest of the team has popped the Trans by now and are heading over to the Nanites.

    Fire on each that hasn't aggro'd me. Toss out any heals if needed, which is rare. Make sure the Gate is aggro'd me. Spheres dead - head on over right. Same deal as left. Park under Cube. Top outside Gen. Zip on over to the Nanites.

    Head to the right of the Nanites - Gate side. Drop AA. Start in on the lead Nanite. Just like when going left. Team drops Trans and joins the party. Swing around to pick up aggro from Tac Cube as well.

    Gate drops. Fly in wee circles on top of the Tac Cube until it dies.

    Is how I typically fly Vegar.

    BTW, league reference?
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    dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    cody0893 wrote: »
    nerf nerf nerf all i see this isnt right nerf every one is all i see less u give people the less they spend make content not nerfs... there wasnt that many errors and yes i am s5 smart phone so i did make some mistakes sorry

    All of my posts are from a smart phone and I'm no where near the babble you have posted...biggest reason why is do my triple dots I stead of proper connotation...they are located on a different access list.
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    cody0893cody0893 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    starswordc wrote: »
    No we don't, not when all he posts are walls of text with insufficient line breaks and punctuation and copious spelling errors.

    please stop useing ur fleet mates to troll a forum ty and have a good day
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    dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Making harder STFs isn't a solution to powercreep (aka not solving powercreep) it's a response (capitulation?) to it.
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    cody0893cody0893 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    saddly we are argueing this fact the game a.i is lame u cant fix that only thing u are talking about is nerfing........ one poster replied that deminishing returns is the way to go i like this ideal its not tAKIENG NE THING AWAY BUT MAKEING IT MORE REALISTIC...... but if u wanted to fly a space simulator there are games for that
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    jack24bau3rjack24bau3r Member Posts: 451 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    f2p = power creep. without it theres no game, without it theres no reason to grind and no reason to buy anything.

    without new shinies to grind for this game would be uberbad.

    i support the idea of the op. every t5 ship in this game can be made to do at least 20k dps, under a ideal set of circumstances they probably could be pushed to 30k.

    the op has proven this on many occasions. personally i dont fly bad ships or any non roms so i'll stick to whats actually good.
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    starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    cody0893 wrote: »
    please stop useing ur fleet mates to troll a forum ty and have a good day

    Pot, kettle. And actually, none of my fleetmates have posted in this thread. In fact I think I'm the only member of Strike Team Alpha who even posts on the forums regularly.
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    cody0893cody0893 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    npc a.i is horrid short of makeing better designed maps and some system deminishing returns on damage and on all abill is a great ideal........ but the map are super easy
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