no tribbles. in sf academy they just fade in and out. i checked out risa before, but it was empty, i guess the place was abandoned.
maybe the people using the thing there were just a group of guys wanting to get some extra dil, rather than farmer bots who then send you scam offers through mail.
Now clowns, that's another story. They scare the crap out of me.
We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.
ok i started the thread maybe its time to finish it,unless i get at least a lollipop i think ill close the topic,none of those plain sugary lollipops,has to be a jem hadar attack ship worthy lollipop,or game wide accolation
Dare to share how you'll close this thread?
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Well, one possibility is that they aren't dilithium farming but EC farming somehow and converting the EC into key purchases and key purchases into illicit cash sales.
It's dilithium.
You're gonna have to take my word for it lol...I don't wanna get in trouble
EDIT: This is inregards to the SFA dudes, no clue what happened at Risa
Hmmm... if it is an exploit that Cryptic is aware of but chooses to do nothing aobut, can it not merely be considered content rather than an exploit?
As the thread title states, they are investigating this...odd player fun time in a cave. However, in general just because they don't mention everything about an exploit doesn't mean it's content in their minds. 99% of the time they won't talk about an exploit publicly as that leads to more harm than good.
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Man, I should start petting tribbles with all my alts in odd places just make people waste some GM's time.
(I'm not actually going to do that)
I wouldn't doubt that its possible or even likely that they're simply doing that out of humor or to mess with people. In fact maybe I should do something like that now just to mess with people.
I wouldn't doubt that its possible or even likely that they're simply doing that out of humor or to mess with people. In fact maybe I should do something like that now just to mess with people.
There are sounds that we know signal a player is using the foundry. Normally petting a tribble won't troll anyone.
As the thread title states, they are investigating this...odd player fun time in a cave. However, in general just because they don't mention everything about an exploit doesn't mean it's content in their minds. 99% of the time they won't talk about an exploit publicly as that leads to more harm than good.
That's fair enough. As I said in an earlier post, I am anti-exploit of any degree. However, my point was that if complaints about it are not responded to, should we not just learn to accept it and not allow it to ruin our own gameplay?
Now that I see Cryptic is looking into it, however, that changes the discussion considerably.
As the thread title states, they are investigating this...odd player fun time in a cave. However, in general just because they don't mention everything about an exploit doesn't mean it's content in their minds. 99% of the time they won't talk about an exploit publicly as that leads to more harm than good.
This isn't Cryptic's version of LOST is it? Weird things happening on an island...
What's so special about the cave? I have to know! [Grabs duffel bag of tribbles and heads to Risa.]
Sometimes I think I play STO just to have something to complain about on the forums.
This isn't Cryptic's version of LOST is it? Weird things happening on an island...
I'm not allowed to answer that question....
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What's strange about that? The default privacy setting is Friends Only, the default ship is the Light Cruiser, and a combatless Foundry mission awards 10 Diplo CXP. Rank of Attache or Consul indicates thus indicates that the character involved has ground somewhere between 250 and 5000 of these missions, and thus has earned something on the order of 240K to 4.8M minerals doing it. They make no beaming sounds because they are not beaming, they are actually logging in and out. Accolade points indicate that they've earned accolades only from basic level-ups, no other content, and an unsearchable fleet is, well, normal, because frankly, if you make your fleet, or yourself, searchable, you get spammed by creepers and beggars, so everyone does that. And 100 shield points is the standard strength of a Standard Issue Noob Shield, which, being farm toons, they would never have upgraded.
There's nothing STRANGE about this. It's a perfectly comprehensible farming operation. What is being farmed may possibly be regarded as exploitative, but there's nothing strange or unusual going on. This is a game about doing things to acquire resources, and that's precisely what they're doing.
What's strange about that? The default privacy setting is Friends Only, the default ship is the Light Cruiser, and a combatless Foundry mission awards 10 Diplo CXP. Rank of Attache or Consul indicates thus indicates that the character involved has ground somewhere between 250 and 5000 of these missions, and thus has earned something on the order of 240K to 4.8M minerals doing it. They make no beaming sounds because they are not beaming, they are actually logging in and out. Accolade points indicate that they've earned accolades only from basic level-ups, no other content, and an unsearchable fleet is, well, normal, because frankly, if you make your fleet, or yourself, searchable, you get spammed by creepers and beggars, so everyone does that. And 100 shield points is the standard strength of a Standard Issue Noob Shield, which, being farm toons, they would never have upgraded.
This.
It's very cute people discovering what a bot farmer is.
wow, you guys realy sound creepy as hell , here are the fact :
- you just saw a bunch of people in riza cave : you dont know why
- beaming in & out : you dont know where
- they are all from same fleet : you still dont know why or know this fleet I guess
- you obviously have no clue or no proof of anykind on what they are doing.
and then you come up with a bunch of assumptions more creepy on each posts !
during WW II we had "that kind of people" reporting neighbor for similar unsignificant things, most of the time for just being jalous of anything.
Do I have to remind you how we dealt with people like you after war ?
I will now give you some assumptions too but with proof based on game mechanic and completely 'legal' use of game :
- Yes for a foundry mission you do have to test a lot and who else than your fleetmates are gentle enough to help you ? for example before loosing nearly all my foundry missions because of bugs and crashes I was building funny foundry missions with NPC having names, looking like and talking specific expressions of my own fleetmates.
to help the mission being more accurate and NPC being more of a chalange, since it's scaling on how many teamates you take with you and you can only be 5 teamate same time we had to team up and beam in & out with different people many times.
I was mixing enemy groups across the map becasue of that : if you place 1 NPC of a team in the middle of another NPC team, once player(s) attack him its own team move over there to defend.
But we had to test each group of them to make it work so the mission would be a real hard chalenge or simply do what you realy want it to do.
- another one : you may not know that but some people realy like to do PVP again & again (ground or space). Some of our fleetmate realy like that and I know a few friendly fleets that do too so,
using the 'challenge player" right clic option normaly open a challenge window. The trouble is on ESD (for ex) and a lot of map there's that nasty bug when the 1st player get the challenge invite but the one that initiate the challenge does not, there's workaround but still anoying.
On that, there's also loadout & boffs most anoying bugs that will happend randomly if you start a space pvp from a ground map or from space, and it apears that from some location you apparently getting those bugs less often.
- another realy simple example of why you could see me and my fleetmates hanging around on ground and beaming in & out at least a few times : We DO like to have meeting with other fleets for PVP or PVE events so we ask all our members to meet same place to have fun before we go into joined missions or pvp.
- we also using a special foundry mission (not eligible for reward of anykind) to make our review boards, promotions and some special fleet meeting when high ranked officer need to talk either of recruit promotions, fleet policies, etc...
the last one reason I can see too but there's probably countless other, is this one :
Have you ever heard of SSR channel ( Subspace Radio Channel) or other community chans like those ? those community channels are making a lot of Events everywhere and I remember being in riza caves with them having realy funny parties.
From time to time there are people at those events that chalenge others for tournament or simply doing STFs for DPS or else.
So obviously there's countless reasons you can see a lot of people of the same fleet at same time same place, does that make them cheaters or exploiters ? If you still think so then you probably have a serious probleme and you 'd better hurry talking to some special doctors.
Just to let you know, my own fleets have realy strict policies on exploit or cheating where our members are asked to report to command officer if they think that someone is doing so within fleets... We do investigate realy seriously that kind of behavior and if cheating or using exploit it's our command staff that will report to Criptic member doing that and same times will kick them out of fleet.
We also make a point of not playing or having events with some well known fleets that DO for sure use PVP cheats or exploits.
like having Sensor analysis on anykind of ships or Rapid fire 3, Scatered volley 3, Fire at will 3, beam overload 3 running all the time at same time.
Or for those who remember them : the so called "511" foundry missions
WE DID SAW THAT and reported them for using those cheats & exploits.
One last thing :
seeing how you all react and prompt to report for anything,
I realy hope one day Criptic will use same kind of policies that we have in real life for "abusive reports"
you know, in most countries you can be prosecute for that kind of behavior. Why not doing it in games too, like a temporary ban for"abusive reports".
Same time abusive reports would probably help a lot by having to investigate lot less case and resolve them a lot faster.
ON that, have fun with eachothers and stop beeing haters plz.
Dark Side (KDF)
HOUSE OF BORG
"I am FLATULUS of Borg, Resistance if Futile! Prepare to pull my finger!"
We know they are exploiting the foundry because the exact sounds from the foundry are being heard. This is not the first time they have used these devices either.
Decided to see what all the hubbub is about and went to check out Risa.
Didn't find anyone doing anything suspicious in the cave. I did find two other people crouched down in the corners looking for exploiters though lol.
Went to SFA and holy TRIBBLE it's creepy. Just as described, level 50 no fleet characters log in for a few seconds and then log out in the bushes. It's kind of like SFA is haunted. Apparitions suddenly appear out of thin air and then vanish a few seconds later. I watched for about 10 mins, and whoever is doing this has a whole lot of characters. I didn't see any repeats logging in. Very creepy.
Yeah, beaming in and out from SFA is what I do from time to time with 18 chars :
what am I doing ?
Just inviting to bridge from another fleetmate or else to transfer resources like comodidites, doffs, etc to contribute in fleet holdings projects or reputation on a specific chars...
Damn, that's so creepy isnt it !!!
Dark Side (KDF)
HOUSE OF BORG
"I am FLATULUS of Borg, Resistance if Futile! Prepare to pull my finger!"
If you ask me, I think that the Foundry should not be granting rewards that can be used anywhere other than on foundry-related stuff. If that happened the only people using the foundry would be those who want to create and share their own stories, and those who want to experience those stories. Yes that means that far fewer people would be using it, but would that really be a bad thing? The ones using it for anything other than telling or experiencing stories don't even care that there is a story. It's blow up/kill everything, collect the reward, rinse and repeat.
We can already level our character to max in relatively short order from DOffing alone. and we don't even have to leave sector space once to do it, or even be logged in once we've queued up our DOff assignments.
So long as the foundry yields rewards that apply to anything other than the Foundry, then there will always be exploits. But then, even if it only rewarded stuff pertaining to itself, people would exploit to get that as well.
How many people would play foundry missions if the awarded nothing at all beyond the potential experience of a well-told story? I would. So would a lot of Star Trek fans. But there are so many things about this game that drive away Trek fans. My sister, who is a big Star Trek fan, took one look at the bridge of my ship and didn't want to see any more of the game when she saw how stupid the bridge looked because it was so big. This game alienates the very ones who would have gotten the most out of it and attracts the ones who couldn't care less about it really.
Anyway... Like I said... as long as there's something to gain from the foundry, people will find a way to exploit it to get it.
I would agree with you on foundry missions but there's one tiny point I'm not sure you are aware of, I dont remember exact numbers since I gave up foundry since last time it went down for few weeks and by the way did lost most of them but read this, Foundry is made like that
- you have a limted foundry slots like 4 I think or maybe 8
- to buy more slots you need like 32k or 40k dilithium
- foundry reward your foundry chars with dili for that purpose but I think (never tried) you cannot share it with your holodec chars when you can use your holodec chars own dilithium to buy extra foundry slots
So yes there's definitly tempting ways to find exploit in that.
- maybe rewarding only specific foundry tokens or something like that on foundry chars to buy extra slots might help avoid it
- being able to buy from holodec chars those specific token or else with zen or dilithium to add more slots would be realy welcome too
that second part is essentialy to avoid having to use our own foundry chars to farm dili or foundry token like a millions time just to add a few extra slots.
maybe not the best solution but at least taking out dilithium reward in foundry and find another way to be able to add extra foundry slots is definitly a way to search.
On the investigate officer reports here is what I think :
giving it up last year for a repeatable dilithium reward from any kind of missions that qualify (+20mn missions) was in my opinion a big misstake that alowed the so called "511" missions to exist and give some people the oportunity to earn like 50 Millions dilithium in a few hours/days.
Now that it's back with a daily cooldown I think it's quite simple and good, no more exploit on that part.
And honestly if people dont get at least a few dilithium from foundry each day, foundry would be dead for age and only people like I and my fleet would still use it for some "review board" and command meetings like I describe in an earlier post.
Dark Side (KDF)
HOUSE OF BORG
"I am FLATULUS of Borg, Resistance if Futile! Prepare to pull my finger!"
during WW II we had "that kind of people" reporting neighbor for similar unsignificant things, most of the time for just being jalous of anything.
Do I have to remind you how we dealt with people like you after the war?
Did you really just compare this STO drama TRIBBLE to WWII? I can't even begin to image how long your arms are to make a reach like that.....
Did you really just compare this STO drama TRIBBLE to WWII? I can't even begin to image how long your arms are to make a reach like that.....
I admit it's quit a hard comparison !
maybe I should have sticked with real life "aubsive reports" which is probably less painfull to read for Designated persons. but still.
what having long arms have to do with that btw ? are you refering to deformity or some kind ?
cause I dont see your point here and wondering what to think about it ?
thx for explaining this plz
Dark Side (KDF)
HOUSE OF BORG
"I am FLATULUS of Borg, Resistance if Futile! Prepare to pull my finger!"
I would agree with you on foundry missions but there's one tiny point I'm not sure you are aware of, I dont remember exact numbers since I gave up foundry since last time it went down for few weeks and by the way did lost most of them but read this, Foundry is made like that
- you have a limted foundry slots like 4 I think or maybe 8
- to buy more slots you need like 32k or 40k dilithium
You can buy 4 extra foundry slots for 10k dilithium.
maybe I should have sticked with real life "aubsive reports" which is probably less painfull to read for Designated persons. but still.
what having long arms have to do with that btw ? are you refering to deformity or some kind ?
cause I dont see your point here and wondering what to think about it ?
thx for explaining this plz
Hmm no deformity reference. It's a play on the informal use of reaching i.e. exaggerating. In other words I thought your comprison had a lot of exaggeration.
Also, I don't think Cryptic would consider these abusive reports. However, I don't speak for Crytic, so who knows how they feel about it. I imagine they will investigate the server logs and determine if any one is being naughty and act accordingly.
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maybe the people using the thing there were just a group of guys wanting to get some extra dil, rather than farmer bots who then send you scam offers through mail.
We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.
Dare to share how you'll close this thread?
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It's dilithium.
You're gonna have to take my word for it lol...I don't wanna get in trouble
EDIT: This is inregards to the SFA dudes, no clue what happened at Risa
Foundry Mission Database
Check out my Foundry missions:
Standalone - The Great Escape - The Galaxy's Fair - Purity I: Of Denial - Return to Oblivion
Untitled Series - Duritanium Man - The Improbable Bulk - Commander Rihan
It's about large groups of alts chain-petting their Tribbles in odd places. Why, what did you think it might have been? :cool:
Man, I should start petting tribbles with all my alts in odd places just make people waste some GM's time.
(I'm not actually going to do that)
As the thread title states, they are investigating this...odd player fun time in a cave. However, in general just because they don't mention everything about an exploit doesn't mean it's content in their minds. 99% of the time they won't talk about an exploit publicly as that leads to more harm than good.
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I wouldn't doubt that its possible or even likely that they're simply doing that out of humor or to mess with people. In fact maybe I should do something like that now just to mess with people.
There are sounds that we know signal a player is using the foundry. Normally petting a tribble won't troll anyone.
That's fair enough. As I said in an earlier post, I am anti-exploit of any degree. However, my point was that if complaints about it are not responded to, should we not just learn to accept it and not allow it to ruin our own gameplay?
Now that I see Cryptic is looking into it, however, that changes the discussion considerably.
Thanks for your response.
This isn't Cryptic's version of LOST is it? Weird things happening on an island...
What's so special about the cave? I have to know!
[Grabs duffel bag of tribbles and heads to Risa.]
I'm not allowed to answer that question....
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Time to take a vacation, I think.
their are setting to hide your self and if you are the fleet master or have the permission can also hide a fleet from being searchable
system Lord Baal is dead
^^ Give this man a Bells!
It's very cute people discovering what a bot farmer is.
- you just saw a bunch of people in riza cave : you dont know why
- beaming in & out : you dont know where
- they are all from same fleet : you still dont know why or know this fleet I guess
- you obviously have no clue or no proof of anykind on what they are doing.
and then you come up with a bunch of assumptions more creepy on each posts !
during WW II we had "that kind of people" reporting neighbor for similar unsignificant things, most of the time for just being jalous of anything.
Do I have to remind you how we dealt with people like you after war ?
I will now give you some assumptions too but with proof based on game mechanic and completely 'legal' use of game :
- Yes for a foundry mission you do have to test a lot and who else than your fleetmates are gentle enough to help you ? for example before loosing nearly all my foundry missions because of bugs and crashes I was building funny foundry missions with NPC having names, looking like and talking specific expressions of my own fleetmates.
to help the mission being more accurate and NPC being more of a chalange, since it's scaling on how many teamates you take with you and you can only be 5 teamate same time we had to team up and beam in & out with different people many times.
I was mixing enemy groups across the map becasue of that : if you place 1 NPC of a team in the middle of another NPC team, once player(s) attack him its own team move over there to defend.
But we had to test each group of them to make it work so the mission would be a real hard chalenge or simply do what you realy want it to do.
- another one : you may not know that but some people realy like to do PVP again & again (ground or space). Some of our fleetmate realy like that and I know a few friendly fleets that do too so,
using the 'challenge player" right clic option normaly open a challenge window. The trouble is on ESD (for ex) and a lot of map there's that nasty bug when the 1st player get the challenge invite but the one that initiate the challenge does not, there's workaround but still anoying.
On that, there's also loadout & boffs most anoying bugs that will happend randomly if you start a space pvp from a ground map or from space, and it apears that from some location you apparently getting those bugs less often.
- another realy simple example of why you could see me and my fleetmates hanging around on ground and beaming in & out at least a few times : We DO like to have meeting with other fleets for PVP or PVE events so we ask all our members to meet same place to have fun before we go into joined missions or pvp.
- we also using a special foundry mission (not eligible for reward of anykind) to make our review boards, promotions and some special fleet meeting when high ranked officer need to talk either of recruit promotions, fleet policies, etc...
the last one reason I can see too but there's probably countless other, is this one :
Have you ever heard of SSR channel ( Subspace Radio Channel) or other community chans like those ? those community channels are making a lot of Events everywhere and I remember being in riza caves with them having realy funny parties.
From time to time there are people at those events that chalenge others for tournament or simply doing STFs for DPS or else.
So obviously there's countless reasons you can see a lot of people of the same fleet at same time same place, does that make them cheaters or exploiters ? If you still think so then you probably have a serious probleme and you 'd better hurry talking to some special doctors.
Just to let you know, my own fleets have realy strict policies on exploit or cheating where our members are asked to report to command officer if they think that someone is doing so within fleets... We do investigate realy seriously that kind of behavior and if cheating or using exploit it's our command staff that will report to Criptic member doing that and same times will kick them out of fleet.
We also make a point of not playing or having events with some well known fleets that DO for sure use PVP cheats or exploits.
like having Sensor analysis on anykind of ships or Rapid fire 3, Scatered volley 3, Fire at will 3, beam overload 3 running all the time at same time.
Or for those who remember them : the so called "511" foundry missions
WE DID SAW THAT and reported them for using those cheats & exploits.
One last thing :
seeing how you all react and prompt to report for anything,
I realy hope one day Criptic will use same kind of policies that we have in real life for "abusive reports"
you know, in most countries you can be prosecute for that kind of behavior. Why not doing it in games too, like a temporary ban for"abusive reports".
Same time abusive reports would probably help a lot by having to investigate lot less case and resolve them a lot faster.
ON that, have fun with eachothers and stop beeing haters plz.
If Criptic had "abusive report" policies ending in temporary bans... I'd do that all day and would encourage you to do so too
Yeah, beaming in and out from SFA is what I do from time to time with 18 chars :
what am I doing ?
Just inviting to bridge from another fleetmate or else to transfer resources like comodidites, doffs, etc to contribute in fleet holdings projects or reputation on a specific chars...
Damn, that's so creepy isnt it !!!
I would agree with you on foundry missions but there's one tiny point I'm not sure you are aware of, I dont remember exact numbers since I gave up foundry since last time it went down for few weeks and by the way did lost most of them but read this, Foundry is made like that
- you have a limted foundry slots like 4 I think or maybe 8
- to buy more slots you need like 32k or 40k dilithium
- foundry reward your foundry chars with dili for that purpose but I think (never tried) you cannot share it with your holodec chars when you can use your holodec chars own dilithium to buy extra foundry slots
So yes there's definitly tempting ways to find exploit in that.
- maybe rewarding only specific foundry tokens or something like that on foundry chars to buy extra slots might help avoid it
- being able to buy from holodec chars those specific token or else with zen or dilithium to add more slots would be realy welcome too
that second part is essentialy to avoid having to use our own foundry chars to farm dili or foundry token like a millions time just to add a few extra slots.
maybe not the best solution but at least taking out dilithium reward in foundry and find another way to be able to add extra foundry slots is definitly a way to search.
On the investigate officer reports here is what I think :
giving it up last year for a repeatable dilithium reward from any kind of missions that qualify (+20mn missions) was in my opinion a big misstake that alowed the so called "511" missions to exist and give some people the oportunity to earn like 50 Millions dilithium in a few hours/days.
Now that it's back with a daily cooldown I think it's quite simple and good, no more exploit on that part.
And honestly if people dont get at least a few dilithium from foundry each day, foundry would be dead for age and only people like I and my fleet would still use it for some "review board" and command meetings like I describe in an earlier post.
Did you really just compare this STO drama TRIBBLE to WWII? I can't even begin to image how long your arms are to make a reach like that.....
I admit it's quit a hard comparison !
maybe I should have sticked with real life "aubsive reports" which is probably less painfull to read for Designated persons. but still.
what having long arms have to do with that btw ? are you refering to deformity or some kind ?
cause I dont see your point here and wondering what to think about it ?
thx for explaining this plz
system Lord Baal is dead
Hmm no deformity reference. It's a play on the informal use of reaching i.e. exaggerating. In other words I thought your comprison had a lot of exaggeration.
Also, I don't think Cryptic would consider these abusive reports. However, I don't speak for Crytic, so who knows how they feel about it. I imagine they will investigate the server logs and determine if any one is being naughty and act accordingly.
If it is, we'll know come Season 10, if "the fat guy" marooned on the island with no food is actually fatter rather than thinner.