Well the picture in the blog is apparently the USS Nellore, NCC-93475 so presumably the first Tempest class will have a lower registry nuber than that.
That's not how registry numbers work. Read my post again.
That's not how registry numbers work. Read my post again.
The TOS U.S.S. Enterprise didn't get an -A at first when it was first refitted.
True. However, the Enterprise refit didn't get a new class designation, whereas this does seem to be a new class, which implies a more significant distinction.
You could be right, of course, but in my opinion that there should be the Nellore-A.
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Sweet looking ship. I think I'll take one. Also, hoping later this week or maybe next week we'll see the Fleet Garumba or something for KDF and Roms for the C-store? Would be nice.
I damn near squee'd when I realized what this was.
That said, I'm a bit iffy about the decision to retire the vanilla Fleet Patrol Escort. Why not just add the Fleet Patrol Escort Refit as a separate ship and let people choose which one they'd rather purchase? While I'm already dreaming of ways to leverage the two Lt. Cmdr BOFF slots for maximum fun there are going to be people who prefer the straightforward uncomplicated BOFF seating of the vanilla Patrol Escort and would love to have the extra Tac Console of the current Fleet Patrol Escort.
Personally I'd suggest leaving the vanilla Fleet Patrol Escort at T1 and adding the Fleet Patrol Escort Refit (maybe rename it as Fleet Tempest-class to lower confusion) as something requiring a more developed Fleet Shipyard...say T3 or thereabouts.
Whilst we're on the argument of registry numbers, I wouldn't look too much into it. There are many examples (within Trek lore) where the registry numbers don't match up to what they should be.
At the end of the day though, it's just a number. I wasn't aware that all ships needed a letter following said number either. Weirdly, I thought that was specific to the flagship, otherwise other vessels such as the Defiant, Prometheus, Endeavor, Intrepid and Melbourne (etc) would have additional suffixes.
In addition, aren't ships sometimes renamed? Maybe this ship (for the purpose of this argument) was named (under developmental) as the USS Tempest, but renamed (upon launch) to the USS Nellore?
That's not how registry numbers work. Read my post again.
The TOS U.S.S. Enterprise didn't get an -A at first when it was first refitted.
I did read your post. If the USS Tempest, the first of it's class also has the USS Nellore as a member of it's class then the USS Tempest would have been commissioned first. Thus if the USS Nellore has a registry number NCC-93475, the Tempest which would have been commissioned before it would have a registry number that come before 93475 (i.e. lower than 93475).
I must admit I had a very positive reaction to the design from the first look at it.
Looking at it longer... I don't really feel how rounded the saucer deflector is. It's consistent with previous Patrol Escorts (this 2410 refit is essentially a +1 Dervish), though I wish it had been closer to the Vesta-classes secondary deflectors. But that's just a nitpick out of a whimsical preference for more aerodynamism in space. Yeah, don't mind me.
What bothers me more visually are the nacelle pylons and the warp nacelles themselves. They seem extremely organic, to the point that it makes them look more featureless, and akin to a rush job. I'd have expected them spruced up with a bit more visual complexity to match the standard set by the saucer (which is excellent!) and previous 2409 refits.
This is probably a buy for me. I'd need more views of the ship to get a better opinion of her (underside? rear?) - so that's probably going to be decided when I spin it around in the shipyard store. I'm really happy that the attention to detail (bridge compatible with Origin bridge, those phaser strips) from the Avenger has carried on.
I'm happy to see another 2409/10 refit. Not the ship style I think people were looking the most forward to, but considering the popularity of the Patrol Escort, I can't say I'm all that surprised. I do wish I had not just bought the Avenger for one of my Tac alts, though! xD
If there is an actual rear gun turret, that deploys on Red Alert, I am going to be blown away.
Are you kidding me, Cryptic? This new Patrol Escort is TRIBBLE! I will throw mine away when this goes life like that, because it misses an important Lt. Cmdr. Tactical BO Slot.. hell, it's missing a complete Ensign slot! The current has 5! BOs, and when you change it to the current, the ONLY federation warship I really like how it looks and flies goes to hell...
And what about the current Fleet Patrols ingame? I bet they aren't even changed, and if, they are bugged as hell and we lose equip
Are you kidding me, Cryptic? This new Patrol Escort is TRIBBLE! I will throw mine away when this goes life like that, because it misses an important Lt. Cmdr. Tactical BO Slot.. hell, it's missing a complete Ensign slot! The current has 5! BOs, and when you change it to the current, the ONLY federation warship I really like how it looks and flies goes to hell...
And what about the current Fleet Patrols ingame? I bet they aren't even changed, and if, they are bugged as hell and we lose equip
Great design work! I don't really like the tying of costumes to a Fleet ship now though. Giving fleets a special skin was enough imo. Looking forward to a similar ship KDF and ROM side, hope their nicest skins aren't tied to the fleet system however.
Regarding registries, the last modern Starfleet class to be released was the Avenger-class, which had a Registry of NCC-97500.
I woudn't be surprised to see the Tempest trump that by a few hundreds, or hop up to NCC-98000
Why couldn't the Tempest be a predecessor to the Avenger? Just because it's been released to us more recently, doesn't necessarily mean to say that it's a newer Starfleet design.
im sure when this goes live we will see it in esd ? if so can u place one out in the spacedocks for us to get up close look at her before we buy her ? thanks great ship hope to see more soon ... my wallet is ready
Really wish Cryptic would finish putting in the remaining canonical ships like they promised. I could've easily seen this BOFF layout used on the New Orleans or the Yeager (with a slower turn rate) than it being used on another Federation Escort.
And like others have noted, what of the Romulans and the KDF?
The Vesta is already fleet cause its a 5 console ship. What i would like Vesta wise is for them to actually do a proper job on the model itself, there are so many things missing and incorrect.
SO, make my Vesta shine like she's suppose to and while u devs are at it, fix that darn misaligned Phaser Lance on the Galaxy! I dont even own one and it bothers me!
its 10 console ship but no fleet level because it have 1.3 shield mod and 27k hull, ALL fleet sci ships are 10 console and 1.43 shield mod and 29.7k hp
The design is pretty good and a huge improvement over the originals. Those stats though, pretty powerful. This bodes well for other ships needing some retrofit love.
Are you kidding me, Cryptic? This new Patrol Escort is TRIBBLE! I will throw mine away when this goes life like that, because it misses an important Lt. Cmdr. Tactical BO Slot.. hell, it's missing a complete Ensign slot! The current has 5! BOs, and when you change it to the current, the ONLY federation warship I really like how it looks and flies goes to hell...
And what about the current Fleet Patrols ingame? I bet they aren't even changed, and if, they are bugged as hell and we lose equip
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Hm... that BOFF setup is something else. Two Lt. Cmdr slots? One of them Universal?
Heck, this could be a ship that actually pries my Science captains out of their Vestas and into a non-Sci vessel for a ride now and then.
Or becomes an Escort-Tank-from-Hell. I'm going to be seriously tempted on this one and go all the way to get a Maelstrom class.
Older C-Store ships are starting to look really obsolete (not just somewhat obsolete).
And with that tail gun? Anybody trying an alpha decloak on that sucker is in for a surprise.
I hate to say it, but adding that much firepower to the rear arc means those ships can easily reach out and touch any ship in any direction.
The Nadion Saturation Bomb? That's a wicked, wicked weapon.
I don't imagine this is going to be welcomed into the PvP ranks with open arms.
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At the end of the day though, it's just a number. I wasn't aware that all ships needed a letter following said number either. Weirdly, I thought that was specific to the flagship, otherwise other vessels such as the Defiant, Prometheus, Endeavor, Intrepid and Melbourne (etc) would have additional suffixes.
It's not all ships, just ones that have been destroyed or decommissioned, then recommissioned as a new class. The new Defiant could be said to require an -A after its registry, but since it's a renamed Sao Paulo I guess it gets an exception.
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Whilst we're on the argument of registry numbers, I wouldn't look too much into it. There are many examples (within Trek lore) where the registry numbers don't match up to what they should be.
At the end of the day though, it's just a number. I wasn't aware that all ships needed a letter following said number either. Weirdly, I thought that was specific to the flagship, otherwise other vessels such as the Defiant, Prometheus, Endeavor, Intrepid and Melbourne (etc) would have additional suffixes.
In addition, aren't ships sometimes renamed? Maybe this ship (for the purpose of this argument) was named (under developmental) as the USS Tempest, but renamed (upon launch) to the USS Nellore?
I echo sentiments that the owners of the retired FPE's should be getting something. Please don't introduce a precedent for upgrading fleet-quality ships that you'll have to re-buy.
You have the option to change this now before it launches, so please don't make my mind wander when I'm looking at other fleet-quality ships and wondering if I should even bother if there's going to be a theoretical upgrade in the near future that will make me regret my purchase.
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True. However, the Enterprise refit didn't get a new class designation, whereas this does seem to be a new class, which implies a more significant distinction.
You could be right, of course, but in my opinion that there should be the Nellore-A.
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Draguas, phalanx, marauder, dacoit, and others need a bump up.
Fleet Dacoit Flight-Deck Cruiser
Fleet Draguas Support Vessel
Fleet Phalanx Science Vessel
Fleet Vandal Destroyer
Fleet K'Tanco Battle Cruiser
Fleet Pach/Puyjaq Raptor
Fleet Qorgh/SuQob Raptor
Fleet Ki'tang/Ch'Tang Bird-of-Prey
Fleet Hegh'ta Heavy Bird-of-Prey
Fleet Marauder Flight-Deck Cruiser
Fleet Guramba Siege Destroyer
But I guess AT BEST we'll get a Fleet Guramba... someday... Because it's the only KDF ship Geko knows about...
That said, I'm a bit iffy about the decision to retire the vanilla Fleet Patrol Escort. Why not just add the Fleet Patrol Escort Refit as a separate ship and let people choose which one they'd rather purchase? While I'm already dreaming of ways to leverage the two Lt. Cmdr BOFF slots for maximum fun there are going to be people who prefer the straightforward uncomplicated BOFF seating of the vanilla Patrol Escort and would love to have the extra Tac Console of the current Fleet Patrol Escort.
Personally I'd suggest leaving the vanilla Fleet Patrol Escort at T1 and adding the Fleet Patrol Escort Refit (maybe rename it as Fleet Tempest-class to lower confusion) as something requiring a more developed Fleet Shipyard...say T3 or thereabouts.
At the end of the day though, it's just a number. I wasn't aware that all ships needed a letter following said number either. Weirdly, I thought that was specific to the flagship, otherwise other vessels such as the Defiant, Prometheus, Endeavor, Intrepid and Melbourne (etc) would have additional suffixes.
In addition, aren't ships sometimes renamed? Maybe this ship (for the purpose of this argument) was named (under developmental) as the USS Tempest, but renamed (upon launch) to the USS Nellore?
I did read your post. If the USS Tempest, the first of it's class also has the USS Nellore as a member of it's class then the USS Tempest would have been commissioned first. Thus if the USS Nellore has a registry number NCC-93475, the Tempest which would have been commissioned before it would have a registry number that come before 93475 (i.e. lower than 93475).
Looking at it longer... I don't really feel how rounded the saucer deflector is. It's consistent with previous Patrol Escorts (this 2410 refit is essentially a +1 Dervish), though I wish it had been closer to the Vesta-classes secondary deflectors. But that's just a nitpick out of a whimsical preference for more aerodynamism in space. Yeah, don't mind me.
What bothers me more visually are the nacelle pylons and the warp nacelles themselves. They seem extremely organic, to the point that it makes them look more featureless, and akin to a rush job. I'd have expected them spruced up with a bit more visual complexity to match the standard set by the saucer (which is excellent!) and previous 2409 refits.
This is probably a buy for me. I'd need more views of the ship to get a better opinion of her (underside? rear?) - so that's probably going to be decided when I spin it around in the shipyard store. I'm really happy that the attention to detail (bridge compatible with Origin bridge, those phaser strips) from the Avenger has carried on.
I'm happy to see another 2409/10 refit. Not the ship style I think people were looking the most forward to, but considering the popularity of the Patrol Escort, I can't say I'm all that surprised. I do wish I had not just bought the Avenger for one of my Tac alts, though! xD
If there is an actual rear gun turret, that deploys on Red Alert, I am going to be blown away.
And what about the current Fleet Patrols ingame? I bet they aren't even changed, and if, they are bugged as hell and we lose equip
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I woudn't be surprised to see the Tempest trump that by a few hundreds, or hop up to NCC-98000
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Really wish Cryptic would finish putting in the remaining canonical ships like they promised. I could've easily seen this BOFF layout used on the New Orleans or the Yeager (with a slower turn rate) than it being used on another Federation Escort.
And like others have noted, what of the Romulans and the KDF?
its 10 console ship but no fleet level because it have 1.3 shield mod and 27k hull, ALL fleet sci ships are 10 console and 1.43 shield mod and 29.7k hp
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The Fleet version already exists, like the Galaxy-X did before teh revamp. Same class name, same ship model, different BOff layout.
Heck, this could be a ship that actually pries my Science captains out of their Vestas and into a non-Sci vessel for a ride now and then.
Or becomes an Escort-Tank-from-Hell. I'm going to be seriously tempted on this one and go all the way to get a Maelstrom class.
Older C-Store ships are starting to look really obsolete (not just somewhat obsolete).
And with that tail gun? Anybody trying an alpha decloak on that sucker is in for a surprise.
I hate to say it, but adding that much firepower to the rear arc means those ships can easily reach out and touch any ship in any direction.
The Nadion Saturation Bomb? That's a wicked, wicked weapon.
I don't imagine this is going to be welcomed into the PvP ranks with open arms.
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The Fleet Patrol Escort has always been the Maelstrom-class :P
It's not all ships, just ones that have been destroyed or decommissioned, then recommissioned as a new class. The new Defiant could be said to require an -A after its registry, but since it's a renamed Sao Paulo I guess it gets an exception.
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You have the option to change this now before it launches, so please don't make my mind wander when I'm looking at other fleet-quality ships and wondering if I should even bother if there's going to be a theoretical upgrade in the near future that will make me regret my purchase.