Carpet Bomb console looks interesting, but the price (2500 Zen) is pretty steep.
The 2500 is for the console, costume and the ability to buy the fleet version for $5 instead of $25. Consider it a $5 costume and console pack, that's how I am seeing it.
Heh, it sure is better looking than all the current Patrol variants.
But are you kidding me?! It gets more shields, a 5th tac slot and a great Boff layout for only 1 turn rate? Since when do C-Store versions of free leveling Tier 5 ships get so much better? (Looking at you, MVAE and advanced escort.)
Thankfully the fused rear dual cannons seems a useless gimmick, hopefully as well as the console...
Still, you should really tone down the power creep. You stopped it with reps, now you open it up again with new ships.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
You release this while there is still NO Tier 5 C-Store raptor At ALL! A ship that is actually supposed to be heavy firepower with an engineering twist. Outrageous, as usual.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
So once again, Cryptic make an OP ship with 5 Tactical consoles, only this time we can get it off the ZEN Store for Feds (Romulans have Scimitar and I don't know about Klingon ships enough), while at the same time laughing at those who bought a different ship that would have loved this one more instead.
How about giving us our Reputation powers back that we worked our asses off for, since you Devs love giving people so much power!? And this is only just after they released Season 9 with the Undine Lockbox that could give out a 5 Tactical console ship anyways! Just another typical Cryptic move: Make people spend money on one thing that seems good, only to come out with something better no more than a couple weeks later.
And I guess for those who bought the current/out-dated version of the ship can just discharge the ship without any discount on the new version or compensation, right?
The ONLY thing good I can say about this is that the timing of this blog release was just in time to save me from spending ZEN on a different ship.
Both of them are T5 ships who also have special consoles and console options. If you want to split hairs, the Armitage is an Akira refit.
The Thunderchild is an Akira refit. The Armitage is an Akira retrofit.
And I think we both interpreted nakedsnake001's post differently. I'm thinking he/she meant that the Tempest is the same deal as the Regent in that the Regent is a refit of a ship that's already tier 5 and has different console and BOFF arrangements than its equal-tiered counterpart in addition to the console.
The Thunderchild is an Akira refit. The Armitage is an Akira retrofit.
And I think we both interpreted nakedsnake001's post differently. I'm thinking he/she meant that the Tempest is the same deal as the Regent in that the Regent is a refit of a ship that's already tier 5 and has different console and BOFF arrangements than its equal-tiered counterpart in addition to the console.
Probably. I wasn't focusing on the retrofit/refit part (they've never really set in stone what the tangible difference is).
I was more pointing out that the 2,500 zen price tag follows the precedent of new T5 ships with consoles, and isn't anything unusual.
Probably. I wasn't focusing on the retrofit/refit part (they've never really set in stone what the tangible difference is).
I was more pointing out that the 2,500 zen price tag follows the precedent of new T5 ships with consoles, and isn't anything unusual.
That makes sense.
Going a li'l off-topic here, I'm wondering if they're gonna include a tier-5 ship skin with the C-store MVAE when its MVAM console gets the Galaxy revamp update.
Going a li'l off-topic here, I'm wondering if they're gonna include a tier-5 ship skin with the C-store MVAE when its MVAM console gets the Galaxy revamp update.
I have no idea, but I would certainly like a couple of things to change.
I'd like for this to not be a new precedent set where I'm going to have to second-guess myself when it comes to buying Fleet ships since I'll be understandably concerned if it ends up getting 'updated' and I'll have to re-buy it.
And I'd also like the in-universe lore to make a return to these dev blogs. I'd like to see _Kestrel_ or JHeinig add in some flavor text to these dev blogs for new or updated ships like they used to.
This flat stat and spec thing is kind of boring. I prefer the little tidbits of lore regarding the ship construction and design from Starfleet's perspective.
Would it be possible to make current owners of the Fleet Patrol Escort eligible for the 1 fleet module discount that will be enjoyed by owners of the C-store version? Players have already spent $20 to get the Fleet Patrol Escort. Having to spend another $25 to get the discount and then another $5 to buy the upgrade isn't an appealing prospect for those of us that already have the Fleet Patrol Escort.
Has anyone considered the idea that the cannon pasted on the back of this thing might be the special ability for basic escorts in the future? It would be just like the raiding bonus, comm array, and second deflector that already exist.
4/4 layout and a crazy-looking new BOff seating arrangement? Both with a 5th Tac console?
Iunno. This irks me tremendously and sets off some serious power creep red flags, but I guess it didn't work out too badly for the Mogh/Avenger. It's an aft slot rather than a fore so it's not like this thing'll be loading mad forward cannons - at best it gets another aft torp or a turret or a 360 weapon of some kind, even with the extra tac console that won't be that big a boost.
Ugh. I'll wait and see, but this rubs me the wrong way.
On the plus side, 2409-compliant skin, and it's gorgeous to boot. The Dervish line was always a closet favorite of mine looks-wise since it's so different but still looks distinctly Federation. Art-side, this thing is a winner.
ETA on 2409 Prometheus? <_<
EDIT: lol read the blogs jex, it's a fused slot. Well so much for my bigger complaint. That BOff loadout seems kinda over-the-top still, though.
wow, quite a ship. with this and the palisade and unidine box, we are now moveing past the tier 5.5 ship days, this is tier 5.75, or +1 and a half or something. before the double LTCs would cost you a LT station, giving you 2 ENS instead.
also, finally a patrol escort skin i can stand to look at, never have liked the other looks. just about the most irreverent escort on the fed side just became relevant again in a big way, this sets a new and exciting precedent for old, left behind ships. to bad about the armatige and fleet akira, it just got irrelevant in a big way, and i quite liked what i could do with its costumes more then i do for the patrol's.
so, whats next? another sovereign refit? lol certainly not a galaxy retrofit...refit. its kind of sad what kind of power creep cryptic is willing to do for some random ships, but how much of a death grip they have on others, keeping them terrible no mater how many sales it costs them.
its in awful poor taste that the next c store/fleet ship to be released after the galaxy X 'reboot', was not the fleet gurumba (with stats like these). its not like it would have taken ANY new art assets, it cant even use a fleet material.
speaking of the kdf, will they ever get a decent escort? a single one with 5 tac consoles? fleet versions of the tier 3 and 4 rapters, perfectly good skins still not useable at end game?
why is there still no fleet version of ALL of these ships?
no new art required, they will simply print money! just put them in the fleet store, there are so many station niches that the kdf lack, you don't have to think up any new ones for these.
Seriously, can we just stop pretending to care about power creep now?
We have people on the one hand justifying the changes to the trait system as a means to rein in power creep, then we get an escort with five tac consoles and a 4/4 weapon configuration.
And don't forget the free rapid fire 1 on that back cannon.
And, seriously, did the feds really need another escort?
Did they need one as much as the KDF and the Romulans need a science ship?
I have no idea, but I would certainly like a couple of things to change.
I'd like for this to not be a new precedent set where I'm going to have to second-guess myself when it comes to buying Fleet ships since I'll be understandably concerned if it ends up getting 'updated' and I'll have to re-buy it.
And I'd also like the in-universe lore to make a return to these dev blogs. I'd like to see _Kestrel_ or JHeinig add in some flavor text to these dev blogs for new or updated ships like they used to.
This flat stat and spec thing is kind of boring. I prefer the little tidbits of lore regarding the ship construction and design from Starfleet's perspective.
I don't think I've experienced much of that beyond what happened to the U.S.S. Gold last year and the few that came after that.
Has anyone considered the idea that the cannon pasted on the back of this thing might be the special ability for basic escorts in the future? It would be just like the raiding bonus, comm array, and second deflector that already exist.
While I'd lol, then ask what happened to the targeting computers that's in the pipeline, I don't think so. Usually, fleet ships cost 5 modules because there's something 'extra' to them. The B'Rel's advanced cloak, for instance. If the rear weapon was the new Escort thing, I don't think that extra module cost would be there.
I'll be buying it out of sentiment's sake because the picture of the Hermes class on the wiki is what made me download the game in the first place. The patrol escort was my dream goal as a noobling.
That said this is a really disappointing release. There are few people here who would disagree that the KDF much more badly deserves some shipyard love. As far as releases go, the Feds have had 3 warships developed in the past year or so(Kumari, Avenger, Tempest), and the KDF have had 1.
Why is starfleet becoming so militarized? Talk about immersion breaking. We're making warships that the KDF has no equivalent to?
This is just backwards.
However, maybe, if we're lucky, they're going to do the same they did with the Avenger and in a month give the kdf a Tem'pest class which is the same ship + a cloak. They could even be really cool and make it more war-y by making it a 5/2(3*) and kill two birds with one stone. They could be even more cool and take the opportunity to skin it in a Lethean design.
I'm sorry. I can't type anymore without bursting into laughter. Maybe if you klingons are real nice, we'll give you a fleet guramba in 2017. Starfleet needs a full carrier battle cruiser with thalaron fighters first though. For exploration.
I'm sorry. I can't type anymore without bursting into laughter. Maybe if you klingons are real nice, we'll give you a fleet guramba in 2017. Starfleet needs a full carrier battle cruiser with thalaron fighters first though. For exploration.
I fully expect the next dev blog to proudly announce a new KDF shuttle.
One that will be almost as good as a delta flyer, but without the charm and bugged.
Here are the facts you're missing though. There are already STO canon ships commissioned that exceed NCC-93475. The U.S.S. Odyssey has a registry of NCC-97000, and the U.S.S. Avenger's registry is NCC-97500. Unless it was a refit of an old ship, the U.S.S. Tempest's registry number would have had to be past NCC-97500. And using those facts, the U.S.S. Nellore IS a refit, as it is of the newest ship class and has a registry number lower than NCC-97500, the last canonically established registry number.
Or they were built before those other ships and this is a retcon. Just because it's being added to the game now doesn't mean the ship launched in 2410. A new player coming into the game a month or more down the road will still start in 2409, will hit level cap and be able to purchase this ship well before they play any episode that takes place in 2410, they won't know any different.
Or Cryptic is just lousy when it comes to keeping track of registry numbers. :P
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The 2500 is for the console, costume and the ability to buy the fleet version for $5 instead of $25. Consider it a $5 costume and console pack, that's how I am seeing it.
You bet! It's obvious that DSSV and RSV Refits are coming with the release of secondary deflectors.
But are you kidding me?! It gets more shields, a 5th tac slot and a great Boff layout for only 1 turn rate? Since when do C-Store versions of free leveling Tier 5 ships get so much better? (Looking at you, MVAE and advanced escort.)
Thankfully the fused rear dual cannons seems a useless gimmick, hopefully as well as the console...
Still, you should really tone down the power creep. You stopped it with reps, now you open it up again with new ships.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
And the Armitage. And the Avenger.
Indeed, there will be a sort of token to trade in the old with the new one or the new one just will replace the old one?
Should provide plenty of variants with all the potential costume pieces you could unlock.
You release this while there is still NO Tier 5 C-Store raptor At ALL! A ship that is actually supposed to be heavy firepower with an engineering twist. Outrageous, as usual.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
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How about giving us our Reputation powers back that we worked our asses off for, since you Devs love giving people so much power!? And this is only just after they released Season 9 with the Undine Lockbox that could give out a 5 Tactical console ship anyways! Just another typical Cryptic move: Make people spend money on one thing that seems good, only to come out with something better no more than a couple weeks later.
And I guess for those who bought the current/out-dated version of the ship can just discharge the ship without any discount on the new version or compensation, right?
The ONLY thing good I can say about this is that the timing of this blog release was just in time to save me from spending ZEN on a different ship.
Both of them are T5 ships who also have special consoles and console options. If you want to split hairs, the Armitage is an Akira refit.
And I think we both interpreted nakedsnake001's post differently. I'm thinking he/she meant that the Tempest is the same deal as the Regent in that the Regent is a refit of a ship that's already tier 5 and has different console and BOFF arrangements than its equal-tiered counterpart in addition to the console.
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Probably. I wasn't focusing on the retrofit/refit part (they've never really set in stone what the tangible difference is).
I was more pointing out that the 2,500 zen price tag follows the precedent of new T5 ships with consoles, and isn't anything unusual.
They forgot to include the integrated Phased battlecloak!!:eek::P
Please update the blog with this missing info!
Thanks.
P.S. Not a big escort player but I might get this just because the look/material is the best fed ship in the game. Pretty just to fly her around.
Going a li'l off-topic here, I'm wondering if they're gonna include a tier-5 ship skin with the C-store MVAE when its MVAM console gets the Galaxy revamp update.
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I have no idea, but I would certainly like a couple of things to change.
I'd like for this to not be a new precedent set where I'm going to have to second-guess myself when it comes to buying Fleet ships since I'll be understandably concerned if it ends up getting 'updated' and I'll have to re-buy it.
And I'd also like the in-universe lore to make a return to these dev blogs. I'd like to see _Kestrel_ or JHeinig add in some flavor text to these dev blogs for new or updated ships like they used to.
This flat stat and spec thing is kind of boring. I prefer the little tidbits of lore regarding the ship construction and design from Starfleet's perspective.
I make it short:
You. Tempest. Crew. Video.
Thank you
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Has anyone considered the idea that the cannon pasted on the back of this thing might be the special ability for basic escorts in the future? It would be just like the raiding bonus, comm array, and second deflector that already exist.
Back the eff up
4/4 layout and a crazy-looking new BOff seating arrangement? Both with a 5th Tac console?
Iunno. This irks me tremendously and sets off some serious power creep red flags, but I guess it didn't work out too badly for the Mogh/Avenger. It's an aft slot rather than a fore so it's not like this thing'll be loading mad forward cannons - at best it gets another aft torp or a turret or a 360 weapon of some kind, even with the extra tac console that won't be that big a boost.
Ugh. I'll wait and see, but this rubs me the wrong way.
On the plus side, 2409-compliant skin, and it's gorgeous to boot. The Dervish line was always a closet favorite of mine looks-wise since it's so different but still looks distinctly Federation. Art-side, this thing is a winner.
ETA on 2409 Prometheus? <_<
EDIT: lol read the blogs jex, it's a fused slot. Well so much for my bigger complaint. That BOff loadout seems kinda over-the-top still, though.
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also, finally a patrol escort skin i can stand to look at, never have liked the other looks. just about the most irreverent escort on the fed side just became relevant again in a big way, this sets a new and exciting precedent for old, left behind ships. to bad about the armatige and fleet akira, it just got irrelevant in a big way, and i quite liked what i could do with its costumes more then i do for the patrol's.
so, whats next? another sovereign refit? lol certainly not a galaxy retrofit...refit. its kind of sad what kind of power creep cryptic is willing to do for some random ships, but how much of a death grip they have on others, keeping them terrible no mater how many sales it costs them.
its in awful poor taste that the next c store/fleet ship to be released after the galaxy X 'reboot', was not the fleet gurumba (with stats like these). its not like it would have taken ANY new art assets, it cant even use a fleet material.
speaking of the kdf, will they ever get a decent escort? a single one with 5 tac consoles? fleet versions of the tier 3 and 4 rapters, perfectly good skins still not useable at end game?
why is there still no fleet version of ALL of these ships?
Fleet Dacoit Flight-Deck Cruiser
Fleet Draguas Support Vessel
Fleet Phalanx Science Vessel
Fleet Vandal Destroyer
Fleet K'Tanco Battle Cruiser
Fleet Pach/Puyjaq Raptor
Fleet Qorgh/SuQob Raptor
Fleet Ki'tang/Ch'Tang Bird-of-Prey
Fleet Hegh'ta Heavy Bird-of-Prey
Fleet Marauder Flight-Deck Cruiser
Fleet Guramba Siege Destroyer
no new art required, they will simply print money! just put them in the fleet store, there are so many station niches that the kdf lack, you don't have to think up any new ones for these.
Not traditional FED designs anyway so .... HAND EM OVER.
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Seriously, can we just stop pretending to care about power creep now?
We have people on the one hand justifying the changes to the trait system as a means to rein in power creep, then we get an escort with five tac consoles and a 4/4 weapon configuration.
And don't forget the free rapid fire 1 on that back cannon.
And, seriously, did the feds really need another escort?
Did they need one as much as the KDF and the Romulans need a science ship?
While I'd lol, then ask what happened to the targeting computers that's in the pipeline, I don't think so. Usually, fleet ships cost 5 modules because there's something 'extra' to them. The B'Rel's advanced cloak, for instance. If the rear weapon was the new Escort thing, I don't think that extra module cost would be there.
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That said this is a really disappointing release. There are few people here who would disagree that the KDF much more badly deserves some shipyard love. As far as releases go, the Feds have had 3 warships developed in the past year or so(Kumari, Avenger, Tempest), and the KDF have had 1.
Why is starfleet becoming so militarized? Talk about immersion breaking. We're making warships that the KDF has no equivalent to?
This is just backwards.
However, maybe, if we're lucky, they're going to do the same they did with the Avenger and in a month give the kdf a Tem'pest class which is the same ship + a cloak. They could even be really cool and make it more war-y by making it a 5/2(3*) and kill two birds with one stone. They could be even more cool and take the opportunity to skin it in a Lethean design.
I'm sorry. I can't type anymore without bursting into laughter. Maybe if you klingons are real nice, we'll give you a fleet guramba in 2017. Starfleet needs a full carrier battle cruiser with thalaron fighters first though. For exploration.
I fully expect the next dev blog to proudly announce a new KDF shuttle.
One that will be almost as good as a delta flyer, but without the charm and bugged.
Or they were built before those other ships and this is a retcon. Just because it's being added to the game now doesn't mean the ship launched in 2410. A new player coming into the game a month or more down the road will still start in 2409, will hit level cap and be able to purchase this ship well before they play any episode that takes place in 2410, they won't know any different.
Or Cryptic is just lousy when it comes to keeping track of registry numbers. :P