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Kinda glad the Klingons weren't screwed over in the new FE (spoilers)
mimey2
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Pretty much what the title says honestly. I'm really glad that they didn't TRIBBLE the Klingons over in the FE. Sure maybe Shon should have a reprimand or something on his record for interrupting Sugihara, but still, it was an in-game admission by the Federation that they were wrong.
Honestly, it was the highlight of the entire FE for me, even over the Iconian appearing.
Honestly, it was the highlight of the entire FE for me, even over the Iconian appearing.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.pwlaughingtrendy wrote:I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
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And boy! was I smiling at the end of the mission.. the 8472 at Sol was distraction and ESD gets blown up, the main 8472 fleet was at Qo'noS and all we lost was a few plantings on the shipyard
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-Roach, when asked about Klingon extinction!
Tuvok was good in trying to smooth things over, to at least get people together to start the process of working something out.
And the Federation needs to get rid of Sugihara. The man is an idiot best suited for spewing pretty words and long phrases to not get anything done. I'm sure his style of blathering is suitable somewhere (like in a remote sector to negotiate trade agreements with the Pakleds or something).
But in dealing with the Klingons, the Federation should have known full well what the Klingons look for in who they deal with, and Sugihara is everything they detest and fits a horrible stereotype of Starfleet (too much roundabout talk, not enough directness, and not enough action).
Capt Shon however was the type the Klingon Empire could deal with, at least for the timeframe of the FE. He's an accomplished warrior who in STO, is the one sent to some of the direst circumstances as commander of the USS Enterprise. He's blunt and straight to the point, and fits in dealing with the Klingons who are in the middle of conflict. When it was proposed for everyone to work together against the Undine, of course the Empire got riled up... where was the Federation when the Empire asked for her help when it first became apparent how dangerous and extensive the Undine threat was?... Capt Shon pushing the open admission cleared the huge stumbling block to negotiations.
Some good moments during the conference:
Sugihara finally did what he was good for and shut the **** up.
D'Tan got put in his place.
First as the OP says the record has been set straight and it's good to see the game confirm everyone's suspicions instead of going in some other stupid direction that magically puts the Federation in the clear.
Then the new accord spends some decent time over Qo'nos in one big mess of a fight, I don't remember such a fleet fight since that last one in the Dominion arc.
And we finish in the Great Hall, the accord is set and perhaps now the Empire are allies again the faction could get some more interest from players who avoided them simply because we were the 'bad guys'.
Don't really recall Klingons admitting they were wrong openly much on screen either.. the ones that did did so privately. Klingons are the kind that party with their enemies the previous night getting sloshed and then going to battle the next day (TNG: Redemption). I would actually find is uncharacteristic if they apologized for acts during the war and in their opinion they were actually in the right.
We still live!!!!! Hahahahahahahahaa! We live and we will conquer!!!!! Hahahahahaaha!
-Roach, when asked about Klingon extinction!
Ehhhh I won't argue with that. I doubt there even is a Klingon word for 'apology.' Still something in the mission to take a little wind out of the hard-liners sails would have been nice, show that the it wasn't entirely Klingons All Right Feds All Wrong. Some Undine infiltrators in the KDF somewhere to disprove the 'we aren't infiltrated, but you are!' Or one of the ships that shows up with Shon being the recently-repaired USS DeWitt. Some little reminders that nobody is infallible, even if their egos refuse to admit it openly. A little humble pie is healthy for everyone now and then, particularly the prideful.
you mean recently-rebuilt...you can't repair a destroyed hulk, and that particular mission has you destroy it, with no way to refuse
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Seriously, by about the third time Koren opened her mouth I was yelling, "Would you shut the phekk up about how many ships we brought, already?!"
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Thats what mission retconns are for. Personally I've always hated running that mission, absolutely feeling like The Bad Guy then my tac officer suggests (with a laugh no less) that we simply execute the helpless survivors after they fought tooth and nail trying to defend their ship. Even my KDF characters I'm still The Good Guy (just of a different story), except in that moment it feels like the KDF counterpart to Divide Et Impera. They fought well, I got what I wanted, let me leave them adrift in space to fight another day. There's no honor in executing the helpless.
But obviously I'm getting off topic. Back on that, I'll agree on Koren. She's like every negative Klingon stereotype rolled into one, and certainly isn't going to attract people interested in the whole honor-and-nobility side of things.
because i do actually have some characters who would love nothing more than to blast that ship straight to gre'thor
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
was it? Dont recall it getting blown tho.. the current shipyard looks exactly the same or was that pwe shafting KDF again??
We still live!!!!! Hahahahahahahahaa! We live and we will conquer!!!!! Hahahahahaaha!
-Roach, when asked about Klingon extinction!
as to the shipyard the players use...it's probably a different shipyard that just uses the exact same model, because i refuse to believe the klingons only have one dinky little shipyard in orbit of their homeword...look at utopia planitia when you assault it during Second Star to the Right; it's HUGE, and the federation isn't even a military-focused faction!
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
All of the representatives in STO are blant stereotypes, the worst of them is S'taass in my opinion since he needn't to be, but he acts like one on purpose which adds further insult. I doubt that his consant ******** about "boring talks, me want smash!" help any diplomatic debate. A klingon Ambassador would be better suited, of course Cryptic would need to realize that Klingon doesn't mean to spout "hurr durr smash!" every time one opens his mouth. A Klingon ambassador wouldn't even need to be a warrior, just to take what he or she does seriously which S'taass doesn't.
Sugihara is the stereotype of the blant, boring politician and we need the fresh and "cool" Shon to finally act instead of talk - it's a pretty simple way to please our current political zeitgeist, really. I considered the FE to be rather well thought out, although I'm afraid it falls apart the more I play or think about it
I do however hope for a new shipyard for Klingons, similiar to a ESD revamp
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They could have made one similar to the Fleet bases.. not an exact copy, but something similar
We still live!!!!! Hahahahahahahahaa! We live and we will conquer!!!!! Hahahahahaaha!
-Roach, when asked about Klingon extinction!
I thought the qo'nos spaceyard that was blown up was that unused one on the far side of the planet (the one not near the warp in/'parking orbit')
If not, they dun goofed... either that or the planet killer was not working at full power so the stations shields deflected the brunt of the attack...
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you must be a closet feddy bear. killing that crew prevented them from warning the federation of our attack. which saved Klingon lives. stop worrying so much about the enemy in a time of war and worry about your own troops.
I agree that lizard as our ambassador is a little off. but I disagree that our ambassador does not need to be a warrior, he or she should very much be a warrior but using diplomacy as their weapon to secure a better position for the Empire in their battle of ideas.
yeah pretty sure it bought the farm. we do have a foundry map of the battle of kronos where the ship yard was already destroyed once before.
I bet we get a revamp ship yard mid season or start of next but really we don't need it. current station has all we need of a orbital shipyard.
Where is the honour in killing helpless, surrendered, prisoners? We're Klingons, not barbarians!
This character is why I don't play my Romulan any more. Tovan Khev is NOT my BFF! Get him off my bridge!
As much as I like blowing fedrats out of the sky, I do have to agree - there was ways to prevent communication (such as putting the entire crew in escape pods) so the way I tend to 'justify' it was that as the crew had fought well, it was better to kill them and let them head to the fedrat version of stovakor then leave them to the disgrace of survival and slavery, ect
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a successful mission is where the honor is. every ship either side destroys kills the so called helpless look at the mess hall for and other assorted location on a ship.
as for escape pods have you ever watched the shows? they all have communication equipment in them. sure plot wise they are always broken it seems but still.
And I know this game and later shows had Klingon's taking prisoners but we also have the Line Kirk says about Klingons not taking prisoners.
you federation types are always trying to apply the Human moral code when talking about Klingon Honor, much of it would apply but we also have that federation patsy Worf saying that no greater honor than winning. I don't agree with that attitude. but if killing the enemy can save the lives of some of my warriors im gonna do it.
Since the Bombs were dropped on japan and the bombings of Europe in ww2 the argument of killing the so called innocent has been debated. that's not going to change but it is of my belief, that no matter the condition of the enemy, on duty, off duty, armed, unarmed or contribiuting to the war effort in any way. makes them a valid target until the war is over.
Shon needed to interrupt Sugihara. Otherwise he would have just been shouting a very bad excuse.
...are you trying to be insulting, trying to tar us as little fedrat supporters?
Honor has many meanings beyond victory at all costs - it would have been honourable to let them survive in escape pods (communications disabled, of course), same as it was honourable to kill them - Honor is a point of view to klingons and thus if they had left the crew marooned yet still took down the shipyard, it would have been seen as an honourable action as Honor is not a set code, but a flexible framework tied to the klingon essence
I remember an old remark made by a kdf player once 'Honour is decided by the victor'
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It made my day and gave the FE a great feel.
My only dislike of the whole war is that it was never given enough life so that the cease fire had real meaning ingame.
R.I.P
I wanted to tear that TRIBBLE moustache off Sugihara up until Shon interupted him.
R.I.P
Agreed on all acounts. It was a great relief to me to see that they didn't retcon the entire premise behind the Fed vs. KDF war and that they decided to show consistency in this storyline.
I really hate retcons, they leave me feeling like all I previously did/played was nothing and no existant.
They way they decided to make this FE play out honors the basic background story that was present throughout STO as a reason for the hostilities between the Empire and the Federation.
Although, I'm also going to be consistent with myself and once more say that I don't like this peace/cease fire that they pulled off, because I storngly believe that most of the reason for that is the studio's inability and unwillingness to develop and support separate factions.
I hope I'm wrong, oh how I hope I'm wrong on this, but I think we'll start missing the good and fun Klingon missions in the future.
I felt it would have been interesting if the Klinks had a series of missions that had them investigating B'Vats activities to continuing the war on worf's behalf, not saying they should remake those missions for KDF use (though they could), but have KDF unique episodes revolving around B'Vat.
I agree completely.
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It owuld have made the war a little more meaningful in its end if both sides had discovered one person was hell bent on making sure it continues.
That shipyard that got blown up was no where near big enough to house ships like the Bortas or Mogh, plus Qo'nos is the major production facility for the empires ships so I would bet its expansive like UP is.