Actually, in TNG EPisode All Good Things the future Enterprise D...AKA...the Galaxy X had a cloak due to the tensions between the Federation, Romulans and Klingons in that specific timeline.
In that episode the klingons had conqueroed the romulans. The treaty was no longer valid so cloaks were ok to have; especially since tensions were high between the kdf and the feds.
The Defiant had a cloak in DS9 because it had something to do with ONLY USING IN THE GAMMA QUADRANT.
The romulans gave the defiant a cloak, and had an officer stationed on the ship to oversee its use. Eventually they forgot to romulan. It was probably too expensive to keep a rom character just standing around for no reason in the show.
Every time I see this topic come up, there are always dozens of people that scream "NO!" and nobody has a decent argument as to why. They just reuse the same non-answers. I can only speculate the reason. Vanity? Possibly.
Nevertheless I haven't see one good reason to not have cloaking on Federation ships. However, I also don't see any reason to add cloak to existing ships since there is MES, which works just as well at the cost of a science ability slot. I would suggest that only new Federation ships be built with cloaking, phase cloaking. Existing ships weren't built for cloaking technology, with the exception of the Defiant. I speculate this is why the Pegasus ended up phased into an asteroid.
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Every time I see this topic come up, there are always dozens of people that scream "NO!" and nobody has a decent argument as to why. They just reuse the same non-answers. I can only speculate the reason. Vanity? Possibly.
Nevertheless I haven't see one good reason to not have cloaking on Federation ships. However, I also don't see any reason to add cloak to existing ships since there is MES, which works just as well at the cost of a science ability slot. I would suggest that only new Federation ships be built with cloaking, phase cloaking. Existing ships weren't built for cloaking technology, with the exception of the Defiant. I speculate this is why the Pegasus ended up phased into an asteroid.
How about all fed ships just get built in MES. Escorts can get rank 2, Sci ships get rank 3, and cruisers get rank 1. Fed ships now have cloak and it does not step on the toes of the KDF or the Republic. Deal?
Every time I see this topic come up, there are always dozens of people that scream "NO!" and nobody has a decent argument as to why. They just reuse the same non-answers. I can only speculate the reason. Vanity? Possibly.
How can the canon of the game, as well as 48 years of star trek canon, not be a decent answer? Why not ask for klingons to have 2 heads and 12 arms if the canon doesn't matter?
Starfleet doesn't use cloaks. It's just that simple!
Kirk stole a cloak and used it once, and then they never used it again. The moment Picard learned about the phased cloak he used it to save his ship and then immediately informed the romulans about the breach of the treaty. When the romulans gave a cloak to the defiant part of the reason for having it was that a rom officer needed to be on board to make sure it wasn't misused; and when the defiant was destroyed the sao paulo didn't get a new cloak from the romulans.
The canon is clear here. Feds don't use cloaks. The federation uses its ships' visibility as a symbol of all the federation stands for. Every time someone askes for fed cloaks on everything they're asking for the game to blow off 48 years of canon.
I would say that S31 has probably already desined a cloak which is far better then those of the Klingons or Romulans.They started doing this when Kirk stold it of the Rommie ship.
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How can the canon of the game, as well as 48 years of star trek canon, not be a decent answer? Why not ask for klingons to have 2 heads and 12 arms if the canon doesn't matter?
Starfleet doesn't use cloaks. It's just that simple!
Kirk stole a cloak and used it once, and then they never used it again. The moment Picard learned about the phased cloak he used it to save his ship and then immediately informed the romulans about the breach of the treaty. When the romulans gave a cloak to the defiant part of the reason for having it was that a rom officer needed to be on board to make sure it wasn't misused; and when the defiant was destroyed the sao paulo didn't get a new cloak from the romulans.
The canon is clear here. Feds don't use cloaks. The federation uses its ships' visibility as a symbol of all the federation stands for. Every time someone askes for fed cloaks on everything they're asking for the game to blow off 48 years of canon.
Take a close look at the history. Federation doesn't use cloaks. Why because it violates a treaty. not because they don't like them. And considering the current state of the Galaxy and the Star Empire. For all tense and purposes the Star Empire is no more. Sela MIA and no known sucessor. yes their are ships and planets loyal to the Tal Shiar but no formal government. that government is now the Republic which as far as we know NEVER signed it. Until cryptic says otherwise Alergon is null and void
Take a close look at the history. Federation doesn't use cloaks. Why because it violates a treaty. not because they don't like them. And considering the current state of the Galaxy and the Star Empire. For all tense and purposes the Star Empire is no more. Sela MIA and no known sucessor. yes their are ships and planets loyal to the Tal Shiar but no formal government. that government is now the Republic which as far as we know NEVER signed it. Until cryptic says otherwise Alergon is null and void
They have said otherwise. It's in the game lore. The Federation is going to uphold the treaty no matter what the state of the Romulan empire is.
Also, seriously, what is the obsession with cloaks anyway? They can be fun, and I enjoy it on my Romulan and Klingon, but it's certainly not something that is so integral to gameplay that the Federation needs it outside of how they can get it now.
So the feddie prez, the holders of the IP, the makers of the game, most big name Starfleet captains, the crapton of canon behind it, and yours truly say the Treaty is still on and fed cloaks are a no-no. But just cause you say so it is not. I go back to my first post. CLOAKS FOR ALL! Just call us the Terran Empire when it happens cause it means the death of the Federation and the rise of Grimdark. Something that looking at the STO forums I guess EVERYONE wants.
They have said otherwise. It's in the game lore. The Federation is going to uphold the treaty no matter what the state of the Romulan empire is.
Also, seriously, what is the obsession with cloaks anyway? They can be fun, and I enjoy it on my Romulan and Klingon, but it's certainly not something that is so integral to gameplay that the Federation needs it outside of how they can get it now.
because right now Feds are at a Sever disadvantage in this area. and again no need for it. and The last time we heard from the devs and such on this issue was BEFORE LoR which changed much. thus there is a grey area. Until the Devs, CBS, said it's still in effect post LoR then treaty null and void.
because right now Feds are at a Sever disadvantage in this area. and again no need for it. and The last time we heard from the devs and such on this issue was BEFORE LoR which changed much. thus there is a grey area. Until the Devs, CBS, said it's still in effect post LoR then treaty null and void.
How are they at anymore disadvantage than they were before? One that they seem to have completely dealt with without too much of a problem.
LoR doesn't really change what the devs said at all, since what was said is that the Federation will honour the treaty no matter what the state of the Romulan Empire is.
How are they at anymore disadvantage than they were before? One that they seem to have completely dealt with without too much of a problem.
LoR doesn't really change what the devs said at all, since what was said is that the Federation will honour the treaty no matter what the state of the Romulan Empire is.
Umm try palying around in the Kerrat system. and again the last time the devs said anything was before LOR. the game changed severly with it thus the stance on Fed cloaks.
Ah here we go again, what's wrong with different factions having different technology and different strategies?
I could give all of the reasons why in the universe of Star Trek the Federation does not use cloaking devices, but I won't, not for a game that now has us flying around in Undine bioships.
Go ahead, ask for cloaking devices, ask for any other completely nonsensical thing you can think of, I'm sure if Cryptic thinks they can make money from it, we'll see it.
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Umm try palying around in the Kerrat system. and again the last time the devs said anything was before LOR. the game changed severly with it thus the stance on Fed cloaks.
So learn how to deal with who cloak. Spend more points in ways to detect cloaked ships. Or use one of the ships that has the ability to cloak. Your inability to deal with other people cloaking does not mean that you suddenly need a cloak.
And no, LoR changes nothing that was said about Federation cloaks. Yes I've read what you wrote, no nothing has changed.
So learn how to deal with who cloak. Spend more points in ways to detect cloaked ships. Or use one of the ships that has the ability to cloak. Your inability to deal with other people cloaking does not mean that you suddenly need a cloak.
And no, LoR changes nothing that was said about Federation cloaks. Yes I've read what you wrote, no nothing has changed.
Everything has. It's been proven in all good things that the feds would use cloaking devices if the treaty nolonger apllied. in that timeline the Star Empire was gone. Similar situation here. The Star Empire is all but gone. There is only the Tal Shiar. The Repbulic is a completely new power and NEVER signed the treaty, thus treaty null and void thus feds can use cloaks. Why continue to enforce a treaty with a power that no longer exists
Everything has. It's been proven in all good things that the feds would use cloaking devices if the treaty nolonger apllied. in that timeline the Star Empire was gone. Similar situation here. The Star Empire is all but gone. There is only the Tal Shiar. The Repbulic is a completely new power and NEVER signed the treaty, thus treaty null and void thus feds can use cloaks. Why continue to enforce a treaty with a power that no longer exists
All Good Things proves that in some future that never happened the Federation decided to use cloaks. There have been other futures seen in Star Trek too and the Federation still didn;t use cloaks.
I'll bold the important parts here. In STO, the Federation has decided to uphold the Treaty of Algeron (except in a few cases) no matter what the state of the Romulan Empire is. That means that the Romulans could be members of the Federation and they still wouldn't have cloaks on most of their ships.
There is no curse in Klingon, Romulan, or the tongues of the Federation for the stupidity of this idea.
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Umm try palying around in the Kerrat system. and again the last time the devs said anything was before LOR. the game changed severly with it thus the stance on Fed cloaks.
Oohhh...so the truth comes out. It's about PvP.
Well, here's something everyone can conveniently ignore:
As I've heard so many times on these forums, 'PvP and PvPers don't matter', so obviously that makes the thread null and void.
Also, to go with game-lore as it stands, putting aside whether or not the Romulan Star Empire 'exists' or not, I REALLY doubt the Federation would do something so stupid as to suddenly start looking into cloaking technology RIGHT after they just signed a brand new accord. It'd be really dumb of them diplomatically do do such a thing.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Canon always matters; and your logic is flawed as cloaks on the fed ships would benefit the fed players, but they don't have them due to canon.
Sure, because MES doesn't already function as a cloak.
Any Fed can cloak their ship. They just have to sacrifice a science slot, some consoles, and some skill points to do it. I don't hear anyone complaining about that, but suggest a cloak for Feds, "NO WAH!!!!" I find it hilarious that with the Voth, Borg, Iconians, and Undine all looking to wipe the Federation out of existence, that their principles over cloaks would be the most important thing to preserve. I feel I must quote Javik to make my point:
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Take a close look at the history. Federation doesn't use cloaks. Why because it violates a treaty. not because they don't like them.
Maybe you need to take a closer look at the history. The treaty was signed in 2311. Kirk stole his cloaking device in 2268. For 43 years before the treaty was put into place the federation didn't use cloaking devices even though there was no treaty stopping them. That tells you what you need to know about the federation and its principals.
At some point you're just going to need to accept that cloaks aren't a federation thing. They weren't before the treaty and they haven't been after. It doesn't matter how many "I want! I want! I want! I want!" threads some players make about them. No cloaks for the federation is canon.
Sure, because MES doesn't already function as a cloak.
Any Fed can cloak their ship. They just have to sacrifice a science slot, some consoles, and some skill points to do it. I don't hear anyone complaining about that, but suggest a cloak for Feds, "NO WAH!!!!" I find it hilarious that with the Voth, Borg, Iconians, and Undine all looking to wipe the Federation out of existence, that their principles over cloaks would be the most important thing to preserve. I feel I must quote Javik to make my point:
I'm sorry. Who's getting wiped out of existence? Are you playing the same game I am? The feds are winning on all fronts. I haven't failed a single mission. I've wiped out borg by the thousands and undine and tholians by the hundreds. The federation's doing fine. They don't need cloaks; especially when their only purpose is to give pvpers hard ons.
Maybe you need to take a closer look at the history. The treaty was signed in 2311. Kirk stole his cloaking device in 2268. For 43 years before the treaty was put into place the federation didn't use cloaking devices even though there was no treaty stopping them. That tells you what you need to know about the federation and its principals.
At some point you're just going to need to accept that cloaks aren't a federation thing. They weren't before the treaty and they haven't been after. It doesn't matter how many "I want! I want! I want! I want!" threads some players make about them. No cloaks for the federation is canon.
Umm they were studying cloaks and their might have been a previous agreement between the powers that stopped them from equiping them. And again in all cases with cloaking devices it was only the treaty that stop cloak tech no an inherent dislike. again All good things shows that. And i bet if it didn't vioalte treaty at the time picard would have liked the phase cloak. Where did this so called fed dislike of cloaks come from? All of the lore of Trek and episodes show that the ONLY thing that stops feds from having cloak IS the treaty and right now that treaty is an grey area AT best. Going by last episode for STo Feds and KDF are in a kirk era of relations. non agression but the Khitomer Accords are still not in effect and we have no idea what's all in the documents that formalized the Republic as a legit power. I see no valid arguement against the feds having cloaks at this time.
Umm they were studying cloaks and their might have been a previous agreement between the powers that stopped them from equiping them. And again in all cases with cloaking devices it was only the treaty that stop cloak tech no an inherent dislike. again All good things shows that. And i bet if it didn't vioalte treaty at the time picard would have liked the phase cloak. Where did this so called fed dislike of cloaks come from? All of the lore of Trek and episodes show that the ONLY thing that stops feds from having cloak IS the treaty and right now that treaty is an grey area AT best. Going by last episode for STo Feds and KDF are in a kirk era of relations. non agression but the Khitomer Accords are still not in effect and we have no idea what's all in the documents that formalized the Republic as a legit power. I see no valid arguement against the feds having cloaks at this time.
There were no previous agreements. The treaty was the first one put in place, 160 years after the war. And if scotty can make it work in 45 minutes I'm sure starfleet could have easily duplicated it in 43 years. You're just making TRIBBLE up again because you want it.
Just face it, you're a pvper who wants a cloak for no other reason then you want it. You're like everyone else in this game: willing to throw canon out the window to fill your own needs. It's people like you that have got this game's canon all frelled up.
Of course you're too shortsighted to understand that if every race in kerrat has a cloak then no one's going to be shooting at anyone. No one's going to want to uncloak and take the alpha from everyone else just to get everyone else uncloaked. It's going to be 30 people all flying around invisible hoping someone sneezes and accidentally uncloaks. BORING!
There were no previous agreements. The treaty was the first one put in place, 160 years after the war. And if scotty can make it work in 45 minutes I'm sure starfleet could have easily duplicated it in 43 years. You're just making TRIBBLE up again because you want it.
Just face it, you're a pvper who wants a cloak for no other reason then you want it. You're like everyone else in this game: willing to throw canon out the window to fill your own needs. It's people like you that have got this game's canon all frelled up.
Of course you're too shortsighted to understand that if every race in kerrat has a cloak then no one's going to be shooting at anyone. No one's going to want to uncloak and take the alpha from everyone else just to get everyone else uncloaked. It's going to be 30 people all flying around invisible hoping someone sneezes and accidentally uncloaks. BORING!
Actually a rarely PVP. and sadly the time from Enterprise incident and the signing of the treaty very little is know on the full relation between the feds and the RSE. Thanks to undiscovered country we saw that they did have an Ambassador to the feds so some other formal treaty, maybe not full peace but some treaty existed. heck there had to be one after the Earth Romulan War. You face it if you truly understand Trek you will see this is a very grey area. Again Algeron was made between the RSE and the Fed. For all tense and purpuses the RSE nolonger exists and the Tal Shiar a rougue group like the True Way/ The Republic never signed Algeron so unless it's reenforced by the new agreement it is null and void. and Remember part of the New Romulus treaty was aid and a deal to allow feds cloaking could have been part of it. until the Devs or CBS say otherwise i keep this stance.
Actually a rarely PVP. and sadly the time from Enterprise incident and the signing of the treaty very little is know on the full relation between the feds and the RSE. Thanks to undiscovered country we saw that they did have an Ambassador to the feds so some other formal treaty, maybe not full peace but some treaty existed. heck there had to be one after the Earth Romulan War. You face it if you truly understand Trek you will see this is a very grey area. Again Algeron was made between the RSE and the Fed. For all tense and purpuses the RSE nolonger exists and the Tal Shiar a rougue group like the True Way/ The Republic never signed Algeron so unless it's reenforced by the new agreement it is null and void. and Remember part of the New Romulus treaty was aid and a deal to allow feds cloaking could have been part of it. until the Devs or CBS say otherwise i keep this stance.
Point 1: you can't make up TRIBBLE just because you can't dispute the facts. There's no fed cloaks before the treaty even though they had a copy for decades. There's only 1 phase cloak since the treaty, and it was discontinued once the roms learned about it. The only other instance of a fed cloak is from an alternate future that no longer exists: the enterprise D was destroyed so there's no way riker could make it has admiral's ship.
Point 2: you're the one who was talking about the problems with kerrat and cloaks, so clearly you do pvp there. So your agenda is to deal with pvp issues.
You can keep your stance all you want, but so can cryptic.
And none of that changes the fact that if every ship in kerrat is cloaked it will be boring.
Point 1: you can't make up TRIBBLE just because you can't dispute the facts. There's no fed cloaks before the treaty even though they had a copy for decades. There's only 1 phase cloak since the treaty, and it was discontinued once the roms learned about it. The only other instance of a fed cloak is from an alternate future that no longer exists: the enterprise D was destroyed so there's no way riker could make it has admiral's ship.
Point 2: you're the one who was talking about the problems with kerrat and cloaks, so clearly you do pvp there. So your agenda is to deal with pvp issues.
You can keep your stance all you want, but so can cryptic.
And none of that changes the fact that if every ship in kerrat is cloaked it will be boring.
again WE DON'T KNOW why Starfleet didn't gene never said anything on it. Only the treaty of Algeron forbad cloaks. nothing else. Phase Cloak was a violatiion of treaty and since at that point the RSE was still strong and viable Picard made the right move but that cloak still exists and could be used in the future. and even though the E-D was destroyed you notice how much STO is similar to that timeline? Feds and KDF at odds, RSE gone, and we have Galaxy X's. As for Kerrat me and a fleetmate went in there for a laugh. we mainly PVE. However that doesn't negate the fact that it's stupid to have the cloak as a console. the VERY minium. Defiant class have standard cloak, Sau Paulo and Gal X BC.
"Fed ships need cloaks!"
"Fed ships need battlecloaks!"
"Fed ships need Phased Cloaks!"
"Fed ships need to be able to fire while under cloak!"
"Fed ships need shields up while under cloak!"
LOL, you guys are simply one big, piece of work. I raise my glass and toast you for such "amazing" group think :eek::D
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All cloaks move up a step
Ships that don't have cloak gets it
Ships that have cloak gets battlecloak
Ships with battlecloak gets EBC
Ships with EBC gets a new form of cloak, it lets them fire anything while undercloak.
And the ships that now need to use that console to cloak are removed from the game
The romulans gave the defiant a cloak, and had an officer stationed on the ship to oversee its use. Eventually they forgot to romulan. It was probably too expensive to keep a rom character just standing around for no reason in the show.
BC and phase cloaking ships >.>
Nevertheless I haven't see one good reason to not have cloaking on Federation ships. However, I also don't see any reason to add cloak to existing ships since there is MES, which works just as well at the cost of a science ability slot. I would suggest that only new Federation ships be built with cloaking, phase cloaking. Existing ships weren't built for cloaking technology, with the exception of the Defiant. I speculate this is why the Pegasus ended up phased into an asteroid.
How about all fed ships just get built in MES. Escorts can get rank 2, Sci ships get rank 3, and cruisers get rank 1. Fed ships now have cloak and it does not step on the toes of the KDF or the Republic. Deal?
Starfleet doesn't use cloaks. It's just that simple!
Kirk stole a cloak and used it once, and then they never used it again. The moment Picard learned about the phased cloak he used it to save his ship and then immediately informed the romulans about the breach of the treaty. When the romulans gave a cloak to the defiant part of the reason for having it was that a rom officer needed to be on board to make sure it wasn't misused; and when the defiant was destroyed the sao paulo didn't get a new cloak from the romulans.
The canon is clear here. Feds don't use cloaks. The federation uses its ships' visibility as a symbol of all the federation stands for. Every time someone askes for fed cloaks on everything they're asking for the game to blow off 48 years of canon.
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Take a close look at the history. Federation doesn't use cloaks. Why because it violates a treaty. not because they don't like them. And considering the current state of the Galaxy and the Star Empire. For all tense and purposes the Star Empire is no more. Sela MIA and no known sucessor. yes their are ships and planets loyal to the Tal Shiar but no formal government. that government is now the Republic which as far as we know NEVER signed it. Until cryptic says otherwise Alergon is null and void
Also, seriously, what is the obsession with cloaks anyway? They can be fun, and I enjoy it on my Romulan and Klingon, but it's certainly not something that is so integral to gameplay that the Federation needs it outside of how they can get it now.
because right now Feds are at a Sever disadvantage in this area. and again no need for it. and The last time we heard from the devs and such on this issue was BEFORE LoR which changed much. thus there is a grey area. Until the Devs, CBS, said it's still in effect post LoR then treaty null and void.
LoR doesn't really change what the devs said at all, since what was said is that the Federation will honour the treaty no matter what the state of the Romulan Empire is.
Umm try palying around in the Kerrat system. and again the last time the devs said anything was before LOR. the game changed severly with it thus the stance on Fed cloaks.
I could give all of the reasons why in the universe of Star Trek the Federation does not use cloaking devices, but I won't, not for a game that now has us flying around in Undine bioships.
Go ahead, ask for cloaking devices, ask for any other completely nonsensical thing you can think of, I'm sure if Cryptic thinks they can make money from it, we'll see it.
And no, LoR changes nothing that was said about Federation cloaks. Yes I've read what you wrote, no nothing has changed.
Everything has. It's been proven in all good things that the feds would use cloaking devices if the treaty nolonger apllied. in that timeline the Star Empire was gone. Similar situation here. The Star Empire is all but gone. There is only the Tal Shiar. The Repbulic is a completely new power and NEVER signed the treaty, thus treaty null and void thus feds can use cloaks. Why continue to enforce a treaty with a power that no longer exists
I'll bold the important parts here. In STO, the Federation has decided to uphold the Treaty of Algeron (except in a few cases) no matter what the state of the Romulan Empire is. That means that the Romulans could be members of the Federation and they still wouldn't have cloaks on most of their ships.
Sorry this goes under the header of "all the rest of them have this toy, I WANT IT TOO!!!! WAAAA!!!"
No just no.
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Oohhh...so the truth comes out. It's about PvP.
Well, here's something everyone can conveniently ignore:
As I've heard so many times on these forums, 'PvP and PvPers don't matter', so obviously that makes the thread null and void.
Also, to go with game-lore as it stands, putting aside whether or not the Romulan Star Empire 'exists' or not, I REALLY doubt the Federation would do something so stupid as to suddenly start looking into cloaking technology RIGHT after they just signed a brand new accord. It'd be really dumb of them diplomatically do do such a thing.
Sure, because MES doesn't already function as a cloak.
Any Fed can cloak their ship. They just have to sacrifice a science slot, some consoles, and some skill points to do it. I don't hear anyone complaining about that, but suggest a cloak for Feds, "NO WAH!!!!" I find it hilarious that with the Voth, Borg, Iconians, and Undine all looking to wipe the Federation out of existence, that their principles over cloaks would be the most important thing to preserve. I feel I must quote Javik to make my point:
At some point you're just going to need to accept that cloaks aren't a federation thing. They weren't before the treaty and they haven't been after. It doesn't matter how many "I want! I want! I want! I want!" threads some players make about them. No cloaks for the federation is canon.
Umm they were studying cloaks and their might have been a previous agreement between the powers that stopped them from equiping them. And again in all cases with cloaking devices it was only the treaty that stop cloak tech no an inherent dislike. again All good things shows that. And i bet if it didn't vioalte treaty at the time picard would have liked the phase cloak. Where did this so called fed dislike of cloaks come from? All of the lore of Trek and episodes show that the ONLY thing that stops feds from having cloak IS the treaty and right now that treaty is an grey area AT best. Going by last episode for STo Feds and KDF are in a kirk era of relations. non agression but the Khitomer Accords are still not in effect and we have no idea what's all in the documents that formalized the Republic as a legit power. I see no valid arguement against the feds having cloaks at this time.
Just face it, you're a pvper who wants a cloak for no other reason then you want it. You're like everyone else in this game: willing to throw canon out the window to fill your own needs. It's people like you that have got this game's canon all frelled up.
Of course you're too shortsighted to understand that if every race in kerrat has a cloak then no one's going to be shooting at anyone. No one's going to want to uncloak and take the alpha from everyone else just to get everyone else uncloaked. It's going to be 30 people all flying around invisible hoping someone sneezes and accidentally uncloaks. BORING!
Actually a rarely PVP. and sadly the time from Enterprise incident and the signing of the treaty very little is know on the full relation between the feds and the RSE. Thanks to undiscovered country we saw that they did have an Ambassador to the feds so some other formal treaty, maybe not full peace but some treaty existed. heck there had to be one after the Earth Romulan War. You face it if you truly understand Trek you will see this is a very grey area. Again Algeron was made between the RSE and the Fed. For all tense and purpuses the RSE nolonger exists and the Tal Shiar a rougue group like the True Way/ The Republic never signed Algeron so unless it's reenforced by the new agreement it is null and void. and Remember part of the New Romulus treaty was aid and a deal to allow feds cloaking could have been part of it. until the Devs or CBS say otherwise i keep this stance.
Point 2: you're the one who was talking about the problems with kerrat and cloaks, so clearly you do pvp there. So your agenda is to deal with pvp issues.
You can keep your stance all you want, but so can cryptic.
And none of that changes the fact that if every ship in kerrat is cloaked it will be boring.
again WE DON'T KNOW why Starfleet didn't gene never said anything on it. Only the treaty of Algeron forbad cloaks. nothing else. Phase Cloak was a violatiion of treaty and since at that point the RSE was still strong and viable Picard made the right move but that cloak still exists and could be used in the future. and even though the E-D was destroyed you notice how much STO is similar to that timeline? Feds and KDF at odds, RSE gone, and we have Galaxy X's. As for Kerrat me and a fleetmate went in there for a laugh. we mainly PVE. However that doesn't negate the fact that it's stupid to have the cloak as a console. the VERY minium. Defiant class have standard cloak, Sau Paulo and Gal X BC.
"Fed ships need cloaks!"
"Fed ships need battlecloaks!"
"Fed ships need Phased Cloaks!"
"Fed ships need to be able to fire while under cloak!"
"Fed ships need shields up while under cloak!"
LOL, you guys are simply one big, piece of work. I raise my glass and toast you for such "amazing" group think :eek::D