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Treaty Of Allgeron

admiralq1732admiralq1732 Member Posts: 1,561 Arc User
edited April 2014 in Federation Discussion
Okay let's consider something A clanmate of my thought of. Firstly though let's look at the history of this treaty. The Treaty was passed in 2311 as a peace treaty between the Romulan Star Empire and the Federation. It forbad the Federation from using and delevoping Cloaks. This with the treaty in place formal peace lasted between the powers for decades. In the 2360's the treaty was damaged when the lost U.S.S. Pegasus had an illegaly made Phase cloak. After Hobus things were in a flux in the Empire. Their center of power was gone so the question if the treaty was still active came out. But with Sela missing there's no real government left of the Star Empire. In fact for all tense and purposes no longer exists. Only a band of Tal Shair forces and some planets are all that's left of it. The Romulan Republic is the new formal government and the treaty is null and void Since that Power never signed it.

Our proposal is this.
1: all fed ships get cloaks
2: Sau Paulo and Galaxy X get Battle Cloak
3: Oberth gets a new skin and a new console. PHASE CLOAK and is only equipable on science ships
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    LOL, just LOL
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    The lore specifically states that the current Federation president is still banning Federation cloaking research because the Federation keeps the agreements it makes, regardless of the status of the other parties. It's got nothing to do with whether or not the RSE is a viable nation-state.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    admiralq1732 wrote: »
    Our proposal is this.
    1: all fed ships get cloaks

    Not all KDF and Rom ships have cloaks...but all Fed will have them? Curious...
    admiralq1732 wrote: »
    2: Sau Paulo and Galaxy X get Battle Cloak

    I'm betting that you're thinking along the lines of the stats of Warbirds with Battle Cloaks rather than along the lines of the stats of Raiders with Battle Cloaks...am I right?
    admiralq1732 wrote: »
    3: Oberth gets a new skin and a new console. PHASE CLOAK and is only equipable on science ships

    Wouldn't the Oberth already have a Cloak based on your #1?
    warmaker001b wrote: »
    LOL, just LOL

    I would have gone more with ROFLMFAOPIMPCUAL than LOL. ;)
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    virusdancer wrote: »
    Not all KDF and Rom ships have cloaks...but all Fed will have them? Curious...
    Gotta nitpick you here. Name one Rom ship that doesn't have battle cloak. And the only KDF one without cloak is the Vo'Quv.
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  • locutusofcactuslocutusofcactus Member Posts: 651 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    starswordc wrote: »
    The lore specifically states that the current Federation president is still banning Federation cloaking...

    Otherwise known as CBS :P
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    starswordc wrote: »
    Gotta nitpick you here. Name one Rom ship that doesn't have battle cloak. And the only KDF one without cloak is the Vo'Quv.

    For Romulans...neither the R'Mor Temporal Science Vessel nor the Talvath Temporal Destroyer have a Cloak at all...much less a Battle Cloak..

    For KDF...well, the list is a little longer.

    Korath Temporal Science Vessel
    Krenn Temporal Destroyer
    Guramba Siege Destroyer
    Scourge Destroyer Retrofit
    Fleet Scourge Destroyer Retrofit
    Varanus Support Vessel
    Fleet Varanus Support Vessel
    Marauder Flight-Deck Cruiser
    Corsair Flight-Deck Cruiser Retrofit
    Fleet Corsair Flight-Deck Cruiser Retrofit
    Vo'Quv Carrier
    Mirror Universe Vo'Quv Carrier
    Fleet Vo'Quv Carrier
    Kar'Fi Battle Carrier
    Fleet Kar'Fi Battle Carrier

    I've got 7 KDF down there in my sig (and a KDF-Rom)...4 of the 7 are flying boats without a Cloak.

    edit: For some reason it's a common misconception about the KDF...but with the 48 T5 boats the KDF have, you're looking at:

    Enhanced Battle Cloak: 2 (B'rels)
    Battle Cloak: 6 (Raiders/LTS Destroyers)
    Standard Cloak: 25 (Battle Cruisers/Raptors/DSDs)
    No Cloak: 15 (Temporals/FDCs/Carriers/Battle Carriers/Support Vessels/non-LTS Destroyers)
  • jmaster29jmaster29 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    admiralq1732 wrote: »
    Okay let's consider something A clanmate of my thought of. Firstly though let's look at the history of this treaty. The Treaty was passed in 2311 as a peace treaty between the Romulan Star Empire and the Federation. It forbad the Federation from using and delevoping Cloaks. This with the treaty in place formal peace lasted between the powers for decades. In the 2360's the treaty was damaged when the lost U.S.S. Pegasus had an illegaly made Phase cloak. After Hobus things were in a flux in the Empire. Their center of power was gone so the question if the treaty was still active came out. But with Sela missing there's no real government left of the Star Empire. In fact for all tense and purposes no longer exists. Only a band of Tal Shair forces and some planets are all that's left of it. The Romulan Republic is the new formal government and the treaty is null and void Since that Power never signed it.

    Our proposal is this.
    1: all fed ships get cloaks
    2: Sau Paulo and Galaxy X get Battle Cloak
    3: Oberth gets a new skin and a new console. PHASE CLOAK and is only equipable on science ships

    IF you want cloak, play Romulans or KDF. GO AWAY. NO FED CLOAKS
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    According to the lore of Star Trek Online, a Federation ship was destroyed on a mission to study the Hobus Supernova while using a cloaking device. The Klingon Empire and Romulan Empire learned about this and withdrew their Ambassadors from the Federation. To repair diplomatic relations with the Klingon Empire and Romulan Empire, the Federation President had to ban the Federation from developing cloaking technology. Therefore, every Starfleet Officer that uses a ship with a cloaking device is violating the law.
  • anodynesanodynes Member Posts: 1,999 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    admiralq1732 wrote: »
    Okay let's consider something A clanmate of my thought of. Firstly though let's look at the history of this treaty. The Treaty was passed in 2311 as a peace treaty between the Romulan Star Empire and the Federation. It forbad the Federation from using and delevoping Cloaks. This with the treaty in place formal peace lasted between the powers for decades. In the 2360's the treaty was damaged when the lost U.S.S. Pegasus had an illegaly made Phase cloak. After Hobus things were in a flux in the Empire. Their center of power was gone so the question if the treaty was still active came out. But with Sela missing there's no real government left of the Star Empire. In fact for all tense and purposes no longer exists. Only a band of Tal Shair forces and some planets are all that's left of it. The Romulan Republic is the new formal government and the treaty is null and void Since that Power never signed it.

    Our proposal is this.
    1: all fed ships get cloaks
    2: Sau Paulo and Galaxy X get Battle Cloak
    3: Oberth gets a new skin and a new console. PHASE CLOAK and is only equipable on science ships

    The treaty wasn't damaged with the incident with the Pegasus, relations with the Romulans were. Treaties are either in force or not, there's no damaging them. After the Kelso incident, President Okeg of the Federation stated that the Federation would continue to honor the treaty (see Path to 2409: Volume 16, Chapter 2). Sela's disappearance doesn't dissolve the Romulan Star Empire anymore than the destruction of Romulus did, just like John Kennedy's assassination didn't dissolve the United States. As far as we know, an interim Emperor/Empress, or other title for head of state, has taken over in her absence, like what happens in every other government where a head of state is somehow unable to serve.
    This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    anodynes wrote: »
    The treaty wasn't damaged with the incident with the Pegasus, relations with the Romulans were. Treaties are either in force or not, there's no damaging them. After the Kelso incident, President Okeg of the Federation stated that the Federation would continue to honor the treaty (see Path to 2409: Volume 16, Chapter 2). Sela's disappearance doesn't dissolve the Romulan Star Empire anymore than the destruction of Romulus did, just like John Kennedy's assassination didn't dissolve the United States. As far as we know, an interim Emperor/Empress, or other title for head of state, has taken over in her absence, like what happens in every other government where a head of state is somehow unable to serve.

    And they're likely completely ineffective, considering that the lore states Sela spent an awful lot of time packing the Senate with yes-men and turned it into her rubber stamp.

    As I said before, it's a matter of honor on the Federation's end, nothing more.
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  • admiralq1732admiralq1732 Member Posts: 1,561 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    again why honor an agreement with a power that no longer exists. It's 2410 now and the time Okeg made that decisions situation is different. The STAR EMPIRE doesn't exist anymore. The Republic does and they never signed the treaty. THey have a seprate treaty that recongized them as the new governmkent thus any treaty with the Star Empire is null and void unless renewed by the new treaty. since we don't know the details and the fact that a President alone can not make that choice points to the fact that the ban of Cloaks should not be in effect.
  • admiralq1732admiralq1732 Member Posts: 1,561 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    anodynes wrote: »
    The treaty wasn't damaged with the incident with the Pegasus, relations with the Romulans were. Treaties are either in force or not, there's no damaging them. After the Kelso incident, President Okeg of the Federation stated that the Federation would continue to honor the treaty (see Path to 2409: Volume 16, Chapter 2). Sela's disappearance doesn't dissolve the Romulan Star Empire anymore than the destruction of Romulus did, just like John Kennedy's assassination didn't dissolve the United States. As far as we know, an interim Emperor/Empress, or other title for head of state, has taken over in her absence, like what happens in every other government where a head of state is somehow unable to serve.
    Kennedy is a poor example. Hobus incident killed the inital government and Sela ruled with an Iron fist. Any chain of command is gone. Hence why some Tal Shair agents are trying to court D'Tan. All that uis left of the Empire is what worlds the Empire holds. They are simply not a power anymore.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    starswordc wrote: »
    Gotta nitpick you here. Name one Rom ship that doesn't have battle cloak. And the only KDF one without cloak is the Vo'Quv.

    Gotta nitpick here.

    Federation

    Klingon Empire

    Romulan Star Empire

    Which of these 3 powers in Star Trek canon have a tradition of Cloak use, especially on a wide scale?

    Tick, tock, tick, tock...

    Not even other Star Trek games have been so stupid as putting cloaks on a wide scale for Starfleet.
    virusdancer wrote: »
    For Romulans...neither the R'Mor Temporal Science Vessel nor the Talvath Temporal Destroyer have a Cloak at all...much less a Battle Cloak..

    For KDF...well, the list is a little longer.

    Korath Temporal Science Vessel
    Krenn Temporal Destroyer
    Guramba Siege Destroyer
    Scourge Destroyer Retrofit
    Fleet Scourge Destroyer Retrofit
    Varanus Support Vessel
    Fleet Varanus Support Vessel
    Marauder Flight-Deck Cruiser
    Corsair Flight-Deck Cruiser Retrofit
    Fleet Corsair Flight-Deck Cruiser Retrofit
    Vo'Quv Carrier
    Mirror Universe Vo'Quv Carrier
    Fleet Vo'Quv Carrier
    Kar'Fi Battle Carrier
    Fleet Kar'Fi Battle Carrier

    I've got 7 KDF down there in my sig (and a KDF-Rom)...4 of the 7 are flying boats without a Cloak.

    edit: For some reason it's a common misconception about the KDF...but with the 48 T5 boats the KDF have, you're looking at:

    Enhanced Battle Cloak: 2 (B'rels)
    Battle Cloak: 6 (Raiders/LTS Destroyers)
    Standard Cloak: 25 (Battle Cruisers/Raptors/DSDs)
    No Cloak: 15 (Temporals/FDCs/Carriers/Battle Carriers/Support Vessels/non-LTS Destroyers)

    It's called, "The grass is greener on the other side" :cool:
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  • anodynesanodynes Member Posts: 1,999 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    admiralq1732 wrote: »
    Kennedy is a poor example. Hobus incident killed the inital government and Sela ruled with an Iron fist. Any chain of command is gone. Hence why some Tal Shair agents are trying to court D'Tan. All that uis left of the Empire is what worlds the Empire holds. They are simply not a power anymore.

    Kennedy is a fine example when it comes to Sela's disappearance, a head of state that is no longer able to serve. You want an iron fist? When Stalin died, the Soviet Union didn't cease to exist, either.

    They were enough of a power just a short time ago to be invited to the conference at Khitomer that led to the establishment of New Romulus as the seat of the Romulan Republic. They only approached D'Tan out of a desire to bring the Republic back into the fold. They fear the Republic, which will probably subsume the worlds that they have left, but they still have a sizable fleet of powerful warships for now, giving them a powerful bargaining tool. They remain a credible threat, whether you like it or not.
    starswordc wrote: »
    And they're likely completely ineffective, considering that the lore states Sela spent an awful lot of time packing the Senate with yes-men and turned it into her rubber stamp.

    As I said before, it's a matter of honor on the Federation's end, nothing more.

    Honor and the still real threat of a fleet of cloaked ships suddenly appearing to raze, let's say Bolarus. Let's also not overstate Sela's direct power. She obviously didn't like Hakeev, or want to go along with his plans, as she demonstrated both to our Romulan characters and by finally abandoning him outright when it was clear that the tide had turned against him, but she had been forced to allow him the leeway to do what he wished up until that point.
    This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
  • rylanadionysisrylanadionysis Member Posts: 3,359 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    *smashes face into desk repeatedly*

    For the love of Q, stop asking for more cloaks in this ******ned game
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Nice troll OP, though you might want to tone it down for next time, this was quite obvious.

    However, I'm going to propose another treaty here - the 'Treaty of Whinery'.
    It basically says that every Fed ship will have a holodeck that will be constantly turned into a 'whinery' basement full of 'whine'. Since some Feds. like the stuff so much. ;)

    The KDF and RR will provide the cheese on joint operations.
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  • decroniadecronia Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    rylanadionysis wrote: »
    *smashes face into desk repeatedly*

    For the love of Q, stop asking for more cloaks in this ******ned game

    Best bet is to put a pillow in that area, as you know it's going to pop up again.

    As someone who plays a Fed I say no to full cloaking on all Fed ships, there needs to be differences between the factions. It is in the area of skills where I think they should focus these differences not in ship types.
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,509 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    admiralq1732 wrote: »
    Okay let's consider something A clanmate of my thought of. Firstly though let's look at the history of this treaty. The Treaty was passed in 2311 as a peace treaty between the Romulan Star Empire and the Federation. It forbad the Federation from using and delevoping Cloaks. This with the treaty in place formal peace lasted between the powers for decades. In the 2360's the treaty was damaged when the lost U.S.S. Pegasus had an illegaly made Phase cloak. After Hobus things were in a flux in the Empire. Their center of power was gone so the question if the treaty was still active came out. But with Sela missing there's no real government left of the Star Empire. In fact for all tense and purposes no longer exists. Only a band of Tal Shair forces and some planets are all that's left of it. The Romulan Republic is the new formal government and the treaty is null and void Since that Power never signed it.

    Our proposal is this.
    1: all fed ships get cloaks
    2: Sau Paulo and Galaxy X get Battle Cloak
    3: Oberth gets a new skin and a new console. PHASE CLOAK and is only equipable on science ships


    1. Let's not and say we did. It takes away unique aspects of the federation, klingons and Romulans.

    2. I loath the idea of artificially not being able to cloak when under fire. Call it battle cloak for lack of better description. However if the Defiant and galaxy-X get this "battle cloak" every Klingon vessel should get access to it as well.

    3. Oberth with Phase cloak would rule supreme, but ONLY and ONLY on the Oberth. Not on any other federation or Fed-Rom vessel. Klingons have access to phase cloak with their Kar'Fi Battle Carrier.
    rylanadionysis wrote: »
    *smashes face into desk repeatedly*

    For the love of Q, stop asking for more cloaks in this ******ned game

    As a primarily fed player i agree.
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    virusdancer wrote: »
    For Romulans...neither the R'Mor Temporal Science Vessel nor the Talvath Temporal Destroyer have a Cloak at all...much less a Battle Cloak..

    For KDF...well, the list is a little longer.

    Korath Temporal Science Vessel
    Krenn Temporal Destroyer
    Guramba Siege Destroyer
    Scourge Destroyer Retrofit
    Fleet Scourge Destroyer Retrofit
    Varanus Support Vessel
    Fleet Varanus Support Vessel
    Marauder Flight-Deck Cruiser
    Corsair Flight-Deck Cruiser Retrofit
    Fleet Corsair Flight-Deck Cruiser Retrofit
    Vo'Quv Carrier
    Mirror Universe Vo'Quv Carrier
    Fleet Vo'Quv Carrier
    Kar'Fi Battle Carrier
    Fleet Kar'Fi Battle Carrier

    I've got 7 KDF down there in my sig (and a KDF-Rom)...4 of the 7 are flying boats without a Cloak.

    edit: For some reason it's a common misconception about the KDF...but with the 48 T5 boats the KDF have, you're looking at:

    Enhanced Battle Cloak: 2 (B'rels)
    Battle Cloak: 6 (Raiders/LTS Destroyers)
    Standard Cloak: 25 (Battle Cruisers/Raptors/DSDs)
    No Cloak: 15 (Temporals/FDCs/Carriers/Battle Carriers/Support Vessels/non-LTS Destroyers)

    Conceded. NVM. I honestly forgot that non-Klingon KDF ships couldn't cloak, though I didn't know about the R'Mor or Talvath. I was, however, counting the Mirror and Fleet Vo'Quv as variants of one ship to save time.
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  • admiralq1732admiralq1732 Member Posts: 1,561 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Why are people so opposed to feds having cloaks? The ONLY reason they never had them was by treaty. well those treaties are now null and void and considering the dangers now facing them Federation it is only logical to employ them. Heck some books have had it where fed ships have the data to construct a Cloak if needed and since we have seen book infulence, Titan, Mogai Then why not. Face it in tv show the Star Empire was still strong and viable power thus made sense to enforce the treaty. but truthfully after Shinzon we didn't know the state of the Empire. STo has some glimpse and in 2409 it made sense to keep enforcing the treaty. but much has changed in the year that has passed in game. The Romulan Repblic HAS replaced the Star Empire and the Republic never sign the Treaty of Algeron. As such the ban of Fed cloaks falls as well. D'Tan wants better relations with the others powers and allowing fed cloaks is a good step.

    Right now Sela is MIA, we have no clue who has replaced her in what left of the Empire. Again as far as we know there is no formal government left in the Empire Just the Tal Shair ruling a handful of planets and a fleet. does that make them a threat yes a government power no.
  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    admiralq1732 wrote: »
    Why are people so opposed to feds having cloaks? The ONLY reason they never had them was by treaty. well those treaties are now null and void and considering the dangers now facing them Federation it is only logical to employ them. Heck some books have had it where fed ships have the data to construct a Cloak if needed and since we have seen book infulence, Titan, Mogai Then why not. Face it in tv show the Star Empire was still strong and viable power thus made sense to enforce the treaty. but truthfully after Shinzon we didn't know the state of the Empire. STo has some glimpse and in 2409 it made sense to keep enforcing the treaty. but much has changed in the year that has passed in game. The Romulan Repblic HAS replaced the Star Empire and the Republic never sign the Treaty of Algeron. As such the ban of Fed cloaks falls as well. D'Tan wants better relations with the others powers and allowing fed cloaks is a good step.

    Right now Sela is MIA, we have no clue who has replaced her in what left of the Empire. Again as far as we know there is no formal government left in the Empire Just the Tal Shair ruling a handful of planets and a fleet. does that make them a threat yes a government power no.
    As it's been said in every one of these cloak threads, the treaty is not null and void. The fed president stated that federation would stick to the treaty even though the rom empire was in flux. That is clearly spelled out in the path to 2409.

    As far as why no fed cloaks, one of the species needs to be constantly visible so the other 2 can vap it from cloak. If everyone was invisible in kerrat no one would get shot. :)
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    admiralq1732 wrote: »
    Why are people so opposed to feds having cloaks? The ONLY reason they never had them was by treaty. well those treaties are now null and void and considering the dangers now facing them Federation it is only logical to employ them. Heck some books have had it where fed ships have the data to construct a Cloak if needed and since we have seen book infulence, Titan, Mogai Then why not. Face it in tv show the Star Empire was still strong and viable power thus made sense to enforce the treaty. but truthfully after Shinzon we didn't know the state of the Empire. STo has some glimpse and in 2409 it made sense to keep enforcing the treaty. but much has changed in the year that has passed in game. The Romulan Repblic HAS replaced the Star Empire and the Republic never sign the Treaty of Algeron. As such the ban of Fed cloaks falls as well. D'Tan wants better relations with the others powers and allowing fed cloaks is a good step.

    Right now Sela is MIA, we have no clue who has replaced her in what left of the Empire. Again as far as we know there is no formal government left in the Empire Just the Tal Shair ruling a handful of planets and a fleet. does that make them a threat yes a government power no.

    LOL :D I know I've said it before, but.....seriously, the "facts" some people on this forum will pull out of their respective posteriors thinking it would help them to prove some point. LOL :P....just LOL :D

    Let me try to explain this as plainly as possible - no matter how many "facts" you pull out of thin air will change the fact that Federation ships don't use cloaks as per the IP. End of discussion. Star Trek is an franchise where Federation doesn't use cloaking technology.
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  • sovakofvulcansovakofvulcan Member Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Can I just ask the question,

    If Starfleet vessels had a cloak (which i don't think they should),
    at best it would be a standard cloak...

    what would the "great and game breaking" benefit be?

    Honestly, even as a Romulan I don't spend that much time under cloak...to be honest the target is generally space dust before my cool down expires
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  • admiralq1732admiralq1732 Member Posts: 1,561 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    stf65 wrote: »
    As it's been said in every one of these cloak threads, the treaty is not null and void. The fed president stated that federation would stick to the treaty even though the rom empire was in flux. That is clearly spelled out in the path to 2409.

    As far as why no fed cloaks, one of the species needs to be constantly visible so the other 2 can vap it from cloak. If everyone was invisible in kerrat no one would get shot. :)


    yes in the path to 2409 but it is now 2410 and ALOT has changed in THAT year. As for the benefit. how about i nice trick Alpha strike declaok and hit a target before that can target you. and note i will restate. the bulk of fed ships will get the games standard cloak while Sao paulo and GalX get battle. Also note the Fed president may have tried enforcing the treaty but the council could have vetoed that. and again note With LoR we have a new Romulan power that is recognized by the feds and klingons and the REPUBLIC never signed that treaty. Till I see proof that they have the treaty is void since it was with a power that formally nolonger exists
  • rakija879rakija879 Member Posts: 646 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    admiralq1732 wrote: »
    Okay let's consider something A clanmate of my thought of. Firstly though let's look at the history of this treaty. The Treaty was passed in 2311 as a peace treaty between the Romulan Star Empire and the Federation. It forbad the Federation from using and delevoping Cloaks. This with the treaty in place formal peace lasted between the powers for decades. In the 2360's the treaty was damaged when the lost U.S.S. Pegasus had an illegaly made Phase cloak. After Hobus things were in a flux in the Empire. Their center of power was gone so the question if the treaty was still active came out. But with Sela missing there's no real government left of the Star Empire. In fact for all tense and purposes no longer exists. Only a band of Tal Shair forces and some planets are all that's left of it. The Romulan Republic is the new formal government and the treaty is null and void Since that Power never signed it.

    Our proposal is this.
    1: all fed ships get cloaks
    2: Sau Paulo and Galaxy X get Battle Cloak
    3: Oberth gets a new skin and a new console. PHASE CLOAK and is only equipable on science ships

    Go to the ferengi brokers and try to make a deal with them, this is realistic at least. They surely will find some old garbage scow with battlecloak for you to fly :D.
  • anodynesanodynes Member Posts: 1,999 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    admiralq1732 wrote: »
    yes in the path to 2409 but it is now 2410 and ALOT has changed in THAT year. As for the benefit. how about i nice trick Alpha strike declaok and hit a target before that can target you. and note i will restate. the bulk of fed ships will get the games standard cloak while Sao paulo and GalX get battle. Also note the Fed president may have tried enforcing the treaty but the council could have vetoed that. and again note With LoR we have a new Romulan power that is recognized by the feds and klingons and the REPUBLIC never signed that treaty. Till I see proof that they have the treaty is void since it was with a power that formally nolonger exists

    Until I see proof that the RSE no longer exists, I will call your theory for the hogwash that it is. So what if a leader, even an absolute leader, which Sela tried to be, but really wasn't, disappears? Do you think that nobody else in that government can tie their shoes in the morning? Did they all wait for Sela to tell them how to manage all of the basic tasks of running the government? In most cases, even an absolute ruler dying doesn't mean the government completely stops functioning. Richard I of England went off to fight in the Crusades, and then was held captive by a rival king on his way back home, it's so sad that England ceased to exist as a country at that point, isn't it? I guess some other nation founded the North American colonies that eventually became my home country. Richard was an absolute ruler in the strictest sense, as the nobles had to rebel against his successor to even get their rights enumerated with the Magna Carta.
    This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
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  • solidshatnersolidshatner Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I wish a moderator would lock this thread forever and re-name it 'Flowers For Allgeron'.
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  • dsarisdsaris Member Posts: 374 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Considering how limited the usefulness of a traditional cloak is in this game, why bother with it at all?
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    dsaris wrote: »
    Considering how limited the usefulness of a traditional cloak is in this game, why bother with it at all?

    It's an ongoing debate about whether folks overvalue or undervalue the first strike capability offered by a standard Cloak. Short duration, 15-25% boost, need the ability to get out of combat to use it again. Which of course gets into whether the Fed Cloak Console meets the standards of a typical clicky, eh? Or if it needs to be made a device or innate on those six ships.
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