Glad its done, and in a suitably grand way (you're gonna end a war in an hour, it needs to be something huge). The whole premise of the war was stupid anyways and was totally irrelevant at endgame and led to nothing but pointless and childish hostility between players. Now its officially done and we can move the heck on. Besides, there's a lot more story to be had with an 'ally' you don't entirely trust than a pure friend or pure enemy.
So...now that the war is over, wouldn't that mean cross-faction doffs, boffs, visits to quonos/esd, etc...as well?
After all, the KDF-Fed relations aren't any different from RR-KDF or RR-Fed right now....
Probably not. Even when Starfleet and the KDF was allied in TNG, there was very little cross-faction sharing of anything. Worf was still concidered wierd for being in Starfleet, even by the Klingons, Starfleet ships suddenly didn't have cloaking devices until the Defiant, and then Starfleet still didn't mass produce them for the rest of their ships, and the KDF didn't suddenly start piloting blue colored ships, and the majority of Federation/KDF officers didn't visit the other sides homeworlds all that much except for diplomatic missions.
So my guess is, probably not, if they hold true to lore.
But then when has STO ever held true to lore... so it'll probably happen.
Probably not. Even when Starfleet and the KDF was allied in TNG, there was very little cross-faction sharing of anything. Worf was still concidered wierd for being in Starfleet, even by the Klingons, Starfleet ships suddenly didn't have cloaking devices until the Defiant, and then Starfleet still didn't mass produce them for the rest of their ships, and the KDF didn't suddenly start piloting blue colored ships, and the majority of Federation/KDF officers didn't visit the other sides homeworlds all that much except for diplomatic missions.
So my guess is, probably not, if they hold true to lore.
But then when has STO ever held true to lore... so it'll probably happen.
Starfleet didn mass produce cloakin devices, because of the Treaty of Algeron, and the fact that the cloak on the Defiant was a loan from the romulans...
BUT, you are generally right of case... It was a "I stay out of your business and you stay out of mine" arrangement... One that the Klingons were better at following than the federation was.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
Open secret or not, you should still give a minimum of 24 hours after release before dropping a spoiler like that in the title. I had figured this season would end the war but it sure would've been nice to find out in game instead of from a thread title on the forum while I was at work.
Open secret or not, you should still give a minimum of 24 hours after release before dropping a spoiler like that in the title. I had figured this season would end the war but it sure would've been nice to find out in game instead of from a thread title on the forum while I was at work.
I've kind of known this for several months now, mentioned by the devs themselves...
Open secret or not, you should still give a minimum of 24 hours after release before dropping a spoiler like that in the title. I had figured this season would end the war but it sure would've been nice to find out in game instead of from a thread title on the forum while I was at work.
then you should not have gone on the forums, that's like reading to comments on a Youtube video, before watching it.
Clearly people on the forums always talk about a FE that comes out
It makes a lot more sense with the way the storyline has developed.
The war stopped making sense when the Borg missions started and the Omega Task Force was founded.
All the cooperatins with the Romulans, in the Dyson Sphere or on Defera made things even less believable.
A Federation Klingon War could have only worked if these were the only real antagonists, and the Borg or the Undine would be limited to one-off events (more like the Crystalline Catastrophe then Special Task Forces).
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then you should not have gone on the forums, that's like reading to comments on a Youtube video, before watching it.
Clearly people on the forums always talk about a FE that comes out
BTW
Edited to be nice.....for now
Still, there is a thing called "courtesy". You clearly can put a spoiler into the title, but it doesn't hurt you in any way if you don't, at least not in the first few hours after new content is released.
It's the same principle as not swearing in front of little children, not eating your spaghetti with your hands in a fine restaurant or simply behaving to a certain degree in public. It's not prohibited and other people could expect to see such a behaviour if they move around in a public space, but it's still rude and unconsiderate.
Still, there is a thing called "courtesy". You clearly can put a spoiler into the title, but it doesn't hurt you in any way if you don't, at least not in the first few hours after new content is released.
It's the same principle as not swearing in front of little children, not eating your spaghetti with your hands in a fine restaurant or simply behaving to a certain degree in public. It's not prohibited and other people could expect to see such a behaviour if they move around in a public space, but it's still rude and unconsiderate.
But then it's probably the difference between those who got tought a tiny bit off manners when they were growing up and those whose parents completely failed.
I edited that post 2 minutes before you posted yours, so you might want to show some courtesy and edit your post :P
you know the war with the Klingons will never be trully over. there is no word in Klingonese for piece, they are a race of warriors and will eventually always return to that. the klingons without a war to fight destroy themselves. it isnt over it will never be over, it may hide in the shadows but the beast that is war is simply sharpaning its claws and readying for the next strike.
This is a sign that Cryptic finally gave up on the KDF *and* PVP content.
They never gave either a real chance.
They were obsessed with the statistics which showed them that neither one was popular enough for investment. Yet they weren't popular because there was no investment.
They looked at the numbers without looking at the game itself. They made a small effort in LOR for the KDF faction but the numbers didn't grow by very much. They didn't consider the fact that any KDF additions were completely overshadowed by the publicity for the Romulan faction. So they looked at the numbers and concluded there wasn't any player interest in the KDF.
The made another effort again with the Mogh and I'm guessing it didn't sell very well. Again they just looked at the numbers. The didn't consider years of neglect and with nothing to buy for the KDF (apart from low level ships but who buys those anyway), all they had to do was save up their dl and zen and by the time a ship came out they had more than enough to buy with their stockpile of zen. With no sign of a sudden cash injection of people opening up their wallets to buy the Mogh, they just concluded there's no interest in KDF ships.
They also made a pathetic attempt at a PVP addition with the shuttle queues as an experiment to see if there's interest in PVP. Again no one played because who cares about shuttle PVP the same with shuttle PVE. It's a minor novelty but people want to play with their big ships and escorts not puny little shuttles with very limited options for abilities and gear.
So no real PVP development, no new maps, no PVP territory control, no real faction rivalry, no more KDF ships except for more like the Dyson ships.
The whole thing has been one big failed experiment by Cryptic and they are finally resigning it to oblivion. Which further proves the biggest flaw with this company in all their games: they can never finish what they start.
I would and should start a thread about this. But I am afraid it would be closed or moved . So here goes. How and when does this mission ever end? I blast everything in sight and it never ends. The mission is to long! Probably need to be in a proper party with someone who knows what they are doing. But IMO so far its a complete fail!!
As far as my personal opinion goes, pvp is an atrocity in this game. You can't keep this story going when it's based around one of the most broken and under-used aspects of the game.
Cryptic had two choices.
1: Improve PvP to the point this is something lots of people will want to do in order to make this war viable.
2: Get rid of the war entirely, make the pvp queues cross-faction so those who like riding bicycles with flat tires can do so no matter what faction they prefer to play.
Glad its done, and in a suitably grand way (you're gonna end a war in an hour, it needs to be something huge). The whole premise of the war was stupid anyways and was totally irrelevant at endgame and led to nothing but pointless and childish hostility between players. Now its officially done and we can move the heck on.
I dont understand this sentiment at all. The war underlies everything that happens in the multiplayer universe, and is only loosely related to the PVP constructs. Bringing the war to an end in the FE without changing the multiplayer universe doesnt resolve anything, much less in a "grand way", in fact it has made the overall game universe even worse considering that everything in the end-game space is effectively broken now
Have you flown around Sirius and seen the enemy signal contacts? Still there.
Starbase 24 under attack? Yup, still going.
Faction starbases in Eta Eridani still handing out assignments to go kill each other. Sure enough
Etc.
They didnt fix anything, they made the game schizophrenic on a massive scale
And just like Starbase 24, PVP is still chugging along, oblivous to the Single-Player storyline nonsense. They certainly didnt turn it off.
They didnt "fix" PVP by turning it off. Its still there, now the rest of the game is just as broken.
I dont understand this sentiment at all. The war underlies everything that happens outside of the single-player story arc. Bringing it to an end in the FE without changing the multiplayer universe doesnt resolve anything, much less in a "grand way"... everything is broken now. Meanwhile PVP still has what it had, just without the color-based queues.
Have you flown around Sirius and seen the enemy signal contacts? Still there.
Spoken to the war officers at K-9? Still there.
Starbase 24 under attack? Yup, still going.
Etc.
They didnt fix anything, they made the game schizophrenic on a massive scale
They certainly didnt turn off PVP, which is two steps removed from the crapola in the single-player story arc.
incorrect. If you hadn't noticed different parts of Star Trek take place at DIFFERENT times. Star base 24, that is happening in early 2409. This FE FINALLY moves time and takes place a year later in 2410.
So yes kerrat and all the rest can actually still be there, because at that time and place, the war is still raging.
When you get to the dyson spheres and eventually the delta quadrant, the war is yes over.
Have to remember as you're playing the game, time is moving along. Remember that.
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This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
Have to remember as you're playing the game, time is moving along. Remember that.
The parts of the game that take place outside of the episodes are the present
incorrect. If you hadn't noticed different parts of Star Trek take place at DIFFERENT times. Star base 24, that is happening in early 2409. This FE FINALLY moves time and takes place a year later in 2410.
Go fly around Sirius and find a signal contact, see if its angry klingons. Look at your current available mission assignments, tell me if there are missions to go kill the other faction. Go fly up to Starbase 24 in sector space and see what happens. <- All of this is present-time, not in the fixed-time story arc. Remember that.
It's about time Cryptic finally put an end to the "war" - which of course made no sense at end game for years now.
Oh, you mean based on the KDF and Feds having worked together for how long now...that there was still a war seemed a wee bit off?
It was always a trip how early the KDF and Feds started working together in the story - where the only "war" taking place was in PvP and DOFFing (more in DOFFing than anywhere else, lol).
But PvP's no different than any other replay mission in the game...S9 ending the war that had already ended before S5 is just kind of funny, eh?
War is over?! I didn't get the memo! Seriously, where is the (cut-scene) mission explaning this??
It would be a spoiler for the new FE. However, imho, one could say it's not valid since the person that agreed to it for the Feds doesn't have the authority to do so. :P
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That felt more like a private little war between the player character and B'vat.
I am glad it is over, another loose end tied up..
After all, the KDF-Fed relations aren't any different from RR-KDF or RR-Fed right now....
BTW, I'm still waiting to see Sela again.
Probably not. Even when Starfleet and the KDF was allied in TNG, there was very little cross-faction sharing of anything. Worf was still concidered wierd for being in Starfleet, even by the Klingons, Starfleet ships suddenly didn't have cloaking devices until the Defiant, and then Starfleet still didn't mass produce them for the rest of their ships, and the KDF didn't suddenly start piloting blue colored ships, and the majority of Federation/KDF officers didn't visit the other sides homeworlds all that much except for diplomatic missions.
So my guess is, probably not, if they hold true to lore.
But then when has STO ever held true to lore... so it'll probably happen.
Kinda yes... But this really hasn't been a secret for what? 2 months?
Starfleet didn mass produce cloakin devices, because of the Treaty of Algeron, and the fact that the cloak on the Defiant was a loan from the romulans...
BUT, you are generally right of case... It was a "I stay out of your business and you stay out of mine" arrangement... One that the Klingons were better at following than the federation was.
I've kind of known this for several months now, mentioned by the devs themselves...
then you should not have gone on the forums, that's like reading to comments on a Youtube video, before watching it.
Clearly people on the forums always talk about a FE that comes out
BTW
Edited to be nice.....for now
The war stopped making sense when the Borg missions started and the Omega Task Force was founded.
All the cooperatins with the Romulans, in the Dyson Sphere or on Defera made things even less believable.
A Federation Klingon War could have only worked if these were the only real antagonists, and the Borg or the Undine would be limited to one-off events (more like the Crystalline Catastrophe then Special Task Forces).
Still, there is a thing called "courtesy". You clearly can put a spoiler into the title, but it doesn't hurt you in any way if you don't, at least not in the first few hours after new content is released.
It's the same principle as not swearing in front of little children, not eating your spaghetti with your hands in a fine restaurant or simply behaving to a certain degree in public. It's not prohibited and other people could expect to see such a behaviour if they move around in a public space, but it's still rude and unconsiderate.
Edit
I edited that post 2 minutes before you posted yours, so you might want to show some courtesy and edit your post :P
Of course now the daily content will make no sense, but we can pretend it's all under the guise of a simulation or wargames right?
This is a sign that Cryptic finally gave up on the KDF *and* PVP content.
They never gave either a real chance.
They were obsessed with the statistics which showed them that neither one was popular enough for investment. Yet they weren't popular because there was no investment.
They looked at the numbers without looking at the game itself. They made a small effort in LOR for the KDF faction but the numbers didn't grow by very much. They didn't consider the fact that any KDF additions were completely overshadowed by the publicity for the Romulan faction. So they looked at the numbers and concluded there wasn't any player interest in the KDF.
The made another effort again with the Mogh and I'm guessing it didn't sell very well. Again they just looked at the numbers. The didn't consider years of neglect and with nothing to buy for the KDF (apart from low level ships but who buys those anyway), all they had to do was save up their dl and zen and by the time a ship came out they had more than enough to buy with their stockpile of zen. With no sign of a sudden cash injection of people opening up their wallets to buy the Mogh, they just concluded there's no interest in KDF ships.
They also made a pathetic attempt at a PVP addition with the shuttle queues as an experiment to see if there's interest in PVP. Again no one played because who cares about shuttle PVP the same with shuttle PVE. It's a minor novelty but people want to play with their big ships and escorts not puny little shuttles with very limited options for abilities and gear.
So no real PVP development, no new maps, no PVP territory control, no real faction rivalry, no more KDF ships except for more like the Dyson ships.
The whole thing has been one big failed experiment by Cryptic and they are finally resigning it to oblivion. Which further proves the biggest flaw with this company in all their games: they can never finish what they start.
I would and should start a thread about this. But I am afraid it would be closed or moved . So here goes. How and when does this mission ever end? I blast everything in sight and it never ends. The mission is to long! Probably need to be in a proper party with someone who knows what they are doing. But IMO so far its a complete fail!!
Have you flown around Sirius and seen the enemy signal contacts? Still there.
Starbase 24 under attack? Yup, still going.
Faction starbases in Eta Eridani still handing out assignments to go kill each other. Sure enough
Etc.
They didnt fix anything, they made the game schizophrenic on a massive scale
And just like Starbase 24, PVP is still chugging along, oblivous to the Single-Player storyline nonsense. They certainly didnt turn it off.
They didnt "fix" PVP by turning it off. Its still there, now the rest of the game is just as broken.
incorrect. If you hadn't noticed different parts of Star Trek take place at DIFFERENT times. Star base 24, that is happening in early 2409. This FE FINALLY moves time and takes place a year later in 2410.
So yes kerrat and all the rest can actually still be there, because at that time and place, the war is still raging.
When you get to the dyson spheres and eventually the delta quadrant, the war is yes over.
Have to remember as you're playing the game, time is moving along. Remember that.
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Go fly around Sirius and find a signal contact, see if its angry klingons. Look at your current available mission assignments, tell me if there are missions to go kill the other faction. Go fly up to Starbase 24 in sector space and see what happens. <- All of this is present-time, not in the fixed-time story arc. Remember that.
War is over?! I didn't get the memo! Seriously, where is the (cut-scene) mission explaning this??
A long time ago in a galaxy far far away....
The first 10 leveling missions or so:P
And yes I know you are being sarcastic:D
Oh, you mean based on the KDF and Feds having worked together for how long now...that there was still a war seemed a wee bit off?
It was always a trip how early the KDF and Feds started working together in the story - where the only "war" taking place was in PvP and DOFFing (more in DOFFing than anywhere else, lol).
But PvP's no different than any other replay mission in the game...S9 ending the war that had already ended before S5 is just kind of funny, eh?
It would be a spoiler for the new FE. However, imho, one could say it's not valid since the person that agreed to it for the Feds doesn't have the authority to do so. :P