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Is everyone happy that the Federation/Klingon war is over?
spacebaronline
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It's about time Cryptic finally put an end to the "war" - which of course made no sense at end game for years now.
So when does the KDF get added to the Federation? The next Featured Episode??:eek::P Or was that still a few hundred more years to go?(ENT reference to a possible future)
Edit:
Do you guys think they should now allow players to visit the homeworld of the other faction?
So when does the KDF get added to the Federation? The next Featured Episode??:eek::P Or was that still a few hundred more years to go?(ENT reference to a possible future)
Edit:
Do you guys think they should now allow players to visit the homeworld of the other faction?
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Still, no sense crying over spilled milk and all that; we'll just have to see where things go from here.
I'm glad it's over, and all that Kirk and crew did was not in vain again, and what Sisko, and the Dominion war did was also not in vain
Peace is good for business
Time to start killing the REAL bad guys. And from what I've seen in the new FE and Borg/Undine revamp, the bad guys are in need of some serious killin'.
Well, it was already in the show canon that there would be another Federation-Klingon war in the early 25th century. STO was merely keeping to continuity.
Where is that?
All Good Things... and Endgame.
Alternate timelines that had the Enterprise D survive, and Romulus still around to be conquered?
Also i don't remember Endgame having Klingons being at war, Just a Klingon wanting what Janeway had....there have always been jerk Klignons.
Even in All Good things they were not at Total War, just not on good terms with the Federation, they were letting Federation medical ships go to Romulus, not something you do when you're at War.
The game would have to be built around PvP for it to mostly work it seems.
Alternate or not, relations with the Klingons had deteriorated all the same in them.
In missions 1-12... then it kinda got swept under the rug.
But we don't know that since they were alternate timelines that never happened.
When Klingons go "pew pew" at your ship, chances are you are not at peace.
For a while we have FvF and KvK PvP which were concidered "wargames" but for some reason they needed a reason for FvK PvP because some how suddenly the "wargame" think wouldn't have worked. *shrugs*
Basically I thought they should have ended the war with the Romulans, and made the Romulans a true third faction, with them choosing a "side" in the PvP wargames. This becomes doubly true as we constantly seeing D'Tan trying to assert Romulan independance more nad more in the FE, but still saying "we're independant, we want to rule the two Dyson Spheres without interferance, but we're not really, here have our ships". I really hope the rewrite the Romulan arcs to mirror the changes to the game now. I don't mind the whole "history" leveling arc, but when I hit admiral/general I want to feel like I'm part of a true Republic and not just a lacky to the Feds or KDF and pretending to be independant.
So war being over good, but now they need to make changes.
I'm not saying they were at peace, but they are also not at war.
Like in TOS, they were not at peace, but really not at war, but still shooting at one another.
And that's not a deterioration in relations?
There was quite a bit of complaining about that on STO's release, and I was among them. However, I came to see that conflict between the two is Classic Star Trek. Both have been at odds with each other to varying degrees, from a "Cold War" to outright full on war throughout history.
With that in mind, I felt that STO could do a "DS9 / Dominion War" style of play and story arcs. They could have done what DS9 writers did, by making the war a major theme, always something that they could easily come back to. And like DS9, they could still have room to do those story arcs that were not central to the war.
But, in the end, Cryptic failed on all accounts of the story arcs. They never really made good use of the varying races and political powers you come across. You see them briefly only to never see them again outside those 2-3 missions. Worse, they completely, utterly failed in making the Federation-Klingon War a major theme of the game, something that players on both sides should feel some part of. Whether it was a rich background and settings for PVP matches, or PVE missions about a war raging between these once-allies (wars between former allies tend to be the nastiest).
They failed.
And the end result is the hasty burial of the Federation-Klingon War in the backyard with no ceremony, no meaning. Despite that it was supposed to be the central theme in splitting the KDF & Federation apart to begin with BY Cryptic.
Failure, failure, failure.
and even then we had them collaborating every second mission. ("kuvah'magh", "stop the signal" etc...)
It's good that it ended as the story didn't take off in the first place and didn't advance in the past 3 years or so.
As I mentioned in another thread: it's just expensive and tedious for companies to have two warring factions in an mmo and to really make it feel like there is a war going on. Twice the missions, gear, locations etc...needed when creating any new content if you want to make them feel seperate. Even Blizzard with it's vast rescources has mentioned that it never really worked keeping horde and allys seperate during endgame content.
That Was Rude As Hell
Betteridge's Law of Headlines.
If Cryptic does something, you can be sure there will be somebody against it.
As far as my personal opinion goes, pvp is an atrocity in this game. You can't keep this story going when it's based around one of the most broken and under-used aspects of the game.
Cryptic had two choices.
1: Improve PvP to the point this is something lots of people will want to do in order to make this war viable.
2: Get rid of the war entirely, make the pvp queues cross-faction so those who like riding bicycles with flat tires can do so no matter what faction they prefer to play.
They went with what was easiest, and in my opinion, the only correct choice. Cryptic is good at many things. PvP experience has never been one of their strong suits. This ending of the war is an acknowledgment of that shortcoming, it's an apology, and it is done extremely tastefully without seeming gimmicky.
You want my crazy theory? I'll lay it out here.
Pretend the KDF characters in the story are whiney KDF players. Pretend the Federation is Cryptic. And pretend the Romulan Republic are objective players who simply want the game to progress nicely.
From S'tass and Koren's accusations to the Federation, to Shon's apology, to Tuvok's quiet acknowledgment things can't continue as is, to the Romulan Republic seeing merit and faults on both sides of the fence -- it's a dead ringer allegory to the current state of affairs between the KDF players who feel slighted, and Cryptic Studios.
and anyone laugh else when S'taass called them on it?
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Yeah, you're racist against people living under a rock.
Hey, if Starfleet was always right, they'd be a bunch of lame Mary Sues.
Dude... this was the most open "secret" in the game. Matter of fact, the previous Solanae FE was pretty much giving you a huge CLUE CARD with pen scribbled hints all over it.