After reading a lot of comments on some other threads, I've noticed that people don't really like Tovan Khev. Am I the only one that actually likes the guy?
Nope, I really like the character and incorporated his existence into my Rom's back story. I thought his addition was a great idea and I know others who think the same thing. We just tend not to be as vocal as the "haters". When they start foaming at the mouth we just roll our eyes.... kinda the way you do when you pass the shopping cart street lady muttering to herself about rays while searching for her aluminum foil cap
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Nope, I really like the character and incorporated his existence into my Rom's back story. I thought his addition was a great idea and I know others who think the same thing. We just tend not to be as vocal as the "haters". When they start foaming at the mouth we just roll our eyes.... kinda the way you do when you pass the shopping cart street lady muttering to herself about rays while searching for her aluminum foil cap
I don't think that's a fair statement. Not everyone who "hates" Tovan are ott about it. A lot of us have actually been very reasonable about it. There are some who do go overboard, but I think they are a vocal minority.
And for the record, I actually like Tovan, and I'm quite happy to have him... on one of my romulans. However for the other two I would really like the option to remove him. Particularly from my Reman, as I am going for an all reman crew and he is TRIBBLE up my theme.
That's all.
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explain, different opinions about something, apparently are now pathetic and disgusting?
I respect people's opinions. But in the case of Tovan Khev, it's not opinion that I've read. It's hate speech. Against a fictional character of all things. Just as bad as what I've read with Scarlet Briar from Guild Wars 2. I know a lot of people didn't like her, myself included. But man, a lot of people went on disturbing tirades to forever condemn this fictional character.
In the case of Tovan, when LoR launched, I've read nothing but distasteful vitriol from this community, from the forums and in-game. It left me shaking my head at times. People have gone at great lengths and have devoted so much energy to express how they wish to explicitly torture this certain character in various ways, from shoving out an airlock to disembowelment, and even things I cannot mention on this forum. These days I'm not so wound up on the issue anymore, and I really don't care. But back then, it really made me question what kind of people are playing this game, potentially more disturbed than your typical ESD folk.
Tovan is by far the most hated character in STO, without question. I did not approve of Cryptic's method to forcibly integrate this character onto Romulan players, and I hope they don't do this type of thing again. While I was able to work Tovan into my builds and crew, others haven't and have been left frustrated at the fact that he was nothing more than a wasted boff slot.
I don't care that much about his character. The fact that he started whining about his sister every possible time he could when we were tryiing to stop Hakeev and the Elachi...... bad point.
I just don't like what he represents: his own ethnic group. That, or all Republic vessels are infiltrated by Undine, which could potentially end very bad with all those Scimitars in the Flotilla.
Aka: everybody has one, nobody can get rid of him. I like to have a unique feeling to my crew, that's all. Other than that, he was nice for the storyline.
Don't hate him, don't particulary like him. Just want to be ABLE to get rid of him.
My plan with Tovan, since his ground traits are better than his space traits (he'd be fine if he had SRO instead of just RO), is to bust him down to security officer and use him only as a ground boff once I get a second tac boff. I've already replaced him with Satra (renamed Emira) as first officer on the department heads list. For one thing, she at least respects my authority as captain (Morgan's ex-RSN).
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You get 2 BOFF slots with the LoR starter pack for ALL Romulan characters... maybe the best "deal" in the whole store.
If Tovan eats up a BOFF space, and I use one on the more useless Borg (also part of the starter pack for every Romulan I play), I'm still BOFF slot neutral.
Maybe if you don't care about the T'varo, and don't buy the starter pack, then I can see why you may wish to dismiss Tovan... but he's still got a great package of stuff that KDF and Starfleet players would love to have on their toons.
anyone can get TS3 with the jem'hadar boff, and romulan operative isn't as hard to get as you think, i also don't like him and wish i could get rid of him, but alas cryptic won't let us lol, maybe they might in a few years, who knows.
My setup on my Ar'kif is all SRO & a Reman with Superior Infiltrator. Having Tovan around as a backup isn't bad at all, and TS3 is still worth millions on the Exchange. Rom Op isn't that difficult to get, but it still isn't that cheap.
If Tovan were SRO and/or Rinna Khev instead (like the many people who delete D'vex, yet find a way to keep Satra), most people would find a way to "roleplay" that.
STO's claim to fame is its customization; your ship, your crew, your choices, your decisions, your appearance, your play style, etc. etc. etc. And then they throw in a mandatory hand-holding Boff that whines to no end, with completely impassive voice work, as part of a story arc where your captain is written as a blundering idiot that can't see obvious things coming 5 minutes ahead, much less 3 or 4 missions ahead (blatantly obvious foreshadowing was blatantly obvious).
I don't care that much about his character. The fact that he started whining about his sister every possible time he could when we were tryiing to stop Hakeev and the Elachi...... bad point.
I just don't like what he represents: his own ethnic group. That, or all Republic vessels are infiltrated by Undine, which could potentially end very bad with all those Scimitars in the Flotilla.
Aka: everybody has one, nobody can get rid of him. I like to have a unique feeling to my crew, that's all. Other than that, he was nice for the storyline.
Don't hate him, don't particulary like him. Just want to be ABLE to get rid of him.
All Romulan Republic captains have a clone of him which is about as far away from customization as you can get.
I don't hate on him, that would be a waste of time and energy, but I definitely do not like him.
Nitpicking is a time-honored tradition of science fiction. Asking your readers not to worry about the "little things" is like asking a dog not to sniff at people's crotches. If there's something that appears to violate natural laws, then you can expect someone's going to point it out. That's just the way things are.
I don't hate Tovan Khev as a character. I really don't.
What I do hate is that he is an immersion-breaking game element that was forced upon each player that plays ANY Romulan Republic character, completely disregarding the RP aspects of the game.
The devs are making it seem harder than it is to make Tovan Khev optional. They say it's impossible to get rid of him now, but there are several changes that could very well make it possible.
-Put an option in the Options window to hide/unhide story characters
-When this option is switched off, all mandatory BOFFs(Read: Tovan Khev) will be hidden from your roster
-If turned off, it disallows you from playing any mission that is Tovan-heavy
-Remove Tovan from non-Tovan-heavy missions so it's easy to forget he even exists
-Remove him from the bridges when the option is switched off
-STOP TOVAN FROM MAKING HIMSELF FIRST OFFICER ALL THE TIME. IT'S NOT THAT HARD.
-Give all Romulans +1 BOFF slot
Oh look another I Love/Hate Tovan thread ... It's getting as bad (or worse) than T5 Connie and Phaser threads.
They REALLY need to update his dialogues (which will never happen though) to make him more a subordinate, OR re-write the story somewhat, so that you are a PAIR of colonists from Virinat,
i.e. you are, BFF's, BMF's, so that there is less of a "Who the froick is this guy ordering me around?" situation, and more "The two of us will save the galaxy together" feeling.
That and boost one or more of his skills to Superior, so that he has more of a function in late game (though to be fair, he pretty much shuts up after he find his sister)
He's also an idiot! There I said it, I think sometimes his dialogues are just plain "wrong" the absolute idiocy of some of his comments are 'grating' ... "Suggest we go to yellow alert!" WTF is that? There is no "Yellow Alert" in STO, so again WTF?
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
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Orange, as I understand it, they've already taken away the ability of various BOffs (including ol' Tovie) to promote themselves like that.
And if you shut off Tovan, and are then barred from playing Tovan-heavy missions, doesn't that pretty well cut off your ability to do any of the Romulan main missions until after "Installation 18"?
Orange, as I understand it, they've already taken away the ability of various BOffs (including ol' Tovie) to promote themselves like that.
Yes, that was a bug, not a feature, and it was fixed a few months ago. Feds and Klinks had the same problem (I vividly remember my Fedside boffs kept playing musical chairs when I had them set up a particular way for RP reasons).
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
And if you shut off Tovan, and are then barred from playing Tovan-heavy missions, doesn't that pretty well cut off your ability to do any of the Romulan main missions until after "Installation 18"?
I'd be more than okay with that if it meant never having to see Tovan again.
I honestly don't understand why all the hate for Tovan. If people don't like him then go onto the exchange, get a purple Romulan female boff and use her instead.
It boggles the mind.
That's what I did, tho she was blue IIRC. I like all girl crews, Tovan and the other guy you get are just sitting around in the crews quarters playing cards
I have no issue with Tovan Khev. In fact, he's my Romulan character's homeboy. And he's one of my better Romulan bridge officers ground-side.
Some of the burning hate I've seen expressed on these boards toward him, rivals the fanaticism I've seen over other TRIBBLE here. It's silly as all hell.
I have no issue with Tovan Khev. In fact, he's my Romulan character's homeboy. And he's one of my better Romulan bridge officers ground-side.
I noticed after a while that Tovan tends to Lunge toward everything. So I took away his plasma weapon and gave him a bat'leth. He kicks butt with a bat'leth.
I noticed after a while that Tovan tends to Lunge toward everything. So I took away his plasma weapon and gave him a bat'leth. He kicks butt with a bat'leth.
He's a bridge officer. You can change his skills to fit your playstyle. You can remove him from away teams. Who gives a frack if you can't remove him? Players just need something to whine about. That's it.
He doesn't fit for all crews in a players mind. For one romulan captain, he's a fine fit as the tactical officer, and I like having him...with that specific toon. For my other romulan toon he's simply a pain in the posteriror and I want him off the ship, but can't get rid of him no matter how hard I try.
Plus the fact early on he literally sits there acting like he's the captain and ordering you around to do things. Why so many like Flores. She helps without being too pushy and realizes YOU ARE IN COMMAND.
I think the main reason for this is because they took what they had learnt with Tovan and wrote a much better 1st officer.
What's also important is the environment in which you gained command as a Romulan. In that exodus, you didn't have a command structure, you were mates getting off that planet, and just trying to make it in the universe. Obviously, this doesn't fit many player's RP of a romulan.
he is better than any klingon or Fed BO....I like him
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he is better than any klingon or Fed BO....I like him
I'll take Flores any day of the week and twice on sunday. Least she recognizes the fact that I AM IN COMMAND. She is just there to offer advice when I need it. Ya know like a true first officer. Not treating me like I am a damn passenger on my own frakking ship.
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Nope, I really like the character and incorporated his existence into my Rom's back story. I thought his addition was a great idea and I know others who think the same thing. We just tend not to be as vocal as the "haters". When they start foaming at the mouth we just roll our eyes.... kinda the way you do when you pass the shopping cart street lady muttering to herself about rays while searching for her aluminum foil cap
I don't think that's a fair statement. Not everyone who "hates" Tovan are ott about it. A lot of us have actually been very reasonable about it. There are some who do go overboard, but I think they are a vocal minority.
And for the record, I actually like Tovan, and I'm quite happy to have him... on one of my romulans. However for the other two I would really like the option to remove him. Particularly from my Reman, as I am going for an all reman crew and he is TRIBBLE up my theme.
That's all.
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I respect people's opinions. But in the case of Tovan Khev, it's not opinion that I've read. It's hate speech. Against a fictional character of all things. Just as bad as what I've read with Scarlet Briar from Guild Wars 2. I know a lot of people didn't like her, myself included. But man, a lot of people went on disturbing tirades to forever condemn this fictional character.
In the case of Tovan, when LoR launched, I've read nothing but distasteful vitriol from this community, from the forums and in-game. It left me shaking my head at times. People have gone at great lengths and have devoted so much energy to express how they wish to explicitly torture this certain character in various ways, from shoving out an airlock to disembowelment, and even things I cannot mention on this forum. These days I'm not so wound up on the issue anymore, and I really don't care. But back then, it really made me question what kind of people are playing this game, potentially more disturbed than your typical ESD folk.
Tovan is by far the most hated character in STO, without question. I did not approve of Cryptic's method to forcibly integrate this character onto Romulan players, and I hope they don't do this type of thing again. While I was able to work Tovan into my builds and crew, others haven't and have been left frustrated at the fact that he was nothing more than a wasted boff slot.
I just don't like what he represents: his own ethnic group. That, or all Republic vessels are infiltrated by Undine, which could potentially end very bad with all those Scimitars in the Flotilla.
Aka: everybody has one, nobody can get rid of him. I like to have a unique feeling to my crew, that's all. Other than that, he was nice for the storyline.
Don't hate him, don't particulary like him. Just want to be ABLE to get rid of him.
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If Tovan eats up a BOFF space, and I use one on the more useless Borg (also part of the starter pack for every Romulan I play), I'm still BOFF slot neutral.
Maybe if you don't care about the T'varo, and don't buy the starter pack, then I can see why you may wish to dismiss Tovan... but he's still got a great package of stuff that KDF and Starfleet players would love to have on their toons.
My setup on my Ar'kif is all SRO & a Reman with Superior Infiltrator. Having Tovan around as a backup isn't bad at all, and TS3 is still worth millions on the Exchange. Rom Op isn't that difficult to get, but it still isn't that cheap.
If Tovan were SRO and/or Rinna Khev instead (like the many people who delete D'vex, yet find a way to keep Satra), most people would find a way to "roleplay" that.
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Also mostly this:
All Romulan Republic captains have a clone of him which is about as far away from customization as you can get.
I don't hate on him, that would be a waste of time and energy, but I definitely do not like him.
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What I do hate is that he is an immersion-breaking game element that was forced upon each player that plays ANY Romulan Republic character, completely disregarding the RP aspects of the game.
The devs are making it seem harder than it is to make Tovan Khev optional. They say it's impossible to get rid of him now, but there are several changes that could very well make it possible.
-Put an option in the Options window to hide/unhide story characters
-When this option is switched off, all mandatory BOFFs(Read: Tovan Khev) will be hidden from your roster
-If turned off, it disallows you from playing any mission that is Tovan-heavy
-Remove Tovan from non-Tovan-heavy missions so it's easy to forget he even exists
-Remove him from the bridges when the option is switched off
-STOP TOVAN FROM MAKING HIMSELF FIRST OFFICER ALL THE TIME. IT'S NOT THAT HARD.
-Give all Romulans +1 BOFF slot
Please Cryptic. Please.
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They REALLY need to update his dialogues (which will never happen though) to make him more a subordinate, OR re-write the story somewhat, so that you are a PAIR of colonists from Virinat,
i.e. you are, BFF's, BMF's, so that there is less of a "Who the froick is this guy ordering me around?" situation, and more "The two of us will save the galaxy together" feeling.
That and boost one or more of his skills to Superior, so that he has more of a function in late game (though to be fair, he pretty much shuts up after he find his sister)
He's also an idiot! There I said it, I think sometimes his dialogues are just plain "wrong" the absolute idiocy of some of his comments are 'grating' ... "Suggest we go to yellow alert!" WTF is that? There is no "Yellow Alert" in STO, so again WTF?
I preferred it when Data was there and she shut up for a bit
I thought WoW's forums had angry elitist snobs, but I never could have imagined the level STO forums has.
even epohh lady, kurland, winter ferengi/chef and dr. cooper combined have nothing on her
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
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"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
And if you shut off Tovan, and are then barred from playing Tovan-heavy missions, doesn't that pretty well cut off your ability to do any of the Romulan main missions until after "Installation 18"?
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I'd be more than okay with that if it meant never having to see Tovan again.
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That's what I did, tho she was blue IIRC. I like all girl crews, Tovan and the other guy you get are just sitting around in the crews quarters playing cards
Some of the burning hate I've seen expressed on these boards toward him, rivals the fanaticism I've seen over other TRIBBLE here. It's silly as all hell.
I'm so gonna have to try this.
I think the main reason for this is because they took what they had learnt with Tovan and wrote a much better 1st officer.
What's also important is the environment in which you gained command as a Romulan. In that exodus, you didn't have a command structure, you were mates getting off that planet, and just trying to make it in the universe. Obviously, this doesn't fit many player's RP of a romulan.
I mean what specifically would you prefer personality wise, race, appearance, etc?
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I'll take Flores any day of the week and twice on sunday. Least she recognizes the fact that I AM IN COMMAND. She is just there to offer advice when I need it. Ya know like a true first officer. Not treating me like I am a damn passenger on my own frakking ship.
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