Did Ward shoot the dog with the sniper rifle, or what? Is the show trying to redeem him? Can the show redeem him?
I don't think he did, no. The episode clearly showed him with his gun in the air whilst the Dog ran away, my guess? It was Garrett that sniped the Dog; the episode just didn't specify that too well.
Note also, Ward hasn't actually killed Fitz or Simmons, he's simply dumped them into the sea, in quite possibly an air tight container of which they'll likely survive and be rescued. I'm fairly certain Ward knew the planes location when he dumped them, else couldn't they have shown a scene where said crate hits the ground and explodes (thus clarifying that they were indeed, killed).
My best guess, is that Ward will die doing something that ends up helping the heroes.
I can see this, sacrificing himself to save the team (and/or Skye) next week (if it is to be the series final as well as the season final). In a way, it's a shame, cause he's grown as a villain; his good character was bland and stale, at least as a villain, he's enjoyable.
Be interesting to see where they take Skye and Raina next.
Captain America, one of the worst movies ive ever seen (both of em).
About the show of the agents of shield, one of the worst action shows ive ever seen (and i am a show fanatic since 25 years ago lol). Focused to 8 years old kids with terrible actors , no interesting plot, so many stupid non sense scenes, and so predictable that sometimes its just ridiculous.
So, any game based of em will be at least, better than the movie / show.
...Note also, Ward hasn't actually killed Fitz or Simmons, he's simply dumped them into the sea, in quite possibly an air tight container of which they'll likely survive and be rescued. I'm fairly certain Ward knew the planes location when he dumped them...
Fitz was given one of the Howling Commando artifacts, I think it was referred to as a "quarter", and Trip mentioned it had a homing beacon in it. So yeah, expect Fitz Simmons are alive and well (a few bumps and bruises, notwithstanding), and soon to be rescued.
I wonder if this was intentional by Ward. He gets to continue to be Bad Guy in Garrett's eyes, but by dumping FS at sea he gets them off the plane, and potentially out of danger/Hydra's hands.
Captain America, one of the worst movies ive ever seen (both of em). About the show of the agents of shield, one of the worst action shows ive ever seen...
Haters gonna hate. :P
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I wonder if this was intentional by Ward. He gets to continue to be Bad Guy in Garrett's eyes, but by dumping FS at sea he gets them off the plane, and potentially out of danger/Hydra's hands.
I wouldn't count on it for a number of reasons.
1) How would Ward have known about that homing beacon?
2) What would Ward have done if they did open that door?
3) For all Ward knows, he's sent them to the depths of the oceans, and their deaths.
This will be the realization (for Fitz) that Ward has gone bad.
1) How would Ward have known about that homing beacon?
2) What would Ward have done if they did open that door?
3) For all Ward knows, he's sent them to the depths of the oceans, and their deaths.
This will be the realization (for Fitz) that Ward has gone bad.
Look, I like the idea that Ward is a bad guy. I agree with others here that it makes him a better character. I hope they keep him so, and he really was trying to kill FS by dumping them at sea.
I was only theorizing on a way the show could (sadly) bring him back to the Light Side.
To answer 1 and 3: Ward may have seen the beacon in Fitz' hand when he revealed the EMP "Joy Buzzer" - Sure it looked like a quarter, but who's to say that in his past with Garrett they didn't hang out admiring Trip's Howling Commando "toy" collection. It's plausible.
2) If Ward really is trying to be good (or at least a Selective Bad Guy With a Heart for the Team), if they opened the door, that would have been a whole different story, so who knows what he would have done. There are still ways he could have freed them: He could have exposed his triple-agentness to FS and told them to get back in the hold and released them. He could have allowed himself to be "taken out" long enough to let them make their own escape... and so on.
And even if Ward was trying to save FS, I agree the show will keep this as Fitz' realization of Ward's evilness... That will create tension when Ward tries to return. Even if he can say he was doing it for their own good, it gives Fitz a distrust/dislike notch against Ward.
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1) How would Ward have known about that homing beacon?
2) What would Ward have done if they did open that door?
3) For all Ward knows, he's sent them to the depths of the oceans, and their deaths.
This will be the realization (for Fitz) that Ward has gone bad.
Yeah, for the time being, I'm choosing to believe that Ward didn't know that Fitzsimmons will easily survive this predicament, and was simply being pragmatic. He needed to kill them; he couldn't get at them inside the cargo container; therefore, jettison the cargo container.
I don't mind them giving Ward a little bit of inner conflict, but at this point I'm ready to beg them to keep him an irredeemable scumbag at heart.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
I enjoy the show. Granted it took some time to find it's legs, but it has certainly found them. Anyone who doesn't like the show or the Captain America films might as well give up on comic films. :P
Anyways, so... possibilities for Skye's parents....
The Makluan and Kree theories have been discussed, but on another board someone mentioned that they might be Inhumans. I'm not sure how much stock I give this since it's definitely a different direction than the movies have gone, but... It's hard to directly discount it since we really don't have direct evidence to the contrary.
The Makluan and Kree theories have been discussed, but on another board someone mentioned that they might be Inhumans. I'm not sure how much stock I give this since it's definitely a different direction than the movies have gone, but... It's hard to directly discount it since we really don't have direct evidence to the contrary.
Yeah, at this point, any speculation is as good as any other.
Like I said a few pages ago, the possibility of introducing Inhumans to the MCU is intriguing to me, since they are supposedly unable to use mutants due to that stuff being tied up with the X-Men rights over at Fox. Inhumans are essentially a spin on the mutant concept, with the exception of exposure to the Terrigen Mists being required.
Introducing those concepts would make it a lot easier for them to explain why there are ever-increasing numbers of super-powered individuals in the world. I haven't read it, but they've been working a similar angle in the comics.
Skye being Kree is definitely the predominant theory, though, and there's no real reason to discount it.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
As I recall, though, the Inhumans were the result of modification of the human genome by - the Celestials, I think? It gets a bit confusing around in there...
I just don't want her to suddenly turn out to be Mar-Vell's daughter or something. She's been too much of a special snowflake already. An Inhuman I'll buy - there's a bunch of them hanging out together - but not the first Kree-human hybrid or something, please.
On the other tentacle, there's the question of whether the Inhumans are tied up with the Fantastic Four rights the way the X-Men rights have the word "mutant" locked down.
Foom isn't he only one of his kind in the comics. He's the only one seen regularly in the comics, but the ship he came to Earth in originally carried a dozen individuals.
On the other tentacle, there's the question of whether the Inhumans are tied up with the Fantastic Four rights the way the X-Men rights have the word "mutant" locked down.
That's a fair question, considering how messed-up these film rights seem to be. They originated in Fantastic Four comics, but have also had their own series from time to time. Maybe they're an edge case like Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, and we could see competing Inhumans on theatre screens everywhere!
As for the exact origins of the Inhumans, I think you're right...though truthfully, my Marvel expertise is more in the X-department.
The funny thing is, I could see Marvel Studios going whole-hog with the Celestials and all of that other crazy stuff, or streamlining/jettisoning a bunch of that backstory for something simpler.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
As I recall, though, the Inhumans were the result of modification of the human genome by - the Celestials, I think? It gets a bit confusing around in there...
I just don't want her to suddenly turn out to be Mar-Vell's daughter or something. She's been too much of a special snowflake already. An Inhuman I'll buy - there's a bunch of them hanging out together - but not the first Kree-human hybrid or something, please.
On the other tentacle, there's the question of whether the Inhumans are tied up with the Fantastic Four rights the way the X-Men rights have the word "mutant" locked down.
Enh, if she's like Suzy Sherman, her parents will turn out to be some random Kree who happened to go to Earth for whatever reason.
But IIRC, it was actually Kree experiments that created the Inhumans. I think they were trying to figure out how to improve their race or something.
Yeah, at this point, any speculation is as good as any other.
Like I said a few pages ago, the possibility of introducing Inhumans to the MCU is intriguing to me, since they are supposedly unable to use mutants due to that stuff being tied up with the X-Men rights over at Fox. Inhumans are essentially a spin on the mutant concept, with the exception of exposure to the Terrigen Mists being required.
Introducing those concepts would make it a lot easier for them to explain why there are ever-increasing numbers of super-powered individuals in the world. I haven't read it, but they've been working a similar angle in the comics.
Skye being Kree is definitely the predominant theory, though, and there's no real reason to discount it.
Well, the "monsters" thing is one reason, but not a good one. However, there was one other tidbit. Raina said the villagers were ripped limb from limb. Kree might have the strength, but it's typically not their style.
it also notes that for a time after the Mandarin was on the scene, others of the Makluan race still walked as humans. Rather than consider Foom as Skye's parent, perhaps she has other Makluans as her parents. Since the Mandarin in MCU is a joke, there is apparently no Mandarin to wipe out the Makluans, if indeed they do exist in the MCU.
also:
Captain America: The First Avenger -- worldwide $370,569,774
Captain America: The Winter Soldier -- worldwide $681,030,585 (as of May 7, 2014)
seems at least one or two folks thought these were good films.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
Edit: I apologize for the crappy quality...it can be found on the Thor 2 DVD/Blu-Ray
Yeah, we've yet to see the real Mandarin in the MCU.
Either way though. There's presumably millions or billions of Makluans in the universe. It doesn't really matter if a hadful get killed, there's still more to annoy people.
Trevor is the Mandarin, he controls a guy to control Killian, to hire Trevor.
Hail Trevor.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Edit: I apologize for the crappy quality...it can be found on the Thor 2 DVD/Blu-Ray
I had not, and after viewing I must say, its everything I'd hoped for to correct that remarkable mistake that was Iron Man 3. That should have been the credits tag to that movie. Now bring on Iron Man 4 and make it the real deal.
I had not, and after viewing I must say, its everything I'd hoped for to correct that remarkable mistake that was Iron Man 3.
Hmm, I really liked IM3. I'm enough of a fan to know when they depart from the comics canon, but I'm not enough of a fan to be upset about the significant changes that they made. Instead, I was really appreciative that a comic book movie managed to surprise me in a thoroughly entertaining way. I also really enjoyed Stark-without-all-his-toys.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
Yeah, I long ago came to understand that comic book movies will never match the comics exactly. so it doesn't bother me when origins are adjusted etc... the movies really haven't done anything particularly bad in this regard. The Mandarin fakeout would have been bad, if not for it being, well, a fakeout. Pepper getting Extremised was definitely different, but.... better than what happened to her in the comics. She had an Arc Reactor implanted in her chest, well, because she would have died without it. The Extremis thing is different, but not bad. In contrast, her AA version doesn't mention why she wears armor at all, she just does... unless you read the backstory page in the game.
While you are entitled to your malformed opinion... I am in no way required to agree with you. :P
I am not saying you need to agree with me, but the show is pure TRIBBLE, that it is a fact like a temple. Dont get me wrong, IM STILL WATCH IT cuz i see almost everything and as i said i am a show "fanatic" lol. But it doesnt mean that the truth is the truth. Its a terrible show lol, no matter what.
Its like saying, i like this car, and since i like it, it is a great car. LOL.
Actually, edge, your statement is more akin to looking at a Tesla Roadster and saying that since it doesn't pack a V-12 under the hood and won't do 0-60 in 2.4 seconds, it's a piece of garbage.
It is an opinion, founded on a tiny selection of mostly-irrelevant facts.
I'm enough of a fan to know when they depart from the comics canon, but I'm not enough of a fan to be upset about the significant changes that they made.
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Note also, Ward hasn't actually killed Fitz or Simmons, he's simply dumped them into the sea, in quite possibly an air tight container of which they'll likely survive and be rescued. I'm fairly certain Ward knew the planes location when he dumped them, else couldn't they have shown a scene where said crate hits the ground and explodes (thus clarifying that they were indeed, killed).
I can see this, sacrificing himself to save the team (and/or Skye) next week (if it is to be the series final as well as the season final). In a way, it's a shame, cause he's grown as a villain; his good character was bland and stale, at least as a villain, he's enjoyable.
Be interesting to see where they take Skye and Raina next.
About the show of the agents of shield, one of the worst action shows ive ever seen (and i am a show fanatic since 25 years ago lol). Focused to 8 years old kids with terrible actors , no interesting plot, so many stupid non sense scenes, and so predictable that sometimes its just ridiculous.
So, any game based of em will be at least, better than the movie / show.
I wonder if this was intentional by Ward. He gets to continue to be Bad Guy in Garrett's eyes, but by dumping FS at sea he gets them off the plane, and potentially out of danger/Hydra's hands.
Haters gonna hate. :P
You can find/contact me in game as @PatricianVetinari. Playing STO since Feb 2010.
1) How would Ward have known about that homing beacon?
2) What would Ward have done if they did open that door?
3) For all Ward knows, he's sent them to the depths of the oceans, and their deaths.
This will be the realization (for Fitz) that Ward has gone bad.
I was only theorizing on a way the show could (sadly) bring him back to the Light Side.
To answer 1 and 3: Ward may have seen the beacon in Fitz' hand when he revealed the EMP "Joy Buzzer" - Sure it looked like a quarter, but who's to say that in his past with Garrett they didn't hang out admiring Trip's Howling Commando "toy" collection. It's plausible.
2) If Ward really is trying to be good (or at least a Selective Bad Guy With a Heart for the Team), if they opened the door, that would have been a whole different story, so who knows what he would have done. There are still ways he could have freed them: He could have exposed his triple-agentness to FS and told them to get back in the hold and released them. He could have allowed himself to be "taken out" long enough to let them make their own escape... and so on.
And even if Ward was trying to save FS, I agree the show will keep this as Fitz' realization of Ward's evilness... That will create tension when Ward tries to return. Even if he can say he was doing it for their own good, it gives Fitz a distrust/dislike notch against Ward.
You can find/contact me in game as @PatricianVetinari. Playing STO since Feb 2010.
Yeah, for the time being, I'm choosing to believe that Ward didn't know that Fitzsimmons will easily survive this predicament, and was simply being pragmatic. He needed to kill them; he couldn't get at them inside the cargo container; therefore, jettison the cargo container.
I don't mind them giving Ward a little bit of inner conflict, but at this point I'm ready to beg them to keep him an irredeemable scumbag at heart.
Sorry but what is terrible, it is, no matter what. You cant "mask" it in any way lol.
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Nor are we required to respond.
I enjoy the show. Granted it took some time to find it's legs, but it has certainly found them. Anyone who doesn't like the show or the Captain America films might as well give up on comic films. :P
Anyways, so... possibilities for Skye's parents....
The Makluan and Kree theories have been discussed, but on another board someone mentioned that they might be Inhumans. I'm not sure how much stock I give this since it's definitely a different direction than the movies have gone, but... It's hard to directly discount it since we really don't have direct evidence to the contrary.
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Yeah, at this point, any speculation is as good as any other.
Like I said a few pages ago, the possibility of introducing Inhumans to the MCU is intriguing to me, since they are supposedly unable to use mutants due to that stuff being tied up with the X-Men rights over at Fox. Inhumans are essentially a spin on the mutant concept, with the exception of exposure to the Terrigen Mists being required.
Introducing those concepts would make it a lot easier for them to explain why there are ever-increasing numbers of super-powered individuals in the world. I haven't read it, but they've been working a similar angle in the comics.
Skye being Kree is definitely the predominant theory, though, and there's no real reason to discount it.
I just don't want her to suddenly turn out to be Mar-Vell's daughter or something. She's been too much of a special snowflake already. An Inhuman I'll buy - there's a bunch of them hanging out together - but not the first Kree-human hybrid or something, please.
On the other tentacle, there's the question of whether the Inhumans are tied up with the Fantastic Four rights the way the X-Men rights have the word "mutant" locked down.
Yeah, and that profile there says he's single.
That's a fair question, considering how messed-up these film rights seem to be. They originated in Fantastic Four comics, but have also had their own series from time to time. Maybe they're an edge case like Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, and we could see competing Inhumans on theatre screens everywhere!
As for the exact origins of the Inhumans, I think you're right...though truthfully, my Marvel expertise is more in the X-department.
The funny thing is, I could see Marvel Studios going whole-hog with the Celestials and all of that other crazy stuff, or streamlining/jettisoning a bunch of that backstory for something simpler.
At this point, neither would surprise me.
But IIRC, it was actually Kree experiments that created the Inhumans. I think they were trying to figure out how to improve their race or something. So? that's the comic version. :P Well, the "monsters" thing is one reason, but not a good one. However, there was one other tidbit. Raina said the villagers were ripped limb from limb. Kree might have the strength, but it's typically not their style.
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it also notes that for a time after the Mandarin was on the scene, others of the Makluan race still walked as humans. Rather than consider Foom as Skye's parent, perhaps she has other Makluans as her parents. Since the Mandarin in MCU is a joke, there is apparently no Mandarin to wipe out the Makluans, if indeed they do exist in the MCU.
also:
Captain America: The First Avenger -- worldwide $370,569,774
Captain America: The Winter Soldier -- worldwide $681,030,585 (as of May 7, 2014)
seems at least one or two folks thought these were good films.
Did you happen to catch the All Hail the King one-shot?
Edit: I apologize for the crappy quality...it can be found on the Thor 2 DVD/Blu-Ray
Either way though. There's presumably millions or billions of Makluans in the universe. It doesn't really matter if a hadful get killed, there's still more to annoy people.
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Hail Trevor.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I had not, and after viewing I must say, its everything I'd hoped for to correct that remarkable mistake that was Iron Man 3. That should have been the credits tag to that movie. Now bring on Iron Man 4 and make it the real deal.
Hmm, I really liked IM3. I'm enough of a fan to know when they depart from the comics canon, but I'm not enough of a fan to be upset about the significant changes that they made. Instead, I was really appreciative that a comic book movie managed to surprise me in a thoroughly entertaining way. I also really enjoyed Stark-without-all-his-toys.
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I am not saying you need to agree with me, but the show is pure TRIBBLE, that it is a fact like a temple. Dont get me wrong, IM STILL WATCH IT cuz i see almost everything and as i said i am a show "fanatic" lol. But it doesnt mean that the truth is the truth. Its a terrible show lol, no matter what.
Its like saying, i like this car, and since i like it, it is a great car. LOL.
It is an opinion, founded on a tiny selection of mostly-irrelevant facts.
This is my view toward the latest Trek films.
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