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  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Dude, that's TWO whole friggin' YEARS!

    Okay, fair enough. I'd initially assumed that it hadn't been 2 years in-universe, but I don't really have any evidence to support that. At all. :P
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  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited April 2014
    And it's apparent that Koenig was in that bunker for far too long. I mean, far, far too long.

    Could have been worse. After all, his neighbor in those woods might have been the equally isolated Ranger Gord. ;)
  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I was just thinking about the lack of female-led Marvel movies. I think it's about time...but what character could support a film?

    They've already announced a Jessica Jones miniseries for Netflix.

    To me, a Captain Marvel film seems like a no-brainer, and I'm surprised they haven't tried to make that happen yet.

    Other than that, there's of course Black Widow, and I suppose Sharon Carter/Agent 13.

    What do you think would be the best opportunity for a female-led film?
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  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited April 2014
    jeffel82 wrote: »
    I was just thinking about the lack of female-led Marvel movies. I think it's about time...but what character could support a film?

    They've already announced a Jessica Jones miniseries for Netflix.

    To me, a Captain Marvel film seems like a no-brainer, and I'm surprised they haven't tried to make that happen yet.

    Other than that, there's of course Black Widow, and I suppose Sharon Carter/Agent 13.

    What do you think would be the best opportunity for a female-led film?

    They are doing their best to move forward with the Peggy Carter TV show Agent Carter. I like it. The character was strong, and this'll give more opportunity to see the crew Cap and Bucky left behind, like Dum Dum Dugan and Papa Stark.

    Black Cat might be able to solo a film. There'll be the obvious comparisons to Catwoman, and they'll have to separate BC from Spider-man somehow, but I see potential.

    Mystique might also make a good solo act, as a shades-of-gray mercenary anti-hero.

    There's also Spider-woman, though I only know of her from an old Saturday morning cartoon, which might have been far off from the comic books.

    Ultimately, Marvel writes females for teams, so why not create a "Birds of Prey"-like team composed of all women, or dominantly so. Use a team of non-mutant characters (since Sony's got those tied up) who are each just shy of carrying a movie on their own.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Ultimately, Marvel writes females for teams, so why not create a "Birds of Prey"-like team composed of all women, or dominantly so. Use a team of non-mutant characters (since Sony's got those tied up) who are each just shy of carrying a movie on their own.
    Well.... It's been done in the comics, so it could happen. :P
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  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Member Posts: 1,606 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Yeah, it's hard to think of a female Marvel character with her own book and standing power. She-Hulk only really comes to mind.
  • jmaster29jmaster29 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Well, at the end of Captain America; The winter soldier, we saw The Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver in the mid-credit scene, in a HYDRA test lab thing, as prisoners. Looks like HYDRA has two mutants.
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  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited April 2014
    jmaster29 wrote: »
    Well, at the end of Captain America; The winter soldier, we saw The Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver in the mid-credit scene, in a HYDRA test lab thing, as prisoners. Looks like HYDRA has two mutants.

    Could be, since there were agreements between Sony & Disney/Marvel for the two characters. However, I've a sneaky suspicion that the Avengers versions will be retold with an origin that is either shrouded in mystery (YouTube's Clevver Movies suggests the new ongoing term used may be "miracles", which I think von Strucker did use in the scene), or a science origin, where their DNA was manipulated. I got the impression from that credit scene that HYDRA had been experimenting on people.



    On the broader subject of MCU speculations: we've seen nothing of Mockingbird. For having so much SHIELD storyline, especially one that centered around taking down subversives within SHIELD, that seems odd. They may have perceived her as too similar to Black Widow for the big screen. I speculate, though, that she'll likely appear in the MCU by phase 3, probably tied to a Hawkeye movie, should that ever be green-lighted, or to Agents of SHIELD, should that series keep going.
  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I'd forgotten about the Agent Carter TV series. That one seems like a tough sell, since the obvious storyline is to portray the early infiltration of S.H.I.E.L.D. by HYDRA...but there's not much they can do with that story without making Nick Fury and company look like idiots for not knowing about it.

    She was a great character, though, and I'm curious to see what they come up with. Lots of early Cold War stuff, I'd imagine.
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  • jmaster29jmaster29 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Could be, since there were agreements between Sony & Disney/Marvel for the two characters. However, I've a sneaky suspicion that the Avengers versions will be retold with an origin that is either shrouded in mystery (YouTube's Clevver Movies suggests the new ongoing term used may be "miracles", which I think von Strucker did use in the scene), or a science origin, where their DNA was manipulated. I got the impression from that credit scene that HYDRA had been experimenting on people.



    On the broader subject of MCU speculations: we've seen nothing of Mockingbird. For having so much SHIELD storyline, especially one that centered around taking down subversives within SHIELD, that seems odd. They may have perceived her as too similar to Black Widow for the big screen. I speculate, though, that she'll likely appear in the MCU by phase 3, probably tied to a Hawkeye movie, should that ever be green-lighted, or to Agents of SHIELD, should that series keep going.

    Yeah, I reckon HYDRAs been experimenting on people. Most likely, they produce Ultron to take out the Avengers. And the Clairvoyant might have been HYDRA, since Centipede would've been useful. Then, they might have replace centipede when the team went out to find Coulson. But, HYDRA obviously wanted Centipede destroyed, since otherwise SHIELD wouldn't have struck. Maybe they found better methods? Like mutant experimentation?
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2014
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  • peregryperegry Member Posts: 102 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    jmaster29 wrote: »
    Yeah, I reckon HYDRAs been experimenting on people. Most likely, they produce Ultron to take out the Avengers. And the Clairvoyant might have been HYDRA, since Centipede would've been useful. Then, they might have replace centipede when the team went out to find Coulson. But, HYDRA obviously wanted Centipede destroyed, since otherwise SHIELD wouldn't have struck. Maybe they found better methods? Like mutant experimentation?

    Per AoS, the Clairvoyant was definitely Hydra; however, while Hydra had infiltrated much of SHIELD they did not control all of it, Colson's team was one such asset, though they knew what they were doing, they couldn't do anything to stop them going after the Clarivoyant/Centipede without blowing their cover, they could only delay/slow them down. Further, they were also very interested in how Colsom was brought back, so they likely felt the sacrifice of the Centipede program would be worth it if they could find out about Tahiti. It's also implied in the latest episode that Centipede had basically hit a wall and they needed the information on Tahiti to continue past the wall, so its was a bit of a gamble on their part, but it paid off as they got the information on Tahiti and a bunch of other information and Centipede is back on track, more or less.

    The real question is, how long before Colson's team realizes they really did have a mole on their team and how much damage will they do before he's stopped.

    I also have to say, the head of Hydra on AoS (the Clarvoyant) has proven to be a very good character, surprisingly likeable and warm. It humanizes him, but also makes him a bit more terrifying that he's so congeneal and friendly.
  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited April 2014
    peregry wrote: »
    I also have to say, the head of Hydra on AoS (the Clarvoyant) has proven to be a very good character, surprisingly likeable and warm. It humanizes him, but also makes him a bit more terrifying that he's so congeneal and friendly.

    Hydra on AoS is brilliant. They evolved, put away the goose step (mostly), and made their desires so palatable, that I can see a significant portion of the population being sympathetic to them (minus, you know, the whole "if you don't agree with me, I kill you" thing). I kind of wonder if Paxton's character won't end up being the Magneto to Coulson's Xavier: two former friends with a similar goal, namely what's best for humanity, just a really different way to achieve it. I expect chess games in the near future. ;)
  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited April 2014
    Something I've been mulling over... In The Winter Soldier, there are flashbacks showing Bucky being taken by Hydra after his "fatal" fall. Among these flashing shots is Arnim Zola who appears to be spearheading the effort to restore and control Bucky.

    How is that possible? Zola was captured on the very mission that Bucky fell. Did I misunderstand the sequence? Perhaps it actually showed both Bucky's capture and his previous experimental torture at the hands of Zola?
  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Perhaps it actually showed both Bucky's capture and his previous experimental torture at the hands of Zola?

    I think it's this.

    There's a line of dialogue that says it was Zola's experiments during Bucky's capture that allowed him to survive the fall, so I'm assuming that's what the flashback represented.
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  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Member Posts: 1,606 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Memories don't necessarily have to happen in chronological sequence, especilly when your head is as messed up as Bucky's.
  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited April 2014
    Ok, just saw the latest episode, along with the tag where Melinda and her mom chat.

    Would that be Maria Hill they are discussing? Wonder what agency Momma May is from?

    Also, good episode. Skye's attempts to duck from Ward were pretty intense.

    Koenig...man, you should have stuck to the script and not improvised. :(
  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Ok, just saw the latest episode, along with the tag where Melinda and her mom chat.

    Would that be Maria Hill they are discussing? Wonder what agency Momma May is from?

    Also, good episode. Skye's attempts to duck from Ward were pretty intense.

    Koenig...man, you should have stuck to the script and not improvised. :(
    The preview for next week shows maria hill. It looks like the government breaks into the canadian base where the team is staying.
  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Would that be Maria Hill they are discussing? Wonder what agency Momma May is from?

    I think it must be Maria Hill...nobody else would make much sense, and I can't think of too many Marvel Marias.

    My best guess is that May's mom is from a "real-world" agency, like the NSA, CIA, or whatever. No sense in adding too many fictional agencies.

    Of course, they're in Canada, so I'd be totally cool with her being a former Department H agent. :cool:
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  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited April 2014
    jeffel82 wrote: »
    My best guess is that May's mom is from a "real-world" agency, like the NSA, CIA, or whatever. No sense in adding too many fictional agencies.

    Besides your Department H (which might be hard since its heavily tied to mutants. Sony would not be pleased), I can think of one other fictional agency: SWORD. But you're right, it is likely a version of a real life agency.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited April 2014
    Besides your Department H (which might be hard since its heavily tied to mutants. Sony would not be pleased), I can think of one other fictional agency: SWORD. But you're right, it is likely a version of a real life agency.

    That would be Fox ;).
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  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited April 2014
    artan42 wrote: »
    That would be Fox ;).

    Oops! :eek: Well, they do say the first thing to go is the...ah...the...ah... :confused:
  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Funnily enough, Department H has already been name-dropped on AoS once, back on April 1.

    A lot of the internet chatter I'm seeing elsewhere indicates a lot of people are still expecting Ward's feelings for Skye to lead to him turning against HYDRA. They're citing their little heart-to-heart chat about his past and how he's not a good person as evidence.

    I think that he's already too far gone to switch sides, and that everything he says is a load of BS designed to manipulate her into decrypting the hard drive.

    Thoughts?
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Yeah, I also think that Ward doesn't really like Skye. I think he's just manipulating her into doing things.
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  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Yeah, I also think that Ward doesn't really like Skye. I think he's just manipulating her into doing things.

    Well, he admitted to Garrett that he likes her. But I don't think he's letting it get in the way of his job.
    You're right. The work here is very important.
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  • peregryperegry Member Posts: 102 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    On May's Mother, she's clearly an American, not Canadian. She said she drove 500 miles to pick her up, and they clearly focused on the tags of the SUV she was driving which were Ohio state tags... so, American.

    My guess on May's mother is she's CIA, likely cold war era operative against China.

    You know something... the last few episodes, with them having to act alone after their agency has been destroyed reminds me of another spy show... May's mom scene remind me of that even more. Seriously, all she needs is a voiceover, to move to Florida, plus a right hand man with an impeccable chin...
  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    peregry wrote: »
    On May's Mother, she's clearly an American, not Canadian. She said she drove 500 miles to pick her up, and they clearly focused on the tags of the SUV she was driving which were Ohio state tags... so, American.

    You're right about the license plates, and I agree that she's American, but I feel obliged to point out that it is possible to start in Canada, drive 500 miles, and still be in Canada. ;)
    You're right. The work here is very important.
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Missed this thread. Love the Marvel (show and film) continuity. Hope Ward (and Garrett) bite a bullet before this season finishes up. Ward has gone too far to be redeemed now.
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  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    Hope Ward (and Garrett) bite a bullet before this season finishes up. Ward has gone too far to be redeemed now.

    I hope one or both of them survive and go to prison, only to inevitably escape and put our heroes through the paces once again.

    It really bugs me that comic book films have a pathological need to kill off their villains. Let them live to fight another day!
    You're right. The work here is very important.
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  • peregryperegry Member Posts: 102 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    jeffel82 wrote: »
    You're right about the license plates, and I agree that she's American, but I feel obliged to point out that it is possible to start in Canada, drive 500 miles, and still be in Canada. ;)

    Absolutely, Canada is the second largest country in the world, after all. I just find it unlikely for her to drive 500 miles within Canada with a car tagged from Ohio. ;)
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