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Marvel Cinematic Universe Spoilers and Speculation Thread

jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
edited May 2014 in Ten Forward
Everybody over in the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. thread has been keeping things nice and spoiler-free, so I thought it would be good to have a place where we don't need to worry about it. Here are my thoughts on the recent Marvel developments:

Captain America: The Winter Soldier
  • Holy cats, what a great movie. I never expected them to completely tear down S.H.I.E.L.D.
  • I think the cinematic universe is better off this way, though. The major characters no longer need S.H.I.E.L.D. to bring them together, and it's nice to see the all-seeing spy organization portrayed as something scary and sinister.
  • Besides, S.H.I.E.L.D. will inevitably be rebuilt, but I'm hoping the bulk of that will be seen in...


Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
  • I haven't been super excited about this show, but I'm warming up to it a lot more over the last couple of episodes.
  • As I said, I hope the show gets more-or-less exclusive use of S.H.I.E.L.D. for a while, so it doesn't seem like it's constantly playing second fiddle to the films.
  • I really, really hope Ward really is HYDRA. He's much more interesting that way.

Speculation Corner
We know from the post-credits scene of Thor: The Dark World that the MCU version of the Infinity Gems are objects, and that the Tesseract and Aether are among them. We know that Skye is an 084, an "object of unknown origin." Could she actually be an Infinity Gem? :)
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  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Skye is, I think, more likely an alien/half alien/alien-empowered human, most connected to the same species as "Tahiti," because of her very different reaction to the drug. They've namedropped Lemurians and Kree, both of which at least sometimes come in blue skinned varieties. Lemurians aren't technically aliens, but Kree have been connected to several human, half-human, or just human-looking superheroes, including but not limited to everybody who's carried the Captain Marvel or Ms. Marvel titles. There's also apparently some Kree and Kree related characters in Guardians of the Galaxy, leaving a good option to do an Uprising style mini tie-in for Guardians if Skye is Kree related (it's a shame they didn't do one for Thor 2, but at the time the show had some constraints it doesn't now, and might still not get picked up, making the high budget tie in hard to sell to the network).

    I'm drifting away from my original theory that Skye is Karolina Dean (aka Lucy in the Sky) because of the Tahiti reveal, but making her the Earth-199999 Ms. Marvel/Captain Marvel... Just doesn't sit well with me.

    Because of her character's position as a supporting audience surrogate on Agents, if she is the MCU Ms. Marvel, a movie for the character looks unlikely. And after everything they've done to redeem Carol Danvers since that whole Marcus thing, she's the best candidate for a female MCU lead character after Black Widow.



    As for Ward, it would be more interesting to have him be a tried and true Hydra agent, but... I really, really see them going back on that. After he killed Hand, there was no Hail Hydra, no smile, no acknowledgement. He didn't even listen to his old boss's stories. Just pure, burning hate. And I mean like:

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    I'm willing to bet he turns tripple agent and ends up good in the end.

    I'm also willing to bet he doesn't survive the season finale either way, because even if he does turn good, he's still crossed the Professor Snape line, and there's no going back. He either throws in with the bad guys for real (and loses with them because comic books), or he sacrifices himself at the key moment to assure the other good guys' victory.
  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    hevach wrote: »
    As for Ward, it would be more interesting to have him be a tried and true Hydra agent, but... I really, really see them going back on that. After he killed Hand, there was no Hail Hydra, no smile, no acknowledgement. He didn't even listen to his old bosses stories. Just pure, burning hate.

    You could be right, but I hope you're not. :)

    I'm more hopeful based on an interview with the writers that fleshed out what Ward's long game may have been throughout the series to date:
    LOEB: And part of what’s so much fun is being able to go back and look at the pilot and see where Coulson says to Ward, “we haven’t scores like yours since Romanov.” Now, at the time, you probably thought “oh, that’s a really good spy.” But then if you think about what Natasha has done with her life and the number of identities she’s had and the number of people that she’s burned along the way, that may have not been the best compliment to give somebody.

    BELL: Let me put this on another level: Ward had put Garrett on this plane for a reason, and so he had to come in and be accepted to this team. And so if you’d look at how he related to everyone — Coulson loves projects. Here is a guy who didn’t have people skills. So Garrett says, can you help this guy Ward round off some of the rough edges? So he comes onto the team. Coulson is now vested, because he’s got a project. Who is Ward’s greatest threat? May. What does he do? He seduces her. Who is the one unknown on the team? Skye. He becomes her S.O. How do you get everyone rally around and trust you? You jump out of a plan trying to save someone else. Now, he had a parachute. Let’s say he failed to save Simmons, he would’ve been fine. Everything he’s done has solidified how people feel about him over the course of the season.

    LOEB: And what was the next thing he had to do after he saved Simmons? He had someone on the plane who was jealous of him: Fitz. And what did they do? They went on a mission together and they had a really good time together. And a bromance was started. And that took care of that.

    BELL: And then even when he was with Lorelei, and she was talking about the darkness inside of him and the other qualities, she saw something that a lot of other people hadn’t seen. So we feel like we laid things out pretty well. Because you don’t want to over tip your hand, but we think people are pretty smart, and you can look back and go, “oh yeah, it was all there the whole time if I had looked.” And what’s fun now that you’ve seen 17, watch it again, or watch 16 again, and every look Ward does seems to have a double meaning.

    I'm hoping that means they're committing to this being a permanent change. But in the very same interview, they also fuel speculation as to whether Ward is "all bad," so who knows?
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  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    hevach wrote: »
    I'm also willing to bet he doesn't survive the season finale either way, because even if he does turn good, he's still crossed the Professor Snape line, and there's no going back. He either throws in with the bad guys for real (and loses with them because comic books), or he sacrifices himself at the key moment to assure the other good guys' victory.

    I think I'd be okay with this. I do like a good recurring villain, though.
    You're right. The work here is very important.
    tacofangs wrote: »
    ...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    hevach wrote: »
    As for Ward, it would be more interesting to have him be a tried and true Hydra agent, but... I really, really see them going back on that.
    The TVGuide.com interview states that Ward has been the planned Hydra mole since the very beginning and that some subtle hints were dropped. He saved Simmons to get on her good side. Had a relationships with May to garner some of her secrets, etc. He was even coming on to Skye to use her as a back-up plan - as she is as special as Coulson. And they can always use Triplett as a replacement for Ward on the team and leave Ward as one of the badguys they keep bumping heads with while trying to take out Garrett.
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  • hawku001xhawku001x Member Posts: 10,768 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    no way that ward's permentantly hyrda..... not sure if this show is that gutsy..... but if this show wants to be, they'll have to keep him that way
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  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    hawku001x wrote: »
    no way that ward's permentantly hyrda..... not sure if this show is that gutsy..... but if this show wants to be, they'll have to keep him that way

    Even if the show was that gutsy, the show is absolutely loathe to actually tell the truth. Ever. Case in point: The Clairvoyant. They've chased nothing but red herrings (Poe, Raina, coma guy, Hand), and it's still pretty likely it's not Garrett himself, either.

    The only safe assumption with Agents is that everything is a misdirection, even the answers are lies.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I'm REALLY hoping that Hand isn't dead-dead.

    Either way.... I'd be cool with it if Skye was someone like Suzy Sherman. Tsu-zana(Suzy) is actually a Kree/human hybrid, with most of the typical Kree abilities, plus some weird mutant abilities.
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  • moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    hevach wrote: »
    Even if the show was that gutsy, the show is absolutely loathe to actually tell the truth. Ever. Case in point: The Clairvoyant. They've chased nothing but red herrings (Poe, Raina, coma guy, Hand), and it's still pretty likely it's not Garrett himself, either.

    The only safe assumption with Agents is that everything is a misdirection, even the answers are lies.

    I feel like the Clairvoyant is actually The Vision manipulating S.H.I.E.L.D to be stronger than HYDRA.

    Also, can't wait for real magic to be a part of Agents when the Doctor Strange Film gets into swing. Imagine that, the secret society evading the all mighty Nick Fury for years.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    moonshadowdark wrote: »
    I feel like the Clairvoyant is actually The Vision manipulating S.H.I.E.L.D to be stronger than HYDRA.

    Also, can't wait for real magic to be a part of Agents when the Doctor Strange Film gets into swing. Imagine that, the secret society evading the all mighty Nick Fury for years.
    Maybe next time we see Loki he'll toss around more than just daggers? :D

    Or maybe we'll see Lorelei's big sister take the field.... Amora doesn't use swords.... actually she kinda sucks at hand to hand combat. She prefers to blast people into next week with magic. And yes, she HAS fought Strange.
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  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    hevach wrote: »
    The Clairvoyant. They've chased nothing but red herrings (Poe, Raina, coma guy, Hand), and it's still pretty likely it's not Garrett himself, either.

    At this point, I think it's likely that no one person was ever "The Clairvoyant." It could have been an alias used by Ward, Garrett, and any other HYDRA agents who were involved in the Deathlok project.
    You're right. The work here is very important.
    tacofangs wrote: »
    ...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    jeffel82 wrote: »
    At this point, I think it's likely that no one person was ever "The Clairvoyant." It could have been an alias used by Ward, Garrett, and any other HYDRA agents who were involved in the Deathlok project.
    Well... they kinda spelled it out in the show. The person who used that term didn't know who or what he was talking to. It's possible that he was using that term for whatever random HYDRA people were talking to him.
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  • hawku001xhawku001x Member Posts: 10,768 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    what if the clairvoyant is arnim zola....... :eek:
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    The Clairvoyant is someone with enough clearance to access all the files within SHIELD. I assume you would need to be 8 or higher - Coulson is an 8 and even he does not have complete access to everyone's file. That leads me to believe it is someone higher then Garrett. I believe Hand even mentions that Hydra has control of the 9s and 10s.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    The Clairvoyant is someone with enough clearance to access all the files within SHIELD. I assume you would need to be 8 or higher - Coulson is an 8 and even he does not have complete access to everyone's file. That leads me to believe it is someone higher then Garrett. I believe Hand even mentions that Hydra has control of the 9s and 10s.
    Hand said that as part of a test of loyalty. I'm not sure it's true. But it's logical that HYDRA's first step was to get rid of all the 9s and 10s they didn't control.
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  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited April 2014
    Ward as Hydra: went back and reviewed a few scenes. Garrett pulls Ward aside, still in the hearing of the rest of the team and says something like "Apparently Hand is The Clairvoyant. So chew on that first". In 20/20 hindsight, it sounds a lot like two conspirators surprised that their efforts have spawn something unanticipated.

    Ward as SHIELD: There are certain hesitations in Ward's movements when invited to kill Garrett. Hesitations as if he is seeing instructions in a cybernetic eye and debating whether to fulfill them. He also only nods in acknowledgement, and does not smile when the deed is done. Ward also seemed genuinely shocked at the moment he learned Garrett was a traitor.

    Observations:
    1. Ward's comment about the Fridge baited Coulson into revealing that Graviton (or rather the related material) is located under the Fridge, undocumented. That means Clairvoyant, and likely all of HYDRA, now know.
    2. I cannot recall from the Winter Soldier movie, but in the TV show, there appears to be a distinct racial line between sides of the conflict. Multiple key black agents were shown, all were true SHIELD agents. Even in the background troops, there didn't appear to be any black personnel in HYDRA ranks. It is almost as if HYDRA retains the Aryanistic bigotry from their fascist roots. In counterpoint, Garrett did seem to toy with the idea of inviting Asian-ancentry Agent May to the ranks (but nothing happened), and Sitwell, already HYDRA, appeared to have some Hispanic ethnicity, but I cannot recall any of African descent in HYDRA's ranks.

    Theories:
    1. "Clairvoyant" spends too much time tapped into people's eye cams to be Garrett, at least alone. He/She is online practically 24/7, not leaving much time for Garrett to read a book while flying or any of his other SHIELD duties. (I suppose it could just be a bad script. Hopefully not.) That suggests either another as Clairvoyant, or that there is a team taking shifts working under a singular call sign. Garrett also feels like high middle management in HYDRA, and not the top echelon that the Clairvoyant appears to be.

    2. The Clairvoyant has a deep tie to technology. MODOK has been suggested around the internet due to this. However, I'm wondering if an AI-Zola 2.0 might be tied to it. CA:TWS showed the destruction of the AI-Zola, but the technology was so old, I'd be surprised if it wasn't considered that Zola would not rest on one machine and created at least one upgrade of his new artificial self. This would allow Toby Jones to make a TV guest appearance, at least digitally, at some point.

    3. The fallout from SHIELD's implosion will leave the world vulnerable and may result in the formation of SWORD as well as the reformation of SHIELD.

    4. The fallout from SHIELD's implosion will leave the world vulnerable and may be the reason why the Ultron project is brought online. Maria Hill, now with Stark Industries, may play a part in the transition.


    Idea shot down (literally): there was a short time watching the episode "Turn, Turn, Turn" that I wondered if Victoria Hand would be revealed as Lady Hydra.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Yeah, Hydra are TRIBBLE..... literally.
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  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Member Posts: 1,606 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    steamwright wrote: »
    Idea shot down (literally): there was a short time watching the episode "Turn, Turn, Turn" that I wondered if Victoria Hand would be revealed as Lady Hydra.

    Ha, I was actually thinking the same thing.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Nah, Madame Hydra has green hair. :P
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  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    markhawkman wrote: »
    Nah, Madame Hydra has green hair. :P

    That's just what they'd expect you to think...

    On a different note, how is everyone feeling about Guardians of the Galaxy? I think it looks like a lot of fun, but I'm not very confident it'll be successful in the mainstream market.

    Then again, I thought the same thing about Thor.
    You're right. The work here is very important.
    tacofangs wrote: »
    ...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    markhawkman wrote: »
    Yeah, Hydra are TRIBBLE..... literally.

    To be fair, they're self-interested renegade TRIBBLE, who were going to turn on the F
    You're right. The work here is very important.
    tacofangs wrote: »
    ...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Member Posts: 1,606 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    jeffel82 wrote: »
    That's just what they'd expect you to think...

    On a different note, how is everyone feeling about Guardians of the Galaxy? I think it looks like a lot of fun, but I'm not very confident it'll be successful in the mainstream market.

    It looks like it's going to be pure, wacky fun. The trailer seems to have really set the mood for the film with that "Oooga chagga" song.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited April 2014
    Which agents are level 9 or 10?
    I assume that Fury and Peirce are 10 with Hill being 9, so the Clairvoyant can only be Garret.

    I would have liked it if Zola or the Leader (from the Incredible Hulk) was the Clairvoyant a few weeks ago, now I love the SHEILD / HYDRA civil war thing.

    AoS really is exceeding expectations.

    Also Agent Blake is awesome :cool:.
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  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    artan42 wrote: »
    Also Agent Blake is awesome :cool:.

    That's the truth. Let's hope he recovers from his whole collapsed ribcage condition.
    You're right. The work here is very important.
    tacofangs wrote: »
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  • hawku001xhawku001x Member Posts: 10,768 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    jeffel82 wrote: »
    To be fair, they're self-interested renegade TRIBBLE, who were going to turn on the F
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  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    hawku001x wrote: »
    what if the clairvoyant is arnim zola....... :eek:

    Putting together things from AoS and Cap 2 it's a good theory, Zola's brain-in-the-box was a big part in setting up the Hydra takeover and would be perfectly able of managing the mostly electronic communication with Centipede agents.

    Zola's server was destroyed in Cap 2. Not that this means he's really gone, since he's survived that kind of stuff in the comics and lived on through backups or copies or not being confined to a single computer. It's also possible that with Hydra gone public they don't need Zola anymore anyway.


    My favorite fan theory is that the Clairvoyant is Ultron (setting up a season 2 finale event similar to Uprising to coincide with Avengers 2), and that Hydra's also chasing shadows trying to pin Centipede down as a threat, with both organizations assuming the other is hiding what they're looking for, while Ultron is setting up right under everybody's noses.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited April 2014
    hevach wrote: »
    Zola's server was destroyed in Cap 2. Not that this means he's really gone, since he's survived that kind of stuff in the comics and lived on through backups or copies or not being confined to a single computer. It's also possible that with Hydra gone public they don't need Zola anymore anyway.

    Black Widows USB pen?
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    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    artan42 wrote: »
    Black Widows USB pen?


    The possibility that Black Widow had dumped Zola onto the internet at large had not occurred to me. That could be very interesting if they went with it and managed to avoid the inevitable Transformers 3 "Skynet is the internet" comparisons.

    Would also make a good supervillain for AoS, since it's one that Skye and Fitzsimmons would have to fight while May and Triplet would be the dead weight getting in the way.
  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I was thinking about what a shame it is that the X-Men franchise can't be included in the MCU, as the lack of mutants makes it a lot harder for the writers to introduce super-powered characters (a problem most visibile on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.).

    And then I remembered that the comics recently did a storyline (which I have not read) in which the global population are exposed to the Terrigen Mists, causing a bunch of them to become Inhumans (essentially, mutants by another name).

    I wonder if we'll see a similar occurrence in the MCU.
    You're right. The work here is very important.
    tacofangs wrote: »
    ...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited April 2014
    jeffel82 wrote: »
    I was thinking about what a shame it is that the X-Men franchise can't be included in the MCU.

    I'm fine with it, it is annoying that the work Mutant cannot be used, however the whole 'people hate mutants but love Spiderman or Thor' thing wouldn't work in a film franchise.

    That's one of the reasons I'm dubious about the Fantastic Four being part of the X-Men films, they have super powers but also have a huge building in New York.
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    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    artan42 wrote: »
    I'm fine with it, it is annoying that the work Mutant cannot be used, however the whole 'people hate mutants but love Spiderman or Thor' thing wouldn't work in a film franchise.

    That's one of the reasons I'm dubious about the Fantastic Four being part of the X-Men films, they have super powers but also have a huge building in New York.

    I think it's all in the spin.

    Mutants are hated because they're supposed to represent the next stage of evolution - they're naturally superior, and will eventually overtake humanity.

    The other superhumans are generally artificially or accidentally augmented, and in that sense don't pose a direct threat to the existence of the species.

    Basically, the X-Men could have avoided a whole lot of grief if young Charles Xavier had had better PR skills, and decided to call mutants something other than homo superior.
    You're right. The work here is very important.
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