Just throwing it out there. The Cheyenne-Class heavy cruiser was only seen for 30 seconds on "The Best of Both Worlds" episode. But it's a main ship in the game.
I just want to say, that im not trying to say that cosmic and neo and anyone else who dislikes them are wrong in feeling the way they do towards these ships.. but just because they don't like them, doesn't mean that everyone else doesn't like them, and geko has to realize this as well..
case and point.. the k'vort class has long been a canon ship the klinks have been screaming for.. but "geko" has a hang up on it, and doesn't personally like it, so we will never see it.. which is a bunch of rubbish.. this is geko who also thinks there was never a balance issue in the game lol..
I just want to say, that im not trying to say that cosmic and neo are wrong in feeling the way they do towards these ships.. but just because they don't like them, doesn't mean that everyone else doesn't like them, and geko has to realize this as well..
case and point.. the k'vort class has long been a canon ship the klinks have been screaming for.. but "geko" has a hang up on it, and doesn't personally like it, so we will never see it.. which is a bunch of rubbish..
I always wondered why they put the Cheyenne at first into STO and not the Challenger
Personally, I think Geko should just create 2409-era 'updates' to kitbashed ships with sleek and cool non-kitbashed designs, but offer the kitbashed versions as skin options.
That way he gets his way, and we get ours, and he can make some money along the way.
I'm all for these vessels making it to the game, even as skins if that's what it takes.
As for those who think they are hideous, more power to 'em. But they are nowhere near as bad as some of Cryptic's in-house offerings. Can you say "Envoy" or "Noble"?
I'm not a fan of players either, but that doesn't mean I'm not a fan of Star Trek and a fan of Star Trek Online.
Personally, I think Geko should just create 2409-era 'updates' to kitbashed ships with sleek and cool non-kitbashed designs, but offer the kitbashed versions as skin options.
That way he gets his way, and we get ours, and he can make some money along the way.
Agreed.
The truth is, some of those kitbashes are let down by a single component. The Challanger would look fine if there was a more balanced alternative to the conning tower it has for an upper pylon, and the Niagara looks good from any angle if given swept back pylons that join the ship a little further up the engineering hull IMO.
These forums are constantly bombarded with players wanting to play Undine or fly Undine ships, or play Borg and fly Borg ships, and so on covering a dozen other species. Just because YOU do not want to fly and Undine ship does not mean YOU are EVERYONE. Just because YOU do not like angular ships does not mean EVERYONE does not like angular ships, etc.
The thing about MMOs is that people need to put aside the needs of the one for the needs of the many. No one individual gets exactly what they want out of a game because games are made up of hundreds of thousands of individuals who all want something different.
I've seen a lot of threads asking for a borg faction, which means flying borg ships. This does come up regulary.
Seen quite a few threads where people want an expanded roster of ships for a given race, such as the Gorn or vulcans. Not as regular as requests for borg ships, but pretty often.
However, I've seen a lot of threads suggesting that flying undine ships is barmy, with a minority of replies saying they wouldn't mind. I have never seen a thread where somebody has professed their undying devotion to the idea of flying undine ships.
I may have missed the one that happened that time, but to suggest that such threads are common is simply not true.
There has been no great drive to fly undine ships.
I personally think theses ships are pretty hideous (and i wonder how the more casual fan who knows nothing of these ships would feel with no nostalgia attached to their buying decision).
i have no objection to having them in game just because i dont like them but i suspect the best way if to give them a 2409 skin as mentioned earlier to try and please everyone.
pick one ship, do your best job with it and then see how it sells and go from there.
I love those Wolf 359 ships, although I had to get warm with the Freedom and Challenger Class ones.
I asked the Starship Collectors team if they also plan to release those ships, they want to but need CBS's approve.
And I would also love to see SOME of the other Perpetual ships in there. They do pretty much have a unique futuristic design and some look badass.
This Cern ship for example could be a real Science Destroyer, and not a Science OR Destroyer Transformer ship.
The Tahoe would be a fast attack ship.
The only thing that was cool and new, IMO, with the Perpetual designs was how some of them had a rollbar with torpedopod connecting the nacelles. It looks Starfleet, and yet, it's new.
I personally think theses ships are pretty hideous (and i wonder how the more casual fan who knows nothing of these ships would feel with no nostalgia attached to their buying decision).
i have no objection to having them in game just because i dont like them but i suspect the best way if to give them a 2409 skin as mentioned earlier to try and please everyone.
pick one ship, do your best job with it and then see how it sells and go from there.
I just want to say, that im not trying to say that cosmic and neo and anyone else who dislikes them are wrong in feeling the way they do towards these ships.. but just because they don't like them, doesn't mean that everyone else doesn't like them, and geko has to realize this as well..
I believe you are totally missing the point of what I was saying. It has nothing to do with whether or not I like the ship. It has to do with whether or not Cryptic believes enough people will like the ship to be willing to pay money for it. Cryptic does not want to sell 100, or 500. They want to sell 10,000.
The fact that any particular group wants something does not mean the player-base even knows it exists or also wants it. Most of the people paying STO are not Trek fanatics. They are Trek casuals. Most of the player-base could not tell you the difference between a New Orleans and a Freedom Class.
And finally, adding 6 more Federation ships into the mix does nothing for the KDF and Rom players. It is just more manpower wasted on the Fed players. Is it not better to make a ship that everyone might buy rather then just the Fed players?
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
If those ugly things ever get added, i want this POS in game as well
Ah the Raging Queen and Curry Variant. I would like them too, but this pic is wrong, people watched the scenes and placed the Saucer wrong on the secondary hull. This error was reworked later.
I believe you are totally missing the point of what I was saying. It has nothing to do with whether or not I like the ship. It has to do with whether or not Cryptic believes enough people will like the ship to be willing to pay money for it. Cryptic does not want to sell 100, or 500. They want to sell 10,000.
The fact that any particular group wants something does not mean the player-base even knows it exists or also wants it. Most of the people paying STO are not Trek fanatics. They are Trek casuals. Most of the player-base could not tell you the difference between a New Orleans and a Freedom Class.
And finally, adding 6 more Federation ships into the mix does nothing for the KDF and Rom players. It is just more manpower wasted on the Fed players. Is it not better to make a ship that everyone might buy rather then just the Fed players?
yes, and I think your missing what im trying to say.. I would say they could easily sell 10k of these ships.. especially if it had a 2409 skin.
and no, if they sell the ships to the more popular faction, it wasn't a waste of man power... like cryptic devs have said in the pat, they dedicate more recources to the feds cause its a larger market..
yes, and I think your missing what im trying to say.. I would say they could easily sell 10k of these ships.. especially if it had a 2409 skin.
and no, if they sell the ships to the more popular faction, it wasn't a waste of man power... like cryptic devs have said in the pat, they dedicate more recources to the feds cause its a larger market..
Let me just say that I think you are pulling a lot of player numbers out your butt. Cryptic has never stated the breakdown of Fed to KDF to Rom, so your 50-25-25 number is just your figures, probably picked up by reading someone else's post on the forum. The Devs do not give numbers. They learned their lesson when DStahl gave out the KDF percentage 3 years ago.
And yes, everyone knows that Cryptic dedicates more resources to the bigger Faction; but we also know that they have taken a much more concerted effort in trying to not just focus on the Feds. That is why there have been more Lockbox/Lobi ships then Fed-only C-Store ships over the last year. They are making a concerted effort to try and make items that are useful to everyone rather then just one group.
And I will simply say it again, most of the fan-base has NO IDEA what dead ships were at Wolf 359 that they see for 30 seconds. Tossing in a Freedom Class just because it is canon does not guarantee enough sales to justify a couple of months of work.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Let me just say that I think you are pulling a lot of player numbers out your butt. Cryptic has never stated the breakdown of Fed to KDF to Rom, so your 50-25-25 number is just your figures, probably picked up by reading someone else's post on the forum. The Devs do not give numbers. They learned their lesson when DStahl gave out the KDF percentage 3 years ago.
And yes, everyone knows that Cryptic dedicates more resources to the bigger Faction; but we also know that they have taken a much more concerted effort in trying to not just focus on the Feds. That is why there have been more Lockbox/Lobi ships then Fed-only C-Store ships over the last year. They are making a concerted effort to try and make items that are useful to everyone rather then just one group.
And I will simply say it again, most of the fan-base has NO IDEA what dead ships were at Wolf 359 that they see for 30 seconds. Tossing in a Freedom Class just because it is canon does not guarantee enough sales to justify a couple of months of work.
All true; however, the inevitable console (or set of consoles) that came with it might.
How about asking the players via a survey if they are interested in those ships?
Stahl did a survey a year ago about the Delta Quadrant, so the function exists.
If they want to do a survey it should be a mandatory Launcher survey: you cannot log into play until you make a selection. That way you know you are reaching the players. These forum surveys get 2-3,000 replies, and then we are stuck with whatever less then 1% of the player-base wants.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
If they want to do a survey it should be a mandatory Launcher survey: you cannot log into play until you make a selection. That way you know you are reaching the players. These forum surveys get 2-3,000 replies, and then we are stuck with whatever less then 1% of the player-base wants.
And once again this canard.
Why isn't the 1% proportional?
And how come ten percent, the original number, keeps getting reduced to one percent?
And how come ten percent, the original number, keeps getting reduced to one percent?
Because the people who come to the forum generally represent the ends: those most happy, major Trek fans, and those most unhappy. It does not reflect the vast majority in the middle. As has been said to you before.
And when did anyone say 3,000 was 10%? Only an idiot would think there are only 30,000 people playing STO.
Edit: was not implying you were an idiot. Just making a point that only an idiot would think the FTP game only has 30,000 players.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
If they want to do a survey it should be a mandatory Launcher survey: you cannot log into play until you make a selection. That way you know you are reaching the players. These forum surveys get 2-3,000 replies, and then we are stuck with whatever less then 1% of the player-base wants.
Until now I was always on your side. With this post you are off my best buddies list here, Brutus
Until now I was always on your side. With this post you are off my best buddies list here, Brutus
So if I understand this, you want just the regular forum people to vote rather then everyone playing the game? You honestly believe the hundreds of thousands who never come to the forum but still play and spend money should not get a vote? Really?
You are off my best buddies list too then!
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
So if I understand this, you want just the regular forum people to vote rather then everyone playing the game? You honestly believe the hundreds of thousands who never come to the forum but still play and spend money should not get a vote? Really?
You are off my best buddies list too then!
I know that a lot of players aren't active on the forum. But sometimes you must make a decision.
I will send you my Tovan Khev and all of my ugly Alien Boffs.
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yeah I fixed it, that's what I get for running a c/e and trying to type at the same time lol.. thanks both of you..
Here is an article the details the ship: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/cheyenne.htm
case and point.. the k'vort class has long been a canon ship the klinks have been screaming for.. but "geko" has a hang up on it, and doesn't personally like it, so we will never see it.. which is a bunch of rubbish.. this is geko who also thinks there was never a balance issue in the game lol..
I always wondered why they put the Cheyenne at first into STO and not the Challenger
This and a thousand times this.
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Yep, I wouldnt mind to pay for the 359 Kitbash skins.
There is this nearly unused and forgotten category in the Zen Store that was used for the now Fleet Level skins like the Comet.
As for those who think they are hideous, more power to 'em. But they are nowhere near as bad as some of Cryptic's in-house offerings. Can you say "Envoy" or "Noble"?
Agreed.
The truth is, some of those kitbashes are let down by a single component. The Challanger would look fine if there was a more balanced alternative to the conning tower it has for an upper pylon, and the Niagara looks good from any angle if given swept back pylons that join the ship a little further up the engineering hull IMO.
I've seen a lot of threads asking for a borg faction, which means flying borg ships. This does come up regulary.
Seen quite a few threads where people want an expanded roster of ships for a given race, such as the Gorn or vulcans. Not as regular as requests for borg ships, but pretty often.
However, I've seen a lot of threads suggesting that flying undine ships is barmy, with a minority of replies saying they wouldn't mind. I have never seen a thread where somebody has professed their undying devotion to the idea of flying undine ships.
I may have missed the one that happened that time, but to suggest that such threads are common is simply not true.
There has been no great drive to fly undine ships.
i have no objection to having them in game just because i dont like them but i suspect the best way if to give them a 2409 skin as mentioned earlier to try and please everyone.
pick one ship, do your best job with it and then see how it sells and go from there.
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That's not a bad idea.
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The fact that any particular group wants something does not mean the player-base even knows it exists or also wants it. Most of the people paying STO are not Trek fanatics. They are Trek casuals. Most of the player-base could not tell you the difference between a New Orleans and a Freedom Class.
And finally, adding 6 more Federation ships into the mix does nothing for the KDF and Rom players. It is just more manpower wasted on the Fed players. Is it not better to make a ship that everyone might buy rather then just the Fed players?
I love it.
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Ah the Raging Queen and Curry Variant. I would like them too, but this pic is wrong, people watched the scenes and placed the Saucer wrong on the secondary hull. This error was reworked later.
awesome.. another ship, and canon at that.. it should be in game..
I also would be pleased to have a tier V miranda, heck they are in the dyson sphere.
yes, and I think your missing what im trying to say.. I would say they could easily sell 10k of these ships.. especially if it had a 2409 skin.
and no, if they sell the ships to the more popular faction, it wasn't a waste of man power... like cryptic devs have said in the pat, they dedicate more recources to the feds cause its a larger market..
And yes, everyone knows that Cryptic dedicates more resources to the bigger Faction; but we also know that they have taken a much more concerted effort in trying to not just focus on the Feds. That is why there have been more Lockbox/Lobi ships then Fed-only C-Store ships over the last year. They are making a concerted effort to try and make items that are useful to everyone rather then just one group.
And I will simply say it again, most of the fan-base has NO IDEA what dead ships were at Wolf 359 that they see for 30 seconds. Tossing in a Freedom Class just because it is canon does not guarantee enough sales to justify a couple of months of work.
All true; however, the inevitable console (or set of consoles) that came with it might.
Stahl did a survey a year ago about the Delta Quadrant, so the function exists.
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And once again this canard.
Why isn't the 1% proportional?
And how come ten percent, the original number, keeps getting reduced to one percent?
And when did anyone say 3,000 was 10%? Only an idiot would think there are only 30,000 people playing STO.
Edit: was not implying you were an idiot. Just making a point that only an idiot would think the FTP game only has 30,000 players.
Until now I was always on your side. With this post you are off my best buddies list here, Brutus
You are off my best buddies list too then!
I know that a lot of players aren't active on the forum. But sometimes you must make a decision.
I will send you my Tovan Khev and all of my ugly Alien Boffs.