The whole purpose of having the ships in the docking area is to show them off. They won't be ble to do that if they scale down the size of ESD, since anything larger than an Excelsior won't fit through the doors. (Assuming we are using the Star Trek III size for ESD.)
Since the current ESD is following the TNG footage size, you're telling me they are going to scale the station down to a 3.8 km diameter? Including the outside? 90% of the ships in the game wont be able to manually dock anymore.
I did not say the interior followed TNG size I said it follows Movie size. It is already following the Movie size in the interior on tribble.
And the exterior model has never been to scale, same with every station model in the game, that won't change.
Ok its obvious you are upset, great, you are allowed to be. But keep in mind you are one of how many who play? Indeed.
As for how it looks, have you been there yet? Have you actually walked around and seen the marvel which is the new ESD? I sense with this particular post i've quoted that you haven't. I suggest that in that instance you patch up tribble and see what its all about. "But i have data caps!", then sir I am sorry about that, but until you've tasted it you aren't allowed to form an opinion about it.
I really dont care. I am alone, i know it. I know 90% of the people dont care about anything but new content xD, i must be the only reasonable person playing this game. But dont get me wrong, i am the one who is upset, but everyone will be upset from here to 1 year when cryptic announces the end of the game due to the impossibility of keep making new stuff. Because the code is so messed up , so filled with failed code and useless subroutines that is impossible to get anything clear. And since it will impossible to fly 4 light years without finding a bug, or a glith, i tell you, in 2015 the game will end. So, i have motives to be upset, but dont get it wrong, you should have too.
I guess this is like always happens, people will never realize until its too late.
I really dont care. I am alone, i know it. I know 90% of the people dont care about anything but new content xD, i must be the only reasonable person playing this game. But dont get me wrong, i am the one who is upset, but everyone will be upset from here to 1 year when cryptic announces the end of the game due to the impossibility of keep making new stuff. Because the code is so messed up , so filled with failed code and useless subroutines that is impossible to get anything clear. And since it will impossible to fly 4 light years without finding a bug, or a glith, i tell you, in 2015 the game will end. So, i have motives to be upset, but dont get it wrong, you should have too.
I guess this is like always happens, people will never realize until its too late.
So glad you have access to their code so that you know this.
FYI, just because old code is badly written doesn't mean new things can't be added that don't rely on said code. This eventually means all the old code will be gone.
The whole purpose of having the ships in the docking area is to show them off. They won't be ble to do that if they scale down the size of ESD, since anything larger than an Excelsior won't fit through the doors. (Assuming we are using the Star Trek III size for ESD.)
Since the current ESD is following the TNG footage size, you're telling me they are going to scale the station down to a 3.8 km diameter? Including the outside? 90% of the ships in the game wont be able to manually dock anymore.
Every ship CURRENTLY in the NEW ESD Docking bay will fit through the doors. (Including the Vesta)
I cannot guarantee that will be true going forward, as the center ship will be swapped out for others as the ship team makes them.
You appear to be in the belief that anyone that works at Cryptic does EVERYTHING, programs create ground maps, FX work on level design, etc ...
They dont, they have specialized fields on each department, if there is no work for that department they are not going to work on another departemnt.
I AM A PC PROGRAMMER (Coder, to say the exact words). I KNOW perfectly how things are done and the time it takes to do anything, desing, code, test, whatever.
And that is one of the reasons, i am so upset. Because i have base knowledge that cryptic is not doing things right. In fact, they ARE DOING NOTHING.
Do you realize that cryptic is formed by thousands of people?? only STO have a minimum quantity of about 50 people working on it (probably much more)?? This is the way things work: one team of 10-15 people work on new content. Another team of 10-15 people work on fixing bugs. Another team of 10-15 people work on tests. And so on. THATS THE WAY they should work or any other company. Now, if they dont have a clue how to do their own work.. that is bad, really bad. Any people can do almost anything in their team, but any decent company have specific guys working on specific things. Thats how companies work, and specially companies that make videogames. Now if you dont understand this, then you dont know anything about it.
Now tell me, where the hell are those guys that are supossed to fix bugs?? Cryptic just decided to just disolve that team and no more fixing bugs. They save money, time and job spots.
I will tell this millions of times, Cryptic have no excuses anymore, and anyone that tries to justify em, its not really a smart person. On the opposite (or he is just another cryptic employer, i think cryptic is doing this, placing people in the forums to make the sensation that a lot of people is ok with the way they do things).
I am getting real sick and tired of people complaining. Out of all the the Devs it seems Tacofangs seems to get hit the hardest with haters. If you really don't like something write constructive post about it, don't just sit around bashing the dev for doing his job and doing it extremely well I might add.
I for one, love the changes to the ESD, its going to be a beautiful place just to hang around and look out the window while talking wtih friends. It is my hope that we will actually see more people socializing in and out of character to make that place even better! This game is too much of a single player experience as it is.
Tacofangs, as being one of the long standing life time subscriber of the game , I appreciate all the work you do.
Riiiiight. Because NO ONE has a scimitar. Terrible ship, who would use that thing anyway.... Never see them in game, nope, never.
The changes benefit no one. The old ESD had everything in a moderately efficient layout. A little boring, but its a small, round space station, not a rat maze. It needed to be updated about as much as ship interiors: which is not at all. Its not like you can DO much on a station either --- bank and vendor being 99% of it at 50.
I don't have a Scimitar. The priimary reason why that is is because I don't want a Scimitar. Even if they're one of the "best" ships in the game, they're too ugly to even consider buying, in my opinion.
The new version of ESD is so much better than what is on Holodeck right now. The environmental artists really did put a lot of work into designing and outfitting the place. As for Functionality, there is that in the new version of ESD.
Ok, now that's out the way, I initially thought the new ESD was a waste of time. I felt the old one did the job just fine. It was not amazing or anything but good enough.
but the new one just looks jaw dropping. quality does matter and things like this will retain new players. whenever someone starts a new game, you have to impress them quickly because that initial phase of playing could go either way. when they hit ESD, a great looking one is more likely to impress than a shabby one and even for older players it feels fresh.
So if this keeps players and that in turn helps the game, then im all for it and i believe it will.
Every ship CURRENTLY in the NEW ESD Docking bay will fit through the doors. (Including the Vesta)
I cannot guarantee that will be true going forward, as the center ship will be swapped out for others as the ship team makes them.
Currently, from what I saw just now, the following ships are in the docking bay:
Vesta-class
Defiant-type Tactical Escort
Intrepid-class
Regent-class
Avengeance-class
Nova-class
Miranda-class
I think there was also an Akira and one other ship, but my screenshot couldn't get that.
The new ESD is clearly not following the TOS Movie scale. Since every ship currently in the bay (all the way up to the Regent) can fit through the doors, that must mean the doors are roughly ~400 meters in width. Implying that the entire station is scaled up accordingly.
(Thanks Taco for clarifying. Nice work on the station btw, I popped by just now and the stalling issues I had were virtually gone. )
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I am getting real sick and tired of people complaining. Out of all the the Devs it seems Tacofangs seems to get hit the hardest with haters. If you really don't like something write constructive post about it, don't just sit around bashing the dev for doing his job and doing it extremely well I might add.
I for one, love the changes to the ESD, its going to be a beautiful place just to hang around and look out the window while talking wtih friends. It is my hope that we will actually see more people socializing in and out of character to make that place even better! This game is too much of a single player experience as it is.
Tacofangs, as being one of the long standing life time subscriber of the game , I appreciate all the work you do.
And im tired of people like you. The ones that will make this game be throwing away to the toilet. Thank you very much. Complains are precisely what makes a game better. Thats the reason STO is to glithed and so full of fails and bugs. Because nobody complains. Everybody is like a robot, following the "good job cryptic" statement evrytime they make a stupid non important advance or they fix 1 tiny bug.
What can you expect from a person that thinks the devs are doing a great job?? nothing, really, another zen buyer or a nother subscriber, for sure. In the REAL world, the devs of STO are doing a terrible job, more than that, they are not doing any job at all. Sorrry if you cant see this, you should just buy glasses.
And of course you love changes in ESD, its new content, so its naturall that you like it. It will make no sense to say "i hate the new changes in ESD", of course. Specially coming from a person with your way of thinking.
And, YOU DONT HAVE ANY IDEA what things a dev do or the dont, so stop being condescendent with the devs, please, dont look more stupid than you look right now. You think because a dev pass by for the forums to say something, hes doing a great job?? do you know thats actually his job, right?? sigh.. some of you are just kids. I bet it.
And i will probably like the new ESD, but THAT IS NOT THE POINT. The point is, there are so many things to fix and improve , that is absolutely stupid to think they wasted time on making another ESD. As simple as that. If people like you dont understand this... well, the game is doomed xD.
The new ESD is clearly not following the TOS Movie scale. Since every ship currently in the bay (all the way up to the Regent) can fit through the doors, that must mean the doors are roughly 500 meters in width. Implying that the entire station is scaled up accordingly.
(Thanks Taco for clarifying. Nice work on the station btw, I popped by just now and the stalling issues I had were virtually gone. )
Taco is the one who said it was movie scale. He got the size from EAS which made the estimated size based on what was seen in the movies. Maybe the made the doors bigger to fit wider ships.
And, YOU DONT HAVE ANY IDEA what things a dev do or the dont, so stop being condescendent with the devs, please, dont look more stupid than you look right now. You think because a dev pass by for the forums to say something, hes doing a great job?? do you know thats actually his job, right?? sigh.. some of you are just kids. I bet it.
From the way your posting, you don't either.
Anyway, enough of that. Personally I can't wait for it to go live. Might actually spend more time in ESD as opposed to trying to get out of there as fast as I can. And the chat isn't why, I can turn that off.
Anyway, enough of that. Personally I can't wait for it to go live. Might actually spend more time in ESD as opposed to trying to get out of there as fast as I can. And the chat isn't why, I can turn that off.
NO. I dont. But what I DO KNOW is, they should fix every week 4 or 5 bugs. That is WHAT I DO KNOW. And that is what ANY OTHER COMPANY OF ANY OTHER GAME DOES. Cryptic is the only one in the world who totally forget about fixing bugs. So i have all the right to be upset. You are the one whou should but as i said, all of you are robots driven by cryptics hand. Its a shame.
Taco is the one who said it was movie scale. He got the size from EAS which made the estimated size based on what was seen in the movies. Maybe the made the doors bigger to fit wider ships.
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Cryptic is not that big, Wiki article just says over 100 people and thats 3 games they are currently supporting, CO, STO and Spellplague Online ... 4 if we count were our previous Executive Producer gone.
You are serious overestimate Cryptic staff, under Atari they shrunk and only after PWE they started to gain more size, if I recall they had a grand total of one ship artist, now they have three.
Wait a minute.. only 3 games?????? and still they cant fix things??? seriously.. .:mad:
I never overstimtated cryptic staff, thats the reason i didnt explode before. Because i know how things in this enterprise works. One thing is not to overstimate one company , other completely different is to believe they are 3 guys working against the clock in a tiny dusty room... to fix some of the bugs of the game it will require only >>> 1 guy and 1 hour of work << so tell me, how the hell is this problematic???? do you realize there are thousands of bugs and some of em are just ridiculous and are present since ages ago?? how do you explain that???
Don't you know? They don't have toilets in Star Trek, they just beam the waste out and recycle it.
I think they do their, ahem, necessities, directly on a Replicator shaped like a toilet. Then, the replicator recycles that waste somehow. Is that what you meant by beam the waste out and recycle it?
Wait a minute.. only 3 games?????? and still they cant fix things??? seriously.. .:mad:
I never overstimtated cryptic staff, thats the reason i didnt explode before. Because i know how things in this enterprise works. One thing is not overstimated one company , other completely different is to believe they are 3 guys working against the clock in a tiny dusty room... to fix some of the bugs of the game it will require only >>> 1 guy and 1 hour of work << so tell me, how the hell is this problematic???? do you realize there are thousands of bugs and some of em are just ridiculous and are present since ages ago?? how do you explain that???
Sir. I don't know how to tell you this...but...you are digging yourself deeper and deeper into a hole. I will ask again...
What bugs are you speaking of? Since you are demanding that they fix alot of "bugs and fails", as you put it, what are they? You obviously know since you are demanding they fix them.
What bugs are you speaking of? Since you are demanding that they fix alot of "bugs and fails", as you put it, what are they? You obviously know since you are demanding they fix them.
Im not going to answer this (there is no need again, if you want bug reports go to the bug section of the forums). Its obvious that you played another completely different game than STO in the past 3 years. In fact, this commentary of yours make me think you are just how to say "in bad shape" lol. Lol, a person who doesnt know what bugs and glithces are present in STO lol... this is new. And refreshing.
For myself I can say, that I like a lot the new ESD. It's more alive with all the trees and water. And also you can find everything on spot, not like old ESD, where you must go round and round to find let's say fleet ambassador or security.
And on the other hand, I don't understand some players, that they are complaining ans threatening with quitting playing STO. Let them!!! Less trash on servers. If I don't like the game I simply dont play it. And to those players, nobody's forcing you to play STO.
For myself I can say, that I like a lot the new ESD. It's more alive with all the trees and water. And also you can find everything on spot, not like old ESD, where you must go round and round to find let's say fleet ambassador or security.
And on the other hand, I don't understand some players, that they are complaining ans threatening with quitting playing STO. Let them!!! Less trash on servers. If I don't like the game I simply dont play it. And to those players, nobody's forcing you to play STO.
I am not "threatening" with quitting STO. Because there will be no need since in 2015 im pretty sure the game is almost on the ground already. But in the moment Star Citizen launches, im almost sure i will be out of here for good (and any reasonable person will as well). The forums of STO are like a cryptic compendium with everybody making positive comments and "good jobs cryptic" everywhere. I honestly think this must be the most false community ive ever seen in so many years lol. People talk about the ones that never write in the forums, im pretty sure those ones are the ones that have more common sense than the majority of people writting in the forums. IM PRETTY SURE.
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I did not say the interior followed TNG size I said it follows Movie size. It is already following the Movie size in the interior on tribble.
And the exterior model has never been to scale, same with every station model in the game, that won't change.
I really dont care. I am alone, i know it. I know 90% of the people dont care about anything but new content xD, i must be the only reasonable person playing this game. But dont get me wrong, i am the one who is upset, but everyone will be upset from here to 1 year when cryptic announces the end of the game due to the impossibility of keep making new stuff. Because the code is so messed up , so filled with failed code and useless subroutines that is impossible to get anything clear. And since it will impossible to fly 4 light years without finding a bug, or a glith, i tell you, in 2015 the game will end. So, i have motives to be upset, but dont get it wrong, you should have too.
I guess this is like always happens, people will never realize until its too late.
FYI, just because old code is badly written doesn't mean new things can't be added that don't rely on said code. This eventually means all the old code will be gone.
Every ship CURRENTLY in the NEW ESD Docking bay will fit through the doors. (Including the Vesta)
I cannot guarantee that will be true going forward, as the center ship will be swapped out for others as the ship team makes them.
I AM A PC PROGRAMMER (Coder, to say the exact words). I KNOW perfectly how things are done and the time it takes to do anything, desing, code, test, whatever.
And that is one of the reasons, i am so upset. Because i have base knowledge that cryptic is not doing things right. In fact, they ARE DOING NOTHING.
Do you realize that cryptic is formed by thousands of people?? only STO have a minimum quantity of about 50 people working on it (probably much more)?? This is the way things work: one team of 10-15 people work on new content. Another team of 10-15 people work on fixing bugs. Another team of 10-15 people work on tests. And so on. THATS THE WAY they should work or any other company. Now, if they dont have a clue how to do their own work.. that is bad, really bad. Any people can do almost anything in their team, but any decent company have specific guys working on specific things. Thats how companies work, and specially companies that make videogames. Now if you dont understand this, then you dont know anything about it.
Now tell me, where the hell are those guys that are supossed to fix bugs?? Cryptic just decided to just disolve that team and no more fixing bugs. They save money, time and job spots.
I will tell this millions of times, Cryptic have no excuses anymore, and anyone that tries to justify em, its not really a smart person. On the opposite (or he is just another cryptic employer, i think cryptic is doing this, placing people in the forums to make the sensation that a lot of people is ok with the way they do things).
I for one, love the changes to the ESD, its going to be a beautiful place just to hang around and look out the window while talking wtih friends. It is my hope that we will actually see more people socializing in and out of character to make that place even better! This game is too much of a single player experience as it is.
Tacofangs, as being one of the long standing life time subscriber of the game , I appreciate all the work you do.
The new version of ESD is so much better than what is on Holodeck right now. The environmental artists really did put a lot of work into designing and outfitting the place. As for Functionality, there is that in the new version of ESD.
Ok, now that's out the way, I initially thought the new ESD was a waste of time. I felt the old one did the job just fine. It was not amazing or anything but good enough.
but the new one just looks jaw dropping. quality does matter and things like this will retain new players. whenever someone starts a new game, you have to impress them quickly because that initial phase of playing could go either way. when they hit ESD, a great looking one is more likely to impress than a shabby one and even for older players it feels fresh.
So if this keeps players and that in turn helps the game, then im all for it and i believe it will.
Currently, from what I saw just now, the following ships are in the docking bay:
The new ESD is clearly not following the TOS Movie scale. Since every ship currently in the bay (all the way up to the Regent) can fit through the doors, that must mean the doors are roughly ~400 meters in width. Implying that the entire station is scaled up accordingly.
(Thanks Taco for clarifying. Nice work on the station btw, I popped by just now and the stalling issues I had were virtually gone.
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And im tired of people like you. The ones that will make this game be throwing away to the toilet. Thank you very much. Complains are precisely what makes a game better. Thats the reason STO is to glithed and so full of fails and bugs. Because nobody complains. Everybody is like a robot, following the "good job cryptic" statement evrytime they make a stupid non important advance or they fix 1 tiny bug.
What can you expect from a person that thinks the devs are doing a great job?? nothing, really, another zen buyer or a nother subscriber, for sure. In the REAL world, the devs of STO are doing a terrible job, more than that, they are not doing any job at all. Sorrry if you cant see this, you should just buy glasses.
And of course you love changes in ESD, its new content, so its naturall that you like it. It will make no sense to say "i hate the new changes in ESD", of course. Specially coming from a person with your way of thinking.
And, YOU DONT HAVE ANY IDEA what things a dev do or the dont, so stop being condescendent with the devs, please, dont look more stupid than you look right now. You think because a dev pass by for the forums to say something, hes doing a great job?? do you know thats actually his job, right?? sigh.. some of you are just kids. I bet it.
And i will probably like the new ESD, but THAT IS NOT THE POINT. The point is, there are so many things to fix and improve , that is absolutely stupid to think they wasted time on making another ESD. As simple as that. If people like you dont understand this... well, the game is doomed xD.
Plus, it's not that unreasonable to think that Starfleet may undertake a project to widen the doors at some point in the intervening years.
Taco is the one who said it was movie scale. He got the size from EAS which made the estimated size based on what was seen in the movies. Maybe the made the doors bigger to fit wider ships.
https://twitter.com/Tumerboy/status/445254296427188224
From the way your posting, you don't either.
Anyway, enough of that. Personally I can't wait for it to go live. Might actually spend more time in ESD as opposed to trying to get out of there as fast as I can. And the chat isn't why, I can turn that off.
NO. I dont. But what I DO KNOW is, they should fix every week 4 or 5 bugs. That is WHAT I DO KNOW. And that is what ANY OTHER COMPANY OF ANY OTHER GAME DOES. Cryptic is the only one in the world who totally forget about fixing bugs. So i have all the right to be upset. You are the one whou should but as i said, all of you are robots driven by cryptics hand. Its a shame.
I thought never seeing the toilets was canon though.
Don't you know? They don't have toilets in Star Trek, they just beam the waste out and recycle it.
Photoshop time, I'll be right back.
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Wait a minute.. only 3 games?????? and still they cant fix things??? seriously.. .:mad:
I never overstimtated cryptic staff, thats the reason i didnt explode before. Because i know how things in this enterprise works. One thing is not to overstimate one company , other completely different is to believe they are 3 guys working against the clock in a tiny dusty room... to fix some of the bugs of the game it will require only >>> 1 guy and 1 hour of work << so tell me, how the hell is this problematic???? do you realize there are thousands of bugs and some of em are just ridiculous and are present since ages ago?? how do you explain that???
I think they do their, ahem, necessities, directly on a Replicator shaped like a toilet. Then, the replicator recycles that waste somehow. Is that what you meant by beam the waste out and recycle it?
This should help with scale, again from Taco
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2840/13436887523_e72b7ea456_o.jpg
Sir. I don't know how to tell you this...but...you are digging yourself deeper and deeper into a hole. I will ask again...
What bugs are you speaking of? Since you are demanding that they fix alot of "bugs and fails", as you put it, what are they? You obviously know since you are demanding they fix them.
Im not going to answer this (there is no need again, if you want bug reports go to the bug section of the forums). Its obvious that you played another completely different game than STO in the past 3 years. In fact, this commentary of yours make me think you are just how to say "in bad shape" lol. Lol, a person who doesnt know what bugs and glithces are present in STO lol... this is new. And refreshing.
And on the other hand, I don't understand some players, that they are complaining ans threatening with quitting playing STO. Let them!!! Less trash on servers. If I don't like the game I simply dont play it. And to those players, nobody's forcing you to play STO.
Transporters.
To add to this. The Dome is 3.7KM, but perhaps the doors in the game are bigger then the actual ones from the Movies.
Here are some shots I took of the Interior dome with Demo viewer
http://puu.sh/7KkAv
http://puu.sh/7KjtZ
Many of the programmers at the company work on all games, so they aren't counted as STO.
Audio is the same way.
I am not "threatening" with quitting STO. Because there will be no need since in 2015 im pretty sure the game is almost on the ground already. But in the moment Star Citizen launches, im almost sure i will be out of here for good (and any reasonable person will as well). The forums of STO are like a cryptic compendium with everybody making positive comments and "good jobs cryptic" everywhere. I honestly think this must be the most false community ive ever seen in so many years lol. People talk about the ones that never write in the forums, im pretty sure those ones are the ones that have more common sense than the majority of people writting in the forums. IM PRETTY SURE.