The pre refit Connie was supposed to have Saucer Seperation as an emergency evac thing if I remember correctly from reading somewhere. Explosive bolts would go off, seperating the saucer from the rest of the ship. No way to reattach without a shipyard.
Anyways... when I pointed out the lack of visible impulse engines on the Nebula, I was bringing up the fact that we have impulse trails, but no visible source. They just come off the saucer about where the Galaxy's saucer impulse engines come from.
* I'd like to see the Venture skin become avaibable for all Galaxy-class related designs (incl. Cheyenne). A family lineage, so to speak.
* Personally, I'd presume that saucer separation is standard for most, if not all Starfleet starship classes (Voyager was refitted with saucer separation in the VOY relaunch novels). However, that doesn't mean I would include saucer sep. for all ships in-game. The Nebula is a good candiate, though, because it so close to the Galaxy.
Fun fact #1: The Furuta model of the Nebula-class allows for saucer separation.
Fun fact #2: Do yourself a favour and google images of Cheyenne-class saucer separation.
Fun ponder #3: I wonder what a Nebula-X-class refit would look like? :eek:
some one did that basically all the gal-x parts minus the lance do to space but had the nacelle phases, saucer antenna, and torpedo pod above the bridge
The RL Nebula model was built after the Galaxy model.
So if the designers had had the intention of allowing it to seperate I'm pretty sure they hould have included the typical seperation line we can see on the underside of the Galaxy saucer where it's connected to the secondary hull. They could just use the knowledge that went into the construction of the Galaxy model after all.
even if fan models like the ones posted on the forums include them, the physical model of the ship that was built does not include them.
So I'd say it's pretty clear the Nebula is not equipped with a regular sep/reconnect mechanism.
At best it'll be something like a one-time sep system eimploying explosve bolts or something similar.
I seem to recall hearing that the original conception for the nebula class was as a recovery vessel for Galaxy-class saucer sections. I know that idea was later scrapped, but I don't think it would be too far a stretch for the Nebula to have separation. I'm pretty sure the Constitution and Excelsior were supposed to have it as well, but never shown for budget reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if the soverign had this feature as well, honestly.
That's a myth embedded in fandom Trek tech. I remember this exact topic on TrekBBS or here, its starting to blurr. The Nebula is not a economy Galaxy. They have roughly the same volume, the neck is now in the back holding the pod.
While the original physical model of the Nebula had no visible saucer impulse engines, the updated CGI one did, but that one was literally a reconfigured Galaxy.
Personally in my opinion, due to its size and the fact that it was a powerful ship, the Nebula was Starfleet's premier ship, while the Galaxy was designed for as a sole flagship until some enterprising Admirals reconfigured the ship's role to be encompass a more exploration role.
I don't think standard Nebula's have saucer sep. there might have been one or two with no saucer and are ment to retereve Gal sqaucers when Stardrive gone. but the Nebula is a mass produce version of Gal. Originally only a handful a galaxys were planned. with nebula's to make up the difference. A nebula is just about as powerful but does less do to smaller space. hence the mission pod.
Also the Sovie CAN seperate. She was design for it. Just haven't seen it on screen.
Also the Sovie CAN seperate. She was design for it. Just haven't seen it on screen.
That means it can't, unless proven otherwise.
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Since the Nebula is a differently arranged Galaxy with a pod I always assumed it had Saucer separation. But I could never imagine how that would look, and it looks much then I thought.
I personally would like to see saucer separation on more ships (Sovereign for example^^) ... but remodeling ships to support saucer separation a lot of work... So its unlikely to happen.
I don't think standard Nebula's have saucer sep. there might have been one or two with no saucer and are ment to retereve Gal sqaucers when Stardrive gone. but the Nebula is a mass produce version of Gal. Originally only a handful a galaxys were planned. with nebula's to make up the difference. A nebula is just about as powerful but does less do to smaller space. hence the mission pod.
Also the Sovie CAN seperate. She was design for it. Just haven't seen it on screen.
Depends on how canon the novelization of "Farpoint" is considered. It talks about Riker doing his "manual reconnect" trick on a Nebula class ship, as well as an Excelsior.
So, either it isn't canon, or at least some Nebulas had saucer sep.
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Depends on how canon the novelization of "Farpoint" is considered. It talks about Riker doing his "manual reconnect" trick on a Nebula class ship, as well as an Excelsior.
So, either it isn't canon, or at least some Nebulas had saucer sep.
I would like to see some visible impulse engines though.
Are the two 'exhaust ports' on the back edges of the saucer not the impulse engines? They're essentially the same as the ones on the back of the Galaxy saucer (and might then reinforce the whole saucer separation idea as well)
And of course, all Fed ships (with engineering hull sections anyway) can separate the drive section in an emergency - even the old Connie can do it. Most of them just can't put themselves back together again like the Galaxy can.
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Isn't the Galaxy/Nebula class the 24th century equivalent of the Constitution/Miranda make up?
The saucers are supposed to be nearly identical for both. But in the case of the older Connie/Miranda, the saucer was purely meant as a 'lifeboat' in case of major damage (or warp engine dangers) with the engineering hull. With the newer Galaxy/Nebula this was supposed to also be the case, but allowed the enginnering hull to fight as a separate ship to allow the saucer to get away in combat conditions (because there were large amounts of civilians/families on board them now). They had the capability to reconnect once the danger was over.
Of course the same could be said for the D7 class - wasn't the 'forward boom' (Neck/Bridge) supposed to be able to separate as a 'lifeboat' (impulse power only) too? It seems I heard someplace that in Star Trek: The Motion Picture they were going to show this when the V'Ger torpedo hit the last Klingon ship, but was scraped due to budget overruns and looming deadlines.
That is a commun mistake.
The Miranda was "kind" of a budged connie. Its the same engines. same saucer, but no engine section.
The Nebula on the other hand had ALL components of a Galaxy PLUS a sensor pod. So if anything, the Galaxy is the budged Nebula not the other way around. (that might explain why we see much more Galaxys then mirandas)
My personal theory is that the Miranda is a specialized version...
Although: a former fleetmate calculated the mirandas actual mass with the result that those additional attachments in the Miranda saucer causes it to ultimately be as big as a constitution.
I have trouble believing that but I feel its necessary to mention it^^
Of course the same could be said for the D7 class - wasn't the 'forward boom' (Neck/Bridge) supposed to be able to separate as a 'lifeboat' (impulse power only) too? It seems I heard someplace that in Star Trek: The Motion Picture they were going to show this when the V'Ger torpedo hit the last Klingon ship, but was scraped due to budget overruns and looming deadlines.
I don't have a canon reference, though at least in the game "Klingon Honor Guard" by Microprose there's a cutscene of a D7 separating. The mission requires the player to overload the ships warp core if I remember correctly and you escape via the "bridge module".
The Miranda was "kind" of a budged connie. Its the same engines. same saucer, but no engine section.
The Nebula on the other hand had ALL components of a Galaxy PLUS a sensor pod. So if anything, the Galaxy is the budged Nebula not the other way around. (that might explain why we see much more Galaxys then mirandas)
My personal theory is that the Miranda is a specialized version...
Although: a former fleetmate calculated the mirandas actual mass with the result that those additional attachments in the Miranda saucer causes it to ultimately be as big as a constitution.
I have trouble believing that but I feel its necessary to mention it^^
According to the DS9 Technical Manual, the Nebula lacks around 1,2-ish million metric tons of mass in comparision to the Galaxy. The Galaxy class is massive. The Nebula is a more economic version using similiar parts and the interchangeable mission pod offers some more flexiblity. I think it was the relatively rapid deployments of Nebulas that calmed the Cardassian conflict, though the Galaxy remains the top of the line ship for Starfleet in-canon (note: No, that does not mean it's bestest at eerything ).
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Just pop a lance on it. Can call it a Nebunought! Or a Dreadula!
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It's called a Nebula (X)-class Science Dreadnaught... Rather than a phaser lance, it could have some kind of tachyon lance-type attack that can strip a shield facing off of pretty much any ship, but can't do hull damage.
The Miranda was "kind" of a budged connie. Its the same engines. same saucer, but no engine section.
The Nebula on the other hand had ALL components of a Galaxy PLUS a sensor pod. So if anything, the Galaxy is the budged Nebula not the other way around. (that might explain why we see much more Galaxys then mirandas)
My personal theory is that the Miranda is a specialized version...
Although: a former fleetmate calculated the mirandas actual mass with the result that those additional attachments in the Miranda saucer causes it to ultimately be as big as a constitution.
I have trouble believing that but I feel its necessary to mention it^^
No the neblua is a cheaper Galaxy. less crew less resources to make her but same roughly same power. Situation inthe universe cause more Gtalaxys to be built and you can bet many Nebulas were also built. But Miranda and Excel just had more numbers during the war.
I don't have a canon reference, though at least in the game "Klingon Honor Guard" by Microprose there's a cutscene of a D7 separating. The mission requires the player to overload the ships warp core if I remember correctly and you escape via the "bridge module".
Wasn't that fun
According to the DS9 Technical Manual, the Nebula lacks around 1,2-ish million metric tons of mass in comparision to the Galaxy. The Galaxy class is massive. The Nebula is a more economic version using similiar parts and the interchangeable mission pod offers some more flexiblity. I think it was the relatively rapid deployments of Nebulas that calmed the Cardassian conflict, though the Galaxy remains the top of the line ship for Starfleet in-canon (note: No, that does not mean it's bestest at eerything ).
Luckily that TM isn't canon. Lots of TRIBBLE in there.
And common sense suggests other wise. In fact we have very little canon information on the Nebula.
But the simple fact that it has the SAME COMPONENTS plus the sensor pod makes it illogical to have a smaller mass.
It's called a Nebula (X)-class Science Dreadnaught... Rather than a phaser lance, it could have some kind of tachyon lance-type attack that can strip a shield facing off of pretty much any ship, but can't do hull damage.
I and the U.S.S. Chattanooga would TOTALLY sign up for that!
On a related note, maybe this impressive view I got of my beloved Chattanooga(Fleet Nebula Retrofit) could help with the discussion on the Saucer separation debate.
While I would love to have this ability, and would HAPPILY grind a bit to earn whatever was needed to make it happen, I don't really see it as practical for a Science ship, except perhaps as a way to rapidly evacuate planets/bases while the stardrive section engages in some related function, perhaps even defending the saucer section....
I would imagine if it's designed using a Galaxy saucer section then it likely has the same separation lines even if they replaced the retractable latches with explosive bolts. We can't really see the line on the models because it is hidden by the engineering hull, but it would be reasonable to still have the ability to be able to jettison the stardrive in an emergency.
I rather like the idea of a Nebula Dreadnought, replace the sensor pod with a huge friggin cannon. Actually that's not supposed to be a sensor pod, that's a multiple torpedo launcher platform.
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Writing as a very happy Nebula owner, i can't see any point at all in saucer seperation.
However, if and when the secondary deflector system is fully enabled, i can see the Nebula getting a unique deflector option or two to reflect the intended versatility of the mission pod.
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* I'd like to see the Venture skin become avaibable for all Galaxy-class related designs (incl. Cheyenne). A family lineage, so to speak.
* Personally, I'd presume that saucer separation is standard for most, if not all Starfleet starship classes (Voyager was refitted with saucer separation in the VOY relaunch novels). However, that doesn't mean I would include saucer sep. for all ships in-game. The Nebula is a good candiate, though, because it so close to the Galaxy.
Fun fact #1: The Furuta model of the Nebula-class allows for saucer separation.
Fun fact #2: Do yourself a favour and google images of Cheyenne-class saucer separation.
Fun ponder #3: I wonder what a Nebula-X-class refit would look like? :eek:
So if the designers had had the intention of allowing it to seperate I'm pretty sure they hould have included the typical seperation line we can see on the underside of the Galaxy saucer where it's connected to the secondary hull. They could just use the knowledge that went into the construction of the Galaxy model after all.
However there's no sep line of the Nebula model:
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080827221457/memoryalpha/en/images/1/10/USS_Prometheus_ventral%2C_Second_Sight.jpg
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080827221457/memoryalpha/en/images/1/10/USS_Prometheus_ventral,_Second_Sight.jpg
even if fan models like the ones posted on the forums include them, the physical model of the ship that was built does not include them.
So I'd say it's pretty clear the Nebula is not equipped with a regular sep/reconnect mechanism.
At best it'll be something like a one-time sep system eimploying explosve bolts or something similar.
I once saw fan model of a saucer separated nx class. Nearly wet myself.:P
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That's a myth embedded in fandom Trek tech. I remember this exact topic on TrekBBS or here, its starting to blurr. The Nebula is not a economy Galaxy. They have roughly the same volume, the neck is now in the back holding the pod.
While the original physical model of the Nebula had no visible saucer impulse engines, the updated CGI one did, but that one was literally a reconfigured Galaxy.
Personally in my opinion, due to its size and the fact that it was a powerful ship, the Nebula was Starfleet's premier ship, while the Galaxy was designed for as a sole flagship until some enterprising Admirals reconfigured the ship's role to be encompass a more exploration role.
Also the Sovie CAN seperate. She was design for it. Just haven't seen it on screen.
That means it can't, unless proven otherwise.
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I actually like that. A lot.
Since the Nebula is a differently arranged Galaxy with a pod I always assumed it had Saucer separation. But I could never imagine how that would look, and it looks much then I thought.
I personally would like to see saucer separation on more ships (Sovereign for example^^) ... but remodeling ships to support saucer separation a lot of work... So its unlikely to happen.
Depends on how canon the novelization of "Farpoint" is considered. It talks about Riker doing his "manual reconnect" trick on a Nebula class ship, as well as an Excelsior.
So, either it isn't canon, or at least some Nebulas had saucer sep.
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I have the Star Trek magazine. the guy who designed the Sovie made it have saucer sep so yes it can. Cryptic should make a Sovie Retro that can do it.
No that means its up to interpretation.
And of course, all Fed ships (with engineering hull sections anyway) can separate the drive section in an emergency - even the old Connie can do it. Most of them just can't put themselves back together again like the Galaxy can.
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Trimmed down sensor pod with external torpedo launcher: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Nebula_class_model?file=Nebula_class_alternate_sensor_pod_mock-up.jpg
or the Pheonix oval sensor pod: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Nebula_class_model?file=USS_Phoenix_studio_model.jpg
Or this idea of a streamlined saucer section: http://www.ewe-squad.com/fleet/nebulavariant2.jpg
That is a commun mistake.
The Miranda was "kind" of a budged connie. Its the same engines. same saucer, but no engine section.
The Nebula on the other hand had ALL components of a Galaxy PLUS a sensor pod. So if anything, the Galaxy is the budged Nebula not the other way around. (that might explain why we see much more Galaxys then mirandas)
My personal theory is that the Miranda is a specialized version...
Although: a former fleetmate calculated the mirandas actual mass with the result that those additional attachments in the Miranda saucer causes it to ultimately be as big as a constitution.
I have trouble believing that but I feel its necessary to mention it^^
I don't have a canon reference, though at least in the game "Klingon Honor Guard" by Microprose there's a cutscene of a D7 separating. The mission requires the player to overload the ships warp core if I remember correctly and you escape via the "bridge module".
According to the DS9 Technical Manual, the Nebula lacks around 1,2-ish million metric tons of mass in comparision to the Galaxy. The Galaxy class is massive. The Nebula is a more economic version using similiar parts and the interchangeable mission pod offers some more flexiblity. I think it was the relatively rapid deployments of Nebulas that calmed the Cardassian conflict, though the Galaxy remains the top of the line ship for Starfleet in-canon (note: No, that does not mean it's bestest at eerything
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It's called a Nebula (X)-class Science Dreadnaught... Rather than a phaser lance, it could have some kind of tachyon lance-type attack that can strip a shield facing off of pretty much any ship, but can't do hull damage.
No the neblua is a cheaper Galaxy. less crew less resources to make her but same roughly same power. Situation inthe universe cause more Gtalaxys to be built and you can bet many Nebulas were also built. But Miranda and Excel just had more numbers during the war.
Wasn't that fun
Luckily that TM isn't canon. Lots of TRIBBLE in there.
And common sense suggests other wise. In fact we have very little canon information on the Nebula.
But the simple fact that it has the SAME COMPONENTS plus the sensor pod makes it illogical to have a smaller mass.
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I and the U.S.S. Chattanooga would TOTALLY sign up for that!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/CapeMike/screenshot_2014-03-09-23-24-20.jpg
On a related note, maybe this impressive view I got of my beloved Chattanooga(Fleet Nebula Retrofit) could help with the discussion on the Saucer separation debate.
While I would love to have this ability, and would HAPPILY grind a bit to earn whatever was needed to make it happen, I don't really see it as practical for a Science ship, except perhaps as a way to rapidly evacuate planets/bases while the stardrive section engages in some related function, perhaps even defending the saucer section....
I rather like the idea of a Nebula Dreadnought, replace the sensor pod with a huge friggin cannon. Actually that's not supposed to be a sensor pod, that's a multiple torpedo launcher platform.
However, if and when the secondary deflector system is fully enabled, i can see the Nebula getting a unique deflector option or two to reflect the intended versatility of the mission pod.