To start the Avenger is a battlecruiser, dont bring up cruisers so you can go around spreading disinformation.
You managed to thinly veil a back-biting comment beneath an entirely semantic and false claim about the Avenger not being a type of cruiser when it categorically by Cryptic's own presentation of material.
*Golfclap*, your failure is so far past complete there is no coming back form it.
Ahem, the Avenger is over there ->, since that seems to be what you're asking for.
This one I'll get a bit more intellectual with, since the actual definition of a 'dreadnought' does not apply to Star Trek vessels, so first things first, the term needs to be redefined in regards to Star Trek vessels.
So, in-game terms, what constitutes a dreadnought? If we go with your definition, a big slow tactical ship, than the Avenger is a dreadnought, the Mogh and Bortas would be dreads, and to a lesser extent the Odyssey Tactical and Assault Refit could be classified as dreadnoughts.
Also, absolutely in no-way are all of the C-store vessels Fleet level, aside from a select few.
I don't actually have an answer, since the JHDC and Scimitar-classes have quite a lot in common (heavy tactical abilities, two hangars, etc...), yet the Galaxy Dreadnought doesn't follow the standards set by those ships as dreadnoughts. I would say that a dreadnought would be a sub-type of an existing class of vessel that performs beyond the standards of that class, but the Galaxy Dread is not much of an upgrade of the base Galaxy Retrofit in regards to defenses or offensive abilities, so that doesn't really apply either. Essentially, everyone is arguing semantics with no clear definition of what is being argued.
Lastly, I'll just throw out that if the Gal-X was given the more tactical focused Boff seating, it would be directly competing with several other Starfleet vessels that are out there, notably the Avenger, Tactical Odyssey, and Assault Refit.... do we REALLY need 4 tactical focused cruisers?
I am not sure if your question is rhetorical or serious.
How recent and link maybe ? Becuase I don't remember geko ever saying no to updating the gal-r...
Twitter tweet made like the day of the announcement essentially said that no, they didn't have any plans to make layout changes to the Galaxy R. So it's apparently not on the schedule. Which means it isn't going live on the 6th.
That's just the most recent. In the past year or so, he's answered questions about the Galaxy on a couple of different podcasts and indicated that he wasn't scheduling any tweaks to its layout. So far he's been true to those statements.
To paraphrase the many many fun responders in any, and every, T5 Connie thread:
Geko said no. This is a dead horse.
Alright, this is just plain wrong.
Geko did not say "no" to the T5 Connie. CBS did. And since CBS has not allowed Cryptic to proceed with a Constitution in T5 form, Cryptic has their hands tied, regardless of whether or not they support a T5 Connie. I again refer you to the thread in which you posted so frequently.
In the case of the Galaxy, it's a different story. You claim that Geko opposed the idea of an edited Galaxy. Where is your proof?
And yes, I did read that post back there where you claim CBS had, at one point, banned the "star" ships of the various Star Trek series. That decision was apparently reversed, since we have all of them ingame. Thus, it is possible for CBS to reverse their decision; but it's a decision on the CBS side, not the Cryptic/PWE side.
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Opinions are allowed in forums, last time I checked. =3
Not according to Cryptics "die hard fans" whose journey in life seems invested in seeking out new posts and forum threads that question/criticize Cryptic in order to derail their topics like no one has managed before.
Not according to Cryptics "die hard fans" whose journey in life seems invested in seeking out new posts and forum threads that question/criticize Cryptic in order to derail their topics like no one has managed before.
I believe that tactic is called "strawman" or something along those lines.
Proof must be used in order to prove the legitimacy of an opinion, or to discredit anothers'.
Without legitimacy, an opinion is simply that; a personal opinion. It has no traction; and thus does not matter when seriously considering a change.
So while opinions are most certainly allowed (and especially humorous ones - gotta have a fun side!), they don't count.
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In the case of the Galaxy, it's a different story. You claim that Geko opposed the idea of an edited Galaxy. Where is your proof?
The Twitter feed that said just the other day they had no plans to alter the layout of the Galaxy R or its fleet version?
It's not on his schedule. And he's been pretty up front about not doing anything with that ship in a couple of different podcasts.
It's possible he might reverse his decision, but a year of the Beef thread, and he's held firm in the ship design priorities of his job. I'm just not seeing too much movement there.
Twitter tweet made like the day of the announcement essentially said that no, they didn't have any plans to make layout changes to the Galaxy R. So it's apparently not on the schedule. Which means it isn't going live on the 6th.
That's just the most recent. In the past year or so, he's answered questions about the Galaxy on a couple of different podcasts and indicated that he wasn't scheduling any tweaks to its layout. So far he's been true to those statements.
That tweet was just from the new community manager just saying that there hadn't been a update to the boffs of galaxy. Which we already kinda knew from the dev post.
But hmmm those podcasts were quite awhile ago. They didn't seem like he said no it wouldn't ever happen. But it seem kinda wrong for the GAL-X to be more versatile then GAL-R.
The Twitter feed that said just the other day they had no plans to alter the layout of the Galaxy R or its fleet version?
It's not on his schedule. And he's been pretty up front about not doing anything with that ship in a couple of different podcasts.
It's possible he might reverse his decision, but a year of the Beef thread, and he's held firm in the ship design priorities of his job. I'm just not seeing too much movement there.
It's kind of a dead horse.
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Geko did not say "no" to a reworked Gal-R. The new community manager did (His twitter handle is @PWECaptainSmirk). And, like many things in BranFlakes' past, the community manager can reverse a decision at the tip of a hat. And by no means is a reworked Galaxy banned by CBS, unlike the Connie. They are two different issues.
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I believe that tactic is called "strawman" or something along those lines.
Proof must be used in order to prove the legitimacy of an opinion, or to discredit anothers'.
Without legitimacy, an opinion is simply that; a personal opinion. It has no traction; and thus does not matter when seriously considering a change.
So while opinions are most certainly allowed (and especially humorous ones - gotta have a fun side!), they don't count.
Yes, Cryptic's die hard fans do engage in "strawman" tactics. Good of you to point that out.
Yes, Cryptic's die hard fans do engage in "strawman" tactics. Good of you to point that out.
It's quite evident once you post often enough in that thread - I believe skollulfr accuses practically everyone for doing that.
(Not to say he's wrong for doing so - in fact, sometimes he's right on the money.)
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Geko did not say "no" to a reworked Gal-R. The new community manager did (His twitter handle is @PWECaptainSmirk). And, like many things in BranFlakes' past, the community manager can reverse a decision at the tip of a hat. And by no means is a reworked Galaxy banned by CBS, unlike the Connie. They are two different issues.
But where would Smirk have gotten that information from? I mean, of all the Cryptic Employees he would have to ask, which one would that be?
But where would Smirk have gotten that information from? I mean, of all the Cryptic Employees he would have to ask, which one would that be?
This is a trick question.
Indeed it is, since we all know Geko is fully capable of making those responses himself. After all, he is the lead designer, and thus should know the most about such decisions - more so than Smirk.
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Indeed it is, since we all know Geko is fully capable of making those responses himself. After all, he is the lead designer, and thus should know the most about such decisions - more so than Smirk.
Welp, the end result of your feedback is on Tribble right now. Hop on over and give it a looksee.
Welp, the end result of your feedback is on Tribble right now. Hop on over and give it a looksee.
Just to clarify.
My point is, and always will be, that TOS Connies are banned by CBS. There is nothing anyone can do here to change that; they must go through CBS first. (Which is why, when forum users decide to blindly post about how they want their TOS Connie ingame, it's ridiculous.)
However, this special condition is not the case when it comes to the STO Galaxy-class. Changes are possible. And while they may not come immediately, there have been examples from STO's past where ships were edited after release. See the Ar'kif Tactical Carrier Warbird Retrofit as a recent example - a hangar bay was added, amongst other changes, after the ship was first released to the public.
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And the Galaxy Reboot is on Tribble right now. Go check out the changes!
See the Ar'kif Tactical Carrier Warbird Retrofit as a recent example - a hangar bay was added, amongst other changes, after the ship was first released to the public.
Hangar Bay sounds like a great idea, btw.
Also, the Galaxy X got a pretty darn big change after it was initially released. It got an 8th weapon slot. It debuted with 7. Not sure how many people remember that.
And the Galaxy Reboot is on Tribble right now. Go check out the changes!
Hangar Bay sounds like a great idea, btw.
Also, the Galaxy X got a pretty darn big change after it was initially released. It got an 8th weapon slot. It debuted with 7. Not sure how many people remember that.
I find people have selective amnesia and only remember the bad things and ignore the good.
To answer the OP without joking, no I don't think that Cryptic is going to loose any revenue on this Galaxy pack.
When you look at the pack has a whole Cryptic did not have to do much to put it together and it mostly consists of ships that were all ready in-game and have already been bought to death in some cases.
The only ship in the pack that had any real work done to it was the Galaxy X but you have to keep in mind that the work being done to the X was started over 2 years ago, whoever was doing the work must have been getting paid by the hour
So all in all the pack is mostly a rehash of existing assets.
To the players that already own any of the ships contained in the pack it's more or less worthless to them; however, to anyone that does not own any of the ships in the pack it can be seen has quite the bargain.
If this pack does not sell at all what would Cryptic loose...... not much IMO.
I imagine any sales that Cryptic makes on this pack will be seen has found money and if they see any kind of return from it you can bet there'll been more Rehash packs like it down the road
They didn't even bother to give the Galaxy variants the hanger slot that the galaxy x is getting-so I wouldn't exactly call my opinion of the galaxy 'reboot' positive.
And the Galaxy Reboot is on Tribble right now. Go check out the changes!
I'm happy to report that Cryptic has now broken the Galaxy.
Saucer Separation does not create a tray icon on the Fleet Gal-R, and thus can't be activated.
*thunderous, sarcastic applause*
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Just got off Tribble, and while I didn't run any numbers or do any hard testing (I'll wait till Thursday. Not only will I then have the fleet version, I can't seem to find the character copy page anymore so I'm using an old copy of my character I'm short gear)
She handles well. It feels solid. The 2pc bonus is giving me just about as much resist as my old fleet RCS+resist all console was. I didn't run numbers, but the saucer pet shot an impressive looking amount of orange phaser goodness. The wide angle lance hits hard, but seems to suffer from the same accuracy issues as its single target version. Still, not bad for a free ability.
Fleet version will be getting a 4th tac console, according to the ship requisition guy.
I'm fully satisfied, myself. I think my Atrox just took the back seat, and my Gal-X will be my new ship of choice. Performance be damned, I love the Galaxy and this version will certainly be good enough.
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How recent and link maybe ? Becuase I don't remember geko ever saying no to updating the gal-r...
You managed to thinly veil a back-biting comment beneath an entirely semantic and false claim about the Avenger not being a type of cruiser when it categorically by Cryptic's own presentation of material.
*Golfclap*, your failure is so far past complete there is no coming back form it.
I am not sure if your question is rhetorical or serious.
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Twitter tweet made like the day of the announcement essentially said that no, they didn't have any plans to make layout changes to the Galaxy R. So it's apparently not on the schedule. Which means it isn't going live on the 6th.
That's just the most recent. In the past year or so, he's answered questions about the Galaxy on a couple of different podcasts and indicated that he wasn't scheduling any tweaks to its layout. So far he's been true to those statements.
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Alright, this is just plain wrong.
Geko did not say "no" to the T5 Connie. CBS did. And since CBS has not allowed Cryptic to proceed with a Constitution in T5 form, Cryptic has their hands tied, regardless of whether or not they support a T5 Connie. I again refer you to the thread in which you posted so frequently.
In the case of the Galaxy, it's a different story. You claim that Geko opposed the idea of an edited Galaxy. Where is your proof?
And yes, I did read that post back there where you claim CBS had, at one point, banned the "star" ships of the various Star Trek series. That decision was apparently reversed, since we have all of them ingame. Thus, it is possible for CBS to reverse their decision; but it's a decision on the CBS side, not the Cryptic/PWE side.
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Not according to Cryptics "die hard fans" whose journey in life seems invested in seeking out new posts and forum threads that question/criticize Cryptic in order to derail their topics like no one has managed before.
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I believe that tactic is called "strawman" or something along those lines.
Proof must be used in order to prove the legitimacy of an opinion, or to discredit anothers'.
Without legitimacy, an opinion is simply that; a personal opinion. It has no traction; and thus does not matter when seriously considering a change.
So while opinions are most certainly allowed (and especially humorous ones - gotta have a fun side!), they don't count.
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The Twitter feed that said just the other day they had no plans to alter the layout of the Galaxy R or its fleet version?
It's not on his schedule. And he's been pretty up front about not doing anything with that ship in a couple of different podcasts.
It's possible he might reverse his decision, but a year of the Beef thread, and he's held firm in the ship design priorities of his job. I'm just not seeing too much movement there.
It's kind of a dead horse.
That tweet was just from the new community manager just saying that there hadn't been a update to the boffs of galaxy. Which we already kinda knew from the dev post.
But hmmm those podcasts were quite awhile ago. They didn't seem like he said no it wouldn't ever happen. But it seem kinda wrong for the GAL-X to be more versatile then GAL-R.
For those who haven't found Snoggy's proof: Proof
Linking is a useful tool.
Geko did not say "no" to a reworked Gal-R. The new community manager did (His twitter handle is @PWECaptainSmirk). And, like many things in BranFlakes' past, the community manager can reverse a decision at the tip of a hat. And by no means is a reworked Galaxy banned by CBS, unlike the Connie. They are two different issues.
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Yes, Cryptic's die hard fans do engage in "strawman" tactics. Good of you to point that out.
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It's quite evident once you post often enough in that thread - I believe skollulfr accuses practically everyone for doing that.
(Not to say he's wrong for doing so - in fact, sometimes he's right on the money.)
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But where would Smirk have gotten that information from? I mean, of all the Cryptic Employees he would have to ask, which one would that be?
This is a trick question.
Either way, it's all on tribble right now.
Making it a dead horse.
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I was going to buy the Avenger, but this bundle changed my mind.
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Welp, the end result of your feedback is on Tribble right now. Hop on over and give it a looksee.
Just to clarify.
My point is, and always will be, that TOS Connies are banned by CBS. There is nothing anyone can do here to change that; they must go through CBS first. (Which is why, when forum users decide to blindly post about how they want their TOS Connie ingame, it's ridiculous.)
However, this special condition is not the case when it comes to the STO Galaxy-class. Changes are possible. And while they may not come immediately, there have been examples from STO's past where ships were edited after release. See the Ar'kif Tactical Carrier Warbird Retrofit as a recent example - a hangar bay was added, amongst other changes, after the ship was first released to the public.
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And the Galaxy Reboot is on Tribble right now. Go check out the changes!
Hangar Bay sounds like a great idea, btw.
Also, the Galaxy X got a pretty darn big change after it was initially released. It got an 8th weapon slot. It debuted with 7. Not sure how many people remember that.
I find people have selective amnesia and only remember the bad things and ignore the good.
Fleet x has 4 tac consoles but only LT tac boff. Still not worth it. Guess I'll be getting the avenger or andorian escort pack.
When you look at the pack has a whole Cryptic did not have to do much to put it together and it mostly consists of ships that were all ready in-game and have already been bought to death in some cases.
The only ship in the pack that had any real work done to it was the Galaxy X but you have to keep in mind that the work being done to the X was started over 2 years ago, whoever was doing the work must have been getting paid by the hour
So all in all the pack is mostly a rehash of existing assets.
To the players that already own any of the ships contained in the pack it's more or less worthless to them; however, to anyone that does not own any of the ships in the pack it can be seen has quite the bargain.
If this pack does not sell at all what would Cryptic loose...... not much IMO.
I imagine any sales that Cryptic makes on this pack will be seen has found money and if they see any kind of return from it you can bet there'll been more Rehash packs like it down the road
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If they ever get around to revisiting the Tellarite Frigate idea, then a repackaged "Founders Ships" Bundle gets one step closer to reality.
I'm happy to report that Cryptic has now broken the Galaxy.
Saucer Separation does not create a tray icon on the Fleet Gal-R, and thus can't be activated.
*thunderous, sarcastic applause*
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She handles well. It feels solid. The 2pc bonus is giving me just about as much resist as my old fleet RCS+resist all console was. I didn't run numbers, but the saucer pet shot an impressive looking amount of orange phaser goodness. The wide angle lance hits hard, but seems to suffer from the same accuracy issues as its single target version. Still, not bad for a free ability.
Fleet version will be getting a 4th tac console, according to the ship requisition guy.
I'm fully satisfied, myself. I think my Atrox just took the back seat, and my Gal-X will be my new ship of choice. Performance be damned, I love the Galaxy and this version will certainly be good enough.
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Did you mean this?
That is precisely what it is, in fact the animation looks like it may be recycled from the Doomsday Machine.
Seriously Cryptic?
Two years and this is their solution to facerolling the warp nacelle?
Dump-trucking the stardrive with that BEEP BEEP BEEP?
-_-
On the flipside it looks like it works.
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