Wrong. The enemy of my enemy might be a potential ally, but when enemy #1 is already known for certain from multiple encounters to be composed entirely of omnicidal maniacs who have never once claimed to be otherwise, I'd at least give serious thought to taking a look at whether joining up with enemy #2 might be more useful. Especially when your standing orders preclude going with enemy #1.
If we're going with cliches, in this case "the devil you know" is Satan himself.
Again, provide evidence that Janeway did not commit treason, regardless of whether Starfleet Internal Affairs even idly toyed with a vague notion of taking a cursory glance at some redshirt's half-remembered anecdote on the incident, or Shut. The. ****. Up. How much more clear do I have to be?
THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^
The Borg desire nothing less than the destruction or assimilation of everything that is not Borg. The Undine have the firepower to take out Borg cubes.
Allying with the Undine and/or running away is a smart move.
Wrong. The enemy of my enemy might be a potential ally, but when enemy #1 is already known for certain from multiple encounters to be composed entirely of omnicidal maniacs who have never once claimed to be otherwise, I'd at least give serious thought to taking a look at whether joining up with enemy #2 might be more useful. Especially when your standing orders preclude going with enemy #1.
If we're going with cliches, in this case "the devil you know" is Satan himself.
Again, provide evidence that Janeway did not commit treason, regardless of whether Starfleet Internal Affairs even idly toyed with a vague notion of taking a cursory glance at some redshirt's half-remembered anecdote on the incident, or Shut. The. ****. Up. How much more clear do I have to be?
Okay, I should have put friend in inverted commas, admittedly.
AAnd the saying 'better the devil you know' means it's better to side with the devil you know (the Borg) than the devil you don't (8472). Don't twist the saying to suit your purposes. Use the whole saying or not at all.
Also, Janeway did give serious thought to the matter, but chances were the Undine would have destroyed Voyager before they got away, and the Undine refused to communicate until the Terradome episode.
Hold the phone a minute. I'll call someone on this logic every time- no matter the viewpoint.
Burden of proof is always on the accuser. If your asking someone to provide evidence of a negative, you're doing something wrong.
Janeway personally murdered a crewman (Tuvix), allied with the ultimate evil against a lesser evil due to personal emotional bias and blatant stupidity, selectively read the Prime Directive (leaving one society to die without so much as an anonymous warning, and irrevocably interfering with scores of others), and got dozens of crew members killed.
And everyone here seems to ignore 8472's initiation of force against Voyager. They attacked the ship, they severely injured Harry Kim, and they responded to attempts at communication only conveying "Your galaxy will be purged."
It's not like Janeway just took sides willy-nilly. She was faced with one side that was willing to negotiate (the Borg) and one side that would not negotiate at all (8472). She did nothing wrong in negotiating with the less aggressive side.
Hold the phone a minute. I'll call someone on this logic every time- no matter the viewpoint.
Burden of proof is always on the accuser. If your asking someone to provide evidence of a negative, you're doing something wrong.
I and others already provided proof. I am now demanding that the defense, such as it is, present its case instead of hiding behind, "well, Starfleet must not have thought she did wrong", because I can point to a half-dozen instances or more that demonstrate Starfleet's military justice system is blatantly incompetent.
On the board where I learned to debate sci-fi, repeated failure to respond to repeated calls for evidence is a bannable offense. Oh, how I wish this thread was on StarDestroyer.net.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
And everyone here seems to ignore 8472's initiation of force against Voyager. They attacked the ship, they severely injured Harry Kim, and they responded to attempts at communication only conveying "Your galaxy will be purged."
It's not like Janeway just took sides willy-nilly. She was faced with one side that was willing to negotiate (the Borg) and one side that would not negotiate at all (8472). She did nothing wrong in negotiating with the less aggressive side.
The other thing in Janeways defense is: The Undine seemed kind of unstoppable. They declared the intention to pretty much attack everyone in the galaxy, and the Borg, as the strongest being beside Q known to that time not only good their a*hes kicked as much as they kicked the federations a** at Wolf 359, they were the ONLY thing between the undine and the Alpha Quadrant.
The Borg had been stopped and might be stopped again, but, it seemed, the only thing that could stop the Undine were the Borg.
So it seemed like the logical choice, even if it was unpleasant.
Janeway personally murdered a crewman (Tuvix), allied with the ultimate evil against a lesser evil due to personal emotional bias and blatant stupidity, selectively read the Prime Directive (leaving one society to die without so much as an anonymous warning, and irrevocably interfering with scores of others), and got dozens of crew members killed.
The prosecution rests.
Point 1: The death of crewman Tuvix was in order to save the lives of two others, including the ship's Chief of Security.
Point 2: The defendant was not aware of the Borg initiating hostilities and was unable to communicate with the Undine, who attacked Voyager first, without provocation.
Point 3: The Prime Directive explicitly forbids interfering with a pre-warp civilisation, no matter the situation. Picard was called to the carpet for this more than once.
Point 4: Deaths in battle are outside her control. Every Starfleet Officer accepts the risks of battle when they put on the uniform.
And others didn't and stayed at their desk to hand down orders to junior officers. Again, your point is moot.
The majority of Admirals from the TNG era, were shown as active field officers. Admiral Jameson took a field assignment despite being on the verge of death because his personal honour made no other behaviour acceptable... The guy was in a hover chair, but he still stepped up to the plate :eek: The canon shows that Janeway became a desk jockey after Voyager's return, against canon depiction of the majority of other admirals of the era... That is not a moot point, it is an inescapable fact...
And everyone here seems to ignore 8472's initiation of force against Voyager. They attacked the ship, they severely injured Harry Kim, and they responded to attempts at communication only conveying "Your galaxy will be purged."
It's not like Janeway just took sides willy-nilly. She was faced with one side that was willing to negotiate (the Borg) and one side that would not negotiate at all (8472). She did nothing wrong in negotiating with the less aggressive side.
Let's consider for a minute the fact that the Undine were new to the galaxy, have a very nonhumanoid body plan, and have only recently encountered humanoids, in the form of the Borg, who attacked the Undine with lethal intent.
You can forgive the Undine for seeing the galaxy as a hell-hole infested with vicious monsters. And, given their very nonhuman anatomy, you can forgive them for mistaking humans for Borg and suspecting Voyager to be a Borg trick.
And what Janeway should've done, is run like hell. Don't stop. Don't fight either side. Just run, run, run. Maximum warp, full power to engines, just get the hell out of there.
And everyone here seems to ignore 8472's initiation of force against Voyager. They attacked the ship, they severely injured Harry Kim, and they responded to attempts at communication only conveying "Your galaxy will be purged."
It's not like Janeway just took sides willy-nilly. She was faced with one side that was willing to negotiate (the Borg) and one side that would not negotiate at all (8472). She did nothing wrong in negotiating with the less aggressive side.
...selectively read the Prime Directive (leaving one society to die without so much as an anonymous warning, and irrevocably interfering with scores of others)
Acquitted.
While I'm sure there are cases where she violated the prime directive, you've cited no examples of them. 'Selective enforcement' is not the violation, only specific exampled of defying the prime directive would be a violation.
That having been said, examples can be cited for every legendary Starfleet captain defying the prime directive. Part of a Captain's job is to make those tough decisions and be accountable for the consequences of such. She should be held to the same accountability that Kirk, Picard, and Sisko were in similar situations.
Every Starfleet captain makes decisions that place crew in danger. Ordering subordinates to situations that may result in their death is a sad part in the job of every commanding officer.
Let's consider for a minute the fact that the Undine were new to the galaxy, have a very nonhumanoid body plan, and have only recently encountered humanoids, in the form of the Borg, who attacked the Undine with lethal intent.
You can forgive the Undine for seeing the galaxy as a hell-hole infested with vicious monsters. And, given their very nonhuman anatomy, you can forgive them for mistaking humans for Borg and suspecting Voyager to be a Borg trick.
And what Janeway should've done, is run like hell. Don't stop. Don't fight either side. Just run, run, run. Maximum warp, full power to engines, just get the hell out of there.
Again, she probably still wouldn't have made it. And, even if she did, that would have left 8472 to exterminate every humanoid being in the Delta Quadrant and, later, the Alpha and Beta Quadrants.
So, you'd rather she'd let the Undine wipe everyone out compared to actually trying to STOP them?
And everyone here seems to ignore 8472's initiation of force against Voyager. They attacked the ship, they severely injured Harry Kim, and they responded to attempts at communication only conveying "Your galaxy will be purged."
It's not like Janeway just took sides willy-nilly. She was faced with one side that was willing to negotiate (the Borg) and one side that would not negotiate at all (8472). She did nothing wrong in negotiating with the less aggressive side.
Actually, I observed up thread, that Harry suffered from (an admittedly extreme) allergic/biochemical reaction to the stray cells from the wound inflicted by a wounded, cornered individual, the Doctor never said that he had been injected or deliberately infected, simply that 8472 cells began re-writing his DNA, much like assimilation.
Point 1: The death of crewman Tuvix was in order to save the lives of two others, including the ship's Chief of Security.
I'm frankly having trouble wrapping my brain around the ethical implications of the situation so I'll let that one go.
Point 2: The defendant was not aware of the Borg initiating hostilities and was unable to communicate with the Undine, who attacked Voyager first, without provocation.
Counterpoint: Anyone with a functioning neuron could have guessed that the Borg initiated hostilities, because they're the frakking Borg, and nobody on Voyager even attempted to communicate with the Undine.
Point 3: The Prime Directive explicitly forbids interfering with a pre-warp civilisation, no matter the situation. Picard was called to the carpet for this more than once.
So why wasn't Janeway? And then, after flagrantly violating it multiple times, she went and busted her conn officer down two grades for doing the exact same thing.
Point 4: Deaths in battle are outside her control. Every Starfleet Officer accepts the risks of battle when they put on the uniform.
Accepted.
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— Sabaton, "Great War"
Janeway did murder Tuvix. There's just no denying that. She should be held to that charge.
Acquitted.
Your definition of 'ultimate evil' and 'lesser evil' are quite subjective, and do not fully reflect the facts of the situation.
Acquitted.
While I'm sure there are cases where she violated the prime directive, you've cited no examples of them. 'Selective enforcement' is not the violation, only specific exampled of defying the prime directive would be a violation.
That having been said, examples can be cited for every legendary Starfleet captain defying the prime directive. Part of a Captain's job is to make those tough decisions and be accountable for the consequences of such. She should be held to the same accountability that Kirk, Picard, and Sisko were in similar situations.
Acquitted.
Every Starfleet captain makes decisions that place crew in danger. Ordering subordinates to situations that may result in their death is a sad part in the job of every commanding officer.
And Judge Deet has ruled Janeway be found guilty on one count of Murder, but innocent on charges of Treason.
The defence requests an appeal to the first charge on grounds of extenuating circumstances. Tuvix died to save the lives of two other crewmen, including a senior officer. It is also the duty of a captain to make these tough calls for the good of the crew.
Aside from that, I'm satisfied for the court's conclusions.
Point 1: The death of crewman Tuvix was in order to save the lives of two others, including the ship's Chief of Security.
Point 2: The defendant was not aware of the Borg initiating hostilities and was unable to communicate with the Undine, who attacked Voyager first, without provocation.
Point 3: The Prime Directive explicitly forbids interfering with a pre-warp civilisation, no matter the situation. Picard was called to the carpet for this more than once.
Point 4: Deaths in battle are outside her control. Every Starfleet Officer accepts the risks of battle when they put on the uniform.
The defence rests.
But Tuvok and Neelix were already technically deceased. And that does not diminish the fact that Tuvix was unwilling to die, and was killed anyway.
The defendant violated standing orders to aid a declared enemy of the Federation in the attempted genocide of a species. She also had ample reason and prior circumstance to suspect that the Borg initiated hostilities, and fell victim to anthropomorphic bias when she failed to recognize the extreme likelihood that the Undine were incapable of distinguishing between Borg and non-Borg humanoids.
The defendant violated the Prime Directive on numerous other occasions, and in any event the Prime Directive has been violated before to save civilizations from sudden extinction (CF the Captain Kirk incident with the asteroid generation ship).
Captain Janeway was guilty of gross negligence and incompetence when she repeatedly engaged in hostilities with superior species instead of retreating.
Again, she probably still wouldn't have made it. And, even if she did, that would have left 8472 to exterminate every humanoid being in the Delta Quadrant and, later, the Alpha and Beta Quadrants.
So, you'd rather she'd let the Undine wipe everyone out compared to actually trying to STOP them?
Run like hell while trying to explain the Undine's error to them. And broadcast warnings ahead of you on all subspace frequencies, warn planets as you pass, and TRIBBLE the Prime Directive.
Nothing excuses allying with the Borg. Janeway only looked good in Scorpion due to plot necessity.
In fact, the entirety of Scorpion is poorly-written. It's a really shoddily-written introduction for the new character and the new antagonists.
The defence requests an appeal to the first charge on grounds of extenuating circumstances. Tuvix died to save the lives of two other crewmen, including a senior officer. It is also the duty of a captain to make these tough calls for the good of the crew.
Aside from that, I'm satisfied for the court's conclusions.
H'mmm...
The prosecution is willing to drop the charges of Prime Directive violations due to precedent (Kirk, Picard, et cetera). The prosecution would, however, like to note that Tuvix was not willing to die.
The best defense of the Tuvix situation would be to say that Tuvix, in assuming Tuvok's role as a commissioned officer, could be ordered as a member of Starfleet to undergo the procedure for the good of the crew.
But citing the ruling in the case of Data vs. Maddox (Measure of a Man), a crew member has the right to resign their commission if asked to undergo a medical procedure that could endanger their life.
The prosecution is willing to drop the charges of Prime Directive violations due to precedent (Kirk, Picard, et cetera). The prosecution would, however, like to note that Tuvix was not willing to die.
(out-of-universe, that was one awful episode)
It must be noted that Admiral Kirk was demoted for his actions...
Counterpoint: Anyone with a functioning neuron could have guessed that the Borg initiated hostilities, because they're the frakking Borg, and nobody on Voyager even attempted to communicate with the Undine.
Exactly. The prosecution accuses Captain Janeway of gross incompetence and negligent stupidity, as well as allowing her emotional anthropomorphic bias to make her decisions.
So why wasn't Janeway? And then, after flagrantly violating it multiple times, she went and busted her conn officer down two grades for doing the exact same thing.
The prosecution would also like to add the charge of Conduct Unbecoming in an Officer (gross personal hypocrisy) to the charges.
But Tuvok and Neelix were already technically deceased. And that does not diminish the fact that Tuvix was unwilling to die, and was killed anyway.
The defendant violated standing orders to aid a declared enemy of the Federation in the attempted genocide of a species. She also had ample reason and prior circumstance to suspect that the Borg initiated hostilities, and fell victim to anthropomorphic bias when she failed to recognize the extreme likelihood that the Undine were incapable of distinguishing between Borg and non-Borg humanoids.
The defendant violated the Prime Directive on numerous other occasions, and in any event the Prime Directive has been violated before to save civilizations from sudden extinction (CF the Captain Kirk incident with the asteroid generation ship).
Captain Janeway was guilty of gross negligence and incompetence when she repeatedly engaged in hostilities with superior species instead of retreating.
The prosecution rests.
Point 1: Moral grey area, so it is difficult to say with certainty.
Point 2: If every soldier followed orders without THINKING we'd have a lot more war crimes tribunals to deal with. I have already stated why her actions were justified, so I'd appreciate you rebutting it with why it wasn't instead of repeating yourself.
Point 3: If she violated the directive then, you'd be making a case that she was guilty of violating it and that she SHOULDN'T have helped them!
Point 4: Most of those instances were either to recover stolen technology (which she's required to do under General Order No 1), abducted crew members, or because she had no other option. And, again, every starfleet officer accepts those risks.
And Year of Hell doesn't count, because it was an aborted timeline.
Run like hell while trying to explain the Undine's error to them. And broadcast warnings ahead of you on all subspace frequencies, warn planets as you pass, and TRIBBLE the Prime Directive.
Nothing excuses allying with the Borg. Janeway only looked good in Scorpion due to plot necessity.
In fact, the entirety of Scorpion is poorly-written. It's a really shoddily-written introduction for the new character and the new antagonists.
That's a closed-minded attitude. You're saying she should let the Iconians blow up the universe before allying with the Borg to stop them, hypothetically?
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THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^
The Borg desire nothing less than the destruction or assimilation of everything that is not Borg. The Undine have the firepower to take out Borg cubes.
Allying with the Undine and/or running away is a smart move.
Hold the phone a minute. I'll call someone on this logic every time- no matter the viewpoint.
Burden of proof is always on the accuser. If your asking someone to provide evidence of a negative, you're doing something wrong.
Okay, I should have put friend in inverted commas, admittedly.
AAnd the saying 'better the devil you know' means it's better to side with the devil you know (the Borg) than the devil you don't (8472). Don't twist the saying to suit your purposes. Use the whole saying or not at all.
Also, Janeway did give serious thought to the matter, but chances were the Undine would have destroyed Voyager before they got away, and the Undine refused to communicate until the Terradome episode.
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Janeway personally murdered a crewman (Tuvix), allied with the ultimate evil against a lesser evil due to personal emotional bias and blatant stupidity, selectively read the Prime Directive (leaving one society to die without so much as an anonymous warning, and irrevocably interfering with scores of others), and got dozens of crew members killed.
The prosecution rests.
If the allies had lost the war, we'd be worshiping Adolf Hitler as the saviour of civilisation.
A necessary evil is still EVIL.
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It's not like Janeway just took sides willy-nilly. She was faced with one side that was willing to negotiate (the Borg) and one side that would not negotiate at all (8472). She did nothing wrong in negotiating with the less aggressive side.
I and others already provided proof. I am now demanding that the defense, such as it is, present its case instead of hiding behind, "well, Starfleet must not have thought she did wrong", because I can point to a half-dozen instances or more that demonstrate Starfleet's military justice system is blatantly incompetent.
On the board where I learned to debate sci-fi, repeated failure to respond to repeated calls for evidence is a bannable offense. Oh, how I wish this thread was on StarDestroyer.net.
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The other thing in Janeways defense is: The Undine seemed kind of unstoppable. They declared the intention to pretty much attack everyone in the galaxy, and the Borg, as the strongest being beside Q known to that time not only good their a*hes kicked as much as they kicked the federations a** at Wolf 359, they were the ONLY thing between the undine and the Alpha Quadrant.
The Borg had been stopped and might be stopped again, but, it seemed, the only thing that could stop the Undine were the Borg.
So it seemed like the logical choice, even if it was unpleasant.
Point 1: The death of crewman Tuvix was in order to save the lives of two others, including the ship's Chief of Security.
Point 2: The defendant was not aware of the Borg initiating hostilities and was unable to communicate with the Undine, who attacked Voyager first, without provocation.
Point 3: The Prime Directive explicitly forbids interfering with a pre-warp civilisation, no matter the situation. Picard was called to the carpet for this more than once.
Point 4: Deaths in battle are outside her control. Every Starfleet Officer accepts the risks of battle when they put on the uniform.
The defence rests.
Trials of Blood and Fire
Moving On Parts 1-3 - Part 4
In Cold Blood
The majority of Admirals from the TNG era, were shown as active field officers. Admiral Jameson took a field assignment despite being on the verge of death because his personal honour made no other behaviour acceptable... The guy was in a hover chair, but he still stepped up to the plate :eek: The canon shows that Janeway became a desk jockey after Voyager's return, against canon depiction of the majority of other admirals of the era... That is not a moot point, it is an inescapable fact...
Let's consider for a minute the fact that the Undine were new to the galaxy, have a very nonhumanoid body plan, and have only recently encountered humanoids, in the form of the Borg, who attacked the Undine with lethal intent.
You can forgive the Undine for seeing the galaxy as a hell-hole infested with vicious monsters. And, given their very nonhuman anatomy, you can forgive them for mistaking humans for Borg and suspecting Voyager to be a Borg trick.
And what Janeway should've done, is run like hell. Don't stop. Don't fight either side. Just run, run, run. Maximum warp, full power to engines, just get the hell out of there.
And that is the point I have been trying to make.
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Guilty.
Janeway did murder Tuvix. There's just no denying that. She should be held to that charge.
Acquitted.
Your definition of 'ultimate evil' and 'lesser evil' are quite subjective, and do not fully reflect the facts of the situation.
Acquitted.
While I'm sure there are cases where she violated the prime directive, you've cited no examples of them. 'Selective enforcement' is not the violation, only specific exampled of defying the prime directive would be a violation.
That having been said, examples can be cited for every legendary Starfleet captain defying the prime directive. Part of a Captain's job is to make those tough decisions and be accountable for the consequences of such. She should be held to the same accountability that Kirk, Picard, and Sisko were in similar situations.
Acquitted.
Every Starfleet captain makes decisions that place crew in danger. Ordering subordinates to situations that may result in their death is a sad part in the job of every commanding officer.
And Judge Deet has ruled Janeway be found guilty on one count of Murder, but innocent on charges of Treason.
Again, she probably still wouldn't have made it. And, even if she did, that would have left 8472 to exterminate every humanoid being in the Delta Quadrant and, later, the Alpha and Beta Quadrants.
So, you'd rather she'd let the Undine wipe everyone out compared to actually trying to STOP them?
Trials of Blood and Fire
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In Cold Blood
Actually, I observed up thread, that Harry suffered from (an admittedly extreme) allergic/biochemical reaction to the stray cells from the wound inflicted by a wounded, cornered individual, the Doctor never said that he had been injected or deliberately infected, simply that 8472 cells began re-writing his DNA, much like assimilation.
Counterpoint: Anyone with a functioning neuron could have guessed that the Borg initiated hostilities, because they're the frakking Borg, and nobody on Voyager even attempted to communicate with the Undine.
So why wasn't Janeway? And then, after flagrantly violating it multiple times, she went and busted her conn officer down two grades for doing the exact same thing.
Accepted.
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The defence requests an appeal to the first charge on grounds of extenuating circumstances. Tuvix died to save the lives of two other crewmen, including a senior officer. It is also the duty of a captain to make these tough calls for the good of the crew.
Aside from that, I'm satisfied for the court's conclusions.
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In Cold Blood
But Tuvok and Neelix were already technically deceased. And that does not diminish the fact that Tuvix was unwilling to die, and was killed anyway.
The defendant violated standing orders to aid a declared enemy of the Federation in the attempted genocide of a species. She also had ample reason and prior circumstance to suspect that the Borg initiated hostilities, and fell victim to anthropomorphic bias when she failed to recognize the extreme likelihood that the Undine were incapable of distinguishing between Borg and non-Borg humanoids.
The defendant violated the Prime Directive on numerous other occasions, and in any event the Prime Directive has been violated before to save civilizations from sudden extinction (CF the Captain Kirk incident with the asteroid generation ship).
Captain Janeway was guilty of gross negligence and incompetence when she repeatedly engaged in hostilities with superior species instead of retreating.
The prosecution rests.
Run like hell while trying to explain the Undine's error to them. And broadcast warnings ahead of you on all subspace frequencies, warn planets as you pass, and TRIBBLE the Prime Directive.
Nothing excuses allying with the Borg. Janeway only looked good in Scorpion due to plot necessity.
In fact, the entirety of Scorpion is poorly-written. It's a really shoddily-written introduction for the new character and the new antagonists.
H'mmm...
The prosecution is willing to drop the charges of Prime Directive violations due to precedent (Kirk, Picard, et cetera). The prosecution would, however, like to note that Tuvix was not willing to die.
(out-of-universe, that was one awful episode)
But citing the ruling in the case of Data vs. Maddox (Measure of a Man), a crew member has the right to resign their commission if asked to undergo a medical procedure that could endanger their life.
It must be noted that Admiral Kirk was demoted for his actions...
Exactly. The prosecution accuses Captain Janeway of gross incompetence and negligent stupidity, as well as allowing her emotional anthropomorphic bias to make her decisions.
The prosecution would also like to add the charge of Conduct Unbecoming in an Officer (gross personal hypocrisy) to the charges.
Point 1: Moral grey area, so it is difficult to say with certainty.
Point 2: If every soldier followed orders without THINKING we'd have a lot more war crimes tribunals to deal with. I have already stated why her actions were justified, so I'd appreciate you rebutting it with why it wasn't instead of repeating yourself.
Point 3: If she violated the directive then, you'd be making a case that she was guilty of violating it and that she SHOULDN'T have helped them!
Point 4: Most of those instances were either to recover stolen technology (which she's required to do under General Order No 1), abducted crew members, or because she had no other option. And, again, every starfleet officer accepts those risks.
And Year of Hell doesn't count, because it was an aborted timeline.
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I would be willing to see the now-Admiral Janeway demoted back to Captain, and given command of the U.S.S. Voyager again.
That's a closed-minded attitude. You're saying she should let the Iconians blow up the universe before allying with the Borg to stop them, hypothetically?
Trials of Blood and Fire
Moving On Parts 1-3 - Part 4
In Cold Blood