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So.....where's this choice of minigames for the Qmendations?

rtk142rtk142 Member Posts: 613 Arc User
Seriously, it was said there'd be a couple different things for the daily grind we could do to get the Qmendations, and all I'm seeing is party patrol. The shell game and chasing the various things down don't really count as a choice in my book, seeing as they're random. This is what we've been complaining about since it was revealed there'd be a grind, and we were assured there'd be multiple things...and yet, there's only the one.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    You've misunderstood...

    Partypatrol IS the only thing to do... it's merely the outcome of whatever you do, that shifts between the hunt and the box...

    Those ARE the different thing they spoke about.
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  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    rtk142 wrote: »
    The shell game and chasing the various things down don't really count as a choice in my book, seeing as they're random.

    But your opinion doesn't matter, only Cryptic's- and "chase the runner" vs "Q shell game" are indeed the two choices they've graciously...er..."given" us.

    The biggest rampaging pseudo-debate now comes from people complaining that other people (like me) simply ignore the shell game and keep activating "Party Crashers" until we get a runner to chase since one can chase down 3 or 4 runners in the time it takes one !*$%&^%( shell game's boxes to shuffle themselves.

    I do this unashamedly, and will say again what I've said before: Until the Devs send down word that this is considered griefing, I'll continue to exercise my choice between the "two minigames" in that way. They made the stinkin' mess, they can fix it, end of discussion so far as I'm concerned.

    To everyone annoyed or offended by this behavior: Tell it to the devs and encourage them to fix the problem they created, or in other words "Tell somebody who gives a [REDACTED]. I don't, I'm busy trying to make lemonade out of this Tuffli-load of lemons the devs dumped on me."
  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    But your opinion doesn't matter, only Cryptic's- and "chase the runner" vs "Q shell game" are indeed the two choices they've graciously...er..."given" us.

    The biggest rampaging pseudo-debate now comes from people complaining that other people (like me) simply ignore the shell game and keep activating "Party Crashers" until we get a runner to chase since one can chase down 3 or 4 runners in the time it takes one !*$%&^%( shell game's boxes to shuffle themselves.

    I do this unashamedly, and will say again what I've said before: Until the Devs send down word that this is considered griefing, I'll continue to exercise my choice between the "two minigames" in that way. They made the stinkin' mess, they can fix it, end of discussion so far as I'm concerned.

    To everyone annoyed or offended by this behavior: Tell it to the devs and encourage them to fix the problem they created, or in other words "Tell somebody who gives a [REDACTED]. I don't, I'm busy trying to make lemonade out of this Tuffli-load of lemons the devs dumped on me."

    As much as I dislike the behavior, I cannot find any fault with your logic. Well said.
    The issue I have with the shell game (though I play it when it comes around for me) is the hundreds of other people in there make the zone laggy which breaks the game sometimes. I have had 2 presents stuck on top of each other, pick one, and other lag induced bugs from it. I do not normally lag but when they force tons of ppl into an area + npc actions and all, it does.
  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    The biggest rampaging pseudo-debate now comes from people complaining that other people (like me) simply ignore the shell game and keep activating "Party Crashers" until we get a runner to chase since one can chase down 3 or 4 runners in the time it takes one !*$%&^%( shell game's boxes to shuffle themselves.

    Nah not really true .... fastest way is activate 5 of these Shuffle Boxes at once .... Hit "B" and "guess" ;) where the Q's are .... thus I'm actually doing it myself, but with purpose ...
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    To everyone annoyed or offended by this behavior: Tell it to the devs and encourage them to fix the problem they created, or in other words "Tell somebody who gives a [REDACTED]. I don't, I'm busy trying to make lemonade out of this Tuffli-load of lemons the devs dumped on me."

    So because you don't want to put up with a bad piece of content you make the situation worse for everyone else concerned? This is like taking the lifeboat and filling it with all your luggage and whatever else you could loot from the ship (to the tears of the children left on deck) because it isn't your fault that it's sinking.

    Cryptic, to put it frankly, screwed up in making this event. But that is by no means a free license to jerk the rest of the population around. Even without Cryptic's word, you should know better.
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  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    It honestly doesn't matter if someone is spamming the boxes to find a runner. Whether or not a box will run or shuffle is determined in advance, and it does not matter who reveals that the box was undesirable. Besides, the only thing that makes the shuffle game tolerable is the fact that you CAN multitask them, activating about 4 or 5 of them in a tight cluster where you can observe all of them. What's more annoying is the people who cut you off, invalidating the entire cluster and forcing you to start over.

    Honestly, the entire thing would be far more tolerable if it were made into groupable content, so you could team up with other players to do the quest, rather than having a multiplayer game where the existence of everyone else is purely a hindrance and rage-inducing.

    Because let's face it: Right now, the only thing that other people do for you is increase your lag and load times, and generally get in your way. All of these are purely negative contributions to the game experience. You'd think the game would be designed to at least make other people a positive element.
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  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    So because you don't want to put up with a bad piece of content you make the situation worse for everyone else concerned?

    The fanboys see it that way, yes. I consider it "encouraging the fanboys to prompt the developers to improve things."

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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    The fanboys see it that way, yes. I consider it "encouraging the fanboys to prompt the developers to improve things."

    Toe-may-toe, tuh-mah-toe.

    Bull****, it's just griefing. Games all over have bad pieces of content but at no point throughout that continuum of TRIBBLE is there ANY justification for TRIBBLE over other players.

    After all they're already frustrated by the situation. In this case there were a number of several hundred page threads complaining about the grind even before the 4th anniversary hit and a single present wash shuffled. The pressure on Cryptic has already been exerted and what we're left with now is the resolution to that argument. What you're doing is in no way constructive. It's simply antagonism, at best diverting attention away from this mess and onto the bad way you've chosen to handle it.
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  • kantazo1kantazo1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    My only beef is with people who open the boxes and leave them there and move to another and another, I think Cryptic should make it that if you interact with one miniQ you cannot activate another, that would be the fair thing to do.
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  • gosabresgosabres Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    The fanboys see it that way, yes. I consider it "encouraging the fanboys to prompt the developers to improve things."

    Toe-may-toe, tuh-mah-toe.

    Typical Generation Entitlement attitude, refusing to take accountability for their own actions. Always the fault of someone else for their own poor behavior. Ready made excuse to blame someone or something.
  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Bull****, it's just griefing.

    In your little world, maybe it is.

    Until the Devs weigh in agreeing, though, it's not out here where the rest of us live. Sorry. Ask'em to throw you a bone? :o
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    You can also fork over the cash to open some lockboxes and use the Lobi to buy Qmendations.

    And which "minigame" for getting the ships without paying is that? :rolleyes:
  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    kantazo1 wrote: »
    My only beef is with people who open the boxes and leave them there and move to another and another, I think Cryptic should make it that if you interact with one miniQ you cannot activate another, that would be the fair thing to do.

    Or simply remove the present game. Even without the kids acting up, the event itself is still pretty badly structured. On the one hand you have an interminable shell game and on the other you have a quick and painless chase. With the choice between the two coming down to chance the effect (in terms of burning out of the grind or no) becomes an awful lot like Russian Roulette. Best just to unload the event and keep things festive (and in future ensure that mini-game alternatives are balanced against each other.)
    In your little world, maybe it is.

    Until the Devs weigh in agreeing, though, it's not out here where the rest of us live.

    You should be able to act like a reasonable adult in public without one telling you to. :rolleyes:
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  • anothervisitoranothervisitor Member Posts: 414 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    The grindiversary will continue next year, because PWE said so. They will 'fix' the event but you won't escape the boxes. :D
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  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    You should be able to act like a reasonable adult without one telling you to. :rolleyes:

    Tell it to the Devs, I'm sure they'll move heaven and earth fixing the problem.

    ...like they did with today's patch. Oh wait... Apparently they seem to think this is about as problematic as Party Poppers and Subspace Party Amplifiers. But I'm sure they'll get right on it with the next patch.
  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    gosabres wrote: »
    Typical Generation Entitlement attitude, refusing to take accountability for their own actions. Always the fault of someone else for their own poor behavior. Ready made excuse to blame someone or something.

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  • breadandcircusesbreadandcircuses Member Posts: 2,355 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    The grindiversary will continue next year, because PWE said so.

    Probably. I avoided the whole thing this year. Partly that comes from having more to do out of the game, but the change in structure for the Anniversary event left me sort of "meh" about doing the whole thing. While the upcoming 3-pack or -packs will require the Anniversary ship to get a full set bonus, that just means I won't bother with those either.

    I'm actually just fine with my solution of not giving a [REDACTED] about this year's event, I highly recommend it :P
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  • gosabresgosabres Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Probably. I avoided the whole thing this year. Partly that comes from having more to do out of the game, but the change in structure for the Anniversary event left me sort of "meh" about doing the whole thing. While the upcoming 3-pack or -packs will require the Anniversary ship to get a full set bonus, that just means I won't bother with those either.

    I'm actually just fine with my solution of not giving a [REDACTED] about this year's event, I highly recommend it :P

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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    valoreah wrote: »
    You said there's only 2 methods. There are 3.

    If I understand things correctly they are...

    1. Grind
    2. Lobi
    3. Barbarian sack of Cryptic HQ.
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  • wylonuswylonus Member Posts: 471 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    i just want to replay "Steps between stars" for other reward choices. it is bummer to find out it is one shot "one-run" episode event with Tuvok saga.

    oh yeah, mix present game is tricker for klingons, cant tell which a mini Q hide, and my other and my main, fed and rom were lot easy to spot mini Q, must be some bug when the presents often merged too close for klingon mini game, only choice to score was the chase.
    i have seen lot of "Grief-play" at starfleet academy, by tagging mini Q and run off to tag next mini Q before other players need party updates. i even see chases were not either played, but abandoned too, just all griefing.

    that kinda upset me as i want few updates to complete.
  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    valoreah wrote: »
    You said there's only 2 methods. There are 3.

    In English, there's a concept referred to as "context."

    In the context of a thread about "this choice of minigames," non-minigame methods of obtaining the goodies aren't counted. If the thread were about "choice of ways to get the ships," things might be different but they're not- this thread is about minigames.

    See how that works?
  • somebobsomebob Member Posts: 556 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    wylonus wrote: »
    i just want to replay "Steps between stars" for other reward choices. it is bummer to find out it is one shot "one-run" episode event with Tuvok saga.

    Uh, no, no it's not. You can rerun it like most any other mission and get the other loot.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    wylonus wrote: »
    i just want to replay "Steps between stars" for other reward choices. it is bummer to find out it is one shot "one-run" episode event with Tuvok saga.
    The next part of the FE will be out in April; and there are several reason to re-run the current FE: 3-piece Sets, different EV Suits, etc.
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    somebob wrote: »
    Uh, no, no it's not. You can rerun it like most any other mission and get the other loot.

    But rerunning that mission is independent of the qmendation scheme. There's loot, sure, and that may directly tie into the dyson ship but those additional playthroughs don't get you any closer to the big prize. That would have been a nice thing to see.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    But rerunning that mission is independent of the qmendation scheme. There's loot, sure, and that may directly tie into the dyson ship but those additional playthroughs don't get you any closer to the big prize.
    Are you assuming an RA-level ship that will be outdated by a C-Store version as soon as the Event ends is the "big prize?" :)

    The 3-piece set is a nice set - even without the 4th piece - and the Lobi EV Suit is fairly cool too.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • comtedeloach2comtedeloach2 Member Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    The present game isnt that hard, just watch where the little q goes, its hard to believe some find that so extrordinarily bad that they just run off and leave the packages.
  • twg042370twg042370 Member Posts: 2,312 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    The biggest rampaging pseudo-debate now comes from people complaining that other people (like me) simply ignore the shell game and keep activating "Party Crashers" until we get a runner to chase since one can chase down 3 or 4 runners in the time it takes one !*$%&^%( shell game's boxes to shuffle themselves.

    Do as you wish. Just stay the hell out of my way when I'm heading for a Party Crasher
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  • anothervisitoranothervisitor Member Posts: 414 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    ... - and the Lobi EV Suit is fairly cool too.

    Agreed. If you look at the stats it is tailor made to fight Tholians (fire and radiation resistance, hold and knockback resistance). And you only need EV suits to fight those.
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  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Are you assuming an RA-level ship that will be outdated by a C-Store version as soon as the Event ends is the "big prize?" :)



    Yeah...no.

    It was touted as the big prize, after all this is the ship so wonderful they cant just give it away.

    However, whats really happening is we're just being given the opportunity to beta test the technology prior to the cstore release.
    The 3-piece set is a nice set - even without the 4th piece -

    It's a space set free for running the FE three times, not that much different to the Breen or the Jennie set in that regard.

    Can't argue that it isn't a very decent set for a science set up.

    But the space set's only connection to the execrable minigame is the fourth piece.

    It's a nice enough warp core, but I do wonder what possible use is a 2 LY jump in sector space?


    and the Lobi EV Suit is fairly cool too.

    You're paying lobi for it, the hardest currency to get in the game. It damn well better be fairly cool.
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