You're paying lobi for it, the hardest currency to get in the game. It damn well better be fairly cool.
Here's the work around.
When there's a promotion giving away lobi (see the FE rerun) take it and hold onto that currency with all your life until something like this comes out. That's how I got my black ev suit, severe budgeting.
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Do as you wish. Just stay the hell out of my way when I'm heading for a Party Crasher
Complete non-issue.
While "certain people" will refuse to believe it, in fact I flatly refuse to fight over a Crasher. If I see anyone coming at one while I'm approaching it, I'll not even slow down and just go for the next one.
It was touted as the big prize, after all this is the ship so wonderful they cant just give it away.
Yup. It was presented to us as the ship being so freakin' fantastic compared to previous Anniversary ships that they had to make us "work a little more" for it.
If it's really not all that, then that's just more Cryptic doubletalk to cover the addition of STO's future.
My only beef is with people who open the boxes and leave them there and move to another and another, I think Cryptic should make it that if you interact with one miniQ you cannot activate another, that would be the fair thing to do.
Im not doing the box thing. So if it is that I will just go to the next I can do 5 of the chase down in the same time it take to do the TRIBBLE box game.
When there's a promotion giving away lobi (see the FE rerun) take it and hold onto that currency with all your life until something like this comes out. That's how I got my black ev suit, budgeting.
Yeah, with the sudden rise in the number of ways you can spend lobi, it crossed my mind that the event you refer to may have put too much lobi into the economy for Cryptics liking.
Flush with lobi? Why buy a key to open a box.......
It was touted as the big prize, after all this is the ship so wonderful they cant just give it away.
However, whats really happening is we're just being given the opportunity to beta test the technology prior to the cstore release.
The point is that it is not a big prize. It is a standard RA-level ship. It is not a great Science ship and it is not a great Escort - it is just in the middle. It is not really worth the effort of getting unless you are a Romulan - as they do not really have a Science Vessel. But even then you are better off getting an upcoming C-Store version for 2,500 Zen - it takes me about 2 weeks to grind enough Dilithium to earn 2,500 Zen, which is roughly the same amount of time it would take me to grind the RA ship.
You're paying lobi for it, the hardest currency to get in the game. It damn well better be fairly cool.
I do not know if the EV Suit is bind-on-pickup, so it is quite possible some will make it to the Exchange in time.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Im not doing the box thing. So if it is that I will just go to the next I can do 5 of the chase down in the same time it take to do the TRIBBLE box game.
Watch out, the Fairness Police will come down on you like a ton of bricks for that attitude.
...but you can always just let yourself be amused by their indignant tirades about how you're "having fun wrong" like I do.
Yeah, with the sudden rise in the number of ways you can spend lobi, it crossed my mind that the event you refer to may have put too much lobi into the economy for Cryptics liking.
Flush with lobi? Why buy a key to open a box.......
Indeed, which is why you need to think about long term consequences during an event. Lots of lobi now, crackdown later, but along with that probably some cool content to drive people further into lock boxes. Hence my black suit now, and I'll be doing the same with this one (stocking up on Qmendation marks once I'm done with the main grind on a couple of characters. The system will continue on at some point and next time around they'll probably force us through a full 1000 mark grind.)
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However, it is true that when this awful grindaversary was announced, Cryptics big reason for introducing the grind was how wonderful this ship was.
Truth is, it aint all that.
I do not remember the Devs ever having stated a reason as to why they made it an Event - if someone said it I missed it. I assume it is because everything has switched to multi-play Events since last year's Anniversary and they are looking for consistency. I do not believe the quality of the ship had any bearing on the matter.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I do not remember the Devs ever having stated a reason as to why they made it an Event - if someone said it I missed it. I assume it is because everything has switched to multi-play Events since last year's Anniversary and they are looking for consistency. I do not believe the quality of the ship had any bearing on the matter.
Sherman, set the WABAC machine for the day the information regarding "the new grind" was leaked before the crew could get their smoke and mirrors set up:
This image was taken from Tribble, but I wanted to provide a few important notes about this. The free ships this year are not your average Anniversary ship; they've got some extremely amazing bells and whistles, and even 2 new mechanics being introduced for the first time (more info soon). Because of this, you'll need to work a tad bit harder for a free ship over just running an episode one time.
-further positive spin attempts snipped-
There it is. We have to grind because the new ship is soooooooo great compared to the previous ones. Straight from The Man, not only does the quality of the ship "have any bearing on" the matter, it is the entire matter.
Thanks for the post; though I think that is really just Brandon's spin on the situation rather then being an official reason.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
And that's because- what, Brandon isn't an official spokesperson? Riiiiiiiight... :rolleyes:
I never said any such thing. I simply find it difficult to believe that Geko said to the Marketing Team that this RA ship is so cool and awesome compared to all other ships ever created that it needs a grind event.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I never said any such thing. I simply find it difficult to believe that Geko said to the Marketing Team that this RA ship is so cool and awesome compared to all other ships ever created that it needs a grind event.
Well, the reason that an official representative gave to "we the players" is that we have to grind because the ship is so over-the-top better than its predecessors.
I never said any such thing. I simply find it difficult to believe that Geko said to the Marketing Team that this RA ship is so cool and awesome compared to all other ships ever created that it needs a grind event.
Problem is, the only information we have points to this being exactly the case.
And, in the absence of any other communication or enegagement from the devs to any criticism at all, it's hard not to connect those dots.
To do it for fifteen days and have to complete one of two tasks which is chosen for you each time...
Or not to do it. Or to skip doing it when you don't want to. That is choice.
But for the Qmendations? No choice.
I made the liberating choice to do it only if I feel like it and not worry about Qmendations. I'm much happier now.
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The point is that it is not a big prize. It is a standard RA-level ship. It is not a great Science ship and it is not a great Escort - it is just in the middle. It is not really worth the effort of getting unless you are a Romulan - as they do not really have a Science Vessel. But even then you are better off getting an upcoming C-Store version for 2,500 Zen - it takes me about 2 weeks to grind enough Dilithium to earn 2,500 Zen, which is roughly the same amount of time it would take me to grind the RA ship.
I do not know if the EV Suit is bind-on-pickup, so it is quite possible some will make it to the Exchange in time.
It takes a lot more than 2 weeks to make 2,500 zen through dilithium.
14 x 8000 = 112,000
2,500 at the usual going rate of 127 dil per zen = 317,500.
Even if your fleet's dil mine can refine 500 more per day, you'll never make it.
It takes a lot more than 2 weeks to make 2,500 zen through dilithium.
14 x 8000 = 112,000
2,500 at the usual going rate of 127 dil per zen = 317,500.
Even if your fleet's dil mine can refine 500 more per day, you'll never make it.
As rinkster states: 1 toon, 8k. 4 toons, 32k. 5 toons each making 5k = 25,000. My daily average is 20-25,000 per day in about 2-2.5 hours. I average over 5,000 Zen per month added to my account.
There is not exactly much you can do at end-game that does not make you Dilithium.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I expected fev games for this event, but there's only two of them (or one). And some players aren't fer. I noticed, that some players just (activate) Q game and than do other stuff. I don't know whatthey do this, but is not fer for other players. I mean, a lot of times ther are just spining boxes and no player next to them. Is this a bug? And speaking of bugs... Why is so hard to activate PARTY CHRASHER, a lot of times jou need to walk forth and back to activate Q.
Honestly, it makes my head hurt trying to figure out how PWE thinks 'festival' content like this is ok. My understanding of a 'festival' is that one should have FUN at them, right?
Well this anniversary event is anything but FUN. Its a boring grind fest, with the most annoying mini games to date. And who's bright idea was it to make these grindy mini events 'PVP-based' ?? How is that supposed to be relaxing, festive, and fun, when every time you are trying to interact with a mini Q, some idiot comes charging in from out of nowhere, and somehow activates the mini Q from right under your nose.
Explain to me how that is supposed to be fun? Explain to me how that is considered 'fair play' by gamers and devs alike? If you can clearly see someone trying to interact with the mini Q (which I might add, are buggy as hell, half the time i have to jump around and move around like mad to get the pop up to show), but anyway, if you can clearly see someone trying to activate a Q, why do you think its ok to go in and take it from them?
I just don't understand how the Dev's promote this kind of game play. It has been my experience that STO has some of the worst community members in all MMO's I've ever played. And before everyone jumps down my throat about this, I said "some of the worst.." I know its a generalization, and I know not all players here in STO are like that, but these kind of event just bring them all together in one place. Its just sad.
I think for me, this will be the last STO event I take part in, until the Devs actually start giving a damn about what impact events like this have on player interaction and the type of community as a whole.
I expected fev games for this event, but there's only two of them (or one). And some players aren't fer. I noticed, that some players just (activate) Q game and than do other stuff. I don't know whatthey do this, but is not fer for other players. I mean, a lot of times ther are just spining boxes and no player next to them. Is this a bug? And speaking of bugs... Why is so hard to activate PARTY CHRASHER, a lot of times jou need to walk forth and back to activate Q.
Not a bug, an exploit.
Player doesn't want to wait or play the box game.
Runs around instance activating all the miniQs they can find.
They ignore boxes in favour of runners, but may go back to the boxes once they've spun to use the B key exploit to see where Q is.
Is it anti-social? Well, its certainly not sociable......but when this is the only grind in town and its designed this badly, what does anyone expect?
Is it anti-social? Well, its certainly not sociable......but when this is the only grind in town and its designed this badly, what does anyone expect?
Fair play. Courtesy. You know, those things everybody wants everybody else to treat them with?
But since there are no lines forming up in the game (and some people would just cut to the head of the line anyway) all I can worry about is my conduct.
I do not knowingly poach someone else's interact. More often than not, I'm the one being done unto.
But I do not "yell" at poachers or follow them around making a nuisance of myself. I just move along and hope to snag a different one.
I don't think you're making excuses for players' bad behavior. I just want to clarify that they don't have any excuse, no matter what Cryptic did.
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Here's the work around.
When there's a promotion giving away lobi (see the FE rerun) take it and hold onto that currency with all your life until something like this comes out. That's how I got my black ev suit, severe budgeting.
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Complete non-issue.
While "certain people" will refuse to believe it, in fact I flatly refuse to fight over a Crasher. If I see anyone coming at one while I'm approaching it, I'll not even slow down and just go for the next one.
Yup. It was presented to us as the ship being so freakin' fantastic compared to previous Anniversary ships that they had to make us "work a little more" for it.
If it's really not all that, then that's just more Cryptic doubletalk to cover the addition of STO's future.
The entire story of STO's development in a nutshell. Second minigame, Defera Comm Tower, Voth Zone... :rolleyes:
Im not doing the box thing. So if it is that I will just go to the next I can do 5 of the chase down in the same time it take to do the TRIBBLE box game.
Yeah, with the sudden rise in the number of ways you can spend lobi, it crossed my mind that the event you refer to may have put too much lobi into the economy for Cryptics liking.
Flush with lobi? Why buy a key to open a box.......
I do not know if the EV Suit is bind-on-pickup, so it is quite possible some will make it to the Exchange in time.
Watch out, the Fairness Police will come down on you like a ton of bricks for that attitude.
...but you can always just let yourself be amused by their indignant tirades about how you're "having fun wrong" like I do.
I can't help but add "New Hair Technology" to that list, it's a classic.
Agreed on many of your points regarding the nine console ship.
However, it is true that when this awful grindaversary was announced, Cryptics big reason for introducing the grind was how wonderful this ship was.
Truth is, it aint all that.
Not much use on the Fed side for it, I agree Romulans can use it and I'm sure a few KDF will find it a useful science based ship.
But, as a ship, it's not fantastic and certainly not worth increasing the time required to get an anniversary ship by 425%.
Fair point, maybe they'll make someone some money ingame.
Indeed, which is why you need to think about long term consequences during an event. Lots of lobi now, crackdown later, but along with that probably some cool content to drive people further into lock boxes. Hence my black suit now, and I'll be doing the same with this one (stocking up on Qmendation marks once I'm done with the main grind on a couple of characters. The system will continue on at some point and next time around they'll probably force us through a full 1000 mark grind.)
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Sherman, set the WABAC machine for the day the information regarding "the new grind" was leaked before the crew could get their smoke and mirrors set up:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=14630361&postcount=30
There it is. We have to grind because the new ship is soooooooo great compared to the previous ones. Straight from The Man, not only does the quality of the ship "have any bearing on" the matter, it is the entire matter.
Indeed, there are so many to add to that list, we would be here for quite a while.
And that's because- what, Brandon isn't an official spokesperson? Riiiiiiiight... :rolleyes:
Well, the reason that an official representative gave to "we the players" is that we have to grind because the ship is so over-the-top better than its predecessors.
Problem is, the only information we have points to this being exactly the case.
And, in the absence of any other communication or enegagement from the devs to any criticism at all, it's hard not to connect those dots.
To do it for fifteen days and have to complete one of two tasks which is chosen for you each time...
Or not to do it. Or to skip doing it when you don't want to. That is choice.
But for the Qmendations? No choice.
I made the liberating choice to do it only if I feel like it and not worry about Qmendations. I'm much happier now.
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The Dyson ship isn't all that great, especially if you already own the Vesta.
I am saving up the Qmendations for next year.
Well, i see Bran is posting atm in this very subforum.
Perhaps he'll clear up the confusion.
It takes a lot more than 2 weeks to make 2,500 zen through dilithium.
14 x 8000 = 112,000
2,500 at the usual going rate of 127 dil per zen = 317,500.
Even if your fleet's dil mine can refine 500 more per day, you'll never make it.
Yeah, but thats just the one toon.
Three toons you're in the two week range, six toons you can do it in a week.
But I'm not a TRIBBLE, and you didn't mention multiple toons.
There is not exactly much you can do at end-game that does not make you Dilithium.
....er.....ok?
But doesn't everyone have access to ultiple toons and it can be, yanno, sort of assumed?
And maxing out 8k isn't particulary hard once you get the hang of it.
Well this anniversary event is anything but FUN. Its a boring grind fest, with the most annoying mini games to date. And who's bright idea was it to make these grindy mini events 'PVP-based' ?? How is that supposed to be relaxing, festive, and fun, when every time you are trying to interact with a mini Q, some idiot comes charging in from out of nowhere, and somehow activates the mini Q from right under your nose.
Explain to me how that is supposed to be fun? Explain to me how that is considered 'fair play' by gamers and devs alike? If you can clearly see someone trying to interact with the mini Q (which I might add, are buggy as hell, half the time i have to jump around and move around like mad to get the pop up to show), but anyway, if you can clearly see someone trying to activate a Q, why do you think its ok to go in and take it from them?
I just don't understand how the Dev's promote this kind of game play. It has been my experience that STO has some of the worst community members in all MMO's I've ever played. And before everyone jumps down my throat about this, I said "some of the worst.." I know its a generalization, and I know not all players here in STO are like that, but these kind of event just bring them all together in one place. Its just sad.
I think for me, this will be the last STO event I take part in, until the Devs actually start giving a damn about what impact events like this have on player interaction and the type of community as a whole.
Not a bug, an exploit.
Player doesn't want to wait or play the box game.
Runs around instance activating all the miniQs they can find.
They ignore boxes in favour of runners, but may go back to the boxes once they've spun to use the B key exploit to see where Q is.
Is it anti-social? Well, its certainly not sociable......but when this is the only grind in town and its designed this badly, what does anyone expect?
Fair play. Courtesy. You know, those things everybody wants everybody else to treat them with?
But since there are no lines forming up in the game (and some people would just cut to the head of the line anyway) all I can worry about is my conduct.
I do not knowingly poach someone else's interact. More often than not, I'm the one being done unto.
But I do not "yell" at poachers or follow them around making a nuisance of myself. I just move along and hope to snag a different one.
I don't think you're making excuses for players' bad behavior. I just want to clarify that they don't have any excuse, no matter what Cryptic did.
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Oh, I'm sure he will.