One thing that seems no one is honing on is that the ship suppose to be FREE, but we must earn it, so is it free or do we have to earn it?
It is like walking by the house of the old next-door neighbor and he offers us a whole sweet home made pie, but before he gives it to us, we must chop wood to last the whole winter, clean the gutters, mow the lawn, trim the bushes, paint the fence and neuter his dog without anesthesia.
Well at least this means the free ship is going to be a 10-console competitive one rather than another 9 console "sample" item like the oddy, bortas, ambassador or obelisk.
Honestly ... I'd rather have the chance to grind for a fleet level ship vs. getting a free one that we have to turn around and buy a better version later.
Honestly ... I'd rather have the chance to grind for a fleet level ship vs. getting a free one that we have to turn around and buy a better version later.
The problem is that 30 days after the event you are going to have a better version of the same ship. :eek::D
I realise today that I am not happy to be grinding so soon after grinding, but I am probably going to do it anyway so I am exactly the type of player Cryptic is aiming this at. Sadly.
How many of my 6 toons will have it? Maybe 1 that it would fit on, thematically speaking, so I may only grind it once.
My wife has 6 toons now as well, with only 1 it is likely to fit with too so we may grind this twice between us.
If it was like the Ambassador FE, Obelisk FE or even Odyssey/Bortas FE I would have done this event on all my toons AND HERS, just to try the ship with different abilities/captains/reps/weapons for giggles. I would have wasted hours of play just "playing" with the new ships. As it is now, I will look at the ships stats, make an informed decision for only 2 toons out of 12 (between us) and might skip it altogether. Surely a waste of the effort in designing the event in the first place?
I liked Bluegeek's entire post a while back. I would have happily played something like 5 FE to gain 5 items required to exchange for the ships on all my toons (replaying from a different perspective with different skills would have been okay as grinds go), but not the q-in-a-box nonsense from last year. Do Cryptic seriously have to rely on Q-us ex machina to provide content/ships/items from now on? Surely a mission from Tuvok requiring we complete a tonne of Dyson content to acquire items needed to complete these hybrid ships would have been better, from an immersion point of view. It would have finally gotten me to play with the Dyson content (something I've actively been avoiding because I still think dinos with lasers on their heads is like something out of an Austin Powers movie).
As it stands now, I sit on the fence, unhappy at this turn of events and sad that this may be the new way of things.
"...we are far more united and have far more in common with each other than the things that divide us.”
Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016
So what is the alternative to everybody and their brother getting the special fancy new ship all at the same time after snapping a finger? Some sort of trial. Some sort of variable length delay. Something to keep everybody on the planet from trying to experience the same moment at the same time.
While I get your point, the idea behind this particular event is that it's STO's 4-th Anniversary, a time of celebrating success and giving gifts.
If it was just a random Cryptic initiative to give the people an opportunity for a new free ship, I would completely agree with you. Except in this case it's suposed to be a gift, so yeah it's pretty much ok for everyone and their brother to receive one. Cause they're all STO players.
This sort of thing should have been done with the Obelisk, a ship alien to all factions and not tied to anything particualry special instead of faction specific anniversary gifts which should be given away in the manner the Obelisk was given away.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying what I'm saying because of personal issues. Couldn't care lees. I have no need for new ships, no matter how awesome they are and if the leaked pics are the ones....bleh, I don't even want them.
I'm just saying from a human perspective that an item that is suposed to be the big gift for an anniversary celebration, should be accessible to everyone (and their brother )participating without much effort for the simple reason of it being a gift.
There's another problem with the idea of us having to "earn" the ships this way: it's lazy design.
That's how they roll. Lazy design. 1-hit kills forcing 30 respawns per mission is their idea of balanced gameplay. Need to out-do the previous baddies that are already wiping out shields and taking you down to 10% hull? Just make them bypass shields 100%! Oh, and make them immune to all damage! Oh, and make any damage you send at them "bounce back" and kill you instead! Oh, and make them have magical power that they spam at you nonstop while all this is happening, making you unable to move! Oh, and then on top of that suck all your power levels down to nothing so that in the same fight you can't move, can't fight, can't use your shields to help defend you, anything you fire at the enemy kills you, oh and that's just the low-level mobs before you get to the bosses! Oh, and IF you kill them, let's just make them come back from the dead for no explainable reason. (I'm referring to the Voth here -- worst/LAZIEST gameplay design ever).
PWE is taking over. Their influence has spread, but in conjunction with that the damaging influence of the asia-grinder that PWE is shaping is compounded by the weak efforts of the dev team to simply make the game monolithically hard. If it were JUST PWE we had to deal with, we could suffer through in hopes that things would get better. If it wer JUST Cryptic's lazy dev style we might have hope that they'll make it better with some employee turnover or a different hand on the wheel.
Together, there is no hope and they are very immediately in danger of killing this game before 2014 is finished.
Whilst I don't really wish to indulge in the semantics surrounding their use of the word 'free', I would argue that it is questionalble.
You see, the dictionary defines 'free' as "Costing nothing, requiring no money to be paid".
Now, whilst it WILL be possible to obtain the new ships for nothing, the fact that financial input IS an option (lobi), AND is an option that expedies the end result, it would be fair to aruge that since players can, and will, spend real money to obtain the product, it is only free if one choses to obtain it via the 'free' method.
But I don't think that there is much doubt that, whilst it is entirely down to individual choice, someone who spent money on lobi to obtain the ship didn't actually get the ship for free.
Meaning of free:
Not affected or restricted by a given condition or circumstance.
Not controlled by obligation or the will of another.
Not subject to a given condition; exempt.
Given, made, or done of one's own accord; voluntary or spontaneous.
So Mr. Encyclopedia you see when Cryptic says they are giving us a free ship but we must do something to obtained that assumed FREE ship is no longer free.
Another worthless long grind for a mediocre subpar ship I would never use. I skipped last summer's grind event, the winter grind event and will be skipping this grind event too. It is the most pointless part of STO and I sick of the long grinds. The changes with to the rep grind in the Dyson rep was long overdue and sorely needs to be retrofitted to other reps.
As to the so called free ship, it is not a gift if it involves a long pointless grind. Time is money and requiring a long time consuming grind means it is not free or a gift.
I will give this event a miss as well, have better things to do with my time than grind for another ship I would never use.
All of this info and much more will be coming up in our Dev Blogs next week, and I think once you see the ships, you'll see why a little extra effort for the ships will be more than worth it.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
Unless the Federation ship is a T5.5, 10 console Constitution, Enterprise, or Exeter class with a zero seconds cooldown console of amazing usefulness, I won't waste any of my time on your mindnumbingly boring grind sessions.
Honestly ... I'd rather have the chance to grind for a fleet level ship vs. getting a free one that we have to turn around and buy a better version later.
I spend the majority of my waking hours working in my career. The career that gives me real money. I don't have any problems with spending some of that money on entertainment. Mindless grinding is not entertaining.
Unless the Federation ship is a T5.5, 10 console Constitution, Enterprise, or Exeter class with a zero seconds cooldown console of amazing usefulness, I won't waste any of my time on your mindnumbingly boring grind sessions.
Okay, looking at Bran's posts again, there are two things I've taken notice:
1) It sounds like these ships are either destined to be Spire-added Fleet ships or C-Store ships. The fact that one of the posts mentions earning them "For FREE" means that they're heading for one of those places once it's all said and done
2) This isn't the only gift we're getting "For FREE" as we're supposed to get stuff similar to the Summer Event (which probably means two costumes, a low-rank ship for its skin and a high-rank ship).
So, basically, like the ship? Get it through the grind? If not, it'll be in the stores. Also, you're getting other free stuff, enjoy!
After a good nights sleep this is still insane. Cryptic encourage players to have more than one character i.e. Fed, Kling and Rom then the 3 classes. I've got 20 toons so I'm really put off the idea of another 15+ days grinding for these toons.
What makes it worst is that Cryptic has a mechanic in the game to make it easier for players with multiple alts but haven't used it in the winter event and I doubt they will use it in the anniversary event . This is the sponsorship system. If only one toon got the ship and could sponsor the other toon say with EC and not Q marks, even if the other toons had to play the mission just once I'm sure many players would be happier.
Another option would be if player who are Lifetime subscribers or have subscribe for over 1400 days got the ship for free on all their toons.
But I doubt this will happen because its just a simple money grab by Cryptic as the want people to buy the Qmarks from the Z-store.
I for one would not want to wish Cryptic a happy 4th Anniversary. It's not a happy joyous time, it's more like the 4th year of a life time prison sentence. Cryptic you sure know how to put people off playing your games.
Hey at least it's not like World Of War craf that has current 75 factions to grind rep with
Hey at least it's not like World Of War craf that has current 75 factions to grind rep with
in my book they dont compare in wow i can go kill countless number for a few days to max one out im not time gated for a month or so not to say most now they have tabards to where im doing a dungeons i can get rep for the faction tabard im using there are also other ways to get them max
1) It sounds like these ships are either destined to be Spire-added Fleet ships or C-Store ships. The fact that one of the posts mentions earning them "For FREE" means that they're heading for one of those places once it's all said and done
You'll be able to BUY Qmendations for Lobi Crystals if you don't want to grind the daily mission, so I doubt the ship will be added to any store later on, as it would be unfair to those who spent their currency on the tokens (similarly to how you could buy tokens during Winter and Summer events).
Until we see what the ships are in details all the complains are an empty point, because if the ship is of less quality of what I have now there is not a snowball chance in hell I am going to do all the grinding.
Not sure why people with 20 toons feel they MUST have it on all 20
For me I will take a look at the ships, decide which toon it would best suit, check to see if it's better than the ship he already has, if the answer is yes I will grind for that one toon, if the answer is no I will leave it.
Some people love and PAID for all those characters and they want the best for each one of them, why to deprive them from their pleasure?
Some people collect stamps, other collect coins, other collect Star Trek ships, other collect child support lawsuits for been deadbeats so what is your point people don't have the choice or right of having 6, 20, 50 characters if they choose so?
Until we see what the ships are in details all the complains are an empty point, because if the ship is of less quality of what I have now there is not a snowball chance in hell I am going to do all the grinding.
its been stated a thousand times that its not about the quality of the ship.. its about the presidence that has been set, and the fact that this even (the anniversary) event wasn't about us doing another chore, but about cryptic showing appreciation for all of us who stick around.. I have never played a game (and I have played a lot) where during the anniversary event, I had to grind (or pay for) the event prize.. it is usually a gesture from the gaming company as a thank you...
this is now gone.. and thus has nothing to do with the ship.. I don't care if its the be all end all ship, or the crappiest ship ever, its not the point..
Until we see what the ships are in details all the complains are an empty point, because if the ship is of less quality of what I have now there is not a snowball chance in hell I am going to do all the grinding.
well i said this already but someone said it was mute :mad:
While I get your point, the idea behind this particular event is that it's STO's 4-th Anniversary, a time of celebrating success and giving gifts.
If it was just a random Cryptic initiative to give the people an opportunity for a new free ship, I would completely agree with you. Except in this case it's suposed to be a gift, so yeah it's pretty much ok for everyone and their brother to receive one. Cause they're all STO players.
This sort of thing should have been done with the Obelisk, a ship alien to all factions and not tied to anything particualry special instead of faction specific anniversary gifts which should be given away in the manner the Obelisk was given away.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying what I'm saying because of personal issues. Couldn't care lees. I have no need for new ships, no matter how awesome they are and if the leaked pics are the ones....bleh, I don't even want them.
I'm just saying from a human perspective that an item that is suposed to be the big gift for an anniversary celebration, should be accessible to everyone (and their brother )participating without much effort for the simple reason of it being a gift.
yes I agree with this, had they decided to make this ship come out on say first contact day, and decided to make it a grind, I wouldn't have complained, well not to this extent.. but they took an event that was for us, and made it about them.. the last bastion of good will from cryptic has been inherently destroyed..
folks.. I want you to think about this long and hard.. cryptic has basically said that we don't matter, and that we are only a dollar sign to them.. while needing to make some money is all well and good, there has to be a balance of good will and greed, and while one event wasn't that big of a balance, it was something that a lot of players looked forward too.. its like a birthday, but now, you have to pay for all the gifts you get, or work them off .. imagine that.. oh thanks for the awesome birthday present friend, waite, I have to rake your yard 15 times to be able to keep it.. ummmm. no..
this maneuver by cryptic is a slap in the face to us, the players. and I for one have closed my wallet (which sucks cause I had a few things planned lol). but yeah, I for one, see how they feel about their consumers, and their game..
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It is like walking by the house of the old next-door neighbor and he offers us a whole sweet home made pie, but before he gives it to us, we must chop wood to last the whole winter, clean the gutters, mow the lawn, trim the bushes, paint the fence and neuter his dog without anesthesia.
Honestly ... I'd rather have the chance to grind for a fleet level ship vs. getting a free one that we have to turn around and buy a better version later.
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The problem is that 30 days after the event you are going to have a better version of the same ship. :eek::D
Technically, even getting it at the end of a single mission would not be "free" if you are going to decide to play word games with the english...
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How many of my 6 toons will have it? Maybe 1 that it would fit on, thematically speaking, so I may only grind it once.
My wife has 6 toons now as well, with only 1 it is likely to fit with too so we may grind this twice between us.
If it was like the Ambassador FE, Obelisk FE or even Odyssey/Bortas FE I would have done this event on all my toons AND HERS, just to try the ship with different abilities/captains/reps/weapons for giggles. I would have wasted hours of play just "playing" with the new ships. As it is now, I will look at the ships stats, make an informed decision for only 2 toons out of 12 (between us) and might skip it altogether. Surely a waste of the effort in designing the event in the first place?
I liked Bluegeek's entire post a while back. I would have happily played something like 5 FE to gain 5 items required to exchange for the ships on all my toons (replaying from a different perspective with different skills would have been okay as grinds go), but not the q-in-a-box nonsense from last year. Do Cryptic seriously have to rely on Q-us ex machina to provide content/ships/items from now on? Surely a mission from Tuvok requiring we complete a tonne of Dyson content to acquire items needed to complete these hybrid ships would have been better, from an immersion point of view. It would have finally gotten me to play with the Dyson content (something I've actively been avoiding because I still think dinos with lasers on their heads is like something out of an Austin Powers movie).
As it stands now, I sit on the fence, unhappy at this turn of events and sad that this may be the new way of things.
Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016
While I get your point, the idea behind this particular event is that it's STO's 4-th Anniversary, a time of celebrating success and giving gifts.
If it was just a random Cryptic initiative to give the people an opportunity for a new free ship, I would completely agree with you. Except in this case it's suposed to be a gift, so yeah it's pretty much ok for everyone and their brother to receive one. Cause they're all STO players.
This sort of thing should have been done with the Obelisk, a ship alien to all factions and not tied to anything particualry special instead of faction specific anniversary gifts which should be given away in the manner the Obelisk was given away.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying what I'm saying because of personal issues. Couldn't care lees. I have no need for new ships, no matter how awesome they are and if the leaked pics are the ones....bleh, I don't even want them.
I'm just saying from a human perspective that an item that is suposed to be the big gift for an anniversary celebration, should be accessible to everyone (and their brother
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea6UuRTjkKs
They NEED to. Not optional. Watch it, Cryptic. Learn from it. Everything it says is true and it is presented well.
That's how they roll. Lazy design. 1-hit kills forcing 30 respawns per mission is their idea of balanced gameplay. Need to out-do the previous baddies that are already wiping out shields and taking you down to 10% hull? Just make them bypass shields 100%! Oh, and make them immune to all damage! Oh, and make any damage you send at them "bounce back" and kill you instead! Oh, and make them have magical power that they spam at you nonstop while all this is happening, making you unable to move! Oh, and then on top of that suck all your power levels down to nothing so that in the same fight you can't move, can't fight, can't use your shields to help defend you, anything you fire at the enemy kills you, oh and that's just the low-level mobs before you get to the bosses! Oh, and IF you kill them, let's just make them come back from the dead for no explainable reason. (I'm referring to the Voth here -- worst/LAZIEST gameplay design ever).
PWE is taking over. Their influence has spread, but in conjunction with that the damaging influence of the asia-grinder that PWE is shaping is compounded by the weak efforts of the dev team to simply make the game monolithically hard. If it were JUST PWE we had to deal with, we could suffer through in hopes that things would get better. If it wer JUST Cryptic's lazy dev style we might have hope that they'll make it better with some employee turnover or a different hand on the wheel.
Together, there is no hope and they are very immediately in danger of killing this game before 2014 is finished.
A gift or a present is an item given to someone without the expectation of payment.
expectation: 15days grind
payment: lobi store
Cryptic you suck :mad:
Meaning of free:
Not affected or restricted by a given condition or circumstance.
Not controlled by obligation or the will of another.
Not subject to a given condition; exempt.
Given, made, or done of one's own accord; voluntary or spontaneous.
So Mr. Encyclopedia you see when Cryptic says they are giving us a free ship but we must do something to obtained that assumed FREE ship is no longer free.
As to the so called free ship, it is not a gift if it involves a long pointless grind. Time is money and requiring a long time consuming grind means it is not free or a gift.
I will give this event a miss as well, have better things to do with my time than grind for another ship I would never use.
this post made my day ty for this
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there is that saying time is money
system Lord Baal is dead
1) It sounds like these ships are either destined to be Spire-added Fleet ships or C-Store ships. The fact that one of the posts mentions earning them "For FREE" means that they're heading for one of those places once it's all said and done
2) This isn't the only gift we're getting "For FREE" as we're supposed to get stuff similar to the Summer Event (which probably means two costumes, a low-rank ship for its skin and a high-rank ship).
So, basically, like the ship? Get it through the grind? If not, it'll be in the stores. Also, you're getting other free stuff, enjoy!
Time=money. You never heard of that old saying?
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
yep indeed
system Lord Baal is dead
Hey at least it's not like World Of War craf that has current 75 factions to grind rep with
in my book they dont compare in wow i can go kill countless number for a few days to max one out im not time gated for a month or so not to say most now they have tabards to where im doing a dungeons i can get rep for the faction tabard im using there are also other ways to get them max
system Lord Baal is dead
Some people love and PAID for all those characters and they want the best for each one of them, why to deprive them from their pleasure?
Some people collect stamps, other collect coins, other collect Star Trek ships, other collect child support lawsuits for been deadbeats so what is your point people don't have the choice or right of having 6, 20, 50 characters if they choose so?
its been stated a thousand times that its not about the quality of the ship.. its about the presidence that has been set, and the fact that this even (the anniversary) event wasn't about us doing another chore, but about cryptic showing appreciation for all of us who stick around.. I have never played a game (and I have played a lot) where during the anniversary event, I had to grind (or pay for) the event prize.. it is usually a gesture from the gaming company as a thank you...
this is now gone.. and thus has nothing to do with the ship.. I don't care if its the be all end all ship, or the crappiest ship ever, its not the point..
well i said this already but someone said it was mute :mad:
At least that's my excuse.
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yes I agree with this, had they decided to make this ship come out on say first contact day, and decided to make it a grind, I wouldn't have complained, well not to this extent.. but they took an event that was for us, and made it about them.. the last bastion of good will from cryptic has been inherently destroyed..
folks.. I want you to think about this long and hard.. cryptic has basically said that we don't matter, and that we are only a dollar sign to them.. while needing to make some money is all well and good, there has to be a balance of good will and greed, and while one event wasn't that big of a balance, it was something that a lot of players looked forward too.. its like a birthday, but now, you have to pay for all the gifts you get, or work them off .. imagine that.. oh thanks for the awesome birthday present friend, waite, I have to rake your yard 15 times to be able to keep it.. ummmm. no..
this maneuver by cryptic is a slap in the face to us, the players. and I for one have closed my wallet (which sucks cause I had a few things planned lol). but yeah, I for one, see how they feel about their consumers, and their game..