Trying to stay on topic...I suppose as far as the 'gametracker' goes - there may be some tight-nit people who only play PWE games so in the words of a famous Star Trek actor - "...now here comes Arcgames to save the day - it took Cryptic to build it in a year - now we can build it in 1 day " !
I am just kiddin here and bein a little sarcastic - I still dont understand and no one has explained why I have to sign into Arcgames to access my forum character; this is absurd - not only that it uses my same forum account - wierd.
I am thinking here that this is an 'option' to use, and not a requirement? I hope not to have to have an Arcgames client to start off my STO client; they are already tracking my game useage playing this game what more do they want - to shuv advertising into the game to the free-to-players I have seen that TRIBBLE too in games.
Personally, I am of the opinion that it should be 60 days. Has that ever been discussed in your private mod forum? I think it'd be an idea to kick around.
Yes. (Sorry but really can't discuss more beyond that lol)
Trying to stay on topic...I suppose as far as the 'gametracker' goes - there may be some tight-nit people who only play PWE games so in the words of a famous Star Trek actor - "...now here comes Arcgames to save the day - it took Cryptic to build it in a year - now we can build it in 1 day " !
I am just kiddin here and bein a little sarcastic - I still dont understand and no one has explained why I have to sign into Arcgames to access my forum character; this is absurd - not only that it uses my same forum account - wierd.
I am thinking here that this is an 'option' to use, and not a requirement? I hope not to have to have an Arcgames client to start off my STO client; they are already tracking my game useage playing this game what more do they want - to shuv advertising into the game to the free-to-players I have seen that TRIBBLE too in games.
(PS I edited my post upstairs)
Cmdr Zeta
Yes, using ARC or steam will become a requirement sooner or later.
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The forum merger was 2 years ago and was documented before then. No one got their post count back, everyone started back at 0 so yes I guess if you just now come back it'd be a shocker.
Also, no replying to threads over 30 days old is not allowed nor has ever been allowed which is constituted as necro'd posting. So don't know why that's a shocker either. And btw, discussing moderation actions isn't allowed either. I'd really read up on those rules that have been around since the merger.
Could we get some consistency on the 30 day thing? I have certainly seen it said that it isn't as strict in dev started feedback threads. It may have even been in this one. I will look for it once I am on a PC rather than a phone.
What's the point of using Arc? I launch Arc and click on "Play" STO and it minimizes Arc and Loads the old launcher......it's easier and faster to just load the old launcher to begin with. :rolleyes:
There is nothing wrong with Arc, I run it with no problem at all, it's no different to me then steam is. I am also running a med-range pc that is 3 years old.
So I am not seeing where all this hate for Arc is coming from.
This is the internet, once someone makes up the mind on something, there is nothing you can do to change it. Accept that fact and your game play experience will be better. Don't give yourself a heart attack trying.
There is nothing wrong with Arc, I run it with no problem at all, it's no different to me then steam is. I am also running a med-range pc that is 3 years old.
So I am not seeing where all this hate for Arc is coming from.
There is very much things wrong with Arc. Just because you have no problems it does not mean it works for everyone. I cannot buy anything from the Zen store if I use Arc. That alone is reason to hate and not use it.
If it breaks the Zen store for some players how can you say nothing it wrong with Arc?
There is nothing wrong with Arc, I run it with no problem at all, it's no different to me then steam is. I am also running a med-range pc that is 3 years old.
So I am not seeing where all this hate for Arc is coming from.
hate the hater publicly. cant decide if thats a potential flame or spam thread. anyways, when the choice between steam and arc comes, im going for the former as i already have my setup on that.
edit: thread merged. disregard.
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There is nothing wrong with Arc, I run it with no problem at all, it's no different to me then steam is. I am also running a med-range pc that is 3 years old.
So I am not seeing where all this hate for Arc is coming from.
Because it's completely unnecessary and offers NOTHING in return for sucking up my metrics. What more reason do I need?
There is nothing wrong with Arc, I run it with no problem at all, it's no different to me then steam is. I am also running a med-range pc that is 3 years old.
So I am not seeing where all this hate for Arc is coming from.
Really, don't bother with it. There is a lot of irrational hatred against it, and you're just going to stir up trouble with the topic.
The legitimate concern I have with it is that I really don't need an extra website reader, I already got a browser. I just need something to launch my game, so I stay with the old launcher as long as I can.
If it works for you, it works for you.
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Ive tryed arc twice n both times it said connection timed out i have no problem with sto own client. i can even take my 5 year old HP Pavilion lab top on the bus use my 3G smart phone as a wifi hotspot to play sto can u do that with arc nope cos arc uses to much data. Its a hour bus ride to my mums so thats why i do it.
I have Steam. Why do I want the Chinese version of Steam too? Or wherever PWE originates from.
Northern California. Operations are separate from PWI, which is based in China. That's why it's hard to play Cryptic games in the Far East - Cryptic doesn't have a worldwide network of server farms, just the one in (IIRC) upstate New York, so the licensing standards for PW don't quite work out for their home region.
The basic problem with Arc is that the tinfoil-hat brigade became terribly excited about "Chinese spyware", because of course we all have all this data on our home computers that the Chinese intelligence agency is anxious to get its hands on. (And equally of course, if such a thing were true, they couldn't possibly have slipped such a module into the existing game that you routinely update without ever actually parsing the data yourself...)
However, I've learned over time that arguing with such folks is futile - they'll use the lack of data as if it were an actual data point ("How do you know it's not stealing everything?"). There's no reasoning with positions like that.
There is nothing wrong with Arc, I run it with no problem at all, it's no different to me then steam is. I am also running a med-range pc that is 3 years old.
So I am not seeing where all this hate for Arc is coming from.
Supporting ArC means you're willfully participating in the mass fragmentation of gaming into propietartary software platforms, something all gamers should rally against. Do you want to have to download distribution software for every single game released by a developer in the future because that's where we're headed. Do want to have to have a live internet connection for all games that we play so that developers can keep track of all of our gaming activities? Need I go on?
Northern California. Operations are separate from PWI, which is based in China. That's why it's hard to play Cryptic games in the Far East - Cryptic doesn't have a worldwide network of server farms, just the one in (IIRC) upstate New York, so the licensing standards for PW don't quite work out for their home region.
The basic problem with Arc is that the tinfoil-hat brigade became terribly excited about "Chinese spyware", because of course we all have all this data on our home computers that the Chinese intelligence agency is anxious to get its hands on. (And equally of course, if such a thing were true, they couldn't possibly have slipped such a module into the existing game that you routinely update without ever actually parsing the data yourself...)
However, I've learned over time that arguing with such folks is futile - they'll use the lack of data as if it were an actual data point ("How do you know it's not stealing everything?"). There's no reasoning with positions like that.
Yes because apart from concerns about it being malicious software, there's no way that the concern that arc becomes an absolute requirement is a legitimate one, right? Give me a break..
There is nothing wrong with Arc, I run it with no problem at all, it's no different to me then steam is. I am also running a med-range pc that is 3 years old.
So I am not seeing where all this hate for Arc is coming from.
Wow thank you.
Having tested it on one possible configuration out of several thousand, you clearly are a technical genius to be able to surmise that it works perfectly.
You're probably the same guy who tested these things once, and found that:
1.) Lead in gasoline had no ill-effect on anything
2.) Red Dye #12 was good for you
3.) Thalidomide is an excellent anti-nausea medication
4.) Cigarette smoking is good for weight loss
5.) Chlorofluorocarbon are excellent refrigerants
I have more. These were tested 'once' and found not to have any problems.
Supporting ArC means you're willfully participating in the mass fragmentation of gaming into propietartary software platforms, something all gamers should rally against. Do you want to have to download distribution software for every single game released by a developer in the future because that's where we're headed. Do want to have to have a live internet connection for all games that we play so that developers can keep track of all of our gaming activities? Need I go on?
Most games currently come with patch facilities, often via launchers.
What is more fragmented - one such launcher/patcher tool in every game, or one launcher tool for every distributor or software company?
And considering the success of Steam - fragmentation might be vastly preferable over a monopoly.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
Northern California. Operations are separate from PWI, which is based in China. That's why it's hard to play Cryptic games in the Far East - Cryptic doesn't have a worldwide network of server farms, just the one in (IIRC) upstate New York, so the licensing standards for PW don't quite work out for their home region.
The basic problem with Arc is that the tinfoil-hat brigade became terribly excited about "Chinese spyware", because of course we all have all this data on our home computers that the Chinese intelligence agency is anxious to get its hands on. (And equally of course, if such a thing were true, they couldn't possibly have slipped such a module into the existing game that you routinely update without ever actually parsing the data yourself...)
However, I've learned over time that arguing with such folks is futile - they'll use the lack of data as if it were an actual data point ("How do you know it's not stealing everything?"). There's no reasoning with positions like that.
Actually, it's in Boston, Massachusetts.
And until recently, it was a TRIBBLE-tastic bottle neck that kept A LOT of folks from playing the game reliably.
:cool:
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Northern California. Operations are separate from PWI, which is based in China. That's why it's hard to play Cryptic games in the Far East - Cryptic doesn't have a worldwide network of server farms, just the one in (IIRC) upstate New York, so the licensing standards for PW don't quite work out for their home region.
The basic problem with Arc is that the tinfoil-hat brigade became terribly excited about "Chinese spyware", because of course we all have all this data on our home computers that the Chinese intelligence agency is anxious to get its hands on. (And equally of course, if such a thing were true, they couldn't possibly have slipped such a module into the existing game that you routinely update without ever actually parsing the data yourself...)
However, I've learned over time that arguing with such folks is futile - they'll use the lack of data as if it were an actual data point ("How do you know it's not stealing everything?"). There's no reasoning with positions like that.
I'm SO important that the Chinese government needs to spy on my.
Well excuse me for having enormous flaws that I don't work on.
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Trying to stay on topic...I suppose as far as the 'gametracker' goes - there may be some tight-nit people who only play PWE games so in the words of a famous Star Trek actor - "...now here comes Arcgames to save the day - it took Cryptic to build it in a year - now we can build it in 1 day " !
I am just kiddin here and bein a little sarcastic - I still dont understand and no one has explained why I have to sign into Arcgames to access my forum character; this is absurd - not only that it uses my same forum account - wierd.
I am thinking here that this is an 'option' to use, and not a requirement? I hope not to have to have an Arcgames client to start off my STO client; they are already tracking my game useage playing this game what more do they want - to shuv advertising into the game to the free-to-players I have seen that TRIBBLE too in games.
(PS I edited my post upstairs)
Cmdr Zeta
Yes, using ARC or steam will become a requirement sooner or later.
Former Community Moderator, Former SSR DJ, Now Full time father to two kids, Husband, Retail Worker.
Tiktok: @Askray Facebook: Askray113
Could we get some consistency on the 30 day thing? I have certainly seen it said that it isn't as strict in dev started feedback threads. It may have even been in this one. I will look for it once I am on a PC rather than a phone.
Is there a way to get rid of ARC?
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So I am not seeing where all this hate for Arc is coming from.
There is very much things wrong with Arc. Just because you have no problems it does not mean it works for everyone. I cannot buy anything from the Zen store if I use Arc. That alone is reason to hate and not use it.
If it breaks the Zen store for some players how can you say nothing it wrong with Arc?
hate the hater publicly. cant decide if thats a potential flame or spam thread. anyways, when the choice between steam and arc comes, im going for the former as i already have my setup on that.
edit: thread merged. disregard.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
And herein lies the problem with Arc, and the reason I refuse to reinstall it.
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Because it's completely unnecessary and offers NOTHING in return for sucking up my metrics. What more reason do I need?
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Really, don't bother with it. There is a lot of irrational hatred against it, and you're just going to stir up trouble with the topic.
The legitimate concern I have with it is that I really don't need an extra website reader, I already got a browser. I just need something to launch my game, so I stay with the old launcher as long as I can.
If it works for you, it works for you.
The basic problem with Arc is that the tinfoil-hat brigade became terribly excited about "Chinese spyware", because of course we all have all this data on our home computers that the Chinese intelligence agency is anxious to get its hands on. (And equally of course, if such a thing were true, they couldn't possibly have slipped such a module into the existing game that you routinely update without ever actually parsing the data yourself...)
However, I've learned over time that arguing with such folks is futile - they'll use the lack of data as if it were an actual data point ("How do you know it's not stealing everything?"). There's no reasoning with positions like that.
Supporting ArC means you're willfully participating in the mass fragmentation of gaming into propietartary software platforms, something all gamers should rally against. Do you want to have to download distribution software for every single game released by a developer in the future because that's where we're headed. Do want to have to have a live internet connection for all games that we play so that developers can keep track of all of our gaming activities? Need I go on?
Yes because apart from concerns about it being malicious software, there's no way that the concern that arc becomes an absolute requirement is a legitimate one, right? Give me a break..
Wow thank you.
Having tested it on one possible configuration out of several thousand, you clearly are a technical genius to be able to surmise that it works perfectly.
You're probably the same guy who tested these things once, and found that:
1.) Lead in gasoline had no ill-effect on anything
2.) Red Dye #12 was good for you
3.) Thalidomide is an excellent anti-nausea medication
4.) Cigarette smoking is good for weight loss
5.) Chlorofluorocarbon are excellent refrigerants
I have more. These were tested 'once' and found not to have any problems.
QFT
I despise all Apple products for the same reason. Their proprietary business model stifles consumer choice and market innovation.
Most games currently come with patch facilities, often via launchers.
What is more fragmented - one such launcher/patcher tool in every game, or one launcher tool for every distributor or software company?
And considering the success of Steam - fragmentation might be vastly preferable over a monopoly.
Actually, it's in Boston, Massachusetts.
And until recently, it was a TRIBBLE-tastic bottle neck that kept A LOT of folks from playing the game reliably.
:cool:
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That's like saying you have an argument against icons because every application has it's own.
I'm SO important that the Chinese government needs to spy on my.