It's plain and simple. Every program/application that is running on your pc drains a portion of pc resources needed to operate. So does Arc. So if you, let's say, run only STO at a given moment when Arc comes you will run 2 programs instead of 1 on your pc.
Arc still needs to use the pc resources therefore slowing performance regardles if it is 1% or 25% depending on the machine age and quality. Not to mention that the 10GB reserved shtick is plainly put - idiotic.
It's not a question of wheather Arc slows the pc or not, is more of a question as to 'why'?
Why do I need to have a +1 program running in background that does absolutely nothing of benefit for me. Why should I be forced to have my pc slowed down or resource drained by an application I have absolutely no use whatsoever?
This ^^^^
Putting security concerns aside. Plain and simply, I don't need the damned thing already.
SOMEONE is going to benefit from this software, PWE certainly has spent a lot of time and resources developing and promoting it. I don't believe for a second it's just to make things
better for me.
Please stop telling me it's going to enhance my gaming experience, because that's flat out untrue. Your data should already tell you this. This doesn't help with the trust issue one damned bit.
Infact, I would even go so far as to say, that I bet it probably won't enhance anything for a majority of the players who play STO.
So what's the real angle here? Marketing? Fine, PWE has to make it's money, I get it. Find another way please.
You want to put software on my rig that I don't need? You want to use some of my limited resources for marketing purposes? Fine, just throw me some Zen for my trouble and I'll look at all the pretty little ads you want me to.
But as a gold member, I would like the option to opt out of Arc. My gold membership should at least afford me this.
You don't want to use it, don't use it. But stop frightening everybody else into thinking Arc is the end of STO.
Perhaps this can be addressed IF the devs actually came out and said WHAT made ARC so mission critical and actually addressed the concerns instead of blatantly ignoring the questions and concerns...
Personally, until those concerns are addressed/answered I will firmly believe that its spyware/bloatware and it will NOT find a home on my computer.
Don't let facts ruin your ideological fanaticism mm'kay?
Kneelift please, the skeptics have been trying to voice legitimate concerns about the security and purpose of this program but making statements like that just turns this discussion into a farce.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
ARC is redundant software, it cant do anything that I can't already do better with what I already have and even if everything about the software is 100% squeaky clean, I seriously doubt that PWE is capable of staying on top of keeping the software up to date in security like every other commercial and open source browser does.
Even if their hearts are true (which I believe in as much as a Moon made of cheese) the hearts of the hackers, gold farmers and all that ilk certainly won't be and they will be giving ARC a real good look too.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
Okay, so honest feedback. Well with Arc as it stands, it's okay. Not great, not really needed. I like some of the features, it has some potential. Will I use it, frankly no. Mostly because my machine is older. Can't afford anything better at the moment or in the foreseeable future as well. Reasons why are not really important but what is well without arc using just the normal launcher I have no issues logging into the game, playing the game at all. Launching from arc and if I made it into the game without crashing I would have thanked what ever divine powers of gaming I could. Tried launching the game with the normal launcher and arc running... Same issue. So for the two-cents that I can give on it. It's just not something I CAN! use, and really at the moment don't want to.
Space is vast, it's wonderful and maddening. Yet in that madness is some of the greatest beauty I have ever seen.
Kneelift please, the skeptics have been trying to voice legitimate concerns about the security and purpose of this program but making statements like that just turns this discussion into a farce.
People are brushing off the multitude of complaints and concerns about this already proven piece of spy/bloatware like it doesn't matter and to just "accept this and don't complain"....cause you know, that attitude has worked SO WELL in history.
ARC is cover for spyware, its been discussed on other websites that anyone with half a brain can go Google(tm).
But hey, go ahead, install it and watch what happens to your registry and resource allocations and such.
Why does a mostly decayed lich like Valindra Shadowmantle still have the TRIBBLE of a swimsuit model?
Because horny teenage males play these games, and they prefer the ones with the bustiest women. It is highly logical, if not really fair to women. I mean, if we get Orion slave girls and T'TRIBBLE the Vulcan from the season 7 launch images, why can't I get my Vulcan guy into some serious muscles, skimpy swim trunks and not much else? It's totally unfair to female players. Eye candy for all!
ok so basically I am going to be using a client program....to open up and use a client program....so I can open and use a client program.
I am not understanding why anyone would want to use arc or for that matter why the company would be pushing it.
Here is the issue....eventually it will be the only way to access the games....ok I get that....but the compatibility of this new launcher is not going to be there.
In addition now that you are pushing a single way to verify files and such you will make it easier for people to use hacks and whatever to modify the games....I site the nc soft launcher as an example of this.
The other negative factor I see to this.....is that you already have a website.....why would you need another client software that cant do as much as simply using a web browser...the answer is...because only a complete and total moron would come up with something like this.
I already can see you have some sales or marketing person who used to flunk their classes who came up with this idea....but since they flunked their classes as is noticeable they for example don't look at the big picture....nor do they look at what is already in place.
Right now you have a self contained game clients that can easily be erased or stopped or put on specific parts of some one's computer.
But this client will require the user to put software on specific drives and in specific locations and for what? To advertise what the user already gets from the website and email?
so anywise....that is my feed back.....I wont use another launcher to load a launcher...especially when this gives no value for what it does.
Power without Perception is Spiritually useless and therefore of no true value.
Rants like the above I can only imagine what happens when they lose in pvp. It's not the end of the world and rant like you're trying grasp your last breath to save the planet. They asked for feedback, respectful feedback.
A: I dont pvp anymore, my cheese wedge was too OP made people like you cry
B: intrusive and abusive data collection practices are wrong and illegal and any company that uses them deserves whatever attacks it receives because it is like an open declaration of war on the people who pay the companies salaries.
c: Spam is spam is spam is spam, PWE has no good games of its own in its entire history.. I dont was to be bugged with their garbage and apparently (if you read any of the prior posts) neither do many of the player base.
I really hope PW listens to the user. No arc. No ARC!
I like my client in steam. Its where all my freinds are. I dont like to have more bloatware. No need to develop such a thing. We as a user allready have so much apps and software, we dont need more pushed on us, just so we can play a game. Im not hearing good things about ARC, wich just adds to my apprehention of using it. No dam way arcgames!
When running STO through Arc, I can't get the Teamspeak overlay to display. I guess its because the Arc's overlay conflicts with the Teamspeak overlay. Probably, other overlays (such as overwolf) too. Arc should support or have own overlay plugins for popular voice communication software.
Also, the function "Add games" > "Add an existing game" does not work. It simply adds a shortcut to an EXE file. For example, I have Champions installed before Arc. I added it to the Arc using the "Add an existing game" fuction. It adds an icon to menu. No news, guides, forum links, etc. Then I choose to install Champions through arc, and it is treated as a completely different game, with news and guides this time. The icon for originally installed Champions is still there, no news, forums, guides etc.
A: I dont pvp anymore, my cheese wedge was too OP made people like you cry
B: intrusive and abusive data collection practices are wrong and illegal and any company that uses them deserves whatever attacks it receives because it is like an open declaration of war on the people who pay the companies salaries.
c: Spam is spam is spam is spam, PWE has no good games of its own in its entire history.. I dont was to be bugged with their garbage and apparently (if you read any of the prior posts) neither do many of the player base.
Get over it, it's coming whether you want it or not and the only person who is crying is you ranting on your original post. You could of simply posted, 'No to Arc.' We know players don't want it, myself included. And your B. is totally irrelevant to the game and why they introduced it, no one knows why exactly or how, no reason to get hostile. Take some cheese and relax, but either way we'll see what happens.
Anyone know of a way to get AdBlock Plus to work with this? I don't like the idea of dumpster diving to get to the button that launches the one game I actually want to play.
Kneelift please show me proof what you say is true, my cat-log would have alerted my to registry changes and transmissions of sensitive information. My cat-log will continue to run till I am satisfied nothing is wrong but as of yet I've not seen signs of spyware.
on to other problems:
visual issue here bad picture Memory cost here this is a big issue, while I have a lot of memory and my system can handle it, arc requires more memory than anything else I' running on my system while playing other than the OS itself.
on to other problems:
visual issue here bad picture Memory cost here this is a big issue, while I have a lot of memory and my system can handle it, arc requires more memory than anything else I' running on my system while playing other than the OS itself.
That's exactly what I have been talking about ever since this silly idea emerged. If Arc does nothing suspicious, not saying it does or doesn't, then what's the point of it having it run after I load up my game and start playing?
Does nothing suspicious, right? I have no use for it while I'm playing, right? So I'm basically running a program that drains my virtual memory for....nothing. :rolleyes:
I'm on the same boat with people who are against Arc, but I've been here for long enough to know that it's comming wheather we like it or not. Unless some global rebelion of the majority of the population of STO happens, which I highly doubt will, Arc will be implemented at a point in the future.
So with that in mind I strongly recomend making Arc optional, cause we have people that said they'll have benefit from it, but we have even more saying they only play STO and have no need for it. Or if for some strange reason they feel they have to make Arc mandatory, then damn....at least make it so we can close it after launching the game, I don't see what's the issue with that if they're sincere in their intentions.
As it is, it will be only a drainage of pc resources and will cause problems to some players with older machines which currently are able to run STO. They'll lose those people like it or not, cause I highly doubt someone would by a new pc over STO. If this was something essential and substantial, I'd undesrtand - technology goes on, we all need to get better pcs at a certain point. But this is basically for nothing, nothing that is essential for the game or the gameplay of an average customer.
My feedback: this feature/software is something I do not want, to the point that I will stop playing the game if and when ARC becomes mandatory. This is not brought about by fear of change or the temporary inconvenience of downloading and installing something new, but the fact that PWE is trying to force something I neither need nor want upon me.
I don't know what PWE's true goal with ARC is, exactly, but I do know that I don't need a launcher to launch a launcher to load a game. Unnecessary, reduntant, potentially problematic (security and privacy concerns). PWE's other games do not interest me in the slightest. That's not to say they couldn't publish something that does in the future, but ARC is not the means by which I'd be lured in - rather a threshold that guarantees I won't try their future titles.
I stopped spending money on this game when I first read about the plans to make ARC a requirement for running STO in that development blog. My LTS has paid itself back and I've had a lot of fun playing STO, so I'll leave without regrets if it comes to that. I'd rather stay and play, but not at the cost of installing ARC.
Give me a choice to opt out of this unpleasantness, or lose a customer. One of many.
That's exactly what I have been talking about ever since this silly idea emerged. If Arc does nothing suspicious, not saying it does or doesn't, then what's the point of it having it run after I load up my game and start playing?
Does nothing suspicious, right? I have no use for it while I'm playing, right? So I'm basically running a program that drains my virtual memory for....nothing. :rolleyes:
I'm on the same boat with people who are against Arc, but I've been here for long enough to know that it's comming wheather we like it or not. Unless some global rebelion of the majority of the population of STO happens, which I highly doubt will, Arc will be implemented at a point in the future.
So with that in mind I strongly recomend making Arc optional, cause we have people that said they'll have benefit from it, but we have even more saying they only play STO and have no need for it. Or if for some strange reason they feel they have to make Arc mandatory, then damn....at least make it so we can close it after launching the game, I don't see what's the issue with that if they're sincere in their intentions.
As it is, it will be only a drainage of pc resources and will cause problems to some players with older machines which currently are able to run STO. They'll lose those people like it or not, cause I highly doubt someone would by a new pc over STO. If this was something essential and substantial, I'd undesrtand - technology goes on, we all need to get better pcs at a certain point. But this is basically for nothing, nothing that is essential for the game or the gameplay of an average customer.
The main issue is ArcOSbrowser, which is the arc overlay and web browser within the overlay, 2 features I don't use, as I'm sure many others don't ether, yet there is no option to disable these so called "features" you can change the hot key to prevent accidental overlay issues but they still run at ready in the background. If these two processes could be disabled the arc client itself isn't that big and my laptop could handle it. As is I'm confined to my quarters where the more powerful computer is.
That's exactly what I have been talking about ever since this silly idea emerged. If Arc does nothing suspicious, not saying it does or doesn't, then what's the point of it having it run after I load up my game and start playing?
Does nothing suspicious, right? I have no use for it while I'm playing, right? So I'm basically running a program that drains my virtual memory for....nothing. :rolleyes:
I'm on the same boat with people who are against Arc, but I've been here for long enough to know that it's comming wheather we like it or not. Unless some global rebelion of the majority of the population of STO happens, which I highly doubt will, Arc will be implemented at a point in the future.
So with that in mind I strongly recomend making Arc optional, cause we have people that said they'll have benefit from it, but we have even more saying they only play STO and have no need for it. Or if for some strange reason they feel they have to make Arc mandatory, then damn....at least make it so we can close it after launching the game, I don't see what's the issue with that if they're sincere in their intentions.
As it is, it will be only a drainage of pc resources and will cause problems to some players with older machines which currently are able to run STO. They'll lose those people like it or not, cause I highly doubt someone would by a new pc over STO. If this was something essential and substantial, I'd undesrtand - technology goes on, we all need to get better pcs at a certain point. But this is basically for nothing, nothing that is essential for the game or the gameplay of an average customer.
This.
The whole Arc thing remind me Steam when it was launched. Half Life 2 needed Steam to work, while it was a solo game by itself (not talking of CS and TF2), and AFAIK, it was the first solo game to ask for an internet connection. Also, right in the EULA, they basically said our screenshots and savegames could totally be spied and used by them, and we had nothing to say. Everyone complain, I also did.
We also complain for Origin, for the same issues. Then again for Diablo3.
Few years later, nowadays, Steam is kind of gaming White Knight for many, and Diablo 3 was a success. How did they do ? Did they change anything ? No, Steam just made good prices on a load of games, basically buying us. And Diablo 3 sold because it was Diablo.
When people ask gamers to bend over, they complain a lot. But then, they still do it. When time passes, they forget. Sometimes they even start to like it, especially if you give them a cookie.
Arc is just the same. I don't like it, nobody like it. We will be forced to use it, and I'm pretty sure in some months or years from now, you will hear no complain.
I already have launcher for STO, I do not need another to launcher for my launcher.
Built in messenger: there is already chat, I have little to no need to chat with people outside the game.
In-game overlay/browser: security risk, will not be using it.
I haven't installed the ARC to my computers. I find the reported resource hogging concerning.
Hope there will be options to disable most if not all features of ARC.
Checked the web side of ARC (arcgames.com/en/ and games.arcgames.com/en/prod/star-trek-online).
Not sure if I had mistakenly entered adult entertainment site or a lingerie catalog, though I think both will give a fair warning before entering. After getting over the onslaught of bewbs, the site seems very similar to Steam.
For the STO site: get rid of the scroll bar of PWE games, people are there to look at STO.
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This ^^^^
Putting security concerns aside. Plain and simply, I don't need the damned thing already.
SOMEONE is going to benefit from this software, PWE certainly has spent a lot of time and resources developing and promoting it. I don't believe for a second it's just to make things
better for me.
Please stop telling me it's going to enhance my gaming experience, because that's flat out untrue. Your data should already tell you this. This doesn't help with the trust issue one damned bit.
Infact, I would even go so far as to say, that I bet it probably won't enhance anything for a majority of the players who play STO.
So what's the real angle here? Marketing? Fine, PWE has to make it's money, I get it. Find another way please.
You want to put software on my rig that I don't need? You want to use some of my limited resources for marketing purposes? Fine, just throw me some Zen for my trouble and I'll look at all the pretty little ads you want me to.
But as a gold member, I would like the option to opt out of Arc. My gold membership should at least afford me this.
That's my sincere feedback. Thanks for listening.
wow, okay... have fun with that
Don't let facts ruin your ideological fanaticism mm'kay?
Perhaps this can be addressed IF the devs actually came out and said WHAT made ARC so mission critical and actually addressed the concerns instead of blatantly ignoring the questions and concerns...
Personally, until those concerns are addressed/answered I will firmly believe that its spyware/bloatware and it will NOT find a home on my computer.
I can launch STO and CO from the same launcher already and I'm not interested in any other PWE game U_U"
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
Even if their hearts are true (which I believe in as much as a Moon made of cheese) the hearts of the hackers, gold farmers and all that ilk certainly won't be and they will be giving ARC a real good look too.
People are brushing off the multitude of complaints and concerns about this already proven piece of spy/bloatware like it doesn't matter and to just "accept this and don't complain"....cause you know, that attitude has worked SO WELL in history.
ARC is cover for spyware, its been discussed on other websites that anyone with half a brain can go Google(tm).
But hey, go ahead, install it and watch what happens to your registry and resource allocations and such.
Okay!
Why does a mostly decayed lich like Valindra Shadowmantle still have the TRIBBLE of a swimsuit model?
Necromantic energies preserve undead villains in a state that is both alluring and disgusting. It's one of the rules of magic.
Because horny teenage males play these games, and they prefer the ones with the bustiest women. It is highly logical, if not really fair to women. I mean, if we get Orion slave girls and T'TRIBBLE the Vulcan from the season 7 launch images, why can't I get my Vulcan guy into some serious muscles, skimpy swim trunks and not much else? It's totally unfair to female players. Eye candy for all!
I am not understanding why anyone would want to use arc or for that matter why the company would be pushing it.
Here is the issue....eventually it will be the only way to access the games....ok I get that....but the compatibility of this new launcher is not going to be there.
In addition now that you are pushing a single way to verify files and such you will make it easier for people to use hacks and whatever to modify the games....I site the nc soft launcher as an example of this.
The other negative factor I see to this.....is that you already have a website.....why would you need another client software that cant do as much as simply using a web browser...the answer is...because only a complete and total moron would come up with something like this.
I already can see you have some sales or marketing person who used to flunk their classes who came up with this idea....but since they flunked their classes as is noticeable they for example don't look at the big picture....nor do they look at what is already in place.
Right now you have a self contained game clients that can easily be erased or stopped or put on specific parts of some one's computer.
But this client will require the user to put software on specific drives and in specific locations and for what? To advertise what the user already gets from the website and email?
so anywise....that is my feed back.....I wont use another launcher to load a launcher...especially when this gives no value for what it does.
Power without Perception is Spiritually useless and therefore of no true value.
=^_^=
I like my client in steam. Its where all my freinds are. I dont like to have more bloatware. No need to develop such a thing. We as a user allready have so much apps and software, we dont need more pushed on us, just so we can play a game. Im not hearing good things about ARC, wich just adds to my apprehention of using it. No dam way arcgames!
Also, the function "Add games" > "Add an existing game" does not work. It simply adds a shortcut to an EXE file. For example, I have Champions installed before Arc. I added it to the Arc using the "Add an existing game" fuction. It adds an icon to menu. No news, guides, forum links, etc. Then I choose to install Champions through arc, and it is treated as a completely different game, with news and guides this time. The icon for originally installed Champions is still there, no news, forums, guides etc.
Get over it, it's coming whether you want it or not and the only person who is crying is you ranting on your original post. You could of simply posted, 'No to Arc.' We know players don't want it, myself included. And your B. is totally irrelevant to the game and why they introduced it, no one knows why exactly or how, no reason to get hostile. Take some cheese and relax, but either way we'll see what happens.
on to other problems:
visual issue here bad picture
Memory cost here this is a big issue, while I have a lot of memory and my system can handle it, arc requires more memory than anything else I' running on my system while playing other than the OS itself.
That's exactly what I have been talking about ever since this silly idea emerged. If Arc does nothing suspicious, not saying it does or doesn't, then what's the point of it having it run after I load up my game and start playing?
Does nothing suspicious, right? I have no use for it while I'm playing, right? So I'm basically running a program that drains my virtual memory for....nothing. :rolleyes:
I'm on the same boat with people who are against Arc, but I've been here for long enough to know that it's comming wheather we like it or not. Unless some global rebelion of the majority of the population of STO happens, which I highly doubt will, Arc will be implemented at a point in the future.
So with that in mind I strongly recomend making Arc optional, cause we have people that said they'll have benefit from it, but we have even more saying they only play STO and have no need for it. Or if for some strange reason they feel they have to make Arc mandatory, then damn....at least make it so we can close it after launching the game, I don't see what's the issue with that if they're sincere in their intentions.
As it is, it will be only a drainage of pc resources and will cause problems to some players with older machines which currently are able to run STO. They'll lose those people like it or not, cause I highly doubt someone would by a new pc over STO. If this was something essential and substantial, I'd undesrtand - technology goes on, we all need to get better pcs at a certain point. But this is basically for nothing, nothing that is essential for the game or the gameplay of an average customer.
I don't know what PWE's true goal with ARC is, exactly, but I do know that I don't need a launcher to launch a launcher to load a game. Unnecessary, reduntant, potentially problematic (security and privacy concerns). PWE's other games do not interest me in the slightest. That's not to say they couldn't publish something that does in the future, but ARC is not the means by which I'd be lured in - rather a threshold that guarantees I won't try their future titles.
I stopped spending money on this game when I first read about the plans to make ARC a requirement for running STO in that development blog. My LTS has paid itself back and I've had a lot of fun playing STO, so I'll leave without regrets if it comes to that. I'd rather stay and play, but not at the cost of installing ARC.
Give me a choice to opt out of this unpleasantness, or lose a customer. One of many.
The main issue is ArcOSbrowser, which is the arc overlay and web browser within the overlay, 2 features I don't use, as I'm sure many others don't ether, yet there is no option to disable these so called "features" you can change the hot key to prevent accidental overlay issues but they still run at ready in the background. If these two processes could be disabled the arc client itself isn't that big and my laptop could handle it. As is I'm confined to my quarters where the more powerful computer is.
The whole Arc thing remind me Steam when it was launched. Half Life 2 needed Steam to work, while it was a solo game by itself (not talking of CS and TF2), and AFAIK, it was the first solo game to ask for an internet connection. Also, right in the EULA, they basically said our screenshots and savegames could totally be spied and used by them, and we had nothing to say. Everyone complain, I also did.
We also complain for Origin, for the same issues. Then again for Diablo3.
Few years later, nowadays, Steam is kind of gaming White Knight for many, and Diablo 3 was a success. How did they do ? Did they change anything ? No, Steam just made good prices on a load of games, basically buying us. And Diablo 3 sold because it was Diablo.
When people ask gamers to bend over, they complain a lot. But then, they still do it. When time passes, they forget. Sometimes they even start to like it, especially if you give them a cookie.
Arc is just the same. I don't like it, nobody like it. We will be forced to use it, and I'm pretty sure in some months or years from now, you will hear no complain.
I already have launcher for STO, I do not need another to launcher for my launcher.
Built in messenger: there is already chat, I have little to no need to chat with people outside the game.
In-game overlay/browser: security risk, will not be using it.
I haven't installed the ARC to my computers. I find the reported resource hogging concerning.
Hope there will be options to disable most if not all features of ARC.
Checked the web side of ARC (arcgames.com/en/ and games.arcgames.com/en/prod/star-trek-online).
Not sure if I had mistakenly entered adult entertainment site or a lingerie catalog, though I think both will give a fair warning before entering. After getting over the onslaught of bewbs, the site seems very similar to Steam.
For the STO site: get rid of the scroll bar of PWE games, people are there to look at STO.