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Re: Voth Bulwark Dreadnought Cruiser and New DOFF Promo

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  • mccarronxldmccarronxld Member Posts: 68 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    All I want to know is.. is it BoE? :)
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  • no09dysonsphereno09dysonsphere Member Posts: 410 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Easy fix nerf the turn rate to 4. The thing is so huge it should have a terrible time turning anyway and that'll encourage use of the 3 pc set for the decloak turn rate boost to counteract it.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    solemkof wrote: »
    You may want to reread the news article:

    and what happen if you dont have all 3 console ???? a real battle cloak are integrated into the ship the voth battle cloak is a gimmick and nothing more than a gimmick sooner some see this the QQing can stop
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • megacharge07megacharge07 Member Posts: 476 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    vocmcp wrote: »
    Seriously?

    1 Commander Eng / 1 Ltd. Com Universal
    5 Eng consoles
    45k Hull
    1.2 Shield modifier
    Indistructible Repair ships that fully restore you
    and a battle cloak if that's still not enough to survive

    And now imagine that ship on an a2b Engineer incl. miracle worker and grace under fire.

    ARE YOU KIDDING ME???!!!

    Link: http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=1068161

    EDIT: Before the merge this thread was originally called "OP bulwark ship".

    What good is a ship with OP survivability when it can't DPS?

    The Bulwark is OP, but not where it counts. Useless thread.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    All I know is its one more gimmick ship I will never fly as I cant buy the Doff packs to ppen enough to get it.
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  • mccarronxldmccarronxld Member Posts: 68 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Just venting my frustrations.

    How rare is rare supposed to be, again?
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  • kjwashingtonkjwashington Member Posts: 2,529 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Lockboxes are a scam, if you had sold those keys on the exchange instead, you could have gotten all three Voth ships probably.
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  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    .4% or .04%

    So 1 every 250 or 2500 boxes...but remember, that isn't exactly a guarantee.
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  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Approximately 0.5% give or take a bit.

    but you could open 1 and get 1 or open a thousand and get nothing. when the odds are that low they are almost meaningless.
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  • mccarronxldmccarronxld Member Posts: 68 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Indeed. Only reason I gambled with it was because I needed lobi anyway.
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  • cerealplayercerealplayer Member Posts: 214 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Just venting my frustrations.

    How rare is rare supposed to be, again?

    Thank you for supporting Cryptic, and STO!
  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited December 2013
    dahminus wrote: »
    .4% or .04%

    So 1 every 250 or 2500 boxes...but remember, that isn't exactly a guarantee.

    Nope. Your math is incorrect because each roll is independent. I think it is closer to this

    1- (1 - 0.04)^x = .5 where x is the number of open boxes and .5 is 50% chance of getting the ship. You can type this into Wolfram Alpha.

    Safe to say that you need hundreds of open boxes ON AVERAGE to have a 50 _ 50 chance of getting and thousands to have 99% chance of getting it.

    Obviously it is random so you could get it 5 tries or it. Or it could take 5000.
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  • voporakvoporak Member Posts: 5,621 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    A normal lock box's chance is .5%. Given that a master key is 125 zen and a doff pack is 275 zen, the chances of getting the Bulwark (or JHAS, depending which is being given away) is 1.1%. That means that, on average, you'd need to open about 90 of them (just to meet the mathematical average), which is $247.50 USD. Let's say that each doff pack goes for only 4M ec on the exchange. Even at that price, 90 packs is 360M ec.

    It's current going price is 6.5M, making you 585M ec if you sold them all.
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  • no09dysonsphereno09dysonsphere Member Posts: 410 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    voporak wrote: »
    A normal lock box's chance is .5%. Given that a master key is 125 zen and a doff pack is 275 zen, the chances of getting the Bulwark (or JHAS, depending which is being given away) is 1.1%. That means that, on average, you'd need to open about 90 of them (just to meet the mathematical average), which is $247.50 USD. Let's say that each doff pack goes for only 4M ec on the exchange. Even at that price, 90 packs is 360M ec.

    It's current going price is 6.5M, making you 585M ec if you sold them all.

    tldr: if you want a specific item from a lockbox you should sell the keys and buy the item, only play lockboxes if you're ok with getting ALL the prizes.
  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,333 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    tldr: if you want a specific item from a lockbox you should sell the keys and buy the item, only play lockboxes if you're ok with getting ALL the prizes.

    EDIT - and what happened to the voth ship is a giant ***** thread?

    Removed for violating the tos. So you might wanna change that post.
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  • no09dysonsphereno09dysonsphere Member Posts: 410 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    westx211 wrote: »
    Removed for violating the tos. So you might wanna change that post.

    *shrugs* it was a perfectly fair criticism of the artwork, the only Voth ship true to the voyager episode is the palisade, the bastion and bulwark are supposed to be based off the city ship but the extra appendages ruin the effect

    imo the voth ships on the show looked organic and sto's designs are techno futuristic
  • jumpingjsjumpingjs Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Just venting my frustrations.

    How rare is rare supposed to be, again?


    I honestly feel sorry for you. Cryptic are really wrecking peoples' lives you know.

    This poor guy probably gave up a lot to lose $200 in one sitting, especially on Gambling... :(
    Hopefully I'll come back from my break; this break is fun; I play intellectual games.

    I hope STO get's better ...
  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    jumpingjs wrote: »
    I honestly feel sorry for you. Cryptic are really wrecking peoples' lives you know.

    This poor guy probably gave up a lot to lose $200 in one sitting, especially on Gambling... :(

    Sounds like poor decision-making is wrecking people's lives to me, unless you have evidence that Cryptic puts a gun to people's heads and demands they spend that money or be shot. :rolleyes:
  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    $200 Worth of Zen and No Bulwark Cruiser

    Wish I had $200 to waste on gambling! ;)

    10 master keys are 956 right now...
    so 200 keys going for, lets say, 1.3M each on exchange... 260M EC.

    No Bulwark but you got a TRIBBLE-load of doffs and lobi, right? :D
  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,333 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Umm keys are going for like 1.7 last I checked. That would be like 340mil which could be enough to get a bulwark.
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  • mwhitakermwhitaker Member Posts: 131 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    No thank you. Why would I want to torture myself with the TRIBBLE that is Voyager? But my memory is fine. THE CITY SHIP DOES NOT CLOAK.

    Sir you have crossed the line. VOY was the best series out of the 5, if not a tie with TNG. The Mexican klingon and wtf-ian chef just dragged the show down. Those were two god-awful roles.
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  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,333 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    mwhitaker wrote: »
    Sir you have crossed the line. VOY was the best series out of the 5, if not a tie with TNG. The Mexican klingon and wtf-ian chef just dragged the show down. Those were two god-awful roles.

    Mexican Klingon? Man I knew janeway wasn't entirely human!
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  • amalefactoramalefactor Member Posts: 511 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    mwhitaker wrote: »
    Sir you have crossed the line. VOY was the best series out of the 5, if not a tie with TNG. The Mexican klingon and wtf-ian chef just dragged the show down. Those were two god-awful roles.

    It's one thing to like or dislike a series, but it's another to point out an ethnicity to determine why you don't like a series.

    Come on, I take it you'd only be happy with a pasty all-Anglo Saxon cast? You may even call it "normal" or something equally funny?

    Scream "PC" or whatever all you want, but this post was eye-rollingly bad.
  • xlocutusofborgxxlocutusofborgx Member Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Bought one DOF pack when the promotion went live, and got the ship. Now that's some good luck compared to the other times I've tried a few things.
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Bought one DOF pack when the promotion went live, and got the ship. Now that's some good luck compared to the other times I've tried a few things.

    you is one lucky blah blah blah
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • alan171717alan171717 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Bought one DOF pack when the promotion went live, and got the ship. Now that's some good luck compared to the other times I've tried a few things.

    If you open more, and are as lucky, remember your fleet mates :o;)
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  • mwhitakermwhitaker Member Posts: 131 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    It's one thing to like or dislike a series, but it's another to point out an ethnicity to determine why you don't like a series.

    Come on, I take it you'd only be happy with a pasty all-Anglo Saxon cast? You may even call it "normal" or something equally funny?

    Scream "PC" or whatever all you want, but this post was eye-rollingly bad.

    It's not about ethnicity. It's just the character. Could've been an aryan for all I care, still would've been as bad. Also how am I pointing out that I dislikes series? Voyager was my favorite.
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  • vhiranikosvhiranikos Member Posts: 208 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    As is the case with all gambling packs, its better if you just sell the means to open the pack or in this case the doff pack itself on the exchange and use the EC you make to buy what you want.
  • unangbangkayunangbangkay Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    mwhitaker wrote: »
    It's not about ethnicity. It's just the character. Could've been an aryan for all I care, still would've been as bad. Also how am I pointing out that I dislikes series? Voyager was my favorite.

    Yes, but why single B'elanna torres out as a "Mexican Klingon"? If you wanted to say her character was bad, why bring her ethnicity into it? It was hardly her defining trait as a character on Voyager (compared to, say, Chakotay as "the native american one"), after all.

    Do you identify Jean-Luc Picard as "the Anglo-Franco-man"?
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