It's an alien ship, so everyone can have it. No problem for me there.
The only sad thing I think of this ship, is that it's not just very similar to the Voth Bastion Flight-Deck, but actually better than a 1 month old Lockbox ship.
Cow milking much, no?
Having a quick check on sto.gamepedia.org, the "observed" drop rate for the high end ship from a Lock box run between 0.18% and 0.5%. I'd say closer to the low end for this ship.
The blog posts says the drop rate has been "normalised" with the drop rate you would expect from a Lock Box. So at 125 Zen per Master Key vs 275 Zen per DOff Pack, you could assume that it will be 2.2 times more frequent, so approx. 0.4% or 1 in 250 chance.
But this is all guess work and you could quite easily open 500 and not get one, but someone else is lucky first time.
Best way is not get the packs for the ship, but be really happy if it does happen.
If it were 1 in 5, or even 1 in 10, I'd probably go for it. 1 in 250-ish, or even 1 in 50, forgetti.
IIRC, its 10 lobi? I'm still a relative newbie but 10 lobi sounds very small for 275 zen.
As for the Doffs, I'm hesitant to expand my slots and working with what I've got.
I -might- buy one (1)....
I'm saving my lobi, I've got maybe 200, and someday, when I am inclined, I'll browse the lobi vendor, until then I'm hording my lobi waiting for that "announcement" that will require lobi and I'll have some on hand.
Maybe when I start working in the 3 digit and 4 digit dili numbers I'll reconsider.
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I bought the Voth Bulwark off the exchange last night for 280 mill and then turned around and sold it back for 360 mill, darn if I had bothered to read its stats and abilities I would have kept the thing
Takes 3 consoles for it, and that isn't worthwhile enough to use. Hell, I'd love to see a person MAKE it work. I'd pay money to watch it actually de-cloak and kill someone. Thissler, where are you?!?
HOWEVER, on the other end of the spectrum, I also can understand Macronius' worry about it starting a 'trend' in eventually giving an actual BC directly to the Federation at some point. Not necessarily that it'd be a bad thing, more that I worry about if they would actually give it a cost still compared to the other two factions. I feel that BC should certainly have SOME kind of cost, as the ships that do have it have that cost.
At first I thought it was odd, then I laughed a little, and then I figured in the end the price would even surpass the JHAS.
The way I see it...especially being a Romulan is this ship is well basically a inferior Scimitar. We all know Feds have been whining about wanting their own Scimitar since before the ship was even released. But the thing is inferior to the Scimitar in almost every way except for where tanking comes up, yes this thing is a better tank than the Scim but who tanks these days when with a group of Scimitars you can dps everything down in a elite stf in just 3 minutes.
But lets look besides the Tankiness of the Bulwark, It's less suitable for damage...with its two tac consoles you aren't gonna get much bang for the buck and could get more from even a DD or Ha'apax. Lose the Cmdr tac which means you lose out on APB or APO III. You can give her cannons and some RCS consoles for alpha strike punch, but lets be honest with 2 tac consoles that doesn't leave much punch.
One the same roll as dps, the Scimitar has the drone ships which are one of the best dps hangar pets, where as of right now the heavy fighters are one of the worst. The WATCTL is kinda cool but it's a novelty and almost anyone serious enough to spend the kinda EC to get this will most likely chuck it for another energy weapon.
She isn't very agile, only a little more inertia than the Scimitar, but doesn't have the bonus to turning that Romulan battle cloak has. Then there is the fact you need to give up 3 console slots to have this battle cloak.
Battle cloak isn't the god mode some people make it out to be and even if it is...my god mode is better than yours! :P
But being serious and a Romulan I say let them have this, maybe it will shut up all those Feds should get battle cloak threads, I doubt it but we can hope can't we? But I figure once people realize how much they wasted on this battle cloak and that the ships aren't so great they will return to asking for BC for their Defiants and Avengers.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
Yeah Cryptic, I used your favorite phrase. But this time it is not hyperbole. I know that BC Roms as a backhanded way to give Feds BC ... when KDF could only get them on feeble raiders. For a short time you feigned friendship to the KDF by offering a copy cat of the Avenger and a yet to be release raider. We were excited. And not 2 weeks pass since Mogh and we get BC Bulwark.
You go and hand BC WITHOUT power penalty of singularity drive to Feds. Incredible! Apart from this being a very shameless P2W ship with outrageous stats ... you go and take the last bit of uniqueness away from KDF factions.
Congratulations for destroying one of the coolest factions ever! GG :rolleyes:
Once again the same old dribble of P2W queue the violin section... Cryptic didn't you know you aren't supposed to make stronger ships to encourage purchases?... Where are your manners? You are not allowed to make money and by gosh if you are a player and have money heaven forbid you may buy a better ship because those without choose not to grind away to get it.
I have never seen such sniveling from Klingons... I have three Klingons and blah blah blah... They aren't going to suffer because of some lockbox ship. I hope for the day when Cryptic releases a ship and someone doesn't cry P2W and a Klink doesn't cry that they are neglected or abused.
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It is a slippery slope to BC for Feds. First it was the Roms, then it is this and soon it will be a BC console for Fed ships (or innate to a new ship). Predictably, players simply eat it up since most are Feds and this is their latest shiny toy.
Besides the fact that it wont happen on a starfleet ship, you're getting more of a challenge... It is a good day to die!
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Guess the op has not heard about the next Fed 3 pack - a section 31 super stealth phased battlecloaking raider!! If your going in - you might was well go all in.;)
It is a slippery slope to BC for Feds. First it was the Roms, then it is this and soon it will be a BC console for Fed ships (or innate to a new ship). Predictably, players simply eat it up since most are Feds and this is their latest shiny toy.
I know that this post is a bit old now, being like 5 pages back and all and if my point has been made already then feel free to ignore this. However, having seen your recent posts on this thread I have to say that you sir are a gigantic drama queen and make me ashamed to play the KDF.
Yes, the KDF have need of new ships, yes, its easy to feel that the Feds and Roms get better stuff more often. However, that does not excuse going on uninformed rants. You said that without the power drain, it was a slap to the face of the KDF except that it costs 3 console slots. Which to my mind is a bigger drawback than the drain! You said it was a battle-cloak, except that it operates differently from one. All you are doing is making yourself and all of the KDF look bad, so please stop if you haven't already.
When you go off on a rant like this, it actually hurts the KDF. I don't know if you've noticed, but we have a reputation as a group that whines a lot. It doesn';t matter if we feel it is deserved, and every time someone sees a rant like this it gets worse.
Is this new ship overpowered? Yes. Would I rather it was cut back a bit? Again, yes.
Ad hominem attacks don't make your argument stronger. I stand by my comment that this is encroaching on KDF's only remaining unique angle. You can defend Cryptic all day long without resorting to personal attacks don't you know.
I know that this post is a bit old now, being like 5 pages back and all and if my point has been made already then feel free to ignore this. However, having seen your recent posts on this thread I have to say that you sir are a gigantic drama queen and make me ashamed to play the KDF.
Yes, the KDF have need of new ships, yes, its easy to feel that the Feds and Roms get better stuff more often. However, that does not excuse going on uninformed rants. You said that without the power drain, it was a slap to the face of the KDF except that it costs 3 console slots. Which to my mind is a bigger drawback than the drain! You said it was a battle-cloak, except that it operates differently from one. All you are doing is making yourself and all of the KDF look bad, so please stop if you haven't already.
When you go off on a rant like this, it actually hurts the KDF. I don't know if you've noticed, but we have a reputation as a group that whines a lot. It doesn';t matter if we feel it is deserved, and every time someone sees a rant like this it gets worse.
Is this new ship overpowered? Yes. Would I rather it was cut back a bit? Again, yes.
Does that make it an insult to the KDF? No.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Ad hominem attacks don't make your argument stronger. I stand by my comment that this is encroaching on KDF's only remaining unique angle. You can defend Cryptic all day long without resorting to personal attacks don't you know.
I'll note that your only response was to complain about an Ad hominem (Which I had not, in fact, made) and you didn't even address the rest of my post. Also, the best part is that you accused me of an ad hominem, while at the same time also trying to pull a poisoning the well fallacy.
Battle Cloak isn't a "unique" mechanic to the KDF. Romulans have that market cornered. Klinks had ONE ship that could Battle Cloak as a gimmick. It was hardly the unique, defining feature of the KDF you're trying to make it out to be. Try again.
Battle Cloak isn't a "unique" mechanic to the KDF. Romulans have that market cornered. Klinks had ONE ship that could Battle Cloak as a gimmick. It was hardly the unique, defining feature of the KDF you're trying to make it out to be. Try again.
And the KDF paid for cloaks, battle and regular, with noticeably reduced stats. Roms tend to have higher stats than comparable ships with battlecloak seemingly thrown in as a freeby.
I'll note that your only response was to complain about an Ad hominem (Which I had not, in fact, made) and you didn't even address the rest of my post.
Calling me a drama queen is not a personal attack? LMAO ... btw also offensive for other reasons as well so you should refrain from using that label.
And yes I reiterated my point again. It is a steady progression of disseminating cloaks and battle cloak like powers to everyone. See my little list:
1. Standard cloak on Defiant and Galaxy x
2. Placate and Rom signularity cloak as tier V power
3. Roms as fed aligned characters
4. Lock box ships that give a battle cloak ... albeit at a very high cost
If you can't see that progression then there is nothing really more for me to say. If you can't see the ever quickening pace of lock boxes and massive power creep since Season 7 (geometric progression as Mr. Spock would say) then once again ...
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
And the KDF paid for cloaks, battle and regular, with noticeably reduced stats. Roms tend to have higher stats than comparable ships with battlecloak seemingly thrown in as a freeby.
Thank you. It is so hard to have an even tempered and balanced argument with all Fed fans here.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Calling me a drama queen is not a personal attack? LMAO ... btw also offensive for other reasons as well so you should refrain from using that label.
And yes I reiterated my point again. It is a steady progression of disseminating cloaks and battle cloak like powers to everyone. See my little list:
1. Standard cloak on Defiant and Galaxy x
2. Placate and Rom signularity cloak as tier V power
3. Roms as fed aligned characters
4. Lock box ships that give a battle cloak ... albeit at a very high cost
If you can't see that progression then there is nothing really more for me to say. If you can't see the ever quickening pace of lock boxes and massive power creep since Season 7 (geometric progression as Mr. Spock would say) then once again ...
And you haven't done the same thing? I mean literally seconds after replying to me, you said -- and I quote -- ''Thank you. It is so hard to have an even tempered and balanced argument with all Fed fans here.''
Now, that isn't so bad. I do play Feds, just not as my main but the thing is, you've also accused me of protecting cryptic when I made no moves to so. Again, refer to my first post. I said I disliked the new ship and wanted it cut down. But then, anything you don't like has to be protecting cryptic, doesn't it?
So, let's get back to the point you made. I called you a drama queen,and if you honestly took great offense at that I do apologize but my argument hardly relied on it, and your own actions do little to put false the name.
You came in and whined about two things that were both proven false and are now desperately back-peddling to refuse admitting that you either didn't do the research before complaining, or that you complained regardless. As I said, what you did gives a bad name to the entire KDF and our reputation is bad enough already in that regard.
So long story short? Next time, look up the ship before complaining. Think about what it actually means in the game world, and for the love of STO, don't make ''blame Feds'' or ''blame Roms'' the default answer to anything.
Not at all false. It is a battle cloak light. And calling the backlash for what it is ... does not mean attack. Like I said, it is a face slap to KDF and MOAR power to rich Feds.
And you haven't done the same thing? I mean literally seconds after replying to me, you said -- and I quote -- ''Thank you. It is so hard to have an even tempered and balanced argument with all Fed fans here.''
Now, that isn't so bad. I do play Feds, just not as my main but the thing is, you've also accused me of protecting cryptic when I made no moves to so. Again, refer to my first post. I said I disliked the new ship and wanted it cut down. But then, anything you don't like has to be protecting cryptic, doesn't it?
So, let's get back to the point you made. I called you a drama queen,and if you honestly took great offense at that I do apologize but my argument hardly relied on it, and your own actions do little to put false the name.
You came in and whined about two things that were both proven false and are now desperately back-peddling to refuse admitting that you either didn't do the research before complaining, or that you complained regardless. As I said, what you did gives a bad name to the entire KDF and our reputation is bad enough already in that regard.
So long story short? Next time, look up the ship before complaining. Think about what it actually means in the game world, and for the love of STO, don't make ''blame Feds'' or ''blame Roms'' the default answer to anything.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Not at all false. It is a battle cloak light. And calling the backlash for what it is ... does not mean attack. Like I said, it is a face slap to KDF and MOAR power to rich Feds.
Point one, here is this thing you have with the Feds again. Why is it that when someone argues against you? (Someone who has admitted, BTW to a KDF main) they're defending the Feds? Why is it that when a ship is in general overpowerd, its more power to rich Feds? Even if we go strictly by what you say, the ship doesn't go to any faction; anyone can use it.
Point the second, its not a battle cloak. Its a type of cloaking yes, but it is not a battle cloak. You have declared it to be a type of battle cloak for the sake of your rant, but no one except you has even referred to it as a battle cloak.
The thing that confuses me is that you honestly don't seem to understand that a fellow KDF player can argue with you without being a Fed. I mean ,it links back to what I said earlier. When people disagree? They're feds. When people continue? They're feds defending cryptic. Isn't it possible that maybe -- just maybe -- they're KDF who have a different opinion than you?
Point the second, its not a battle cloak. Its a type of cloaking yes, but it is not a battle cloak. You have declared it to be a type of battle cloak for the sake of your rant, but no one except you has even referred to it as a battle cloak.
I retract my statement that it is not a battle cloak in that case, however, I maintain that it may not be the same as the ones currently in use and also would like to point out that it doesn't diminish my point in the slightest. Even for a true battle-cloak, three console slots is a fair price.
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the kdf got a strong mogh cruiser just recently to match the feds.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
The only sad thing I think of this ship, is that it's not just very similar to the Voth Bastion Flight-Deck, but actually better than a 1 month old Lockbox ship.
Cow milking much, no?
The blog posts says the drop rate has been "normalised" with the drop rate you would expect from a Lock Box. So at 125 Zen per Master Key vs 275 Zen per DOff Pack, you could assume that it will be 2.2 times more frequent, so approx. 0.4% or 1 in 250 chance.
But this is all guess work and you could quite easily open 500 and not get one, but someone else is lucky first time.
Best way is not get the packs for the ship, but be really happy if it does happen.
i thought the 3 piece was for voth ships only?
IIRC, its 10 lobi? I'm still a relative newbie but 10 lobi sounds very small for 275 zen.
As for the Doffs, I'm hesitant to expand my slots and working with what I've got.
I -might- buy one (1)....
I'm saving my lobi, I've got maybe 200, and someday, when I am inclined, I'll browse the lobi vendor, until then I'm hording my lobi waiting for that "announcement" that will require lobi and I'll have some on hand.
Maybe when I start working in the 3 digit and 4 digit dili numbers I'll reconsider.
Feel free to ignore the fact that Romulans can also ally with the KDF.
Also, since this is clearly a DOOOM thread - your stuff, may I have it?
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I bought the Voth Bulwark off the exchange last night for 280 mill and then turned around and sold it back for 360 mill, darn if I had bothered to read its stats and abilities I would have kept the thing
There's a lot of face slapping going on.
I've just never seen the term used so much.
I've actually been slapped in the face before. I don't think it means what MMO communities think it means
SLAP!!
Cooold blooded
I believe they said "ITS A SLAP!"
At first I thought it was odd, then I laughed a little, and then I figured in the end the price would even surpass the JHAS.
The way I see it...especially being a Romulan is this ship is well basically a inferior Scimitar. We all know Feds have been whining about wanting their own Scimitar since before the ship was even released. But the thing is inferior to the Scimitar in almost every way except for where tanking comes up, yes this thing is a better tank than the Scim but who tanks these days when with a group of Scimitars you can dps everything down in a elite stf in just 3 minutes.
But lets look besides the Tankiness of the Bulwark, It's less suitable for damage...with its two tac consoles you aren't gonna get much bang for the buck and could get more from even a DD or Ha'apax. Lose the Cmdr tac which means you lose out on APB or APO III. You can give her cannons and some RCS consoles for alpha strike punch, but lets be honest with 2 tac consoles that doesn't leave much punch.
One the same roll as dps, the Scimitar has the drone ships which are one of the best dps hangar pets, where as of right now the heavy fighters are one of the worst. The WATCTL is kinda cool but it's a novelty and almost anyone serious enough to spend the kinda EC to get this will most likely chuck it for another energy weapon.
She isn't very agile, only a little more inertia than the Scimitar, but doesn't have the bonus to turning that Romulan battle cloak has. Then there is the fact you need to give up 3 console slots to have this battle cloak.
Battle cloak isn't the god mode some people make it out to be and even if it is...my god mode is better than yours! :P
But being serious and a Romulan I say let them have this, maybe it will shut up all those Feds should get battle cloak threads, I doubt it but we can hope can't we? But I figure once people realize how much they wasted on this battle cloak and that the ships aren't so great they will return to asking for BC for their Defiants and Avengers.
Once again the same old dribble of P2W queue the violin section... Cryptic didn't you know you aren't supposed to make stronger ships to encourage purchases?... Where are your manners? You are not allowed to make money and by gosh if you are a player and have money heaven forbid you may buy a better ship because those without choose not to grind away to get it.
I have never seen such sniveling from Klingons... I have three Klingons and blah blah blah... They aren't going to suffer because of some lockbox ship. I hope for the day when Cryptic releases a ship and someone doesn't cry P2W and a Klink doesn't cry that they are neglected or abused.
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Besides the fact that it wont happen on a starfleet ship, you're getting more of a challenge... It is a good day to die!
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I know that this post is a bit old now, being like 5 pages back and all and if my point has been made already then feel free to ignore this. However, having seen your recent posts on this thread I have to say that you sir are a gigantic drama queen and make me ashamed to play the KDF.
Yes, the KDF have need of new ships, yes, its easy to feel that the Feds and Roms get better stuff more often. However, that does not excuse going on uninformed rants. You said that without the power drain, it was a slap to the face of the KDF except that it costs 3 console slots. Which to my mind is a bigger drawback than the drain! You said it was a battle-cloak, except that it operates differently from one. All you are doing is making yourself and all of the KDF look bad, so please stop if you haven't already.
When you go off on a rant like this, it actually hurts the KDF. I don't know if you've noticed, but we have a reputation as a group that whines a lot. It doesn';t matter if we feel it is deserved, and every time someone sees a rant like this it gets worse.
Is this new ship overpowered? Yes. Would I rather it was cut back a bit? Again, yes.
Does that make it an insult to the KDF? No.
- Judge Aaron Satie
I'll note that your only response was to complain about an Ad hominem (Which I had not, in fact, made) and you didn't even address the rest of my post. Also, the best part is that you accused me of an ad hominem, while at the same time also trying to pull a poisoning the well fallacy.
And the KDF paid for cloaks, battle and regular, with noticeably reduced stats. Roms tend to have higher stats than comparable ships with battlecloak seemingly thrown in as a freeby.
Calling me a drama queen is not a personal attack? LMAO ... btw also offensive for other reasons as well so you should refrain from using that label.
And yes I reiterated my point again. It is a steady progression of disseminating cloaks and battle cloak like powers to everyone. See my little list:
1. Standard cloak on Defiant and Galaxy x
2. Placate and Rom signularity cloak as tier V power
3. Roms as fed aligned characters
4. Lock box ships that give a battle cloak ... albeit at a very high cost
If you can't see that progression then there is nothing really more for me to say. If you can't see the ever quickening pace of lock boxes and massive power creep since Season 7 (geometric progression as Mr. Spock would say) then once again ...
- Judge Aaron Satie
Thank you. It is so hard to have an even tempered and balanced argument with all Fed fans here.
- Judge Aaron Satie
And you haven't done the same thing? I mean literally seconds after replying to me, you said -- and I quote -- ''Thank you. It is so hard to have an even tempered and balanced argument with all Fed fans here.''
Now, that isn't so bad. I do play Feds, just not as my main but the thing is, you've also accused me of protecting cryptic when I made no moves to so. Again, refer to my first post. I said I disliked the new ship and wanted it cut down. But then, anything you don't like has to be protecting cryptic, doesn't it?
So, let's get back to the point you made. I called you a drama queen,and if you honestly took great offense at that I do apologize but my argument hardly relied on it, and your own actions do little to put false the name.
You came in and whined about two things that were both proven false and are now desperately back-peddling to refuse admitting that you either didn't do the research before complaining, or that you complained regardless. As I said, what you did gives a bad name to the entire KDF and our reputation is bad enough already in that regard.
So long story short? Next time, look up the ship before complaining. Think about what it actually means in the game world, and for the love of STO, don't make ''blame Feds'' or ''blame Roms'' the default answer to anything.
- Judge Aaron Satie
Point one, here is this thing you have with the Feds again. Why is it that when someone argues against you? (Someone who has admitted, BTW to a KDF main) they're defending the Feds? Why is it that when a ship is in general overpowerd, its more power to rich Feds? Even if we go strictly by what you say, the ship doesn't go to any faction; anyone can use it.
Point the second, its not a battle cloak. Its a type of cloaking yes, but it is not a battle cloak. You have declared it to be a type of battle cloak for the sake of your rant, but no one except you has even referred to it as a battle cloak.
The thing that confuses me is that you honestly don't seem to understand that a fellow KDF player can argue with you without being a Fed. I mean ,it links back to what I said earlier. When people disagree? They're feds. When people continue? They're feds defending cryptic. Isn't it possible that maybe -- just maybe -- they're KDF who have a different opinion than you?
I retract my statement that it is not a battle cloak in that case, however, I maintain that it may not be the same as the ones currently in use and also would like to point out that it doesn't diminish my point in the slightest. Even for a true battle-cloak, three console slots is a fair price.