Turns better, 1K more hull. Trades universal LT and science LTC for science LT and univeral LTC which opens up EPTx3 chain and APO as possibilities. Dual cannons. Weapon drain resist cruiser mode.
The hull and turn are not gamebreakers. EPTx3 chain is possible with Bastion too. APO1 isn't that amazing. Dual cannons are worthless on a slow turning boat. Weapon drain reduction mode is nice, but not gamebreaking.
Are people buying keys to sell? Or do they filter down from dev's who are sneaking them in under the noses of the PWE guards?
Well yes, people are buying them as a round-about way of buying EC's, but if they have the money to burn, then more power to them. They are financing my miserly habits. Not only that, but in about 5 weeks of playing the game (this time around), I've accrued (In-game, and from surveys/adverts) a mite over 2500 Zen, which with the current sale would net me 25/26 keys for free. So whilst PWE get a reasonable chunk of shrapnel for all the surveys and vid's we complete, not as much as you may think comes from the punters.
EDIT: And just to be smug, I just completed a very nice 3-minute survey for 98 more zen, so that would theoretically be (almost) another key (Except I'm not buying any, as I'm still sulking over the two I bought at auction to open Gold Cardassian lock-boxes I had left-over from last time I played... The contents were... horrendous)...
So the Voth ships which have never been shown canonically to cloak can now have battle cloak, but the Romulan temporal science vessel, a future ship of a race whose ships are all designed around cloaking, still can't even regular cloak? New ship looks awesome, but is a sad panda for canon
In 2373, the Voth used a form of interphase as a cloaking technology on themselves and their ships. This allowed Forra Gegen and Veer to covertly observe the USS Voyager and her crew. The technology was more advanced than anything Tuvok had seen before. When cloaked, the Voth only appeared as localized spatial fluctuations with a modulating phase variance that could be detected with sensors. When the two Voth were isolated from their subspace frequency by analyzing the scans of the spatial phase variance, it was possible to disrupt their cloaking devices with a hand phaser set for a dispersion frequency of 1.85 gigahertz. (VOY: "Distant Origin")
Never gamble. If you must, spend your money on things you'll know you'll get with 100% absolute certainty. That's why I only open lockboxes for Lobi (for bound-on-pickup items), and I don't break the bank doing it. Rack up your EC and buy what you want off the exchange. At least it's a guaranteed purchase.
How about no? So-called P2W is irrelevant because PvP is irrelevant, and there's no prize for beating other players other than smug self-satisfaction.
Does it have to be smug, bro? It could be just plain satisfaction at a job well done. P2W applies to PvE too. How much was that Scimitard again? Last time I checked they were twenty five doll hairs. For many of us PvP is very relevant and it does no one any good to continue taking shots at those that enjoy it.
As a Star Trek fan, i just sigh every time a new lobi store or lockbox alien ship comes out. And can we please design something that doesn't look like a sex toy from the future?
If I recall correctly, the reason they aren't in the C-store is because CBS agreed to let alien ships be in game on the grounds that there wouldn't bunches of them flying around.
...lolz, if there was a definite, hard number of them available after which no more could be obtained, I'd accept that, but atm it's just lolz. On any given day I can usually find more non-Fed ships in Sol than Fed ships. In short, CBS's reason is TRIBBLE but we gotta live with it anyway.
I learned a long time ago not to bother with wasting money on such these promotions. Especially now there is no place for you to put DOFFs, so you have to destroy them. And that means you burning money for trash.
Never gamble. If you must, spend your money on things you'll know you'll get with 100% absolute certainty.
This is the problem. The stuff that I want I have to gamble for. There are things in the Lobi Store that I'd love to have but I either have to grind for the chance to gamble or pay for the chance to gamble. What's so ******n hard about selling a weapon-pack or a console set in the Zen-Store $7.50? Why does everything have to be tied to a lottery-system?
Pay to win what, exactly? That always puzzles me, whenever this sort of thing comes up.
I mean, it's not like PvP is necessary in order to play the game, or to advance - it's not like EvE Online, where you could be jumped by opposing players at any given moment. And to fight the NPCs, the gear you can get for free (or, if you're impatient, for EC on the Exchange) is plenty. The ships are fine. You can play all the way from enlistment to endgame without ever dropping a penny on this game, or noticing the difference - I have, five times so far. And I haven't even done everything the game has to offer! (I still have to complete the Borg arc on my most advanced toon; the others are still mucking about near DS9 and environs. I can't play in the Sphere unless Santa brings me a new laptop with a better graphics card, because if I'm not looking straight at the center of the Sphere, my shipboard FPS drops to about 3 or so, which makes it impossible to fly through the Ion Stream, and I can't go groundside until I finish the introductory missions.)
So that leaves me with the same question that comes to mind when someone pops this phrase out in CO - what, pray tell, are you paying to win??
Apparently it does, in my experience. That's one of the reasons I don't PvP.
And what PvE content requires a Scimitar? Or a Bortasq', or an Avenger, or any other C-store ship? Everything I've flown can be handled nicely by one of the free ships I've gotten.
This is the problem. The stuff that I want I have to gamble for. There are things in the Lobi Store that I'd love to have but I either have to grind for the chance to gamble or pay for the chance to gamble. What's so ******n hard about selling a weapon-pack or a console set in the Zen-Store $7.50? Why does everything have to be tied to a lottery-system?
Mark my words, when they become really desperate for money, they'll allow us to make our own ships for real world money. That's when you know the IP license will die soon.
But until they get "that desperate" for money, they'll continue to do the gambling thing.
One day Cryptic will be free from their Perfect World overlord. Until that day comes, they will continue to pamper the whales of this game, and ignore everyone that isn't a whale.
I have read your post 5 times to make sure I got your thoughts correct.
I figure other threads are going to pop up, "I spent TRIBBLE money and didn't get the ship I wanted!"
"Cryptic just wants to make money!!"
You can't get the ship you want and you don't want to go through the other avenues to get it, you sound like the people that walked into my dealership (that sells to people with bad credit) demanding a SUV when you have the paycheck and the down payment for a VAN.
Cryptic and CBS want to make money, no surprises there, they are for profit companies.
You are playing a game, which with all time you spend on it, you are personally not producing anything of value to the economy. (RL economy)
You and everyone else that feels burned because you didn't win the ship on opening a DOFF pack, or some orange crystals, please feel free to leave so the rest of us can enjoy our game in peace.
I personally pay for items in this game for a more enjoyable gaming experience, if I didn't want that I would personally go buy a Xbox one and pew pew away.
The people who keep saying that Lockboxes are illegal? Please, post the Federal law banning it.
There are worst things in other games , Expiration of in-game items and item rentals, non of which are in this game.
It is your OWN personal responsibility to be accountable for what you do in game, just because a lockbox happens to fall (which is an in game advertisement), does not REQUIRE you to open it.
I been toying with getting the Rom doff packs for a few, i'm low on doffs and lazy, and i may grab them. If i get the ship i'm just going to sell it anyway and I get the doffs i wanted so win in for me.
Devs, did you just make the 1 month old Voth Bastion FDC obsolete?
Bulwark has better stats in everyway...
Bulwark is BIGGER (But uglier, maybe this balances it? )
Bulwark has MORE HULL (45k vs 44k)
Bulwark has MORE CREW (2000 vs 1500)
Bulwark has BETTER TURN (7 vs 6)
Bulwark has BETTER INERTIA (35 vs 20)
This doesn't add up to me. How can a Bulwark with more hull/crew/size move faster and turn better than the smaller, lighter, less-hulled Bastion FDC?
If I recall correctly, the reason they aren't in the C-store is because CBS agreed to let alien ships be in game on the grounds that there wouldn't bunches of them flying around.
...lolz, if there was a definite, hard number of them available after which no more could be obtained, I'd accept that, but atm it's just lolz. On any given day I can usually find more non-Fed ships in Sol than Fed ships. In short, CBS's reason is TRIBBLE but we gotta live with it anyway.
that wasn't true.
If it were the case they would have alien ships in the lottery box for the feds and the kdf would have them in the Cstore.
KDF have many different alien race ships, why not captured jem hadar ferengi, tholian?
The two tactical console slots are its only saving/balancing grace in my book.
Otherwise, I am wholly disappointed that a ship so blatantly superior to its contemporaries exists. A ship of that caliber, considering it is a dreadnought and carries a hanger, simply should not have a turn rate of 7.
That such a blatantly unbalanced ship is only available through an exploitative gambling scheme only compounds the issue and has considerably shaken my good faith in the company(and makes me want to ask whom is responsible for thinking it was a good idea).
I am sick of the Pay to Gamble as well, I would gladly outright buy a ship I want for 30-40 bucks, but I will NOT gamble my 30-40 on the chance of getting it
So now I have to grind grind grind for it, EC ahoy
"I am a travelor of both time and space to be where I have been"
1) No one is forcing you to gamble within this game At no point whatsoever are you required to gamble with your money. Absolutely none of the ships are fundamentally "required" for Endgame. It has been shonw many times that you can be competative in PVE endgame content for free, and in PVP with a little time and effort.
1.2) You don't have to gamble to get the ships! You can easily purchase keys with Zen (a sure thing) Sell them on the exchange (a sure thing if done right) and then purchase the lockbox ship right off the exchange as well (also a sure thing). Done this way, a lockbox ship can be procured within $50-$75, depending on the exchange prices and the ship in question. Well below the hundreds of thousands of dollars that other people can spend trying to "win" it. This is a sure thing.
2)Even if you open the lockboxes, you get consolation prizes. All of the lockboxes now come with secondary prizes with a fairly high drop rate. I personally have only opened maybe 30 lockboxes in my career, and I have received all of the secondary prizes at least once. And sometimes, people open the lockboxes exclusively for the new traits, doffs, or other gear.
Lobi is an exclusive currency that drops every single time you open a lock box. Open enough of them, and you can buy a Lobi ship for 800. If you are feeling frisky, you can turn that around, sell it on the exchange, and then buy the ship of your choice. So go on long enough, you can still "win" in the end without sinking hundreds of dollars into the game.
3)Like it or not, the Lockboxes have saved this game from bankruptcy! THe Free2Play model still requires an income of some sort. Mr Stalh has said that he will not release content packs for real money. (To which I, and many other players are glad. IF this game was a pay by Zone model, I would not be playing it.) Selling ships for Zen is ok, but not great. And the subscription bonuses are meh at best. The Lockbox model is effective at driving revenue, and thus being able to pay the devs to develop content (quit laughing), and the coders to debug the game. Not to mention other essentials such as bandwidth and electricity for the servers.
Love it, hate it; Lockboxes are here to stay.
4)No one is forcing you to play the game! Star Trek Online is a completely elective activity. If you are unsatisfied with the product, service, or anything about it, the uniinstall button is in your start menu.
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The hull and turn are not gamebreakers. EPTx3 chain is possible with Bastion too. APO1 isn't that amazing. Dual cannons are worthless on a slow turning boat. Weapon drain reduction mode is nice, but not gamebreaking.
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Fleet Admiral Rylana - Fed Tac - U.S.S Wild Card - Tactical Miracle Worker Cruiser
Lifetime Subscriber since 2012 == 17,200 Accolades = RIP PvP and Vice Squad
Chief of Starfleet Intelligence Service == Praise Cheesus
Well yes, people are buying them as a round-about way of buying EC's, but if they have the money to burn, then more power to them. They are financing my miserly habits. Not only that, but in about 5 weeks of playing the game (this time around), I've accrued (In-game, and from surveys/adverts) a mite over 2500 Zen, which with the current sale would net me 25/26 keys for free. So whilst PWE get a reasonable chunk of shrapnel for all the surveys and vid's we complete, not as much as you may think comes from the punters.
EDIT: And just to be smug, I just completed a very nice 3-minute survey for 98 more zen, so that would theoretically be (almost) another key (Except I'm not buying any, as I'm still sulking over the two I bought at auction to open Gold Cardassian lock-boxes I had left-over from last time I played... The contents were... horrendous)...
In 2373, the Voth used a form of interphase as a cloaking technology on themselves and their ships. This allowed Forra Gegen and Veer to covertly observe the USS Voyager and her crew. The technology was more advanced than anything Tuvok had seen before. When cloaked, the Voth only appeared as localized spatial fluctuations with a modulating phase variance that could be detected with sensors. When the two Voth were isolated from their subspace frequency by analyzing the scans of the spatial phase variance, it was possible to disrupt their cloaking devices with a hand phaser set for a dispersion frequency of 1.85 gigahertz. (VOY: "Distant Origin")
system Lord Baal is dead
...Unless someone else swoops it up. :P
@DevolvedOne
system Lord Baal is dead
I noticed that when people watch things they hate, they tend to forget about them.
then they should take all fed and KDF stuff down :P
system Lord Baal is dead
Does it have to be smug, bro? It could be just plain satisfaction at a job well done. P2W applies to PvE too. How much was that Scimitard again? Last time I checked they were twenty five doll hairs. For many of us PvP is very relevant and it does no one any good to continue taking shots at those that enjoy it.
As a Star Trek fan, i just sigh every time a new lobi store or lockbox alien ship comes out. And can we please design something that doesn't look like a sex toy from the future?
...lolz, if there was a definite, hard number of them available after which no more could be obtained, I'd accept that, but atm it's just lolz. On any given day I can usually find more non-Fed ships in Sol than Fed ships. In short, CBS's reason is TRIBBLE but we gotta live with it anyway.
This is the problem. The stuff that I want I have to gamble for. There are things in the Lobi Store that I'd love to have but I either have to grind for the chance to gamble or pay for the chance to gamble. What's so ******n hard about selling a weapon-pack or a console set in the Zen-Store $7.50? Why does everything have to be tied to a lottery-system?
I mean, it's not like PvP is necessary in order to play the game, or to advance - it's not like EvE Online, where you could be jumped by opposing players at any given moment. And to fight the NPCs, the gear you can get for free (or, if you're impatient, for EC on the Exchange) is plenty. The ships are fine. You can play all the way from enlistment to endgame without ever dropping a penny on this game, or noticing the difference - I have, five times so far. And I haven't even done everything the game has to offer! (I still have to complete the Borg arc on my most advanced toon; the others are still mucking about near DS9 and environs. I can't play in the Sphere unless Santa brings me a new laptop with a better graphics card, because if I'm not looking straight at the center of the Sphere, my shipboard FPS drops to about 3 or so, which makes it impossible to fly through the Ion Stream, and I can't go groundside until I finish the introductory missions.)
So that leaves me with the same question that comes to mind when someone pops this phrase out in CO - what, pray tell, are you paying to win??
Because PWE knows people are foolish enough to gamble, and they make money off of it. A lot of it.
system Lord Baal is dead
And what PvE content requires a Scimitar? Or a Bortasq', or an Avenger, or any other C-store ship? Everything I've flown can be handled nicely by one of the free ships I've gotten.
My smug self-satisfaction is very important to me.
Mark my words, when they become really desperate for money, they'll allow us to make our own ships for real world money. That's when you know the IP license will die soon.
You'll see Scimitar's with:
Infinite cloak
5 fore weapons/ 5 aft weapon slots
3 hangar slots
1,000,000 hull
10 turn rate/ 33 inertia
But until they get "that desperate" for money, they'll continue to do the gambling thing.
It's a scam, plain and simple.
Plus, first it was keys with lockboxes (125zen), now it's doff packs (275zen I think), what's next?
I figure other threads are going to pop up, "I spent TRIBBLE money and didn't get the ship I wanted!"
"Cryptic just wants to make money!!"
You can't get the ship you want and you don't want to go through the other avenues to get it, you sound like the people that walked into my dealership (that sells to people with bad credit) demanding a SUV when you have the paycheck and the down payment for a VAN.
Cryptic and CBS want to make money, no surprises there, they are for profit companies.
You are playing a game, which with all time you spend on it, you are personally not producing anything of value to the economy. (RL economy)
You and everyone else that feels burned because you didn't win the ship on opening a DOFF pack, or some orange crystals, please feel free to leave so the rest of us can enjoy our game in peace.
I personally pay for items in this game for a more enjoyable gaming experience, if I didn't want that I would personally go buy a Xbox one and pew pew away.
The people who keep saying that Lockboxes are illegal? Please, post the Federal law banning it.
There are worst things in other games , Expiration of in-game items and item rentals, non of which are in this game.
It is your OWN personal responsibility to be accountable for what you do in game, just because a lockbox happens to fall (which is an in game advertisement), does not REQUIRE you to open it.
Devs, did you just make the 1 month old Voth Bastion FDC obsolete?
Bulwark has better stats in everyway...
Bulwark is BIGGER (But uglier, maybe this balances it?
Bulwark has MORE HULL (45k vs 44k)
Bulwark has MORE CREW (2000 vs 1500)
Bulwark has BETTER TURN (7 vs 6)
Bulwark has BETTER INERTIA (35 vs 20)
This doesn't add up to me. How can a Bulwark with more hull/crew/size move faster and turn better than the smaller, lighter, less-hulled Bastion FDC?
that wasn't true.
If it were the case they would have alien ships in the lottery box for the feds and the kdf would have them in the Cstore.
KDF have many different alien race ships, why not captured jem hadar ferengi, tholian?
Otherwise, I am wholly disappointed that a ship so blatantly superior to its contemporaries exists. A ship of that caliber, considering it is a dreadnought and carries a hanger, simply should not have a turn rate of 7.
That such a blatantly unbalanced ship is only available through an exploitative gambling scheme only compounds the issue and has considerably shaken my good faith in the company(and makes me want to ask whom is responsible for thinking it was a good idea).
I am sick of the Pay to Gamble as well, I would gladly outright buy a ship I want for 30-40 bucks, but I will NOT gamble my 30-40 on the chance of getting it
So now I have to grind grind grind for it, EC ahoy
1) No one is forcing you to gamble within this game At no point whatsoever are you required to gamble with your money. Absolutely none of the ships are fundamentally "required" for Endgame. It has been shonw many times that you can be competative in PVE endgame content for free, and in PVP with a little time and effort.
1.2) You don't have to gamble to get the ships! You can easily purchase keys with Zen (a sure thing) Sell them on the exchange (a sure thing if done right) and then purchase the lockbox ship right off the exchange as well (also a sure thing). Done this way, a lockbox ship can be procured within $50-$75, depending on the exchange prices and the ship in question. Well below the hundreds of thousands of dollars that other people can spend trying to "win" it. This is a sure thing.
2)Even if you open the lockboxes, you get consolation prizes. All of the lockboxes now come with secondary prizes with a fairly high drop rate. I personally have only opened maybe 30 lockboxes in my career, and I have received all of the secondary prizes at least once. And sometimes, people open the lockboxes exclusively for the new traits, doffs, or other gear.
Lobi is an exclusive currency that drops every single time you open a lock box. Open enough of them, and you can buy a Lobi ship for 800. If you are feeling frisky, you can turn that around, sell it on the exchange, and then buy the ship of your choice. So go on long enough, you can still "win" in the end without sinking hundreds of dollars into the game.
3)Like it or not, the Lockboxes have saved this game from bankruptcy! THe Free2Play model still requires an income of some sort. Mr Stalh has said that he will not release content packs for real money. (To which I, and many other players are glad. IF this game was a pay by Zone model, I would not be playing it.) Selling ships for Zen is ok, but not great. And the subscription bonuses are meh at best. The Lockbox model is effective at driving revenue, and thus being able to pay the devs to develop content (quit laughing), and the coders to debug the game. Not to mention other essentials such as bandwidth and electricity for the servers.
Love it, hate it; Lockboxes are here to stay.
4)No one is forcing you to play the game! Star Trek Online is a completely elective activity. If you are unsatisfied with the product, service, or anything about it, the uniinstall button is in your start menu.