There you are comparing the KDFs behaviour to that of the Feds again, trying to justify it. Bad behaviour on another factions or persons part doesn't justify ones own. It's the same kind of arguement that the TRIBBLE have been using to justify the holocaust. "Hitler wasn't soo bad, because Stalin killed a lot of people, too"
A large part of the vocal KDF community is simply eaten up with envy. They don't seem to be able to be happy for the things they get and would rather have the opposite side get something taken away, than to see both sides get the same benefit at the same time.
I for one am glad that my Hegh'ta is going to get some kind of utility and don't give a f*** if that same utility is going to be added to the Aquarius, Sabre or even a Scimitar.
The whines are the same from both sides. The only difference is you and other feds lookmat it as only the KDF complains in STO whilenthere are plenty of fed based whine in these forums.
You condemn the upset KDF and ignore the upset feds when they act just as assinine.
That is my point.
Whine is whine and both factions are guilty. No trying to cover it up or ignore it on my part.
In fact not a single KDF has expressed being unhappy about the upcomming Raider changes.
They have expressed fear that those changes means they will be factionally shafted somehow in the future.
So take your weak TRIBBLE/Holocaust excuse and peddle over the the "Beef with Galaxy" thread and them know how much like whiney little TRIBBLE's they are for expressing discontent, The peddleon up to the "Avenger sucks" thread and do the same.
I'll wait. Otherwise admit the feds are hypocriys and whine just as loud over silly ****.
I am willing to bet they will introduce a BoP to go with it; the timing is perfect, both for Cryptic AND for the KDF players. Feds too, if they have the Fresh Break, or whatever the Breen raider is called.
Also, I think the Aquarius is considered a raider, is it not? It might benefit as well, which could mean people will actually fly it (I have only seen one in player hands, ever).
I am willing to bet they will introduce a BoP to go with it; the timing is perfect, both for Cryptic AND for the KDF players. Feds too, if they have the Fresh Break, or whatever the Breen raider is called.
Also, I think the Aquarius is considered a raider, is it not? It might benefit as well, which could mean people will actually fly it (I have only seen one in player hands, ever).
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
No one should get their hopes up with this "flanking" mechanic.
If it's even remotely useful and beneficial, every Feddy will cry NERF...and the "unbiased" Devs will nerf it to near uselessness.
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Didn't the original version of it have all universal Boff slots? I could have sworn it was supposed to be a non-cloaking raider when it was released...but I just looked up STOWiki and it has fixed slots...
Didn't the original version of it have all universal Boff slots? I could have sworn it was supposed to be a non-cloaking raider when it was released...but I just looked up STOWiki and it has fixed slots...
Maybe, I dunno, it was over a year ago that the fleet system was released. I can't remember if it was more universal or not back then.
Anyways, folks, let's see if this flanking is PRACTICAL or not. If it's not practical, and thus not worth using, worrying about Feds and Roms getting it, or it being nerfed is silly if it's not worth having in the first place.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Exactly. They screwed KDF again by making the damage boost be negligible against other players. Congrats Cryptic for pandering to the fed wallet warriors.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
The devs finally give our raiders the thing they are missing, and all some here can do is whine, whine, whine. I can litterally hear the tears fall to the ground when reading some posts in this thread.
Or is it fear I smell here? Fear of being neglected, like an infant pulling her mother's skirt? Don't be afraid, you are Klingon! You do not know fear, unless you are not really one of us.
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Aehem.
The raider buff will benefit Klingons most, because we have the largest number of raiders in the game. Whatever it may be, it will be fun to use and bring a certain balance back. Rejoice!
Been using bop off and on for a couple years now and never wanted something like this and am not excited about it. I rather have things I did use on it un-nerfed instead like BO stacking, tricobalt mines, and a buff to torpedos.
Exactly. They screwed KDF again by making the damage boost be negligible against other players. Congrats Cryptic for pandering to the fed wallet warriors.
That's not what the link meant at all. The added portion to the blog was about the Breen bridge. The reduced flank damage (both for Birds of Prey compared to the Plesh Brek and for all Raiders in PvP) were mentioned in the original version of the blog.
Exactly. They screwed KDF again by making the damage boost be negligible against other players. Congrats Cryptic for pandering to the fed wallet warriors.
Even if the damage increase is around 10-15% against other players its still good and they said there are other minor changes that are going to be made for the BoPs as well. And its all still subject to change as they said they are using the Breen frigate as a testbed to see how well it actually works.
From what I can tell, it's a 25% boost to final sum damage against NPCs (big honkin' boost), and something lower (perhaps only 8-12%) against players. Considering this is presumably final sum damage and not base damage, and that it's an always-on passive ability, this is actually a pretty good boost and will add more to the BoP's penchant for attacking from behind.
Maybe they'll make it even more after trial runs, who knows. I'm looking forward to it. . .finally, something I can get excited about! I just hope it's rear 180-arc and not rear 90-arc. More margin for error, allowing attacks from port/starboard aft sections.
I still would've liked a speed increase for BoPs, but this will do.
Even if the damage increase is around 10-15% against other players its still good and they said there are other minor changes that are going to be made for the BoPs as well. And its all still subject to change as they said they are using the Breen frigate as a testbed to see how well it actually works.
Do you happen to have a link to someone talking about these minor changes you're talking about? Hadn't heard about that.
More improvements to the raider class is good. It's been needing a buff since LoR, and the flanking + anything else they add would be a nice compensation.
Right there.
That's the nerf.
Don't you think they knew what they were proposing when they announced the stats?
What they're saying with this Breen ship is "OK...we're going to be giving the KDF's gimped BoPs this very cool and long overdue upgrade in addition to their cloaks. What do all you non-KDF players think?"
Yeah, I'm a pessimist...but I'm pessimistic by conditioning on STO.
We'll be lucky to get the 10%...if that.
NO to ARC RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
Was it lowered already?
I read 33% vs NPC and 25% vs Player.
100% power versus NPCs and 1/3 effective power against players is what Branflakes had stated, with the KDF raiders having a lower rating base due to having battle cloaks.
Keep in mind the Flanking bonus effects damage like APA does and will stack with the de loak bonus for a large buff to alpha strikes.
Its no small buff for Raiders if it survives the NC.
It's a good and solid try at fixing a lot of KDF issues but it's just another means to hyper-class the most Iconic KDF ships when the devs constantly bemoan rigid stylizing of the ships they produce...
FED: "Bring back the trinity!"
Devs: "This game isn't about a trinity"
Meanwhile...
KDF "We're Starving! Please feed us!"
Devs: "Here, here's some shiny poison... you delicious Gaght. Also this shiny makes your classes have to work even harder at what you do to be any good!"
Why do I only get a buff for shooting something's TRIBBLE? How does that help me play any better against non-whale maneuverable ships?
We don't want what the Feds have. We want the equivalent. We want fairer treatment. Concern, desire, greed to some extent, and passionate belief that the enough people would buy KDF items to make it worth Cryptic's while.
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My bad you knew it was flanking already
The whines are the same from both sides. The only difference is you and other feds lookmat it as only the KDF complains in STO whilenthere are plenty of fed based whine in these forums.
You condemn the upset KDF and ignore the upset feds when they act just as assinine.
That is my point.
Whine is whine and both factions are guilty. No trying to cover it up or ignore it on my part.
In fact not a single KDF has expressed being unhappy about the upcomming Raider changes.
They have expressed fear that those changes means they will be factionally shafted somehow in the future.
So take your weak TRIBBLE/Holocaust excuse and peddle over the the "Beef with Galaxy" thread and them know how much like whiney little TRIBBLE's they are for expressing discontent, The peddleon up to the "Avenger sucks" thread and do the same.
I'll wait. Otherwise admit the feds are hypocriys and whine just as loud over silly ****.
R.I.P
Also, I think the Aquarius is considered a raider, is it not? It might benefit as well, which could mean people will actually fly it (I have only seen one in player hands, ever).
Aquarius is labeled as a destroyer.
If it's even remotely useful and beneficial, every Feddy will cry NERF...and the "unbiased" Devs will nerf it to near uselessness.
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
Didn't the original version of it have all universal Boff slots? I could have sworn it was supposed to be a non-cloaking raider when it was released...but I just looked up STOWiki and it has fixed slots...
The new Breen raidet is the only new raider to the game and the Flanking mechanic is only slated to be extended to the raider class of the KDF.
I will link the post by adjuticatorhawk when I can.
R.I.P
Maybe, I dunno, it was over a year ago that the fleet system was released. I can't remember if it was more universal or not back then.
Anyways, folks, let's see if this flanking is PRACTICAL or not. If it's not practical, and thus not worth using, worrying about Feds and Roms getting it, or it being nerfed is silly if it's not worth having in the first place.
Just feels like we are jumping the gun is all.
Nerf was demanded and a nerf is already done.
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
Exactly. They screwed KDF again by making the damage boost be negligible against other players. Congrats Cryptic for pandering to the fed wallet warriors.
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Been using bop off and on for a couple years now and never wanted something like this and am not excited about it. I rather have things I did use on it un-nerfed instead like BO stacking, tricobalt mines, and a buff to torpedos.
Even if the damage increase is around 10-15% against other players its still good and they said there are other minor changes that are going to be made for the BoPs as well. And its all still subject to change as they said they are using the Breen frigate as a testbed to see how well it actually works.
Maybe they'll make it even more after trial runs, who knows. I'm looking forward to it. . .finally, something I can get excited about! I just hope it's rear 180-arc and not rear 90-arc. More margin for error, allowing attacks from port/starboard aft sections.
I still would've liked a speed increase for BoPs, but this will do.
Do you happen to have a link to someone talking about these minor changes you're talking about? Hadn't heard about that.
More improvements to the raider class is good. It's been needing a buff since LoR, and the flanking + anything else they add would be a nice compensation.
Right there.
That's the nerf.
Don't you think they knew what they were proposing when they announced the stats?
What they're saying with this Breen ship is "OK...we're going to be giving the KDF's gimped BoPs this very cool and long overdue upgrade in addition to their cloaks. What do all you non-KDF players think?"
Yeah, I'm a pessimist...but I'm pessimistic by conditioning on STO.
We'll be lucky to get the 10%...if that.
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
Was it lowered already?
I read 33% vs NPC and 25% vs Player.
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
100% power versus NPCs and 1/3 effective power against players is what Branflakes had stated, with the KDF raiders having a lower rating base due to having battle cloaks.
R.I.P
The blog says te Breen raider will get 33% against NPCs and Klingon raiders will get +25%
Somewhere in that thread were starting numbers for PVP that were like 1/2 to 1/3rd of that.
So four different numbers and nobody can keep up with it already
Its no small buff for Raiders if it survives the NC.
R.I.P
OMQ...I think I'll just forget about this and try to enjoy the Winter Event.
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
It's a good and solid try at fixing a lot of KDF issues but it's just another means to hyper-class the most Iconic KDF ships when the devs constantly bemoan rigid stylizing of the ships they produce...
FED: "Bring back the trinity!"
Devs: "This game isn't about a trinity"
Meanwhile...
KDF "We're Starving! Please feed us!"
Devs: "Here, here's some shiny poison... you delicious Gaght. Also this shiny makes your classes have to work even harder at what you do to be any good!"
Why do I only get a buff for shooting something's TRIBBLE? How does that help me play any better against non-whale maneuverable ships?