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Gravity Well III's damage is lower than Gravity Well I
majortiraomega
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Last night I performed a series of tests with another player. In each trial the target was a fleet excelsior cruiser. For the first test Gravity Well I (tooltip for 960 damage a second) was used on a stationary cruiser exactly 2km away and dealt an average of 770 damage after resistances, acceptable considering the crusier had about 20% kinetic resistance.
The same test was again repeated, Gravity well III (tooltip for 1600.1 damage a second) was used on a stationary cruiser exactly 2km away. Interestingly enough, the damage averaged at 668 damage a second after resistances, about a 59% damage reduction compared to the 20% reduction with gravity well I. Is this an intended feature to prevent high science damage against a target?
The same test was again repeated, Gravity well III (tooltip for 1600.1 damage a second) was used on a stationary cruiser exactly 2km away. Interestingly enough, the damage averaged at 668 damage a second after resistances, about a 59% damage reduction compared to the 20% reduction with gravity well I. Is this an intended feature to prevent high science damage against a target?
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Thanks for doing the tests and passing it on, as a frequent science pilot ill take not of this
On a more lighter note I'd you not know that only tacs are aloud to do damage in this game
This is quite disturbing news. Gravity Well, especially GW III needs to be seriously buffed, most especially in terms of the amounts of hold it does. At 130 AUX, GW III should be holding like a tractor beam.
I would also like to see GW do extra damage against spam, like destructable torpedoes, mines, and pets. GW III should crush Romulan Drone ships and Yellowstone runabouts.
It is one of those abilities that was undermined after they switched from exotic damage to kinetic.
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Well interestingly enough, if Gravity Well III actually dealt the damage listed on the tooltip, it would be able to bring an escort to 25% hull when particle generators is max specced + conservation of energy trait, providing the science vessel could hold the escort in the well for the full 20 second duration. Naturally that is before healing, but it would make the skill viable again against players. All of those pet spam items would die quite quickly if Gravity Well III actually worked correctly. Yellowstone runabouts would die after about 10 seconds in the Gravity Well. Now if only Gravity Well III held like the Singularity Jump ability. For now though, we all still have Vent Theta Radiation and Tractor beam to keep the pesky escorts from getting away.
This is great news, thanks.
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It wont hold like a TB. Older devs broke the engine, making the -Repel un-buffable.
And the -Repel? Any way to fix the older dev's fudge-up?
The maximum damage for gravity well III (5 Fleet Particle Generators Mk XII, Nukara Particle Converter, Conservation of Energy, Astrophysicist, 9 in Particle Generators skill, Adapted MACO Deflector, Emergency Power to Auxiliary II) will net you about 2,450 damage for 20 seconds. With no kinetic damage resistance that will be 49,000 damage over 20 seconds. Against other players, assuming that brace for impact is used, then the damage will be 26,950 over 20 seconds. Assuming standard resistances without any buffs, the damage will be 39,200 damage over 20 seconds to players. So even at max particle generator stacking with a huge investment the ability will deal great damage, but it won't be overpowering. And with numerous counters (Attack Pattern Omega, Evasive Maneuvers, Polarize Hull, Emergency Power to Engines, Engine battery, Auxiliary to Inertial Dampers) players won't have any problems moving out of the gravity well before the damage is dealt. We might actually see the skill used in PvP again.
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Yes, hopefully this will be the case. I have builds that use both Gravity Well I and III and I noticed that they seem about equal in terms of hold and damage. I never thought to check into it being a bug and assumed it was working as intended.
Hopefully, they will consider also increasing the hold. It is a commander level power. It should at least have as much hold as tractor beam I if 130 AUX is put into it.
And a big thank you for finding this bug.
Same bug affects the pull.
That is excellent news. Thank you for your prompt attention to this problem.
It will be better than GW1...as GW1 stands now...or...are we looking at a nerf to GW1 because of how powerful GW3 could end up otherwise? Thus, resulting in GW2/GW3 being better than the "new" GW1...?
I hope not
J, when you get that fix to TRIBBLE, I will test it very heavily.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=831681
While I'm happy it has now been noticed, well yeah just gotta leave this link here. Good job though on the fix.
This may shock you, but, sometimes, we don't have time to manage to read every single post in every single subforum.
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another bug: subterfuge stealth value is stacking
This was fixed in the past, but it got reintroduced in a post-LoR patch. This has been posted a couple of times in the past few days but i guess nobody read it :P
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I thought that was the entire point of hiring Da Flake
Actually it was mostly a tongue in cheek jab at you and I understand the preference for the PvP boards as when they are not actively engaging in forum PvP they tend to be a higher..standard for information.
But seriously, get an intern or someone to read the boards and compile useful information about community found bugs and/or feelings about the various, things.
If it didn't then there would actually be very little chance to have stealth vs. a fully kitted out Sci Snooper build.
Fair enough, I certainly can relate to the amount of posts being overwhelming.
We used to have a fairly large, and long running thread, unfortunately it kind of got derailed back in April.
Would a thread like that be useful again? I don't think I have the time to manage such a massive thread like that, but I'd be curious if that thread would at least have value for the dev side of things.
The problem with that list is that it's purely game mechanics. If you added the rest of the bugs in this game, the list would span at least a couple of pages long.
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*jumps out of seat cheering for possible joy* If that does improve GW3's Pull.. AAAWWEEESOOOOME!!
I stopped using GW 3 when I noticed its pull was no better then GW 1/Singularity Jump.
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
-remembers that EVERY science power ever worth the while gets nerfed shortly after its worth the while and gets sad-
Do you even Science Bro?
Hopefully gravity well doesn't go the way of PSW3. I have high hope GW3 will be awesome but my guard is still up.
So either way, what you're saying is... brace for suck?