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  • dragonsbrethrendragonsbrethren Member Posts: 1,854 Arc User
    edited March 2015
  • captaind3captaind3 Member Posts: 2,449 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    callevista wrote: »
    The fixes to the Delta Alliance Armor and Fixes to the Romulan Republic Uppers should be in at the end of next week. The fixes were already done by the character team, but due to scheduling, these fixes took longer than normal to go through.

    Thanks threads boss, I knew that you had said you had the fixes, but I thought they had already gone in.

    You know maybe you guys should do a dev blog about how patches are applied. It's something I know nothing about.
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  • lordhavelocklordhavelock Member Posts: 2,248 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    callevista wrote: »
    The fixes to the Delta Alliance Armor and Fixes to the Romulan Republic Uppers should be in at the end of next week. The fixes were already done by the character team, but due to scheduling, these fixes took longer than normal to go through.

    That's great news Callevista, thanks!



    Question for you: Any chance of getting a Delete Costume button in the Tailor to free up a costume slot? Sometimes it's easier to start with a fresh slot rather than remaking an old costume. What about a Sort button that would rearrange our costumes by sorted alphanumerically by their title?

    I have over 100 costumes on my main now (and several dozen on most my alts), and it's difficult to keep them organized.

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  • callevistacallevista Member Posts: 237 Cryptic Developer
    edited March 2015
    That's great news Callevista, thanks!



    Question for you: Any chance of getting a Delete Costume button in the Tailor to free up a costume slot? Sometimes it's easier to start with a fresh slot rather than remaking an old costume. What about a Sort button that would rearrange our costumes by sorted alphanumerically by their title?

    I have over 100 costumes on my main now (and several dozen on most my alts), and it's difficult to keep them organized.


    I will bring that up with the rest of the team :)
  • callevistacallevista Member Posts: 237 Cryptic Developer
    edited March 2015
    More Updates:

    Cropped Winter Jackets - Come in with the correct Klingon Spine-Ridges for Female Klingons.

    Female Honor Guard Boots - Adjusted so that they no longer point inwards when walking

    Wells Badges - Adjusted to be closer to the Wells Uniform.

    These updates are scheduled to go out late next week.
  • lordhavelocklordhavelock Member Posts: 2,248 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    callevista wrote: »
    I will bring that up with the rest of the team :)
    Fantastic, thank you! :)
    callevista wrote: »
    More Updates...
    Yay more bug fixes!

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  • umaekoumaeko Member Posts: 748 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Romulan uppers are going to be fixed too? That's awesome!

    If I may be optimistically hopeful... could our dual shoulderpads be looked into as well?

    Here, I'll show you.
    http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll277/Zoberraz/Romulan_shoulder_pads_01_zps14162f18.jpg
    To the left is what we're stuck with. But the NPC to the right (and most Romulan males too) has the shoulderpads they way we had before.

    Ever since the 24th century TNG Romulan uniforms came out on the Z-Store, the cloth portions of the female shoulderpads have been dramatically extended out to the point where they look like they are floating (in a somewhat ridiculous fashion). I loved my shoulderpads, but ever since that happened, I haven't bothered to wear them anymore.

    I was hoping the new fleet admiral shoulderpads wouldn't share the same flaw... but they followed the floaty pattern too :(

    http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll277/Zoberraz/screenshot_2014-11-15-19-55-04_zpsd6937b6f.jpg
    See? The cloth part of the male shoulderpad actually rests on the arm. Whereas the female's floats wierdly just under the edge of the shoulderpad itself. This was very disappointing. :(

    I've been wanting this to be fixed for a long time. Can you bring it up to the team too, please?
  • lostusthornlostusthorn Member Posts: 844
    edited March 2015
    Can you please also look into the Seven of Nine uniform fit?

    http://www.gods-inc.de/ae/seven_bug.jpg

    The top and bottom parts do not fit smooth together anymore since the female character model revamp.

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  • lordhavelocklordhavelock Member Posts: 2,248 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Umaeko and Lostusthorn, thanks for your contributions. Please note these instructions from the OP:
    DO NOT include the pictures directly in the thread, just post links to your photos. Too many photos makes the thread hard to read (especially when people start quoting/re-posting the pix). Here are instructions for how to share a picture in your post.

    Also...
    For best results: If you'd like to add your own bugs to the thread, be sure to include:
    Affected character(s) name@handle, race, gender, faction (and allegiance, if relevant), if dealing with a captain or BO costume, your submitted bug-ticket number, links to pictures, and any other detailed information that can help find and resolve the problem.

    Thanks. :o

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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,735 Community Moderator
    edited March 2015
    Just to reiterate since I haven't seen this fixed yet:
    What happened to the Tellarite Base Complexions for Female AlienGen Captains? :confused:

    Plus, is it possible to get ANY new pieces for Alien Captains and BOFFs?
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  • captaind3captaind3 Member Posts: 2,449 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    callevista wrote: »
    More Updates:

    Cropped Winter Jackets - Come in with the correct Klingon Spine-Ridges for Female Klingons.
    SEXY!

    Thanks, that has irked me in the past.
    umaeko wrote: »
    Romulan uppers are going to be fixed too? That's awesome!

    If I may be optimistically hopeful... could our dual shoulderpads be looked into as well?

    Here, I'll show you.
    http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll277/Zoberraz/Romulan_shoulder_pads_01_zps14162f18.jpg
    To the left is what we're stuck with. But the NPC to the right (and most Romulan males too) has the shoulderpads they way we had before.

    Ever since the 24th century TNG Romulan uniforms came out on the Z-Store, the cloth portions of the female shoulderpads have been dramatically extended out to the point where they look like they are floating (in a somewhat ridiculous fashion). I loved my shoulderpads, but ever since that happened, I haven't bothered to wear them anymore.

    I was hoping the new fleet admiral shoulderpads wouldn't share the same flaw... but they followed the floaty pattern too :(

    http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll277/Zoberraz/screenshot_2014-11-15-19-55-04_zpsd6937b6f.jpg
    See? The cloth part of the male shoulderpad actually rests on the arm. Whereas the female's floats wierdly just under the edge of the shoulderpad itself. This was very disappointing. :(

    I've been wanting this to be fixed for a long time. Can you bring it up to the team too, please?
    I never noticed that the NPC pads were hollow. Huh, you learn something new everyday. With that in mind, it makes sense. Solids pads would be unnecessarily heavy unless they were filled with some kind of tech like shield generators or power cells.
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  • themartianthemartian Member Posts: 247 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    callevista wrote: »
    More Updates:

    Cropped Winter Jackets - Come in with the correct Klingon Spine-Ridges for Female Klingons.

    Female Honor Guard Boots - Adjusted so that they no longer point inwards when walking

    Wells Badges - Adjusted to be closer to the Wells Uniform.

    These updates are scheduled to go out late next week.

    Woohoo. Bloodwine all round! Now my Klingons have to go to the gym and work on their abs.
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  • tasshenatasshena Member Posts: 539 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    callevista wrote: »
    The fixes to the Delta Alliance Armor and Fixes to the Romulan Republic Uppers should be in at the end of next week. The fixes were already done by the character team, but due to scheduling, these fixes took longer than normal to go through.

    Yay! Great to hear. ^_^
  • callevistacallevista Member Posts: 237 Cryptic Developer
    edited March 2015

    For best results: If you'd like to add your own bugs to the thread, be sure to include:
    Affected character(s) name@handle, race, gender, faction (and allegiance, if relevant), if dealing with a captain or BO costume, your submitted bug-ticket number, links to pictures, and any other detailed information that can help find and resolve the problem.

    Thanks Lordhavelock! -Yes, the more information we get about the issue, the easier it is for us to resolve it.
  • callevistacallevista Member Posts: 237 Cryptic Developer
    edited March 2015
    umaeko wrote: »
    Romulan uppers are going to be fixed too? That's awesome!

    If I may be optimistically hopeful... could our dual shoulderpads be looked into as well?

    ....

    Ever since the 24th century TNG Romulan uniforms came out on the Z-Store, the cloth portions of the female shoulderpads have been dramatically extended out to the point where they look like they are floating (in a somewhat ridiculous fashion). I loved my shoulderpads, but ever since that happened, I haven't bothered to wear them anymore.

    I was hoping the new fleet admiral shoulderpads wouldn't share the same flaw... but they followed the floaty pattern too :(

    ...

    I've been wanting this to be fixed for a long time. Can you bring it up to the team too, please?

    Thanks for this well-documented post! The reason why the shoulder pads were adjusted, was to allow for more bulky uppers to fit with them. But, your post has us looking at this issue again. There's no decision at this time - but we will let you what happens soon.
  • hyplhypl Member Posts: 3,719 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Probably already reported but, the mirror universe top for females still has some minor clipping

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  • dragonsbrethrendragonsbrethren Member Posts: 1,854 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    hypl wrote: »
    Probably already reported but, the mirror universe top for females still has some minor clipping

    http://i.imgur.com/agKkR0H.jpg

    Adding a bit to this, the clipping only seems noticeable while aiming, and becomes most apparent when crouching, as in the screenshot.
  • lordhavelocklordhavelock Member Posts: 2,248 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Callevista,

    If I could be so bold to make one more request to bring up with the rest of your team:

    Can you please update the Photonic Bridge Officers (especially on the KDF-side) into the year 2410?

    I know when the PBOff was originally released, BOffs could not wear kit costume pieces, so you guys locked-in the appearance. (At least that was the reason why the Fed-sides were locked, the KDF never had such a reason since they have no kit visuals, they just got locked because ??). Well, now we can decorate our BOffs with kits, so maybe it's time you followed the precedence set by unlocking the Romulan Embassy BOffs and finally allow us to customize our PBOffs...

    Failing that, I'm mostly asking if you can upgrade the PBOff "programming" and change their holoimages out of the Sierra-04 (Fedside) and Klingon Standard (KDF) and put them into the Starfleet Officer Service Uniform (Odyssey) and Warrior's Bortasqu', respectively?

    I've gone through most of my characters and changed their crews to match Thomas' Starfleet guide on the Odyssey, and when I take the PBOff on Away Team excursions, he just stands-out unsatisfactorily. KDF-side, the old Klingon Standard (sadly) looks terrible next to the spiffy new Bortasqu' threads.

    I recommend if you make this requested change you require the PBOff be reclaimed, so those that like the old flava can keep it.

    Anyway, thanks! :)

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  • khamseenairkhamseenair Member Posts: 2,640 Bug Hunter
    edited March 2015
    hypl wrote: »
    Probably already reported but, the mirror universe top for females still has some minor clipping

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    The Federation aligned Romulan uniforms have the same issue when aiming. It's more noticeable on male characters though with that one.
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  • themartianthemartian Member Posts: 247 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    The collar disappears on the TNG uniform when you select the Admiral (55-59) rank pins. This is on my Betazoid female. I haven't tested on other species/genders yet, I'll check later if I get the chance. I did also bug report it #3,317,646.

    On an unrelated note, is there any reason Orion men only get two hairstyles besides bald (balding and middle parted)? Could others also be added please.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Adding a bit to this, the clipping only seems noticeable while aiming, and becomes most apparent when crouching, as in the screenshot.
    Sounds similar to the (now fixed) bug I reported a while back with the Khan outfit. the static animation was fine, but crouching made it do lots of weird things.

    @Martian: that's due to a recent addition. Male Orions used to have NO options.
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  • willamsheridanwillamsheridan Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I have one more clipping problem.: TNG season 1 Admiral Unform and the TNG Combadge. The combadge is clipping in the uniform
  • umaekoumaeko Member Posts: 748 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    callevista wrote: »
    Thanks for this well-documented post! The reason why the shoulder pads were adjusted, was to allow for more bulky uppers to fit with them. But, your post has us looking at this issue again. There's no decision at this time - but we will let you what happens soon.

    Thank you so very much for this reply. In the past year I've posted three threads on the topic and always felt they were ignored/buried under other issues. Consideration is more than I dared hope for.

    As for your explanation... yes, that's what I figured out too. :(

    I did get the TNG Romulan uniform to help me get to the bottom of this as well. As follows:
    http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll277/Zoberraz/Romulan_shoulder_pads_02_zps0485fbd8.jpg
    And it looks fine.

    The problem is more that we have 3 models of puffy shouldered uppers, while the majority of the rest of our uppers are the normal ones that the cloth loops end up floating over.

    Given a choice, I would've much prefered sticking with the former "normal" dual shoulderpads and accepted clipping on the TNG puffy-shoulders if I used the two at the same time. Or add to the list a choice of shoulderpads between normal and "large"; or only allow the "large" version to be equipped when a TNG upper is selected - but those are likely non-trivial issues.

    Overall, my belief was that the dual shoulderpads ought to have cattered to the lowest common denominator, rather than be changed for the exception and then look wierd for 95%+ of the other romulan outfits.
  • organicmanfredorganicmanfred Member Posts: 3,236 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Callevista,

    If I could be so bold to make one more request to bring up with the rest of your team:

    Can you please update the Photonic Bridge Officers (especially on the KDF-side) into the year 2410?

    I know when the PBOff was originally released, BOffs could not wear kit costume pieces, so you guys locked-in the appearance. (At least that was the reason why the Fed-sides were locked, the KDF never had such a reason since they have no kit visuals, they just got locked because ??). Well, now we can decorate our BOffs with kits, so maybe it's time you followed the precedence set by unlocking the Romulan Embassy BOffs and finally allow us to customize our PBOffs...

    Failing that, I'm mostly asking if you can upgrade the PBOff "programming" and change their holoimages out of the Sierra-04 (Fedside) and Klingon Standard (KDF) and put them into the Starfleet Officer Service Uniform (Odyssey) and Warrior's Bortasqu', respectively?

    I've gone through most of my characters and changed their crews to match Thomas' Starfleet guide on the Odyssey, and when I take the PBOff on Away Team excursions, he just stands-out unsatisfactorily. KDF-side, the old Klingon Standard (sadly) looks terrible next to the spiffy new Bortasqu' threads.

    I recommend if you make this requested change you require the PBOff be reclaimed, so those that like the old flava can keep it.

    Anyway, thanks! :)

    I recently re-bought :rolleyes: the Federation Science Photonic Boff. He wears the Odyssey Medical variant. In beige with blue holo-kit parts !!! :eek:

    I would pay to get him back in the Sierra Uniform. The colors were less "stressfull" in the eye. :D
  • lordhavelocklordhavelock Member Posts: 2,248 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I recently re-bought :rolleyes: the Federation Science Photonic Boff. He wears the Odyssey Medical variant. In beige with blue holo-kit parts !!! :eek:

    I would pay to get him back in the Sierra Uniform. The colors were less "stressfull" in the eye. :D

    Oh, really?!? Well, I'll just have to drop and reclaim him and see if I get the new uni. Honestly, I don't mind the Sierra so much, but I especially do not like the KDF version... Hopefully the Bortascqu'd that PBOff...

    >crosses-fingers<

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  • captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Oh, really?!? Well, I'll just have to drop and reclaim him and see if I get the new uni. Honestly, I don't mind the Sierra so much, but I especially do not like the KDF version... Hopefully the Bortascqu'd that PBOff...

    >crosses-fingers<

    Was a reason ever given why we can't customise those photonic boffs? Being able to customise them would be the best option imo, giving players the choice of whatever uniform they want. Personally I'd go with the sierra outfit over the oddy any day, but then again I'm apparently rather odd. :P

    That reminds me, has there been any word on when female fed toons and boffs get the ankle length panels & pockets trousers back? They have the knee length ones, but the ankle length have been gone for maybe 18 months.
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  • organicmanfredorganicmanfred Member Posts: 3,236 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Was a reason ever given why we can't customise those photonic boffs? Being able to customise them would be the best option imo, giving players the choice of whatever uniform they want. Personally I'd go with the sierra outfit over the oddy any day, but then again I'm apparently rather odd. :P

    That reminds me, has there been any word on when female fed toons and boffs get the ankle length panels & pockets trousers back? They have the knee length ones, but the ankle length have been gone for maybe 18 months.


    No sir, you are not odd. I loved the Sierra uniform on him, but the Oddy now... it doesnt make him unique. Especially the beige, grey, blue colors dont do him any good. And for that price, I would love to have at least an unique uniform.

    I idiot dismissed my first one two years ago and bought him again recently with .. that uniform. :D
  • sythkainynsythkainyn Member Posts: 39 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Since it was mentioned the Elegant hairstyle no longer had a bald spot on Romulan females, I decided to go check, and upon finding it wasn't quite fully accurate, decided to check for a place to mention it, and a few other tailor issues that still seem to active.

    Elegant hairstyle (at least Romulan and Alien Female characters; and any of the following races that are able to use it - I tried them if they could, but can't remember which ones right off - of Vulcan, Human, Betazoid, Trill, Android, and Bajoran as well as Romulan and Alien) still have a small patch (smaller than before) of 'skin view' in the back, not noticeable from a distance maybe, but in the tailor, up close, or to people who are particularly observant or have certain detail issues... quite noticeable.
    Also the hair that falls against the forehead and cheeks falls INTO the forehead and cheek texture unless 4 sliders are near or at Maximum width (I believe it was Forehead Slope/width and Cranium Slope/Width) far above average sizes and producing a somewhat more pointed and eggish (tilted back) shaped head than I'm used to seeing on ... you know... people.
    Also, some races are still woefully absent of this hairstyle. Something I hope will be rectified if it's ever fully fixed. Ex. Orions.

    The ponytail 05 with the over the shoulder hair sometimes has a similar issue on it's over the cheek hair pieces with average and narrower features.

    The Female Mirror Universe Enterprise top has some texture issues along the ribs, sometimes even with very high (4-5) width chest slider. This is something that's been occurring since the nice addition of the chest width/depth and rib sliders.

    Male Romulans with certain shirts (the simple shirt being foremost in my memory) and the Romulan republic belts bleeds through the buckle with stomach/waist sizes below about 1.5. Might have been 1.3 or 1.7, it's actually very hard to gauge the actual sizes due to a lack of numerical accompaniment and manual by-number adjustment, and I can't remember if it's slightly above or below the 1.5 rough mark.

    On Males wearing loose long pants, Section 31 and Mercenary boots bleed through the backs of the pants rather badly. Oddly, this does not seem to happen with female Section 31 boots (forgot to check Mercenary).

    Andriod and Alien eye colors (the main eye, not the irises) sometimes latch on to tattoo color configurations. Randomizing usually unlocks it (like the ship tailor issue with colors that don't work at all) but require manually resetting the officer's head data in that section.

    Chest slider sizes smaller than 3, no matter how normal they might look in practically all other outfits including Orion female tops, look rather... odd in some of the swimwear... like parts are flattened out or removed and unusual straight lines take their place. The Halter swimwear is one such suit, as well as the monokini.

    Romulan characters still seem to be missing several pieces of armor gear in the tailor, mostly gear pieces such as chest items and arm/leg items.

    Almost forgot, Romulan height is lower than 6'6" unless aligned with KDF. It should be 6'6" to begin with.
  • captaind3captaind3 Member Posts: 2,449 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Was a reason ever given why we can't customise those photonic boffs? Being able to customise them would be the best option imo, giving players the choice of whatever uniform they want. Personally I'd go with the sierra outfit over the oddy any day, but then again I'm apparently rather odd. :P

    That reminds me, has there been any word on when female fed toons and boffs get the ankle length panels & pockets trousers back? They have the knee length ones, but the ankle length have been gone for maybe 18 months.

    I can understand why Photonic Boffs are unable to be customized. They are standard issue. Just like the Doctor, every single EMH mk I looks like Dr. Zimmerman and every EMH Mk II, looks like Andy ****.

    What I don't understand is why Romulan Embassy BOFFs do not have access to Republic Uniforms. Is there some hard coding issue? Or was this changed and I just missed it?
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  • captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    captaind3 wrote: »
    I can understand why Photonic Boffs are unable to be customized. They are standard issue. Just like the Doctor, every single EMH mk I looks like Dr. Zimmerman and every EMH Mk II, looks like Andy ****.

    What I don't understand is why Romulan Embassy BOFFs do not have access to Republic Uniforms. Is there some hard coding issue? Or was this changed and I just missed it?

    The EMH's are also photonic life forms, with their own rights as sentient beings iirc. Surely that right extends to having a customizable appearance? :P

    Anyway, rom embassy boffs are customizable now. I remember this because mine had a rather nice appearance (really strange for RNG boff appearance, I know) and when I logged in after that patch, he was reverted to a weird bald default look using civilian clothes. Totally lost the original appearance lol. But at least now they're customizable.
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