For everyone who Feels that there is no money in updating the Galaxy X, what was wrong with what I proposed?
Every species Gets a 3Pac Flag ship, and 3 Pac Dreadnought.
The Galaxy would get a 3Pac, So those who already purchased it should get an option to upgrade to the 3Pac for additional 2500 Zenny. BOOM. There's your profit.
Think about it. right now, the Galaxy X sits on 9 consoles, while Odyssey, Bortasqu', Haakona, Scimitar, And FLEET ships all sit on 10 Consoles.
Hypothetical: The Galaxy X got a Tactical/Engineer/Science update. Those who dont care to spend the 2500 Zenny to have all three, are be given the option to chose ONE to update to for 500 Zenny.
those who want the 3Pac set, pay 2500 Zenny, and receive all three. (This applies to those who ALREADY OWN THE GALAXY X)
How is there no money in this?????? There's PLENTY!!!!!
Further, to everyone else who doesn't own it yet, still pays 2500 Zenny per ship, OR 5000 Zenny for the 3Pac.
Its Really that easy... it really really really is...
It IS relevant, because a complaint thread that has the icing of a complaint wrapped in pretentious quotation marks (implying that someone important said it) is distracting and silly. It'd be a more effective post without it.
Stop trying to derail the thread and deal with the topic...the issue you have with his sig is better off handled in PMs rather then in his Thread that has nothing to do directly with his sig.
As for the Scimater....Ive heard and seen plenty of people come on here and wail and scream over the years about how this ship and that ship is gamebreaking and OP to all other ships every time theres a new ship release..I remember people complaining about the Galaxy X and how its Cloak gave it an advantage over other ships of the same Tier...
Every time a ship comes out people immediately presume that Cryptic has finally gone over to Pay2Win and that this next ship will be its first attempt to force us to buy things so we can enjoy the game.
After the two solid years of players COMPLAINING and WORRYING about anything and everything Cryptic does...I think they have a firm understanding of whats a no-no and whats good for customer-company relations. And Pay2Win Ships are not one of them.
The Bortasqu' is Officially the Klingon Dreadnought, Unofficially it is the Flag Ship.
This could mean a couple things.
1) There is a possibility Crytpic may not want to release separate ships for KDF. So they amalgamated the two entities.
2) It could also mean, just temporarily it is either Dreadnought, Or temporarily it is the Flag Ship until either an Independent Flag Ship or Independent Dreadnought are released.
The Link I provided, states CLEARLY what is the Dreadnought for All species. The bortasqu' Is listed among that list, and therefore is the Dreadnought.
It just so happens that Klingon's do not have a Flag Ship atm (or Dreadnought, whichever way you want to view it), so the Bortasqu's serves as the Command Ship/Dreadnought for the KDF.
The Bort is the flagship. Period. A flagship is just a designation that this ship is the command ship. There is no reason it can't be both. Actually given the nature of the KDF it makes sense the flagship is a dreadnought.
That site, is to show who has what as their Dreadnought. the Bortasqu' IS THE OFFICIAL DREADNOUGHT. Until later changed. Good Grief.
So let me get this straight. You're aware that the I.K.S. Bortasqu' was revealed as the KDF flagship... yet you will not accept the Vo'Quv as a dreadnought in its own right until STO meets your two conditions. Am I correct?
A faction can have more than one dreadnought type, you know.
Are they listed as Dreadnoughts for FEDERATION? No? then they are not the Federation Dreadnought.
No offense, but you were insulted by that guy because you are making a moot argument. That list shows What Race has what Ship as a Dreadnought. Not what constitutes as a Dreadnought. BUT WHO IS USING WHAT AS A DREADNOUGHT.
If the GORN suddenly use the Defiant as their Dreadnought, does that mean the Defiant is Star-fleet's Dreadnought? Derp... Good Grief dude.
Bring up that page again, Click the links... the links bring up which starship classes constitute as dreadnoughts for each race.
Well, I think the Scimitar is gorgeous. But so is the Galaxy X. However, i am going to use the ship that wins, and that is the Scimitar, hands down :P
The layout of the Scimitar is perfect. And there are 3 variants to choose from, very flexible.
BTW, the Scimitar is Trek. It was in the movie, that means that is a fact.
Please don't call Nemesis "the movie" - it was a twisted piece of junk passed off as a Star Trek film. The worst villain in all of Star Trek Lore, the second worst plot, and they killed data. We would all be better off if we could forget that piece of **** (junk obviously) and remove it from existence.
Please don't call Nemesis "the movie" - it was a twisted piece of junk passed off as a Star Trek film. The worst villain in all of Star Trek Lore, the second worst plot, and they killed data. We would all be better off if we could forget that piece of **** (junk obviously) and remove it from existence.
I have no problem whatsoever with the Scimitar being in-game as a model, it is canon and personally I love the design, so as I said no problems with it being in game (Aside from the fact people are shoving 25-30k BFAW aux2batt spam builds in my face saying "look how amazing I am in ISE, I can hit everything on the map including regenerating gates and transformers and get stupid dps numbers because I'm so cool")
What I have a problem with is Star Trek: Nemesis being called.. "The (Star Trek) movie". It wasn't the Star Trek movie, it was "a Star Trek movie" or more accurately "The worst Star Trek movie" or "A polished TRIBBLE passed off as a Star Trek Movie"
I have no problem whatsoever with the Scimitar being in-game as a model, it is canon and personally I love the design, so as I said no problems with it being in game (Aside from the fact people are shoving 25-30k BFAW aux2batt spam builds in my face saying "look how amazing I am in ISE, I can hit everything on the map including regenerating gates and transformers and get stupid dps numbers because I'm so cool")
What I have a problem with is Star Trek: Nemesis being called.. "The (Star Trek) movie". It wasn't the Star Trek movie, it was "a Star Trek movie" or more accurately "The worst Star Trek movie" or "A polished TRIBBLE passed off as a Star Trek Movie"
IMO fifth movie is far worse and the book of Nemesis was really good.
I have no problem whatsoever with the Scimitar being in-game as a model, it is canon and personally I love the design, so as I said no problems with it being in game (Aside from the fact people are shoving 25-30k BFAW aux2batt spam builds in my face saying "look how amazing I am in ISE, I can hit everything on the map including regenerating gates and transformers and get stupid dps numbers because I'm so cool")
What I have a problem with is Star Trek: Nemesis being called.. "The (Star Trek) movie". It wasn't the Star Trek movie, it was "a Star Trek movie" or more accurately "The worst Star Trek movie" or "A polished TRIBBLE passed off as a Star Trek Movie"
Sorry but the Prize for Worst Trek movie goes to The Motion Picture hands down.
Sorry but the Prize for Worst Trek movie goes to The Motion Picture hands down.
I would rather watch 2 hours of dull boring cinematic shots of the Enterprise with no action or storyline, over the POS that was Nemesis. Motion Picture was boring for sure, but it wasn't a terrible film by any stretch.
So let me get this straight. You're aware that the I.K.S. Bortasqu' was revealed as the KDF flagship... yet you will not accept the Vo'Quv as a dreadnought in its own right until STO meets your two conditions. Am I correct?
A faction can have more than one dreadnought type, you know.
Bring up that page again, Click the links... the links bring up which starship classes constitute as dreadnoughts for each race.
I dont think you understand what your talking about anymore.
1) WHAT is a Dreadnought?
2) WHO is the "Factions" Dreadnought?
Those are two separate questions.
Under that Link, its saying the Bortasqu' IS the Klingon Faction Dreadnought. My condition's are irrelevant. I'm going based on the official STO site.
Of Course, as I said earlier, Cryptic could very well Make a Designated Dreadnought as a Flag Ship, or release a designated flagship/dreadnought. Non the less, its changes nothing as to who is the CURRENT Klingon Dreadnought. Go Argue with Cryptic and tell them their wrong. Cause obviously your too prideful to admit your wrong, so it must be Cryptic. >_>
The Bort is the flagship. Period. A flagship is just a designation that this ship is the command ship. There is no reason it can't be both. Actually given the nature of the KDF it makes sense the flagship is a dreadnought.
As I said earlier, the Bort is Currently listed by Cryptic as the Dreadnought for KDF. It currently is the most powerful vessel in the KDF arsenal, so its also the Flagship.
It will remain as such until KDF Gets a designated Flag ship (like Feds got Odyssey, and Roms got Ha'Apax)
Or It will remain as such until Klingon's get a New Dreadnought, designated as their Dreadnought. In which case, the Bortasqu' serves as the KDF Flagship, that is a dreadnought class.
There is no reason one cannot have a Dreadnought as a flag Ship.
Thats why I said earlier, it depends on how you look at it. Its either the Flag ship thats a Dreadnought Class, or its a Dreadnought serving as a Flag ship. Either way, Its the Klingon's Dreadnought until an official release of Flag ship, or Official Release Dreadnought.
Like you just said, its Both. Go back and Read my older Post, I said its a possibility they amalgamated the two entities.
I just listed it as Dreadnought because the website lists it as the Klingon Dreadnought.
There is nothing really further to debate, because we will just go in circles.
Just a question : Am I the only one to think that the Scimitar was a kind of Monster invented for the movie than was not designed to have another iteration. I guess too that it should not have been in player hand. It is a bit like in a medieval setting allowing player to have Elder Dragons as combat pets. I don't think such monstruosity as the scimitar (with an illegal weapon) belong to the player outside a scenario. I fell the same for the awfull Nero's ship.
To be clear, I have no plroblem NPC vilain flying a scimitar.
In Star Trek, a dreadnought is either(and just getting this out of the way) an actual starship class in the Abramsverse, or the various starship classes designated as such in-universe.
Those are two separate questions.
Under that Link, its saying the Bortasqu' IS the Klingon Faction Dreadnought. My condition's are irrelevant. I'm going based on the official STO site.
Yes, but the Vo'Quv is also referred to as a dreadnought in-game(just as official as the site), and it's of the KDF faction.
Of Course, as I said earlier, Cryptic could very well Make a Designated Dreadnought as a Flag Ship, or release a designated flagship/dreadnought. Non the less, its changes nothing as to who is the CURRENT Klingon Dreadnought. Go Argue with Cryptic and tell them their wrong. Cause obviously your too prideful to admit your wrong, so it must be Cryptic. >_>
Yeah see it's not a whole class that's a flagship, it's one individual ship within a class that is designated as the flagship. For the KDF, it's the I.K.S. Bortasqu', which happens to be of the Bortasqu' class, which is a class of dreadnought. Same with the U.S.S. Enterprise-F, which is an Odyssey-class dreadnought. The flagships are of playable dreadnoughts, but aren't playable themselves. When you're playing as a Bortasqu', you are not playing as the I.K.S. Bortasqu'.
My argument in no way conflicts with Cryptic. In fact, I am merely professing what Cryptic has already established.
Just a question : Am I the only one to think that the Scimitar was a kind of Monster invented for the movie than was not designed to have another iteration. I guess too that it should not have been in player hand. It is a bit like in a medieval setting allowing player to have Elder Dragons as combat pets. I don't think such monstruosity as the scimitar (with an illegal weapon) belong to the player outside a scenario. I fell the same for the awfull Nero's ship.
To be clear, I have no plroblem NPC vilain flying a scimitar.
As I said earlier, the Bort is Currently listed by Cryptic as the Dreadnought for KDF.
There is no "the" dreadnought. It's "a" dreadnought. The NPC Voquvs flitting about KDF space are named "Vo'quv Dreadnought". You can have Voquv Dreadnoughts and Bortas Dreadnoughts and even Kar'fi Dreadnoughts, if you like. As many classes of Dreadnoughts as we like. It's not exclusive.
Just a question : Am I the only one to think that the Scimitar was a kind of Monster invented for the movie than was not designed to have another iteration. I guess too that it should not have been in player hand. It is a bit like in a medieval setting allowing player to have Elder Dragons as combat pets. I don't think such monstruosity as the scimitar (with an illegal weapon) belong to the player outside a scenario. I fell the same for the awfull Nero's ship.
To be clear, I have no plroblem NPC vilain flying a scimitar.
Am I wrong?
I agree, though I had a better idea, which I really hoped Cryptic would have done:
The new Romulan dictatorship finds the original plans for the Scimitar, but they're both incomplete (early draft) and it'd be too expensive to build anyway (nevermind that the federation would go berserk if they started using thelaron). So they build three new classes of ship based on aspects of the Scimitar design.
1) A Dreadnought engineer type, most closely resembling the original Scimitar, but not absurdly overpowered. Very similar in features to the Orion flight-deck cruiser.
2) A Carrier science type. A full carrier, a bit slower, more sci, two full hangars, etc.
3) A smaller, faster, tactical type. A CVE along the lines of the Armitage.
Like all romulan ships, they'd be able to cloak, each would have it's own specialty. Perhaps something like the engineering one being able to shield while cloaked, the carrier being able to extend its cloak over its fighters, and the tactical would have a "super weapon", but since thelaron is out, it wouldn't be able to kill planets, but also wouldn't take as long to charge up. Something more like that phaser lance from the Gal-X.
Just a question : Am I the only one to think that the Scimitar was a kind of Monster invented for the movie than was not designed to have another iteration. I guess too that it should not have been in player hand. It is a bit like in a medieval setting allowing player to have Elder Dragons as combat pets. I don't think such monstruosity as the scimitar (with an illegal weapon) belong to the player outside a scenario. I fell the same for the awfull Nero's ship.
To be clear, I have no plroblem NPC vilain flying a scimitar.
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Every species Gets a 3Pac Flag ship, and 3 Pac Dreadnought.
The Galaxy would get a 3Pac, So those who already purchased it should get an option to upgrade to the 3Pac for additional 2500 Zenny. BOOM. There's your profit.
Think about it. right now, the Galaxy X sits on 9 consoles, while Odyssey, Bortasqu', Haakona, Scimitar, And FLEET ships all sit on 10 Consoles.
Hypothetical: The Galaxy X got a Tactical/Engineer/Science update. Those who dont care to spend the 2500 Zenny to have all three, are be given the option to chose ONE to update to for 500 Zenny.
those who want the 3Pac set, pay 2500 Zenny, and receive all three. (This applies to those who ALREADY OWN THE GALAXY X)
How is there no money in this?????? There's PLENTY!!!!!
Further, to everyone else who doesn't own it yet, still pays 2500 Zenny per ship, OR 5000 Zenny for the 3Pac.
Its Really that easy... it really really really is...
Stop trying to derail the thread and deal with the topic...the issue you have with his sig is better off handled in PMs rather then in his Thread that has nothing to do directly with his sig.
As for the Scimater....Ive heard and seen plenty of people come on here and wail and scream over the years about how this ship and that ship is gamebreaking and OP to all other ships every time theres a new ship release..I remember people complaining about the Galaxy X and how its Cloak gave it an advantage over other ships of the same Tier...
Every time a ship comes out people immediately presume that Cryptic has finally gone over to Pay2Win and that this next ship will be its first attempt to force us to buy things so we can enjoy the game.
After the two solid years of players COMPLAINING and WORRYING about anything and everything Cryptic does...I think they have a firm understanding of whats a no-no and whats good for customer-company relations. And Pay2Win Ships are not one of them.
The Bort is the flagship. Period. A flagship is just a designation that this ship is the command ship. There is no reason it can't be both. Actually given the nature of the KDF it makes sense the flagship is a dreadnought.
So let me get this straight. You're aware that the I.K.S. Bortasqu' was revealed as the KDF flagship... yet you will not accept the Vo'Quv as a dreadnought in its own right until STO meets your two conditions. Am I correct?
A faction can have more than one dreadnought type, you know.
Bring up that page again, Click the links... the links bring up which starship classes constitute as dreadnoughts for each race.
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Well, I think the Scimitar is gorgeous. But so is the Galaxy X. However, i am going to use the ship that wins, and that is the Scimitar, hands down :P
The layout of the Scimitar is perfect. And there are 3 variants to choose from, very flexible.
BTW, the Scimitar is Trek. It was in the movie, that means that is a fact.
Please don't call Nemesis "the movie" - it was a twisted piece of junk passed off as a Star Trek film. The worst villain in all of Star Trek Lore, the second worst plot, and they killed data. We would all be better off if we could forget that piece of **** (junk obviously) and remove it from existence.
Absolutely shocking.
Kirk's Protege.
Just saying.
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I have no problem whatsoever with the Scimitar being in-game as a model, it is canon and personally I love the design, so as I said no problems with it being in game (Aside from the fact people are shoving 25-30k BFAW aux2batt spam builds in my face saying "look how amazing I am in ISE, I can hit everything on the map including regenerating gates and transformers and get stupid dps numbers because I'm so cool")
What I have a problem with is Star Trek: Nemesis being called.. "The (Star Trek) movie". It wasn't the Star Trek movie, it was "a Star Trek movie" or more accurately "The worst Star Trek movie" or "A polished TRIBBLE passed off as a Star Trek Movie"
Kirk's Protege.
IMO fifth movie is far worse and the book of Nemesis was really good.
ST:V was pretty terrible, you're right. I still don't think it was worse than Nemesis though.
Never read any of the books, so I'll have to take your word for it.
Kirk's Protege.
Sorry but the Prize for Worst Trek movie goes to The Motion Picture hands down.
I would rather watch 2 hours of dull boring cinematic shots of the Enterprise with no action or storyline, over the POS that was Nemesis. Motion Picture was boring for sure, but it wasn't a terrible film by any stretch.
Kirk's Protege.
I dont think you understand what your talking about anymore.
1) WHAT is a Dreadnought?
2) WHO is the "Factions" Dreadnought?
Those are two separate questions.
Under that Link, its saying the Bortasqu' IS the Klingon Faction Dreadnought. My condition's are irrelevant. I'm going based on the official STO site.
Of Course, as I said earlier, Cryptic could very well Make a Designated Dreadnought as a Flag Ship, or release a designated flagship/dreadnought. Non the less, its changes nothing as to who is the CURRENT Klingon Dreadnought. Go Argue with Cryptic and tell them their wrong. Cause obviously your too prideful to admit your wrong, so it must be Cryptic. >_>
As I said earlier, the Bort is Currently listed by Cryptic as the Dreadnought for KDF. It currently is the most powerful vessel in the KDF arsenal, so its also the Flagship.
It will remain as such until KDF Gets a designated Flag ship (like Feds got Odyssey, and Roms got Ha'Apax)
Or It will remain as such until Klingon's get a New Dreadnought, designated as their Dreadnought. In which case, the Bortasqu' serves as the KDF Flagship, that is a dreadnought class.
There is no reason one cannot have a Dreadnought as a flag Ship.
Thats why I said earlier, it depends on how you look at it. Its either the Flag ship thats a Dreadnought Class, or its a Dreadnought serving as a Flag ship. Either way, Its the Klingon's Dreadnought until an official release of Flag ship, or Official Release Dreadnought.
Like you just said, its Both. Go back and Read my older Post, I said its a possibility they amalgamated the two entities.
I just listed it as Dreadnought because the website lists it as the Klingon Dreadnought.
There is nothing really further to debate, because we will just go in circles.
To be clear, I have no plroblem NPC vilain flying a scimitar.
Am I wrong?
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http://lamaisondesdrakkens.clan-box.com/index.php
In Star Trek, a dreadnought is either(and just getting this out of the way) an actual starship class in the Abramsverse, or the various starship classes designated as such in-universe.
Which faction...?
Yes, but the Vo'Quv is also referred to as a dreadnought in-game(just as official as the site), and it's of the KDF faction.
Yeah see it's not a whole class that's a flagship, it's one individual ship within a class that is designated as the flagship. For the KDF, it's the I.K.S. Bortasqu', which happens to be of the Bortasqu' class, which is a class of dreadnought. Same with the U.S.S. Enterprise-F, which is an Odyssey-class dreadnought. The flagships are of playable dreadnoughts, but aren't playable themselves. When you're playing as a Bortasqu', you are not playing as the I.K.S. Bortasqu'.
My argument in no way conflicts with Cryptic. In fact, I am merely professing what Cryptic has already established.
I agree.
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I agree, though I had a better idea, which I really hoped Cryptic would have done:
The new Romulan dictatorship finds the original plans for the Scimitar, but they're both incomplete (early draft) and it'd be too expensive to build anyway (nevermind that the federation would go berserk if they started using thelaron). So they build three new classes of ship based on aspects of the Scimitar design.
1) A Dreadnought engineer type, most closely resembling the original Scimitar, but not absurdly overpowered. Very similar in features to the Orion flight-deck cruiser.
2) A Carrier science type. A full carrier, a bit slower, more sci, two full hangars, etc.
3) A smaller, faster, tactical type. A CVE along the lines of the Armitage.
Like all romulan ships, they'd be able to cloak, each would have it's own specialty. Perhaps something like the engineering one being able to shield while cloaked, the carrier being able to extend its cloak over its fighters, and the tactical would have a "super weapon", but since thelaron is out, it wouldn't be able to kill planets, but also wouldn't take as long to charge up. Something more like that phaser lance from the Gal-X.
Agree, I do.
So is Abrams "Trek", so is the Star Wars Christmas Special "Star Warsy", but that doesn't mean it should be in the game as the #1 ship everyone wants.
This is how it suppose to be:
Scimitar = Rare
D'deridex = Common
See how you got it backwards there.