Ok i'm gonna try and point this into a way that's fair for everyone.
Yes, we all know that this is a game and things will not quite be fair as it should be, but the fact is engineers get the short end of the stick.
Period.
We have no power in our weapons we don't get any good skills like sci officers. (Grav well ect.) and we don't have a tactical console advantage.
We are at the low end of the power tree in STO and we need things to change in some way or form to keep us in fair standing with the other ships and captains out there.
People that say we are just moaning either don't play as an engineer or have no idea of the struggle we have to face to be of any use to anyone in this game, its dominated by tactical and sci captains in PVP.
Where we are just the cannon fodder and this new ship will most likely be the end of any engineer taking part in PVP again.
In this game, engineers are the healers. I have one engineer character, and what I do mostly in PUG STFs is to heal the newb escorts. I say newb, cos the veteran escorts can heal themselves quite well.
What would make engineers have a role, would be content what'd require extensive and constant healing.
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In this game, engineers are the healers. I have one engineer character, and what I do mostly in PUG STFs is to heal the newb escorts. I say newb, cos the veteran escorts can heal themselves quite well.
What would make engineers have a role, would be content what'd require extensive and constant healing.
The only Engineer innates that can be cast on others are EPS Power Transfer which is not even a heal and Engineering Fleet which is darned useless. There is nothing at all stopping a Tac or Sci from loading up a healboat Galaxy as opposed to an Engineer.
If you want something to fly like the Regent, fly the Regent. Stop trying to homogenize the game.
Of course i would... if i had the option on kdf side.
I never said i want the tor'kaht to have a different layout, just saying kdf cruisers are not optimal for pvp dps despite popular belief.
Of course there is the Galor, but it's not klingon design and it is very expensive.
I purchased a Galaxy X Dreadnought 2 weeks ago and then just recently I saw the Romulan version of the Dreadnought, Scimitar which was WAY more powerful and has way more useful abilities. What do we get in the Galaxy X? A pathetic cloaking device that all romulan and klingon ships already have?! Not even usable in battle! And a spinal phaser thats nowhere near as powerful as it should be. Im not asking for an I WIN button but come on it should be so much better!
And now these scimitars make it look even worse!
BUFF THE GALAXY X
Now to address your post, I don't think the FED Flagship should have "more" Tactical consoles, as the FED side of the Triumvirate would be more engineering based. The KDF side should be mostly tactical based, and honestly the Scimitars should be Science based. If you disagree, then think about the canon from the movie this ship is based off. What did this ship have besides a giant awesome looking hull, and cloaking/hangers. It had a huge Thelaron lab dedicated to using this technology as a super weapon against it's enemies. This ship should be science oriented, even if you make 3 like the others(which I believe you are) then even though there is a tactical and engineering ship as well, they should still be more science themed like the odyssey's no matter Tactical/Engineering/Science are still Engineering themed.
How do we know that a ship of the Tulwar class isn't the Romulan flagship? You know, the Scimitar variant with 3 Tactical consoles, 2 Engineering, 5 Science...
Here is the reaction from PWE execs if they were to ever read your post: 'trolololol'.
Buffing something most people already purchased won't fill their pockets. Instead, when enough players complain here, they'll create a new tri-pack for your hard earned cash and tell ya "feeeeeeed me".
Here is the reaction from PWE execs if they were to ever read your post: 'trolololol'.
Buffing something most people already purchased won't fill their pockets. Instead, when enough players complain here, they'll create a new tri-pack for your hard earned cash and tell ya "feeeeeeed me".
Other than being the oldest designed special ship, what is wrong with it?
Many vessels in STO become obsolete as one levels up through thr anks, why should the Gal-X be special?
Other than being the oldest designed special ship, what is wrong with it?
Many vessels in STO become obsolete as one levels up through thr anks, why should the Gal-X be special?
because they are all the top tier ships ? think about it.
i for myself own all the different dreadnought classes of fed, klink and roms
and now guys open your eyes. the new scimitar is way more powerful than all other ships before. the thalaron weapon may be TRIBBLE for pvp but in pve it?s a really great spike dmg.
and look at all the other features it has. it gets a much better set bonus for all 3 ships then the bortas and the oddy
it has a better weapon setup than the bortas. the first 5 front weapon cannon cruiser .... why does the bortas not have also 5 front weapons ? it?s a damn big klink cannon cruiser ...
it gets an extra hangar slot without losing anything for it. both the oddy and the bortas need a console slot for their "pet" with it?s 3 MINUTE cd ...
also the other consoles are stronger. 15 seconds full fire while cloaked, thats crazy
and the -50 weapon power after the 15 seconds - laughable. with a good energy transfer that is no match.
the secondary shields which absord about 17-18k dmg each facing
and the most OP : cloaked with full shields. with this damn beast noone never has to worry about incoming torpedos while using battlecloak, the shields will absorb it
so YES. all other top tier ships need some love, but i think cryptic has only love left for the new romulans
because they are all the top tier ships ? think about it.
i for myself own all the different dreadnought classes of fed, klink and roms
and now guys open your eyes. the new scimitar is way more powerful than all other ships before. the thalaron weapon may be TRIBBLE for pvp but in pve it?s a really great spike dmg.
and look at all the other features it has. it gets a much better set bonus for all 3 ships then the bortas and the oddy
it has a better weapon setup than the bortas. the first 5 front weapon cannon cruiser .... why does the bortas not have also 5 front weapons ? it?s a damn big klink cannon cruiser ...
it gets an extra hangar slot without losing anything for it. both the oddy and the bortas need a console slot for their "pet" with it?s 3 MINUTE cd ...
also the other consoles are stronger. 15 seconds full fire while cloaked, thats crazy
and the -50 weapon power after the 15 seconds - laughable. with a good energy transfer that is no match.
the secondary shields which absord about 17-18k dmg each facing
and the most OP : cloaked with full shields. with this damn beast noone never has to worry about incoming torpedos while using battlecloak, the shields will absorb it
so YES. all other top tier ships need some love, but i think cryptic has only love left for the new romulans
But that's precisely not the point of this thread. It's not about bringin all ships onto the same level, but about some ships that are appearently more "worthy" of that than others.
Either do all or none.
If all the dreadnoughts are supposed to be "balanced" like the D'Deridex is supposed to be the Romulan mirror to the Negh'var and Galaxy. Then WHY is the Scimitar about 10 times more powerful with a better tactical layout, better consoles and superior firepower. Anybody notice how ships like the Galaxy-X Dreadnought have been shafted again!
Why has there been no update to both Klingon and Federation Dreadnoughts (Possibly the Odyssey because its a 3 pack) to be competitive with this new ship.
Bet Cryptic won't do this... they are having too much fun milking the Romulan fanbase now. Hi Klinks, we're the Federation, we had our day but now we are going to join you in mediocrity.
Uh oh, better call the Wambulance...
Who ever said the scimitar was on par with the Galaxy X or Bortas? Head to head in (not in STO), the scimitar would have annihilated either of them. the only reason the scimitar was destroyed was because Shinzon needed Picard and wouldn't destroy the enterprise.
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Well, I saw the stats. The Federation Dreadnought is now the weakest endgame ship. time for this captain to retire to Risa until a new Dreadnought is constructed.
That's nothing new to the old Star Fleet battles gamers.
Don't know about it being a 'complete joke', but it has definitely fallen behind - FAR behind - most of the other T5 ship options, to the point where it's not really viable and really only for players who love the look of it.
Hopefully the Fleet version will address some of this, but there is still not ETA on when that might become available.
I fly the galaxy-X from time to time, but it's far from a powerful vessel.
If you get huge opponents who sit still then in theory you could unleash a lot of firepower with DHC, but the low turn rate makes it only viable with beam arrays and cannons
Love the way it looks, but some changes to turn rate and addition of extra boffs and potentially a hangar would be very nice.
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If all the dreadnoughts are supposed to be "balanced" like the D'Deridex is supposed to be the Romulan mirror to the Negh'var and Galaxy. Then WHY is the Scimitar about 10 times more powerful with a better tactical layout, better consoles and superior firepower. Anybody notice how ships like the Galaxy-X Dreadnought have been shafted again!
Why has there been no update to both Klingon and Federation Dreadnoughts (Possibly the Odyssey because its a 3 pack) to be competitive with this new ship.
Bet Cryptic won't do this... they are having too much fun milking the Romulan fanbase now. Hi Klinks, we're the Federation, we had our day but now we are going to join you in mediocrity.
My Rom has a Scimitar and my Klink Orion a Bortasqu..... the SCimitar is really not vastly more powerful. It cannot carry any more weapons than the Haakona (it merely sacrifices a rear weapon for an addiitonal forward weapon... it is still an 8 weapon layout, merely 5 fore and 3 aft rather than 4 fore and 4 aft) and only has 2 additional console slots, which meant one less console I could carry carry over from my old ship once I added all three dreadnought consoles.
The Scimatar isn't really more powerful then these ships, just different. The foolish Scimatar captain who tries to use Thaleron pulse against a Bortas with all three consoles will die a painful death as they just made it silly easy to turn auto cannon and all its weapons on the Scimatar and its pet on it to rip it appart before it fires.
I will admit universal bridge officer slots are being abused and should be exclusive to BoPs. Still the Scimatar is not over powered when you really look all the info and think about it seriously.
Yes, pardon me old Chap, I need to fire off my thalaron pulse, you wouldn't mind holding still for 12 seconds while I do this, would you?
I'll be honest, I personally find myself using the secondary shield and the cloaked barrage options far more than the thalaron pulse. Except against slow moving AI targets, the thalaron is useess
Other than being the oldest designed special ship, what is wrong with it?
Many vessels in STO become obsolete as one levels up through thr anks, why should the Gal-X be special?
Because the Scimitar is. Why should the Romulans have a special awesome 10 console slot ship while Fed gets a pretty standard ship.
its more powerfull, cause cryptic wants everyone to scramble to buy it.. they have kind of admitted to this in the past.. i believe captain geko said somehting like to this effect about lock box ships.. but i doubt it would stop there.. pay to win for the win.. (this is one of many reasons i quit the game..)
^^^^This! This is your answer. It's all about bringing in more money. :cool:
and now guys open your eyes. the new scimitar is way more powerful than all other ships before. the thalaron weapon may be TRIBBLE for pvp but in pve it?s a really great spike dmg.
A spike damage that take 12seconds to charge ? While you can't shoot or turn or anything ? That's not a spike damage, that's just something to have big numbers for fun.
On a parser, the thalaron pulse do 5-6K DPS. That's an average player DPS. Nothing to see here, I can spike much more with a tac. And a good player will make more DPS by just shooting instead of using the pulse.
it has a better weapon setup than the bortas. the first 5 front weapon cannon cruiser .... why does the bortas not have also 5 front weapons ? it?s a damn big klink cannon cruiser
With a turn rate of 7, while the Kumari have 16. Make it a turn rate of 8, if you have 2 consoles. That's still very low, and you need some work to make it turn quickly enough to use DHC, not to mention the very high inertia, that make you slide several km after every speed boost.
the secondary shields which absord about 17-18k dmg each facing
Which is nothing. In eSTF, you'll loose it in seconds.
i think cryptic has only love left for the new romulans
It's a new faction, expect new toys for them, as they are lacking a lot compared to the feds, and even the klingons.
People need to stop whinning and test the ship. It's a good ship, but it's not op. It takes a good player to make it powerful, IE using DHC and still be efficient. Otherwise, it's an Akira with a third of it's turn rate.
I honestly think the scimitar is as powerful as the Kumari or the Vesta, taking ship I like and know as example. They are just different, you don't expect them to work the same way.
A Vesta is very powerful with full power to aux (including the new warp core for 130 aux power) + GW3 + sensor scan (if sci) + CSV + TS, it will make huge AOE and help your team with CC and debuffs. And still be decent for team healing and mono target DPS.
A Kumari is extremely good for spike damage, and hunting fast moving target in PVE.
A Scimitar is weak for CC and chasing EPtE buffed sphere, but it's a real threat when it comes to slow moving/immobile targets. For example, I had a lot of fun nuking the probes and neg'var in CSE, a lot less chasing the fast moving sphere in ISE.
I have fun using all of them, and never feel one is stronger than the other. They are simply different.
LOL, speaking of its inertia.... my first trial run on it to test it out, I attempted to do a dead stop attack out of cloak and my inertia carried me past my target.... (opps) which is little good, as while everyone is harping on its 5 forward weapons slots... it only has 3 aft.... the thing can carry no more weapons on it that my Haakona or Ha'apex could... it merely moved one from aft to foreward..... needless to say, that is primarily what the trial runs are for... to get the feel of the ship in movement.
But yeah... the people calling this thing OP are speaking out of their TRIBBLE.
Why do the feds deserve an upgrade everytime something new comes out ingame?
The Gal-X is one of many top tier ships ingame, why is it special?
because while its a high tier ship, have you flown it lately? It's not in line with any of the other ships of its line Especially when you compare the Romulan Dreadnought to the Galaxy-X (Federation Dreadnought) and its really one of the only Warships we have.
I am going to agree with the arguement in comparison with the Galaxy X and the Simitar, for the longest time many players have out right requested the Galaxy Class Dreadnought get a Tactical Boff Station upgrade, which is what the ship deserves.
The only thing I that I really got to say, if they make a Fleet version of the Simitar for Romulans, they also better make one of the Galaxy X for the Fed side as well, I am not sure about the Klingon side, thus I will leave that to one who knows. It's only fair, and I will be the first of many to step up and say something about it if a Galaxy X never makes it as fleet ship but the Simitar does.
I am going to agree with the arguement in comparison with the Galaxy X and the Simitar, for the longest time many players have out right requested the Galaxy Class Dreadnought get a Tactical Boff Station upgrade, which is what the ship deserves.
The only thing I that I really got to say, if they make a Fleet version of the Simitar for Romulans, they also better make one of the Galaxy X for the Fed side as well, I am not sure about the Klingon side, thus I will leave that to one who knows. It's only fair, and I will be the first of many to step up and say something about it if a Galaxy X never makes it as fleet ship but the Simitar does.
They will likely maker a fleet version of the scim.... they likely won't of the galaxy-x... the FED and KDF have fleet-store of comparable ships as the scim in the Bort and Ody, nothing wrong with the Roms getting an equiv as well.... saying that they shouldn't get one unless fed get yet another is absurd.
Uh, no. They don't make fleet versions of ships that already have 10 consoles.
I was talking fleet-store really... used it later, sorry, typo. But yes, there is no more likely for this to be get a specialized fleet version than the Ody or Bort. Why the Galaxy-X junkies are hammering for a specialized fleet version when no one else has one is beyond me.
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In this game, engineers are the healers. I have one engineer character, and what I do mostly in PUG STFs is to heal the newb escorts.
What would make engineers have a role, would be content what'd require extensive and constant healing.
The only Engineer innates that can be cast on others are EPS Power Transfer which is not even a heal and Engineering Fleet which is darned useless. There is nothing at all stopping a Tac or Sci from loading up a healboat Galaxy as opposed to an Engineer.
I never said i want the tor'kaht to have a different layout, just saying kdf cruisers are not optimal for pvp dps despite popular belief.
Of course there is the Galor, but it's not klingon design and it is very expensive.
And now these scimitars make it look even worse!
BUFF THE GALAXY X
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Here is the reaction from PWE execs if they were to ever read your post: 'trolololol'.
Buffing something most people already purchased won't fill their pockets. Instead, when enough players complain here, they'll create a new tri-pack for your hard earned cash and tell ya "feeeeeeed me".
How about FIX THE GALAXY X
Other than being the oldest designed special ship, what is wrong with it?
Many vessels in STO become obsolete as one levels up through thr anks, why should the Gal-X be special?
R.I.P
because they are all the top tier ships ? think about it.
i for myself own all the different dreadnought classes of fed, klink and roms
and now guys open your eyes. the new scimitar is way more powerful than all other ships before. the thalaron weapon may be TRIBBLE for pvp but in pve it?s a really great spike dmg.
and look at all the other features it has. it gets a much better set bonus for all 3 ships then the bortas and the oddy
it has a better weapon setup than the bortas. the first 5 front weapon cannon cruiser .... why does the bortas not have also 5 front weapons ? it?s a damn big klink cannon cruiser ...
it gets an extra hangar slot without losing anything for it. both the oddy and the bortas need a console slot for their "pet" with it?s 3 MINUTE cd ...
also the other consoles are stronger. 15 seconds full fire while cloaked, thats crazy
and the -50 weapon power after the 15 seconds - laughable. with a good energy transfer that is no match.
the secondary shields which absord about 17-18k dmg each facing
and the most OP : cloaked with full shields. with this damn beast noone never has to worry about incoming torpedos while using battlecloak, the shields will absorb it
so YES. all other top tier ships need some love, but i think cryptic has only love left for the new romulans
But that's precisely not the point of this thread. It's not about bringin all ships onto the same level, but about some ships that are appearently more "worthy" of that than others.
Either do all or none.
R.I.P
Uh oh, better call the Wambulance...
Who ever said the scimitar was on par with the Galaxy X or Bortas? Head to head in (not in STO), the scimitar would have annihilated either of them. the only reason the scimitar was destroyed was because Shinzon needed Picard and wouldn't destroy the enterprise.
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That's nothing new to the old Star Fleet battles gamers.
I fly the galaxy-X from time to time, but it's far from a powerful vessel.
If you get huge opponents who sit still then in theory you could unleash a lot of firepower with DHC, but the low turn rate makes it only viable with beam arrays and cannons
Love the way it looks, but some changes to turn rate and addition of extra boffs and potentially a hangar would be very nice.
My Rom has a Scimitar and my Klink Orion a Bortasqu..... the SCimitar is really not vastly more powerful. It cannot carry any more weapons than the Haakona (it merely sacrifices a rear weapon for an addiitonal forward weapon... it is still an 8 weapon layout, merely 5 fore and 3 aft rather than 4 fore and 4 aft) and only has 2 additional console slots, which meant one less console I could carry carry over from my old ship once I added all three dreadnought consoles.
Yes, pardon me old Chap, I need to fire off my thalaron pulse, you wouldn't mind holding still for 12 seconds while I do this, would you?
I'll be honest, I personally find myself using the secondary shield and the cloaked barrage options far more than the thalaron pulse. Except against slow moving AI targets, the thalaron is useess
Because the Scimitar is. Why should the Romulans have a special awesome 10 console slot ship while Fed gets a pretty standard ship.
^^^^This! This is your answer. It's all about bringing in more money. :cool:
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On a parser, the thalaron pulse do 5-6K DPS. That's an average player DPS. Nothing to see here, I can spike much more with a tac. And a good player will make more DPS by just shooting instead of using the pulse.
With a turn rate of 7, while the Kumari have 16. Make it a turn rate of 8, if you have 2 consoles. That's still very low, and you need some work to make it turn quickly enough to use DHC, not to mention the very high inertia, that make you slide several km after every speed boost.
Which is nothing. In eSTF, you'll loose it in seconds.
It's a new faction, expect new toys for them, as they are lacking a lot compared to the feds, and even the klingons.
People need to stop whinning and test the ship. It's a good ship, but it's not op. It takes a good player to make it powerful, IE using DHC and still be efficient. Otherwise, it's an Akira with a third of it's turn rate.
I honestly think the scimitar is as powerful as the Kumari or the Vesta, taking ship I like and know as example. They are just different, you don't expect them to work the same way.
A Vesta is very powerful with full power to aux (including the new warp core for 130 aux power) + GW3 + sensor scan (if sci) + CSV + TS, it will make huge AOE and help your team with CC and debuffs. And still be decent for team healing and mono target DPS.
A Kumari is extremely good for spike damage, and hunting fast moving target in PVE.
A Scimitar is weak for CC and chasing EPtE buffed sphere, but it's a real threat when it comes to slow moving/immobile targets. For example, I had a lot of fun nuking the probes and neg'var in CSE, a lot less chasing the fast moving sphere in ISE.
I have fun using all of them, and never feel one is stronger than the other. They are simply different.
But yeah... the people calling this thing OP are speaking out of their TRIBBLE.
Why do the feds deserve an upgrade everytime something new comes out ingame?
The Gal-X is one of many top tier ships ingame, why is it special?
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What's the KDF Dreadnought?
because while its a high tier ship, have you flown it lately? It's not in line with any of the other ships of its line Especially when you compare the Romulan Dreadnought to the Galaxy-X (Federation Dreadnought) and its really one of the only Warships we have.
Changes to turn rate are unlikely. Especially for a ship that has been around as long as that one.
It is very much in-line with the federation cruisers.
It stacks up just fine against non-fleet variant T5 ships, including such other c-store purchases as the Retrofit Galaxy.
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The only thing I that I really got to say, if they make a Fleet version of the Simitar for Romulans, they also better make one of the Galaxy X for the Fed side as well, I am not sure about the Klingon side, thus I will leave that to one who knows. It's only fair, and I will be the first of many to step up and say something about it if a Galaxy X never makes it as fleet ship but the Simitar does.
They will likely maker a fleet version of the scim.... they likely won't of the galaxy-x... the FED and KDF have fleet-store of comparable ships as the scim in the Bort and Ody, nothing wrong with the Roms getting an equiv as well.... saying that they shouldn't get one unless fed get yet another is absurd.
I was talking fleet-store really... used it later, sorry, typo. But yes, there is no more likely for this to be get a specialized fleet version than the Ody or Bort. Why the Galaxy-X junkies are hammering for a specialized fleet version when no one else has one is beyond me.