Unfortunately you're correct. Coupled with the fact that the Devs are never going to respond to criticisms is just the tip of the iceberg of STO's problems.
Not entirely true - I see Lots of people upset about the low hull on such a big ship.
And even more upset that all 3 have the same Boff slots.
This is a big sales item for them - I have high hopes that they will listen to the sales numbers and make adjustments accordingly.
And Devs often respond to criticism - although lately it has been really lacking. I would love to hear Al Rivera and a few other explain why they have choosen this path of a low hull - same boff layout for all ships.
One telling thing is the lack of posts in this thread - it's just kind of average - not like many of the last 3 pack releases.
Obisek I think said it best. "They are horrible weapons, should never have been invented. But when you are fighting for survival..."
You can't Thalaron planets after all (Or bombard planets at all other then the occasional mission specific incident or special engineer skill) so frankly thalaroning a ship? Well, there are already weapon that kill extra crew units. HarghPeng, etc.
Frankly, it's the one thing that would separate the Romulans from the others. Not being evil or such nonsense, but the putting of their people's survival first, no matter what they need to do to ensure that survival. If anything I see the Thalaron weapon as the "nuke" of Star Trek. Do you just chuck the antilife at the slightest excuse? No. Like Obisek considered them, a weapon of last resort.
And Devs often respond to criticism - although lately it has been really lacking. I would love to hear Al Rivera and a few other explain why they have choosen this path of a low hull - same boff layout for all ships.
One telling thing is the lack of posts in this thread - it's just kind of average - not like many of the last 3 pack releases.
I've been here since STOs launch and once upon a time Dev forum interaction to criticism was really good. Nowadays it's been lacking. This was well shown with LOR launch and server issues. Some Dev interaction and transparency would've helped a lot with the community backlash but instead the Devs have become mostly silent. Games like LOL have Devs that regularly forum post and interact with all sorts of threads, having cme back to STO after a long lol stint this was something that struck me as missing in STO.
I've been here since STOs launch and once upon a time Dev forum interaction to criticism was really good. Nowadays it's been lacking. This was well shown with LOR launch and server issues. Some Dev interaction and transparency would've helped a lot with the community backlash but instead the Devs have become mostly silent. Games like LOL have Devs that regularly forum post and interact with all sorts of threads, having cme back to STO after a long lol stint this was something that struck me as missing in STO.
I just call it like I see it -I was hoping this would be a big release for them - but what I am seeing so far is just average response.
Systems Designer Andrew "ArchonCryptic" Rowe reveals more details about the Romulan Dreadnought Warbirds in this entry of the Legacy of Romulus News Dev Blog series.
Are you seriously kidding me? It's a "slow" ship, yet has a higher turn rate than a Galaxy, more firepower, a hangar slot, and can near replicate the Galaxy's Boff Layout?
I tend to be reserved as to not weaken the appearance of my comments, but this is utter garbage. After this, Geko/Rivera can not say the "ships are balanced". I want to see a boost to all crappy Fed Cruisers next month.
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
@Newromulan1 it could be TRIBBLE. It could be one of the best ships in the game.
It all comes down to the guy/girl In the ship. No need to mood. It's just a game.
Say I'm TRIBBLE call me what ever you want.
Have fun.
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@Newromulan1 it could be TRIBBLE. It could be one of the best ships in the game.
It all comes down to the guy/girl In the ship. No need to mood. It's just a game.
Say I'm TRIBBLE call me what ever you want.
Have fun.
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I don't do name calling - I hope you like the ships - I just see almost no response to this ship across the forums compared to the last 3 pack releases - not even the pvpers have much to say.
I just see a failure to launch - and that makes me sad:(
I agree about the lack of Science vessels for Romulans. Hopefully, they are thinking it is better to add slowly than hastily. Nonetheless, seems like an opportunity missed not have the science abilities for the Tulwar. Aesthetically the three ships look well done inside & out with nice statistics as well. Maybe the Lifetime subscription ship for Romulans will be Science orientated if/when they get around to that.
After due consideration and the fact I never really looked at the bof setup for this.. imma pass on this ship. To bad its not more tuned or have options for different captains to fly her.. ill stick to my dd ty
If people follow suit with this and follow what we did with our D'deridex ships for turn rate then they'll put the powdered turn rate at 16.7 minimum, add some of the gear from the dil mine once uber fleets get that done and this thing will turn into an escort really fast.
Glad it wasn't part of the Legacy pack as I still like those ships better.
Overall I am more than just a bit disappointed with this.
Yet another supersized escort. When will the romulans get a real carrier, or a VA/LG level science ship? A universal commander slot would have gone quite a ways in alleviating that.
A bigger point of contention is that Thalaron Pulse. What the hell is the Romulan Republic, you know, the guys allied with the Federation and the Klingons, who have both banned those weapons, doing with a thalaron bfg?
Really?
How hard would it be to just make it a plasma type weapon? There is a whole slew of Trek technobable weapons and technologies that could be used for the bfg, but you still use the one type that is banned by everyone but the RSE.
While you kept the Scimitar as close to the movie one as you could, that weapon should not have been included.
I love super weapons, and like to use them....but thalaron weapons have throughout Star Trek and the STO storyline been taboo.
I think the ship on its own is pretty good, and you did a good job with it, but I don't think that any consideration was given of how this ship fits into STO (and I am not talking about Star Trek canon here, I am referring to the story put forth by Cryptic).
Not even a single variant has two hangars? It was a waste of time waiting for this.
While I think it's packing enough fire power not to need 2 Hanger slots, a Variant in the 3 would be nice/better.
Unless you had a ship that wasn't as Tactically heavy which these are but had say more Science abilies, less tactic. All 3 ships are pretty much cookie kutter of one another. Same BOFF layout.
But 5 foreward weapons is a ton of firepower. Hell, I lay stuff out with 4 using Dual Hvy Cannons & Scatter Volley, everybody does unless u rainbow with bad tact mods. Also note the heavy Aft & I think it was 3 device slots. Plus all it's ship perks. 1 hanger will be enough for that thing. More ship variations & kill the illegal Thalaron & ur good
Okay I think the Federation Dreadnought needs some love so it can compete with the Romulan Dreadnought. I mean seriously compared to the romulan one the Federation one is just a Cruiser with Cannons and a cloak. it has less firepower, less console slots and a regular cloak that takes up a console slot. It hardly seems fair.
This is true. It should have another energy/blast type then those who are against freedom/peace. Even in this game it goes on-&-on on how bad it is. Then all of a sudden every one & their momma flying around with it. You would kill the universe. Coding it tobe a nanite-distuptor blast or plasma-disruptor would be more viable
10hrs or so and the more I read the more I see a movie that might do just "ok" - not blockbuster day 1 and dive after that.
If I were in charge - I would rather have a 43k hull and a Uni Cmdr and 8 turn - and take all the sales + some contraversy - than have this so-so - meh - another tac ship nothing special response - that's building - or not building it would seem.
Would rather have people raving "needs a nerf" as opposed to sales just limping along - more people yelling nerf also means more people running out to buy the ship that needs a nerf and they know will never get a nerf - good for sales.
10hrs or so and the more I read the more I see a movie that might do just "ok" - not blockbuster day 1 and dive after that.
If I were in charge - I would rather have a 43k hull and a Uni Cmdr and 8 turn - and take all the sales + some contraversy - than have this so-so - meh - another tac ship nothing special response - that's building - or not building it would seem.
Would rather have people raving "needs a nerf" as opposed to sales just limping along - more people yelling nerf also means more people running out to buy the ship that needs a nerf and they know will never get a nerf - good for sales.
Tulwar Class Cmdr, LtCmdr, Lt, Lt, Ens
Sensor Analysis
(Or a 1.2 shield modifier or 2 hanger bays)
I think if we had seen something like these it would have pleased those of use who are sick of Star Tac Online and given Romulan players better ship variety as they are already saturated with Tac ships. Also anyone else find it downright strange that the Tulwar gets 5 Science consoles for a Tac ship!?
Tulwar Class Cmdr, LtCmdr, Lt, Lt, Ens
Sensor Analysis
(Or a 1.2 shield modifier or 2 hanger bays)
I think if we had seen something like these it would have pleased those of use who are sick of Star Tac Online and given Romulan players better ship variety as they are already saturated with Tac ships. Also anyone else find it downright strange that the Tulwar gets 5 Science consoles for a Tac ship!?
I appreciate the responses with regard to Republic use of Thaloron weapon. However, I'm noting that it only becomes available to those player's who own all three ships and are willing to sacrifice three console slot for the mother of all weapons. I just don't think that will be the majority of Romulan faction player's. I could be wrong about that, I suppose.
I'm not sure it's about Trek canon being ignored. I'm going to assume that the only NPC Dreadnought Warbird we see using the Thaloron weapon will be Tal Shiar. Now if Republic NPC Dreadnought Warbird's are seen using it, that's worthy of complaint. Let's see how the Dev's program them to behave first?
Upon news of Legacy of Romulus, I read criticism from player's who prefer allegiance to the Tal Shiar over that of the Republic. While the game mechanic will always interpret these player's as Republic, I suspect those player's will be more than interested in interpreting their characters aggressively in the same spirit as the late Praetor Shinzon. They won't care what the established powers agree to regarding acceptable arms.
Remember that we also share our community between both the story plot driven player's as well as the PvPer's. I see no reason for them to not have fun, too.
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Not entirely true - I see Lots of people upset about the low hull on such a big ship.
And even more upset that all 3 have the same Boff slots.
This is a big sales item for them - I have high hopes that they will listen to the sales numbers and make adjustments accordingly.
And Devs often respond to criticism - although lately it has been really lacking. I would love to hear Al Rivera and a few other explain why they have choosen this path of a low hull - same boff layout for all ships.
One telling thing is the lack of posts in this thread - it's just kind of average - not like many of the last 3 pack releases.
You can't Thalaron planets after all (Or bombard planets at all other then the occasional mission specific incident or special engineer skill) so frankly thalaroning a ship? Well, there are already weapon that kill extra crew units. HarghPeng, etc.
Frankly, it's the one thing that would separate the Romulans from the others. Not being evil or such nonsense, but the putting of their people's survival first, no matter what they need to do to ensure that survival. If anything I see the Thalaron weapon as the "nuke" of Star Trek. Do you just chuck the antilife at the slightest excuse? No. Like Obisek considered them, a weapon of last resort.
I've been here since STOs launch and once upon a time Dev forum interaction to criticism was really good. Nowadays it's been lacking. This was well shown with LOR launch and server issues. Some Dev interaction and transparency would've helped a lot with the community backlash but instead the Devs have become mostly silent. Games like LOL have Devs that regularly forum post and interact with all sorts of threads, having cme back to STO after a long lol stint this was something that struck me as missing in STO.
I just call it like I see it -I was hoping this would be a big release for them - but what I am seeing so far is just average response.
true theres not a single rommie ship that as sci boff slots but like u may have noticed their ships are all tec or eng oriented
thou u got the mirrior versions of the lvl 40 ships, also u can get Fleet Ha'nom Guardian Warbird wich as a cmdr sci boff (correct me if im wrong)
i suspect that we will see more sci rommie ships in the future so all we need to do is wait
as for the scimatar class ships, fantastic job Cryptic been waiting for this day a long time, u guys exceed ur selfs once more ^^
I tend to be reserved as to not weaken the appearance of my comments, but this is utter garbage. After this, Geko/Rivera can not say the "ships are balanced". I want to see a boost to all crappy Fed Cruisers next month.
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It all comes down to the guy/girl In the ship. No need to mood. It's just a game.
Say I'm TRIBBLE call me what ever you want.
Have fun.
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I like pie.
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I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
I don't do name calling - I hope you like the ships - I just see almost no response to this ship across the forums compared to the last 3 pack releases - not even the pvpers have much to say.
I just see a failure to launch - and that makes me sad:(
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Glad it wasn't part of the Legacy pack as I still like those ships better.
on another note the fist of my buddies thats gets this is fighting my fleet sovie ^^
Yet another supersized escort. When will the romulans get a real carrier, or a VA/LG level science ship? A universal commander slot would have gone quite a ways in alleviating that.
A bigger point of contention is that Thalaron Pulse. What the hell is the Romulan Republic, you know, the guys allied with the Federation and the Klingons, who have both banned those weapons, doing with a thalaron bfg?
Really?
How hard would it be to just make it a plasma type weapon? There is a whole slew of Trek technobable weapons and technologies that could be used for the bfg, but you still use the one type that is banned by everyone but the RSE.
While you kept the Scimitar as close to the movie one as you could, that weapon should not have been included.
I love super weapons, and like to use them....but thalaron weapons have throughout Star Trek and the STO storyline been taboo.
I think the ship on its own is pretty good, and you did a good job with it, but I don't think that any consideration was given of how this ship fits into STO (and I am not talking about Star Trek canon here, I am referring to the story put forth by Cryptic).
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First two are @RA...there's no @VA Sci Vessel yet. Probably won't see it until after the Vet...perhaps later in the year when they do the Sela FE?
While I think it's packing enough fire power not to need 2 Hanger slots, a Variant in the 3 would be nice/better.
Unless you had a ship that wasn't as Tactically heavy which these are but had say more Science abilies, less tactic. All 3 ships are pretty much cookie kutter of one another. Same BOFF layout.
But 5 foreward weapons is a ton of firepower. Hell, I lay stuff out with 4 using Dual Hvy Cannons & Scatter Volley, everybody does unless u rainbow with bad tact mods. Also note the heavy Aft & I think it was 3 device slots. Plus all it's ship perks. 1 hanger will be enough for that thing. More ship variations & kill the illegal Thalaron & ur good
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How about an "Isomagnetic Plasma-Disruptor Wave"
If I were in charge - I would rather have a 43k hull and a Uni Cmdr and 8 turn - and take all the sales + some contraversy - than have this so-so - meh - another tac ship nothing special response - that's building - or not building it would seem.
Would rather have people raving "needs a nerf" as opposed to sales just limping along - more people yelling nerf also means more people running out to buy the ship that needs a nerf and they know will never get a nerf - good for sales.
But that's just me.
You're not getting a God ship get over it.
Scimitar Class
Cmdr, LtCmdr, Lt, Lt, Ens
Falchion Class
Cmdr, LtCmdr, Lt, Lt, Ens
42,000 Hull (5% Increase)
Tulwar Class
Cmdr, LtCmdr, Lt, Lt, Ens
Sensor Analysis
(Or a 1.2 shield modifier or 2 hanger bays)
I think if we had seen something like these it would have pleased those of use who are sick of Star Tac Online and given Romulan players better ship variety as they are already saturated with Tac ships. Also anyone else find it downright strange that the Tulwar gets 5 Science consoles for a Tac ship!?
Yes this would be very good.
So you are happy about a slow moving tacscort with little customization? In a 3 pack?
43k hull is in line with other ships it's size - the uni Idea was just a way I thought would be easier than switching all 3 to Cmdr tac or Eng or Sci
and 8 turn is right where the excel is - hardly a god ship
3 HEC's in 1 pack is wacked - 5 sci consoles? for what - no Cmdr sci
4 eng consoles - for what - no Cmdr eng
Anyways - your post means one thing - contraversy brings people out.
I'm not sure it's about Trek canon being ignored. I'm going to assume that the only NPC Dreadnought Warbird we see using the Thaloron weapon will be Tal Shiar. Now if Republic NPC Dreadnought Warbird's are seen using it, that's worthy of complaint. Let's see how the Dev's program them to behave first?
Upon news of Legacy of Romulus, I read criticism from player's who prefer allegiance to the Tal Shiar over that of the Republic. While the game mechanic will always interpret these player's as Republic, I suspect those player's will be more than interested in interpreting their characters aggressively in the same spirit as the late Praetor Shinzon. They won't care what the established powers agree to regarding acceptable arms.
Remember that we also share our community between both the story plot driven player's as well as the PvPer's. I see no reason for them to not have fun, too.
The console layouts make 0 sense. They should be more in line with other 3 variant ships so:
Falchion: 4 2 4
Tulwar: 2 4 4
call it what you like. it carries pets. these ships do make getting in a d'deridex now look like a fed getting in to a galaxy. pretty pointless.