Sometimes it may seem pointless to continue to try and educate people who are seemingly brick walls. However, I truly do believe that some people are truly ignorant - as in "Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular: "ignorant of astronomy"." that our push for equality isn't about sex.
You just never know when the message may take. Even in the thickest ice will eventually melt when exposed to the sunlight of truth.
As somebody said earlier, LGBT people, like Straight people, are just trying to live a "life" without oppression, not a "lifestyle".
I'm sorry, I don't call it ignorant, I call it by another word, SELFISH.
I'm not TRIBBLE, I'm straight, I just got married this weekend. I was able to celebrate a union with the one I love and want to spend the rest of my life with.
If I get sick, she is recognized as my family and will be let in to see me, If I die, she gets all my belongings, no one contests this and all the benefits that I've accrued in my life.
TRIBBLE people, don't have these luxuries, simply because some of us can't get over the sex it is implied they have, which in all honesty, is such a small part of the whole damned equation, in a real relationship.
I've NEVER been attacked, or killed simply because, I looked, or acted straight, or because I was attracted to someone. But this happens all the time, even in the U.S. I shudder to think what happens in other less evolved places on the planet.
I've never had people hate me because, I hold my girl's, now WIFE'S hand in public, or been called disgusting for showing the slightest bit of public affection.
Why selfish? Because if YOU can marry, if YOU can live your life as you and the majority see fit, why care? Right?
Until someone YOU love suffers with this. Until someone YOU love, can't marry their partner they've had a loving relationship with for decades, why invest ? Right?
Until someone YOU CARE FOR, dies and their loving partner, is thrown out of the home they built together and the life they built TOGETHER is carved up and given away without a second thought to them.
It happens all the time, but you know, as long as they live their lives quietly and keep their gayness out of my face, It's okay right ?
Well I'll tell you somethin, the world is getting smaller and smaller each day. All kinds of people rub up against one another, (not figuratively :rolleyes:) in some fashion or another and gleam all sorts of information about one's neighbors, co workers, friends ect., WITHOUT any advertising, or solicitation about one's lifestyle choices, WITHOUT people ever saying a single word about who they love, date, or fancy. But some TRIBBLE people are still hunted down, dragged out of the proverbial closets in workplaces, social groups and even families EVERYDAY.
I COULD TELL YOU STORIES about what goes on where I work. The gossip, about who is TRIBBLE and who's doing who, and watch out for that one, he's a homo. And I work with "adults", in a nice little American small town too.
Some of the worst offenders? Lovely little gray haired women, I swear to you !
Out of the mouths of people you would trust to leave your children with, it's unbelievable !
Don't believe me? I give you one name, Paula Deen......... Look at that whole friggin mess. That's where such behavior takes you, takes us. TO RUIN.
SUCH HATE, SUCH VENOM and why? Did this person do them any wrong? The answer, most often, is NO. Granny just finds them "disgusting".
And find what disgusting exactly? Are these people having sex at their workstations? Are they making out in the corridors?
NO, they are having lunch together, being seen coming back from coffee breaks TOGETHER, HEAVENS !
They have a lisp, they act "effeminate", they dress TO GOOD, they are wearing a PINK shirt, their hair is too neat, they smell too good ! THE SILLY RIDICULOUSNESS goes on and on. (And I hear it all, all the time too, and I bet most of you have as well)
It's hate, for hate's sake, plain and simple, (be honest). When you can hate one group for virtually no reason, (and hating on someone because you IMAGINE in your mind's eye, two men or two women getting it on, IS virtually NO REASON, unless they actually do it, for real on your kitchen table) you can do the same for ANY group you don't feel an affinity with, or simply don't APPROVE of. Is this evolved?
Is this how humanity is going to keep treating each other? We'll never make it, if so. No Star Trek realized, for us. Imagine how we would treat ALIENS ? !
If my son, ends up being TRIBBLE, I DON'T CARE, so long as he can be happy. And I would want him to enjoy all the wonderful things in life I can enjoy as a straight man.
Until being TRIBBLE, REALLY no longer matters and they no longer suffer at the hands of others simply because of their pursuit of happiness, I say stand up, be counted and celebrate your diversity.
Let people know your numbers. I cheer you for your courage, and I would be PROUD to stand with you.
If my son, ends up being TRIBBLE, I DON'T CARE, so long as he can be happy. And I would want him to enjoy all the wonderful things in life I can enjoy as a straight man.
Until being TRIBBLE, REALLY no longer matters and they no longer suffer at the hands of others simply because of their pursuit of happiness, I say stand up, be counted and celebrate your diversity.
Let people know your numbers. I cheer you for your courage, and I would be PROUD to stand with you.
Hear, Hear! The support of our straight allies are as much of an integral part of forward progress as the courage displayed by the LGBT community.
Your son is a very lucky boy, regardless of what his orientation ends up being. Thank you for helping to make the world a better place!
Will we see other social, sexual, religiuos events to allow others to show thier pride in what social, sexual or religiuos viewpoint they hold since the precident has been set?
Im sure others would enjoy thier moments to show pride in thier lifestyles and choices.
Will we see other social, sexual, religiuos events to allow others to show thier pride in what social, sexual or religiuos viewpoint they hold since the precident has been set?
Im sure others would enjoy thier moments to show pride in thier lifestyles and choices.
My guess is probably not...
Unless somebody figures out a way to use another popular Trek Theme to logically show that what they take pride in, has somehow been displayed as a constant under-current of divisiveness, throughout the history of the franchise.
I'm pretty sure several folks will give it a shot though.
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Unless somebody figures out a way to use another popular Trek Theme to logically show that what they take pride in, has somehow been displayed as a constant under-current of divisiveness, throughout the history of the franchise.
I'm pretty sure several folks will give it a shot though.
Well thats would be saddening. Openness and Tolerance should be extended to all groups or its just a lie that openness and tolerance exists at all and the whole idea falls back into self serving agendas.
Well thats would be saddening. Openness and Tolerance should be extended to all groups or its just a lie that openness and tolerance exists at all and the whole idea falls back into self serving agendas.
Why not just say what you mean, rather than try and use the tired excuse that we are looking to exclude other people's rights to inclusion?
This event is clearly open to all, and all were invited to participate. So, how do you figure you were excluded?
Why not just say what you mean, rather than try and use the tired excuse that we are looking to exclude other people's rights to inclusion?
Who said you where excluding anybody?
I asked if other groups would be afforded the same chance as you enjoy.
Yet you attack me with assumptions on my motivation?
Do not presume to know my mind or outlook on life until you get to know me on a more personel level and can make an informed decision.
The questition was worded to not give chance to offend, yet you react as struck when I did not attack you.
Pratice what you preach, please. The question was a simple one.
The funny thing about the medium of forum posts, you're going to get:
1.) Profound commentary, because some will share personal truths;
2.) Misguided comments reflecting Star Trek canon, social and religious bias, and;
3.) Hurtful comments from a select few.
The original post post was awesome. The following commentary is interesting in that it shows how far we have come while it exposes intolerance. We might argue that Roddenberry would have been inclusive on all levels, but even he had issues with religion.
Star Trek and its inclusiveness is yours to decide.
20 years ago I would never have celebrated Pride. It was something that would hurt my career, and impact my business and family. Today it is something I can celebrate (and if you can excuse the obvious pun) with PRIDE.
Will we see other social, sexual, religiuos events to allow others to show thier pride in what social, sexual or religiuos viewpoint they hold since the precident has been set?
Im sure others would enjoy thier moments to show pride in thier lifestyles and choices.
Well since it's a player run event and not an official Cryptic event, I don't see why other players can't host their own pride events.
A lot of people are reading too much into this blog post. What I read was a discourse on diversity as presented in the Star Trek TV shows. The single paragraph mentioning Stonewall Fleet and their Pride event is simply a courtesy to the author for writing the post. Get over it, people.
Well thats would be saddening. Openness and Tolerance should be extended to all groups or its just a lie that openness and tolerance exists at all and the whole idea falls back into self serving agendas.
I agree, BUT with the caveat, HATE groups.
I wouldn't want to see Jihad, or Neo TRIBBLE events.
"Some" groups that practice intolerance and hate, have no business in this discussion.
Believe it or not, there are those, (and I am not implying you or anyone in particular), who would throw these groups in, ridiculous as it is, just to muddy the whole situation.
Like those who would argue why not let someone marry their dog, or have three or four wives, if two men, or two women in a committed relationship can marry....
It can get ridiculous.
I'm proud to live in Massachusetts where same sex couples have the right to marry.
Any group, minority or not, that add positively to the human condition should have it's day.
I don't know about anyone else, but I relish the chance to celebrate anything positive, and as often as possible.
There's just so much negativity this world, you gotta find the good in what you can and celebrate it, or else you'd feel compelled to play in traffic.
Personaly I was thinking of a KDF awareness event for this year.
I mistakenly thought the pride event was a cryptic sponsored event.
No worries.
I think a KDF awareness article/event would be great. I haven't been on my KDF for some time since the rep system is pretty brutal for alts. Had to pick and choose which ones I wanted to work on first. I could dust him off though for any KDF events.
Last year one fleet did run a KDF honor event, i competed (partially) in a bat' leth tournament, hopefully they will run one again this year.
New home of the Romulan Republic.
I have an idea for what Season 11 should be; Season 11: The Big Bug Fix.
I have not been able to read my bug tickets in over a year, not even the tickets about not being able to see my tickets.
I find the drama of your signature proof of your immaturity, this means you, DR whiners.
Its funny how the mere mentioning of Pride and Stonewall Fleet, somehow leads to the implication that sexuality, religious and political things are being said.
*Hits face with palm of hand* oh the humanity ignoramus.
I am not an expert on all the world's religions, but....
The so-called "Evangelicals" in America are a dangerous right-wing ideologically driven hate group....
Wow! Talk about ignorance, intolerance, gross generalizations and outright bigotry! Your comment features it all. Congratulations on being so socially enlightened and extremely discriminating.
It never ceases to amaze me how a special interest group will engage in the very tactics of dehumanization, demonization and outright dishonesty that they claim others have used against them. The STO LGBT community certainly has shown its prideful arrogance and penchant for intolerance in this blog thread.
Of course, it is usually the radicalized, loud, minority segment of a movement that becomes the face of that movement. Much as we've seen the middle eastern democracy movement hijacked by extremist thugs. I can only hope the bigotry I've read from those preaching "Diversity" in STO is not representative of the STO LGBT community as a whole.
The most amazing thing about this particular thread is that many of the pro-LGBT (especially the Stonewall Fleet) commentators have been allowed to engage in serious violations of the eula, tos and forum guidelines, while posting comments that would be considered "hate speech" if made by other special interest groups. It is perplexing, to say the least and should not be allowed.
Intolerance should not be tolerated, even when it comes from special interest groups who seek to justify their own bigotry by claiming grievances. Everyone in life has grievances, but there is no excuse for spreading hatred and intolerance in the name of a particular point of self-righteousness. That is simply repeating the cycle and is precisely what Mr Roddenberry was hoping to show us through his works, especially Star Trek.
As a mere paying customer, with no personal connections, or social influence with the game's powers that be, I may not be able to convince those powers to stop the abuses being meted out on their forums, but I can boycott both this recruiting event and premium (Zen) game purchases, to show my disapproval. Those steps have and will be done. A letter to PWE has also been dispatched. Perhaps, at some level, there are those who remain committed to an officially apolitical game experience and tolerance for all of STO's community members.
Wow! Talk about ignorance, intolerance, gross generalizations and outright bigotry! Your comment features it all. Congratulations on being so socially enlightened and extremely discriminating.
It never ceases to amaze me how a special interest group will engage in the very tactics of dehumanization, demonization and outright dishonesty that they claim others have used against them. The STO LGBT community certainly has shown its prideful arrogance and penchant for intolerance in this blog thread.
Of course, it is usually the radicalized, loud, minority segment of a movement that becomes the face of that movement. Much as we've seen the middle eastern democracy movement hijacked by extremist thugs. I can only hope the bigotry I've read from those preaching "Diversity" in STO is not representative of the STO LGBT community as a whole.
The most amazing thing about this particular thread is that many of the pro-LGBT (especially the Stonewall Fleet) commentators have been allowed to engage in serious violations of the eula, tos and forum guidelines, while posting comments that would be considered "hate speech" if made by other special interest groups. It is perplexing, to say the least and should not be allowed.
Intolerance should not be tolerated, even when it comes from special interest groups who seek to justify their own bigotry by claiming grievances. Everyone in life has grievances, but there is no excuse for spreading hatred and intolerance in the name of a particular point of self-righteousness. That is simply repeating the cycle and is precisely what Mr Roddenberry was hoping to show us through his works, especially Star Trek.
As a mere paying customer, with no personal connections, or social influence with the game's powers that be, I may not be able to convince those powers to stop the abuses being meted out on their forums, but I can boycott both this recruiting event and premium (Zen) game purchases, to show my disapproval. Those steps have and will be done. A letter to PWE has also been dispatched. Perhaps, at some level, there are those who remain committed to an officially apolitical game experience and tolerance for all of STO's community members.
Peace out.
In Star Trek, religion, especially conservative, fundamentalist religion, was generally depicted as something which poisoned the minds and hearts of sentient species. The human race had largely overcome religious indoctrination as it had moved from the benighted 20th century dystopia of war and ignorance to the utopian, enlightened society of the 23rd century and beyond.
Humans, in Star Trek, were rarely depicted as religious. They had moved beyond that. The aliens that were explicitly religious were generally depicted as deluded or ignorant, often violent extremists. It was not until Gene's passing that, for the first time, I ever remember an important religious believer in Star Trek being depicted in a positive light, and the "gods" she believed in turned out to be "real" and benevolent.
Gene Roddenbury was also a huge advocate of TRIBBLE rights and worked hard to get homosexual characters included in Star Trek. Many of the early Star Trek conventions that kept him fed and clothed were put on primarily by the homosexual community.
The evidence demonstrates that religion, especially conservative, extremist forms of religion such as evangelicalism, have always been derided and warned against in Star Trek whereas Star Trek and its creator has always embraced social change and pushed for acceptance of those with unusual gender identities.
So please, write your letter. CBS is located in the Theater District of Manhattan. Cryptic Studios and PWE are both located in the San Francisco Bay Area. Star Trek is produced in and around Los Angeles. I believe the pride events in these three locations all get over a million participants most years.
I am sure that the people who work their will take a letter containing a diatribe about how a blog entry about Star Trek and tolerance for all people, including homosexuals, is the message of "special interest" group which has no place in Star Trek or its licensed products with as much seriousness as it deserves: none.
After reading all the hate, posted by both sides of the coin, I have become completely turned off by "Star Trek: Online".
Even though I am against 'the act' of homosexuality, I completely accept 'everyone' as my sister and brother. We are all struggling with our own personal demons. Many people are alcoholics, divorced, drug addicts, etc... As long as no one is committing a vicious crime, I do not see any reason to get upset.
Before the extraction of the Omega Reputation system, the chat room on DS9 was filled with all types of hate. Now, I see it on full display in the forums. Pro-religion, anti-religion, pro-politics, anti-politics, pro-TRIBBLE, anti-TRIBBLE, etc... "Star Trek: Online" has it all. While Gene Roddenberry was not a saint, (adulterer and anti-religious), the message behind the "Star Trek" series was clear...
According to established "Star Trek" canon, Gene Roddenberry believed that the only way forward would be a nuclear holocaust. Once seventy-five percent of the world is gone, humanity would finally push towards solving issues such as poverty, famine, environmental changes, and war. "Star Trek" is based upon a utopian society, which was born out of the ashes of World War III.
The 21st century, defined in the calendar of Earth as the period from 2001 to 2100, was a decisive turning point in Human history. After World War III devastated large parts of Earth, Zefram Cochrane made First contact with the Vulcans, ushering in a new era of peace, unity and development for Humankind. (Star Trek: First Contact; Star Trek: Enterprise)
...the era of World War III was a period of global conflict on Earth that eventually escalated into a nuclear cataclysm and genocidal war over issues including genetic manipulation and Human genome enhancement. World War III itself ultimately lasted from 2026 through 2053, and resulted in the death of some 600 million Humans. By that time, many of the planet's major cities and governments had been destroyed.
I guess Gene Roddenberry knew BIG government was a problem.
Wow! Talk about ignorance, intolerance, gross generalizations and outright bigotry! Your comment features it all. Congratulations on being so socially enlightened and extremely discriminating.
It never ceases to amaze me how a special interest group will engage in the very tactics of dehumanization, demonization and outright dishonesty that they claim others have used against them. The STO LGBT community certainly has shown its prideful arrogance and penchant for intolerance in this blog thread.
Really? The LGBT community has dehumanized the straight community?
Much as we've seen the middle eastern democracy movement hijacked by extremist thugs. I can only hope the bigotry I've read from those preaching "Diversity" in STO is not representative of the STO LGBT community as a whole.
So, it's ok for you to compare a peaceful segment of the population simply attempting to achieve Equality, with radical Jihadists? But, I'm the unreasonable one? :rolleyes:
The most amazing thing about this particular thread is that many of the pro-LGBT (especially the Stonewall Fleet) commentators have been allowed to engage in serious violations of the eula, tos and forum guidelines, while posting comments that would be considered "hate speech" if made by other special interest groups. It is perplexing, to say the least and should not be allowed.
I do not speak for the Stonewall Fleet, nor am I a representative for them, nor have I claimed to be. Whether or not I am a member of the fleet is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Nothing I have said should or can be construed as "Hate Speech", because it isn't.
Intolerance should not be tolerated, even when it comes from special interest groups who seek to justify their own bigotry by claiming grievances. Everyone in life has grievances, but there is no excuse for spreading hatred and intolerance in the name of a particular point of self-righteousness. That is simply repeating the cycle and is precisely what Mr Roddenberry was hoping to show us through his works, especially Star Trek.
I am not intolerant of anybody's beliefs, however wrong or ignorant I personally hold them to be. It is my right to point out that I believe them to be wrong, however, as is your right to express the same in regards to mine.
But, nobody, on either side of any debate in a civilized society, has the right to infringe upon another's rights, regardless of their personal beliefs, as long as they are not causing harm to another.
LGBT people throughout history, up to this very day, are being murdered simply for who they are. I don't believe that the same can be said for heterosexual people.
As a mere paying customer, with no personal connections, or social influence with the game's powers that be, I may not be able to convince those powers to stop the abuses being meted out on their forums, but I can boycott both this recruiting event and premium (Zen) game purchases, to show my disapproval. Those steps have and will be done. A letter to PWE has also been dispatched. Perhaps, at some level, there are those who remain committed to an officially apolitical game experience and tolerance for all of STO's community members.
I also have credit card statements that reflect payment to PWE too, so I guess in that regard we are equal.
I suppose it is your right to believe that you are being abused by me, PWE, or anybody else that you choose. But, that is simply not happening in reality.
According to established "Star Trek" canon, Gene Roddenberry believed that the only way forward would be a nuclear holocaust. Once seventy-five percent of the world is gone, humanity would finally push towards solving issues such as poverty, famine, environmental changes, and war. "Star Trek" is based upon a utopian society, which was born out of the ashes of World War III.
I am going to conclude that it is unlikely that you were alive in the 1960's. I suggest you study the era or at least speak to someone who was. I suspect that many people felt that nuclear war was inevitable. Star Trek premiered a few scant years after the Cuban Missile Crisis brought the Earth to the brink of nuclear annihilation.
I am going to conclude that it is unlikely that you were alive in the 1960's. I suggest you study the era or at least speak to someone who was. I suspect that many people felt that nuclear war was inevitable. Star Trek premiered a few scant years after the Cuban Missile Crisis brought the Earth to the brink of nuclear annihilation.
Unless you have missed the last fifteen years of news and history, you would have noticed that the world is steadily pushing towards a nuclear war. Its just a mater of time. You need to keep up on current events. As a result of focusing on domestic issues, many people were too busy to pay attention. We are standing at the doorway of another cold war. Our governments are too afraid to admit what has happened.
You need to keep up.
We need to get past this equal rights issue, so we can take care of a much more serious problem.
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I'm sorry, I don't call it ignorant, I call it by another word, SELFISH.
I'm not TRIBBLE, I'm straight, I just got married this weekend. I was able to celebrate a union with the one I love and want to spend the rest of my life with.
If I get sick, she is recognized as my family and will be let in to see me, If I die, she gets all my belongings, no one contests this and all the benefits that I've accrued in my life.
TRIBBLE people, don't have these luxuries, simply because some of us can't get over the sex it is implied they have, which in all honesty, is such a small part of the whole damned equation, in a real relationship.
I've NEVER been attacked, or killed simply because, I looked, or acted straight, or because I was attracted to someone. But this happens all the time, even in the U.S. I shudder to think what happens in other less evolved places on the planet.
I've never had people hate me because, I hold my girl's, now WIFE'S hand in public, or been called disgusting for showing the slightest bit of public affection.
Why selfish? Because if YOU can marry, if YOU can live your life as you and the majority see fit, why care? Right?
Until someone YOU love suffers with this. Until someone YOU love, can't marry their partner they've had a loving relationship with for decades, why invest ? Right?
Until someone YOU CARE FOR, dies and their loving partner, is thrown out of the home they built together and the life they built TOGETHER is carved up and given away without a second thought to them.
It happens all the time, but you know, as long as they live their lives quietly and keep their gayness out of my face, It's okay right ?
Well I'll tell you somethin, the world is getting smaller and smaller each day. All kinds of people rub up against one another, (not figuratively :rolleyes:) in some fashion or another and gleam all sorts of information about one's neighbors, co workers, friends ect., WITHOUT any advertising, or solicitation about one's lifestyle choices, WITHOUT people ever saying a single word about who they love, date, or fancy. But some TRIBBLE people are still hunted down, dragged out of the proverbial closets in workplaces, social groups and even families EVERYDAY.
I COULD TELL YOU STORIES about what goes on where I work. The gossip, about who is TRIBBLE and who's doing who, and watch out for that one, he's a homo. And I work with "adults", in a nice little American small town too.
Some of the worst offenders? Lovely little gray haired women, I swear to you !
Out of the mouths of people you would trust to leave your children with, it's unbelievable !
Don't believe me? I give you one name, Paula Deen......... Look at that whole friggin mess. That's where such behavior takes you, takes us. TO RUIN.
SUCH HATE, SUCH VENOM and why? Did this person do them any wrong? The answer, most often, is NO. Granny just finds them "disgusting".
And find what disgusting exactly? Are these people having sex at their workstations? Are they making out in the corridors?
NO, they are having lunch together, being seen coming back from coffee breaks TOGETHER, HEAVENS !
They have a lisp, they act "effeminate", they dress TO GOOD, they are wearing a PINK shirt, their hair is too neat, they smell too good ! THE SILLY RIDICULOUSNESS goes on and on. (And I hear it all, all the time too, and I bet most of you have as well)
It's hate, for hate's sake, plain and simple, (be honest). When you can hate one group for virtually no reason, (and hating on someone because you IMAGINE in your mind's eye, two men or two women getting it on, IS virtually NO REASON, unless they actually do it, for real on your kitchen table) you can do the same for ANY group you don't feel an affinity with, or simply don't APPROVE of. Is this evolved?
Is this how humanity is going to keep treating each other? We'll never make it, if so. No Star Trek realized, for us. Imagine how we would treat ALIENS ? !
If my son, ends up being TRIBBLE, I DON'T CARE, so long as he can be happy. And I would want him to enjoy all the wonderful things in life I can enjoy as a straight man.
Until being TRIBBLE, REALLY no longer matters and they no longer suffer at the hands of others simply because of their pursuit of happiness, I say stand up, be counted and celebrate your diversity.
Let people know your numbers. I cheer you for your courage, and I would be PROUD to stand with you.
Hear, Hear! The support of our straight allies are as much of an integral part of forward progress as the courage displayed by the LGBT community.
Your son is a very lucky boy, regardless of what his orientation ends up being. Thank you for helping to make the world a better place!
Good luck in the contests next weekend!
Will we see other social, sexual, religiuos events to allow others to show thier pride in what social, sexual or religiuos viewpoint they hold since the precident has been set?
Im sure others would enjoy thier moments to show pride in thier lifestyles and choices.
R.I.P
I just recently re-watched the TNG episode quoted in the blog actually, and I thought of how perfectly written out it was. Nice to see it used here.
Maybe Ill sneak in a few starbase defense missions.
Your Javelin deals 125417 (89066) Disruptor Damage(Critical) to Tholian Recluse. > lol
My guess is probably not...
Unless somebody figures out a way to use another popular Trek Theme to logically show that what they take pride in, has somehow been displayed as a constant under-current of divisiveness, throughout the history of the franchise.
I'm pretty sure several folks will give it a shot though.
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
Well thats would be saddening. Openness and Tolerance should be extended to all groups or its just a lie that openness and tolerance exists at all and the whole idea falls back into self serving agendas.
R.I.P
Why not just say what you mean, rather than try and use the tired excuse that we are looking to exclude other people's rights to inclusion?
This event is clearly open to all, and all were invited to participate. So, how do you figure you were excluded?
Who said you where excluding anybody?
I asked if other groups would be afforded the same chance as you enjoy.
Yet you attack me with assumptions on my motivation?
Do not presume to know my mind or outlook on life until you get to know me on a more personel level and can make an informed decision.
The questition was worded to not give chance to offend, yet you react as struck when I did not attack you.
Pratice what you preach, please. The question was a simple one.
R.I.P
I would just like to confirm, are you sure you have never been killed?
:P j/k, I wanted to lighten the mood a bit. I liked your post otherwise.
1.) Profound commentary, because some will share personal truths;
2.) Misguided comments reflecting Star Trek canon, social and religious bias, and;
3.) Hurtful comments from a select few.
The original post post was awesome. The following commentary is interesting in that it shows how far we have come while it exposes intolerance. We might argue that Roddenberry would have been inclusive on all levels, but even he had issues with religion.
Star Trek and its inclusiveness is yours to decide.
20 years ago I would never have celebrated Pride. It was something that would hurt my career, and impact my business and family. Today it is something I can celebrate (and if you can excuse the obvious pun) with PRIDE.
Well since it's a player run event and not an official Cryptic event, I don't see why other players can't host their own pride events.
Mine Trap Supporter
I agree, BUT with the caveat, HATE groups.
I wouldn't want to see Jihad, or Neo TRIBBLE events.
"Some" groups that practice intolerance and hate, have no business in this discussion.
Believe it or not, there are those, (and I am not implying you or anyone in particular), who would throw these groups in, ridiculous as it is, just to muddy the whole situation.
Like those who would argue why not let someone marry their dog, or have three or four wives, if two men, or two women in a committed relationship can marry....
It can get ridiculous.
I'm proud to live in Massachusetts where same sex couples have the right to marry.
Any group, minority or not, that add positively to the human condition should have it's day.
I don't know about anyone else, but I relish the chance to celebrate anything positive, and as often as possible.
There's just so much negativity this world, you gotta find the good in what you can and celebrate it, or else you'd feel compelled to play in traffic.
Personaly I was thinking of a KDF awareness event for this year.
I mistakenly thought the pride event was a cryptic sponsored event.
R.I.P
No worries.
I think a KDF awareness article/event would be great. I haven't been on my KDF for some time since the rep system is pretty brutal for alts. Had to pick and choose which ones I wanted to work on first. I could dust him off though for any KDF events.
Mine Trap Supporter
I have an idea for what Season 11 should be; Season 11: The Big Bug Fix.
I have not been able to read my bug tickets in over a year, not even the tickets about not being able to see my tickets.
I find the drama of your signature proof of your immaturity, this means you, DR whiners.
I think that would be awesome!!
My apologies, it seems I misread what you had said earlier.
I don't think anybody here can deny that the Klingons do indeed need some love.
And I don't want to know about your sexuality anyways, it shouldn't be a topic.
Then don't participate in the event.... simple enough, no?
No worries.
R.I.P
Aw TRIBBLE. I should have never written that letter to Penthouse.......
R.I.P
*Hits face with palm of hand* oh the humanity ignoramus.
Wow! Talk about ignorance, intolerance, gross generalizations and outright bigotry! Your comment features it all. Congratulations on being so socially enlightened and extremely discriminating.
It never ceases to amaze me how a special interest group will engage in the very tactics of dehumanization, demonization and outright dishonesty that they claim others have used against them. The STO LGBT community certainly has shown its prideful arrogance and penchant for intolerance in this blog thread.
Of course, it is usually the radicalized, loud, minority segment of a movement that becomes the face of that movement. Much as we've seen the middle eastern democracy movement hijacked by extremist thugs. I can only hope the bigotry I've read from those preaching "Diversity" in STO is not representative of the STO LGBT community as a whole.
The most amazing thing about this particular thread is that many of the pro-LGBT (especially the Stonewall Fleet) commentators have been allowed to engage in serious violations of the eula, tos and forum guidelines, while posting comments that would be considered "hate speech" if made by other special interest groups. It is perplexing, to say the least and should not be allowed.
Intolerance should not be tolerated, even when it comes from special interest groups who seek to justify their own bigotry by claiming grievances. Everyone in life has grievances, but there is no excuse for spreading hatred and intolerance in the name of a particular point of self-righteousness. That is simply repeating the cycle and is precisely what Mr Roddenberry was hoping to show us through his works, especially Star Trek.
As a mere paying customer, with no personal connections, or social influence with the game's powers that be, I may not be able to convince those powers to stop the abuses being meted out on their forums, but I can boycott both this recruiting event and premium (Zen) game purchases, to show my disapproval. Those steps have and will be done. A letter to PWE has also been dispatched. Perhaps, at some level, there are those who remain committed to an officially apolitical game experience and tolerance for all of STO's community members.
Peace out.
In Star Trek, religion, especially conservative, fundamentalist religion, was generally depicted as something which poisoned the minds and hearts of sentient species. The human race had largely overcome religious indoctrination as it had moved from the benighted 20th century dystopia of war and ignorance to the utopian, enlightened society of the 23rd century and beyond.
Humans, in Star Trek, were rarely depicted as religious. They had moved beyond that. The aliens that were explicitly religious were generally depicted as deluded or ignorant, often violent extremists. It was not until Gene's passing that, for the first time, I ever remember an important religious believer in Star Trek being depicted in a positive light, and the "gods" she believed in turned out to be "real" and benevolent.
Gene Roddenbury was also a huge advocate of TRIBBLE rights and worked hard to get homosexual characters included in Star Trek. Many of the early Star Trek conventions that kept him fed and clothed were put on primarily by the homosexual community.
The evidence demonstrates that religion, especially conservative, extremist forms of religion such as evangelicalism, have always been derided and warned against in Star Trek whereas Star Trek and its creator has always embraced social change and pushed for acceptance of those with unusual gender identities.
So please, write your letter. CBS is located in the Theater District of Manhattan. Cryptic Studios and PWE are both located in the San Francisco Bay Area. Star Trek is produced in and around Los Angeles. I believe the pride events in these three locations all get over a million participants most years.
I am sure that the people who work their will take a letter containing a diatribe about how a blog entry about Star Trek and tolerance for all people, including homosexuals, is the message of "special interest" group which has no place in Star Trek or its licensed products with as much seriousness as it deserves: none.
Welcome to the round file.
After reading all the hate, posted by both sides of the coin, I have become completely turned off by "Star Trek: Online".
Even though I am against 'the act' of homosexuality, I completely accept 'everyone' as my sister and brother. We are all struggling with our own personal demons. Many people are alcoholics, divorced, drug addicts, etc... As long as no one is committing a vicious crime, I do not see any reason to get upset.
Before the extraction of the Omega Reputation system, the chat room on DS9 was filled with all types of hate. Now, I see it on full display in the forums. Pro-religion, anti-religion, pro-politics, anti-politics, pro-TRIBBLE, anti-TRIBBLE, etc... "Star Trek: Online" has it all. While Gene Roddenberry was not a saint, (adulterer and anti-religious), the message behind the "Star Trek" series was clear...
We have a long way to go.
According to established "Star Trek" canon, Gene Roddenberry believed that the only way forward would be a nuclear holocaust. Once seventy-five percent of the world is gone, humanity would finally push towards solving issues such as poverty, famine, environmental changes, and war. "Star Trek" is based upon a utopian society, which was born out of the ashes of World War III.
Gene Roddenberry is right.
Star Trek: Memory Alpha Link:
21st Century
Star Trek: Memory Alpha Link:
World War III
I guess Gene Roddenberry knew BIG government was a problem.
Really? The LGBT community has dehumanized the straight community?
Remembering LGBT History: The New Orleans UpStairs Fire, the Largest TRIBBLE Massacre in U.S. History
Be sure and read the comments in the article describing the 32 murdered human beings.
Which is precisely what I said:
So, it's ok for you to compare a peaceful segment of the population simply attempting to achieve Equality, with radical Jihadists? But, I'm the unreasonable one? :rolleyes:
I do not speak for the Stonewall Fleet, nor am I a representative for them, nor have I claimed to be. Whether or not I am a member of the fleet is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Nothing I have said should or can be construed as "Hate Speech", because it isn't.
I am not intolerant of anybody's beliefs, however wrong or ignorant I personally hold them to be. It is my right to point out that I believe them to be wrong, however, as is your right to express the same in regards to mine.
But, nobody, on either side of any debate in a civilized society, has the right to infringe upon another's rights, regardless of their personal beliefs, as long as they are not causing harm to another.
LGBT people throughout history, up to this very day, are being murdered simply for who they are. I don't believe that the same can be said for heterosexual people.
I also have credit card statements that reflect payment to PWE too, so I guess in that regard we are equal.
I suppose it is your right to believe that you are being abused by me, PWE, or anybody else that you choose. But, that is simply not happening in reality.
I am going to conclude that it is unlikely that you were alive in the 1960's. I suggest you study the era or at least speak to someone who was. I suspect that many people felt that nuclear war was inevitable. Star Trek premiered a few scant years after the Cuban Missile Crisis brought the Earth to the brink of nuclear annihilation.
You need to keep up.
We need to get past this equal rights issue, so we can take care of a much more serious problem.