IMO it shouldn't be useful for ships that are already established tanks.
That is not such a good stance considering that Cruisers NEED all the help they can get. Also the Romulan Cruisers are not the sort of ship that can really stay decloaked and tank all day the way Fed ones can.
The console is a bit intensely powerful but more for Escort-like ships which are already OP by default.
I really wish you knew me better. When I lose, a spade is a spade. I know when im beaten by a superior player. I also know the juicy taste of victory over said player later.
I also know when ive been victim of shenanigans.
This is shenanigans.
Ive pvped for far too long across too many mmos to think otherwise. This would be a non-issue if what I had seen looked even half normal or even possible otherwise.
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You know, just because you play alts, doesn't mean other people do. Just because you want to play romulan doesn't mean other people do. As a matter of fact, I've played the SAME char since pre-opening and I'm not going to drop it because of some overpowered console or shiny ship on another faction a dev let slip in.
I have a great deal of items, progress and time spent on my char and don't give me that "oh 10 billion ec in gear is easy to replace" nonsense.
No, you won't drop your main character just for a decent console, but you will insist that if it's half decent and you can't have it, NERF NERF NERF! lol
I think this sums up your position *cough* bias *cough* quite nicely.
I really wish you knew me better. When I lose, a spade is a spade. I know when im beaten by a superior player. I also know the juicy taste of victory over said player later.
I also know when ive been victim of shenanigans.
This is shenanigans.
Ive pvped for far too long across too many mmos to think otherwise. This would be a non-issue if what I had seen looked even half normal or even possible otherwise.
According to them, I'm some coward trying to nerf their pointy eared rommies so I can stay ontop of PvP. I like a challenge, I'm the type to fly into a squad of players.
I don't like bad game balance that throws the entire game up over its head however.
According to them, I'm some coward trying to nerf their pointy eared rommies so I can stay ontop of PvP. I like a challenge, I'm the type to fly into a squad of players.
I don't like bad game balance that throws the entire game up over its head however.
I dont think they realize i have a romulan that would probably quite love said op console. hell i even have the zen right now to buy it, but i dont want to crutch on bad mechanics. (not to mention i have this thing against paying even more for an item in a game i already subscribe to... no other f2p does that to its paying subbers)
i believe in the spirit of competition, not arbitrary i win buttons misbalanced by devs that perhaps did not see the pvp ramifications of what would be a rather benign thing, if it was limited to only pve.
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Personally I agree with a post earlier in the thread (forget the poster name) mine must be broken I would like the OP one. If I get the proc it is at the beginning of the first fight in the mission and then, from what I can tell, I do not get the proc again until the next mission, so to me that to me is not OP. But what do I know I absolutely despise pvp and believe it has no place in any game. From what I can tell the people that are complaining have been doing so from a pvp point of view and what is good for pvp is not good for pve imho.
Personally I agree with a post earlier in the thread (forget the poster name) mine must be broken I would like the OP one. If I get the proc it is at the beginning of the first fight in the mission and then, from what I can tell, I do not get the proc again until the next mission, so to me that to me is not OP. But what do I know I absolutely despise pvp and believe it has no place in any game. From what I can tell the people that are complaining have been doing so from a pvp point of view and what is good for pvp is not good for pve imho.
Are you parsing your logs?
_______________ CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that? Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
Well the finally desicion rest with Al Rivera I believe - and he has said that he really does not want to do any nerfing of paid consoles - period - although he might have some in mind for a much later time or date.
He said he is very aware of the HUGE ragefest that would insue if he nerfed a new paid for ship console.
So add that + the fact that Cryptic could still sell several million $$$$ - millions over the next few months of this very ship
===== No nerf in the forseeable future.
This thread is pointless.
Well all your post make pros and cons of the console valid - this is fact.
I don't do premades. In fact I prefer 1v1s, but aside from this fact. Don't you think it a flawed argument to say "oh but everyones worried about the tactis with this console, but they dont care about the sci/engineers with it! so that means you should leave it alone, and let the tactis remain invincible!"
Ignoring the fact that sci/engineering players can abuse this console pretty effectively...
You seriously don't see a problem with this argument? Really?
I think its a pretty good console, but no more OP then other stuff plaguing pvp you don't see others here wanting nerfed. Shield resist stacking makes a recluse with sci or eng nearly unkillable already because he is keeping EPTS3 up full time and can run TSS3 on himself or others and ES3 on others making someone else also nearly unkillable, especially when they all use elite shields. Wells with its 1.43 shield mod and being able to run TSS3 and EPTS3 is more tanky, it also gets escort manuverability. Maybe we should look at what else is overpowered shield wise if this console is.
No, but then I play for fun and I really do not care if it triggers or not, bleed through damage usually kills me, flying through my own HY plasma torps does most of it :rolleyes:. I tend to lose situational awareness quite easily:o
I think its a pretty good console, but no more OP then other stuff plaguing pvp you don't see others here wanting nerfed. Shield resist stacking makes a recluse with sci or eng nearly unkillable already because he is keeping EPTS3 up full time and can run TSS3 on himself or others and ES3 on others making someone else also nearly unkillable, especially when they all use elite shields. Wells with its 1.43 shield mod and being able to run TSS3 and EPTS3 is more tanky, it also gets escort manuverability. Maybe we should look at what else is overpowered shield wise if this console is.
We aren't merely talking about game balance here, we are talking about a GAME BREAKING console that is indisputably game breaking.
You can argue against it, but you'd only be arguing against reality.
I already excplained due to the way shield mechanics works it is resists that are op not heals, something this console doesn't help with at all. Without being at or near the resist cap you might survive a few seconds longer with this then without it, if you are even lucky to have the proc go off when you need it and not wasted when you have full shields. It still counts towards the shield heals which skews the numbers showing more more heals then you actually received.
Its the tactics abused by these premades that are OP, using Recluses to stack resists so high its nearly impossible to ever kill anyone without subnuccing then focusing, even that is often not enough, the healer also has to be neutralized or moved away somehow. If something that is nerfed that helps Romulan shields then the tactics used mostly by feds to keep their shields up needs to be nerfed big time. Nerf extend shields, nerf Recluse shield modifier and hull, nerf TSS3, nerf EPTS3 full uptime, nerf elite shields, nerf Wells shield modifeir and heals it gets from temporal set, and lower shield resist cap.
Do all that then it might be fair to nerf the only thing Romulans have keeping their shields from being paper since we can only set it to 15 power most of the time or have no manuverability.
Having seen the effects of this console first hand, it is OP in PvP.
Don't see how its OP in PvE though. Is there such a thing?
4 escorts against 1 mogai that had been snb'd and scrubbed, I dem alphad as did one other, his shields were regenning faster than we could lay damage.
If this is not OP, then I want my tier 4 omega shield regen back to its original 1200 every 6.
That's right, the skill that all the high end PvPers wanted rid of due to pugs actually had a fighting chance.
So why are all the high level players crying 'no nerf' on this?
That's right, because not everyone will have it and it makes pug stomp easier.
Lately PvP has been an utter joke with premades cheeseing it up, then throw this in and its not even remotely entertaining.
I hope for once that they listen to the normal players rather than the couple of big PvP fleets that seem to run this game, obviously no one else matters as long as those groups are appeased.
Honestly I cannot believe the amount of debate there is in this thread.
That console is not overpowered. I can take my KDF Klink in his default Raptor and his non-c-store end-game gear and one shot you . . . guaranteed . . . . shield or not.
For those of you that are having trouble killing an opponant with that shield on - please try the following:
The fire button. By default this is the space bar. That shield does not proc THAT bloody much that a good barrage will not punch through. If you fire at the right time (using the steps below) then no amount of proccing on this console will help.
Your buffs . . . trust me . . . you do have them.
Strategy and placement . . . This is an MMO, not an arcade game . . . think before you strike and you will prevail over the 98 percent of your opponants that do not think before queuing . . .
Is the shield handy? Hell yes. It has saved my butt a few times in the STFs. Is it that off balance in PvP? No. If you are supposedly immortal because someone is running this console, then whoever is firing at you really need to learn to use a buff or two . . . maybe even turn on auto-fire or something.
And in response to the derp comment that the defiant has 8 weapon slots . . . feel free to pass me your Defiant, because mine has what everyone else has here . . . 7. Before debating on the physics and balance of equipment in game, first learn to count the basic first numbers in the human numeric system. It's pretty much universal. If needed, I can link some very handy tutorials on counting. Some are hosted by "The Count" off Sesame Street . . . and he is not scary like Barney is
EDIT: Forgot to add . . . it will not hurt my feelings if they nerf the shield . . . it will not hurt my feelings if they leave it alone. I just find it funny that because you have something new to adapt to and use your brain to fight in PvP that you freak out on here as if it is a total killer when I can use all default in-game gear and win against a Mogai.
Cheers
/unsubscribes, chuckles and goes back to playing the game.
Well the finally desicion rest with Al Rivera I believe - and he has said that he really does not want to do any nerfing of paid consoles - period - although he might have some in mind for a much later time or date.
He said he is very aware of the HUGE ragefest that would insue if he nerfed a new paid for ship console.
So add that + the fact that Cryptic could still sell several million $$$$ - millions over the next few months of this very ship
===== No nerf in the forseeable future.
This thread is pointless.
Well all your post make pros and cons of the console valid - this is fact.
I agree here. They nerf a paid console (specially for those who spent $200) and you've bait and switched them on their purchase. Instead of complaining, someone come up with a strategy against it here and post it. I don't PvP and I actually like this console for STFs.
Sad panda tag complaining about an op advantage? oh the irony. lemme guess in order to be in your fleets premade u are required to have this console and you just cant afford it atm?
I have a better idea. Nerf every nerf post on these forums.
Youre arrogance a self entitlement over something YOU deem op reaks
Its a great Console that can be used on any Romulan Warbird.
It will not make you immortal because you still have to heal your hull from Plasma Fire and bleedthrough what it will do is make you harder to kill.
Is it OP?
In PvP their are 2 passive that someone can use (tier 4 Omega and tier 2 Tholian rep) that allows someone to do damage that bypasses shields and does direct hull damage. Is this shield heal OP compared to those passives? Will this console make you immortal against someone with both those passives?
I do not know the answer to the PvP questions I asked because I have not done any PvP in a wile and don't plan on any because I am working on getting tier 5 for my old characters in Tholian rep and making multiple Romulan characters to level 50.
In PvE this console won't make you immortal fighting the Borg in Elite STF missions because Borg have 1 hit kill weapons in addition to weapons that sets your hull on fire. This proc is streaky and I have gone a good amount of time between heals and I don't always get heals when I need them.
Should this console be nerfed?
Maybe
How exactly should the console be nerfed if nerfed?
I don't know. Maybe reduce the shield heal to 50% of the damage from with the weapon that set off the proc. Maybe reduce the proc chance from 2.5% to 1% chance.
All I know is that if it does get nerfed I am worried that they might nerf it so hard that it becomes a almost useless console and I don't want a massive nerf to it only a moderate nerf.
Ended up dueling a klingon bop the other day, he spanked me even while using a 100% energy build with this console, he didn't even have to do an alpha decloak.
Given that you're talking about PvE, I feel it neccessary to point out that you're not supposed to be competing. If you are, you're doing it wrong.
Hrmm, I'm not sure if this has been addressed - but it caught my eye early and kind of caused me to skip everything else between to reply to it here at the end.
Many PvE events are competitive. There are different rewards depending on how you place.
Federation Minefield, Starbase 24, Gorn Minefield, Crystalline Catastrophe, etc, etc, etc...depending on how you place, you receive a better reward than if you placed lower.
While obviously some cooperation is required, you still want to do better than the next guy to get a better reward at the end than he did.
So while you may have felt the need to point out that people are doing it wrong, suffice to say - it is obvious that you are doing it wrong or simply lack the base understanding of how many PvE events work.
Crystalline, being a heal based reward system becomes a major issue when you consider this particular console.
Somebody flying a Romulan healboat, that has aligned Federation for Elite Fleet Phasers, and is using this console will have an advantage over anybody that has not. The KDF aligned Romulan would lack the EF Phasers and could not compete. The non-Romulan Fed would not have the Valdore console and could not compete. The non-Romulan KDF would be even further behind. Etc, etc, etc...
As long as Cryptic has systems in place that reward based on certain things, then people will seek to game such systems to their favor. The Valdore console...makes it much easier for them to do so.
I must have missed the marketing campaign for the console, where as part of some design goal, they said: For only $7.50, you can increase your EC earning in STO!
Having seen the effects of this console first hand, it is OP in PvP.
Don't see how its OP in PvE though. Is there such a thing?
4 escorts against 1 mogai that had been snb'd and scrubbed, I dem alphad as did one other, his shields were regenning faster than we could lay damage.
If this is not OP, then I want my tier 4 omega shield regen back to its original 1200 every 6.
That's right, the skill that all the high end PvPers wanted rid of due to pugs actually had a fighting chance.
So why are all the high level players crying 'no nerf' on this?
That's right, because not everyone will have it and it makes pug stomp easier.
Lately PvP has been an utter joke with premades cheeseing it up, then throw this in and its not even remotely entertaining.
I hope for once that they listen to the normal players rather than the couple of big PvP fleets that seem to run this game, obviously no one else matters as long as those groups are appeased.
You have it backwards, it is premade PVPers like the OP that want it nerfed because they all have shield resists from their overpowered Recluse healers. They don't need the console since most of them are to scared to ever leave the safety of their premades. This console gives someone without recluse healers just a bit more survivablitily if they are lucky at the cost of a console slot.
Anything that makes a ship that isn't the Bug, Recluse or Wells even slightly competitive is OP to these premade pvpers because thats the only ships they use and want to be viable.
You have it backwards, it is premade PVPers like the OP that want it nerfed because they all have shield resists from their overpowered Recluse healers. They don't need the console since most of them are to scared to ever leave the safety of their premades. This console gives someone without recluse healers just a bit more survivablitily if they are lucky at the cost of a console slot.
Anything that makes a ship that isn't the Bug, Recluse or Wells even slightly competitive is OP to these premade pvpers because thats the only ships they use and want to be viable.
NO YOUVE got it wrong, and you are lying, whether you know it or not. It is the people who bought it and want to keep their I win button because they lack talent in-game. So they come to the forums and bash people arguing against the broken console with FACTS.
Where are your facts? You have none to oppose the massive shield boost statistics except "oh its only a little benefit."
PvP schmvP, things don't get tweaked/adjusted for PvP. They get adjusted because of issues in PvE. The Valdore console is causing issues in PvE. People trying to make this about PvP are just trying to deflect the issue in the hopes of presenting it as a PvP issue so Cryptic ignores it.
As for PvP, you don't frag another player by taking their Shields 100-0...you do it by taking their Hull 100-0. It's easy enough to pop folks with full Shields.
This is a PvE issue. It's allowing folks to complete content faster than they were in non-competitive PvE events and it's giving an advantage to folks in competitive PvE events. It's that simple...
NO YOUVE got it wrong, and you are lying, whether you know it or not. It is the people who bought it and want to keep their I win button because they lack talent in-game. So they come to the forums and bash people arguing against the broken console with FACTS.
Where are your facts? You have none to oppose the massive shield boost statistics except "oh its only a little benefit."
Premade my eye.
You have an I win button you are using right now, the bugship, and seems like its the only ship you use going over your posts. Don't even try saying its not an I win button, I have one and I know its so OP got bored of it and hardly use it anymore. That ship makes actually makes me feel guilty using it, not the Valdore console. I actually have the courage to get out of my bug and try other ships so I know what is and isn't OP.
Your supposed "facts" are skewed because the logs don't properly show the amount of actual healing done. The proc is very unreliable and goes off when you don't get any benefit of it yet the logs still show you got a heal when you didn't. You are the other delusional players here are lying by misrepresenting these numbers as "facts".
I will agree that a ship with the Valdore console is as OP as the Bug, Recluse, and Wells, but not more OP then them. So if it needs a nerf then all of those need nerfs too.
Don't reply to me anymore as I am threw arguing with delusional obnoxious posters who restort to slander by accusing people of lying when they themselves are misrepresenting their supposed "facts". I will just post here for the devs and others sake, I could care less about your opinion. you don't even belong in this forum as its for Romulans and like you said, you aren't interested in ever making one, you are only interested in nerfing stuff that your I win button can't instant faceroll anymore.
Ended up dueling a klingon bop the other day, he spanked me even while using a 100% energy build with this console, he didn't even have to do an alpha decloak.
Klingons cannot use this console, so you just suck.
Klingons cannot use this console, so you just suck.
The guy was trying to say he was using the console and it couldn't save him from a bird of prey alpha strike, showing this console is far from OP and you are quite killable while using it.
Klingons cannot use this console, so you just suck.
I'm no premade grade player, but I don't suck. My full arsenal of 3 turrets, 3 dhc and 1 dbb were trained on him almost constantly. We didn't battle long because I thought I was challenging a romulan to a dual. But regardless, it quickly degraded into a sit in one place and shoot each other in a DPS heal off. He won fair and square. I'm not sure if the console is OP or not, I don't have the tools or launch level experience to say things like that yet, I just want to share my experiences in the discussion. It isn't an I-win button though, that I know for sure.
Hrmm, I'm not sure if this has been addressed - but it caught my eye early and kind of caused me to skip everything else between to reply to it here at the end.
As long as Cryptic has systems in place that reward based on certain things, then people will seek to game such systems to their favor. The Valdore console...makes it much easier for them to do so.
I must have missed the marketing campaign for the console, where as part of some design goal, they said: For only $7.50, you can increase your EC earning in STO!
Just saying...
2 things as I said in my last post as to whether this will get changed:
1)Al Rivera has said he does not want to nerf new paid for ships/consoles - he does not want to get into a big player ragefest - and a big one at that with all the legacy packs sold + all the extra sold as news of this spreads around the PvE community.
2)Over the next 6 months this ships should continue to sell VERY VERY well because of this console - perhaps as high as 50k units - that`s up to $500k in further sales - ontop of millions already.
So don`t expect anything to change anytime soon
Being a transphasic torp boat bomber in PvP means that I avoid this issue - except in PvE where it`s nice to have as back-up.
As some have pointed out its`a useless console if you are not shooting something - so a decloaking alpha strike that catches a player off guard will still go BOOM - just as before.
There.
I fixed your topic to something a thousand times more important than a whine about a mere console.
Until they somehow fix science ships and cruisers to be competitive in the same missions you're complaining about, one console is childish to rage about.
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That is not such a good stance considering that Cruisers NEED all the help they can get. Also the Romulan Cruisers are not the sort of ship that can really stay decloaked and tank all day the way Fed ones can.
The console is a bit intensely powerful but more for Escort-like ships which are already OP by default.
I also know when ive been victim of shenanigans.
This is shenanigans.
Ive pvped for far too long across too many mmos to think otherwise. This would be a non-issue if what I had seen looked even half normal or even possible otherwise.
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No, you won't drop your main character just for a decent console, but you will insist that if it's half decent and you can't have it, NERF NERF NERF! lol
I think this sums up your position *cough* bias *cough* quite nicely.
Cheers,
Zoo (D'Zoo)
According to them, I'm some coward trying to nerf their pointy eared rommies so I can stay ontop of PvP. I like a challenge, I'm the type to fly into a squad of players.
I don't like bad game balance that throws the entire game up over its head however.
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I dont think they realize i have a romulan that would probably quite love said op console. hell i even have the zen right now to buy it, but i dont want to crutch on bad mechanics. (not to mention i have this thing against paying even more for an item in a game i already subscribe to... no other f2p does that to its paying subbers)
i believe in the spirit of competition, not arbitrary i win buttons misbalanced by devs that perhaps did not see the pvp ramifications of what would be a rather benign thing, if it was limited to only pve.
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Are you parsing your logs?
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
He said he is very aware of the HUGE ragefest that would insue if he nerfed a new paid for ship console.
So add that + the fact that Cryptic could still sell several million $$$$ - millions over the next few months of this very ship
===== No nerf in the forseeable future.
This thread is pointless.
Well all your post make pros and cons of the console valid - this is fact.
I think its a pretty good console, but no more OP then other stuff plaguing pvp you don't see others here wanting nerfed. Shield resist stacking makes a recluse with sci or eng nearly unkillable already because he is keeping EPTS3 up full time and can run TSS3 on himself or others and ES3 on others making someone else also nearly unkillable, especially when they all use elite shields. Wells with its 1.43 shield mod and being able to run TSS3 and EPTS3 is more tanky, it also gets escort manuverability. Maybe we should look at what else is overpowered shield wise if this console is.
No, but then I play for fun and I really do not care if it triggers or not, bleed through damage usually kills me, flying through my own HY plasma torps does most of it :rolleyes:. I tend to lose situational awareness quite easily:o
We aren't merely talking about game balance here, we are talking about a GAME BREAKING console that is indisputably game breaking.
You can argue against it, but you'd only be arguing against reality.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=735711
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Its the tactics abused by these premades that are OP, using Recluses to stack resists so high its nearly impossible to ever kill anyone without subnuccing then focusing, even that is often not enough, the healer also has to be neutralized or moved away somehow. If something that is nerfed that helps Romulan shields then the tactics used mostly by feds to keep their shields up needs to be nerfed big time. Nerf extend shields, nerf Recluse shield modifier and hull, nerf TSS3, nerf EPTS3 full uptime, nerf elite shields, nerf Wells shield modifeir and heals it gets from temporal set, and lower shield resist cap.
Do all that then it might be fair to nerf the only thing Romulans have keeping their shields from being paper since we can only set it to 15 power most of the time or have no manuverability.
Don't see how its OP in PvE though. Is there such a thing?
4 escorts against 1 mogai that had been snb'd and scrubbed, I dem alphad as did one other, his shields were regenning faster than we could lay damage.
If this is not OP, then I want my tier 4 omega shield regen back to its original 1200 every 6.
That's right, the skill that all the high end PvPers wanted rid of due to pugs actually had a fighting chance.
So why are all the high level players crying 'no nerf' on this?
That's right, because not everyone will have it and it makes pug stomp easier.
Lately PvP has been an utter joke with premades cheeseing it up, then throw this in and its not even remotely entertaining.
I hope for once that they listen to the normal players rather than the couple of big PvP fleets that seem to run this game, obviously no one else matters as long as those groups are appeased.
That console is not overpowered. I can take my KDF Klink in his default Raptor and his non-c-store end-game gear and one shot you . . . guaranteed . . . . shield or not.
For those of you that are having trouble killing an opponant with that shield on - please try the following:
Is the shield handy? Hell yes. It has saved my butt a few times in the STFs. Is it that off balance in PvP? No. If you are supposedly immortal because someone is running this console, then whoever is firing at you really need to learn to use a buff or two . . . maybe even turn on auto-fire or something.
And in response to the derp comment that the defiant has 8 weapon slots . . . feel free to pass me your Defiant, because mine has what everyone else has here . . . 7. Before debating on the physics and balance of equipment in game, first learn to count the basic first numbers in the human numeric system. It's pretty much universal. If needed, I can link some very handy tutorials on counting. Some are hosted by "The Count" off Sesame Street . . . and he is not scary like Barney is
EDIT: Forgot to add . . . it will not hurt my feelings if they nerf the shield . . . it will not hurt my feelings if they leave it alone. I just find it funny that because you have something new to adapt to and use your brain to fight in PvP that you freak out on here as if it is a total killer when I can use all default in-game gear and win against a Mogai.
Cheers
/unsubscribes, chuckles and goes back to playing the game.
I agree here. They nerf a paid console (specially for those who spent $200) and you've bait and switched them on their purchase. Instead of complaining, someone come up with a strategy against it here and post it. I don't PvP and I actually like this console for STFs.
I have a better idea. Nerf every nerf post on these forums.
Youre arrogance a self entitlement over something YOU deem op reaks
It will not make you immortal because you still have to heal your hull from Plasma Fire and bleedthrough what it will do is make you harder to kill.
Is it OP?
In PvP their are 2 passive that someone can use (tier 4 Omega and tier 2 Tholian rep) that allows someone to do damage that bypasses shields and does direct hull damage. Is this shield heal OP compared to those passives? Will this console make you immortal against someone with both those passives?
I do not know the answer to the PvP questions I asked because I have not done any PvP in a wile and don't plan on any because I am working on getting tier 5 for my old characters in Tholian rep and making multiple Romulan characters to level 50.
In PvE this console won't make you immortal fighting the Borg in Elite STF missions because Borg have 1 hit kill weapons in addition to weapons that sets your hull on fire. This proc is streaky and I have gone a good amount of time between heals and I don't always get heals when I need them.
Should this console be nerfed?
Maybe
How exactly should the console be nerfed if nerfed?
I don't know. Maybe reduce the shield heal to 50% of the damage from with the weapon that set off the proc. Maybe reduce the proc chance from 2.5% to 1% chance.
All I know is that if it does get nerfed I am worried that they might nerf it so hard that it becomes a almost useless console and I don't want a massive nerf to it only a moderate nerf.
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Hrmm, I'm not sure if this has been addressed - but it caught my eye early and kind of caused me to skip everything else between to reply to it here at the end.
Many PvE events are competitive. There are different rewards depending on how you place.
Federation Minefield, Starbase 24, Gorn Minefield, Crystalline Catastrophe, etc, etc, etc...depending on how you place, you receive a better reward than if you placed lower.
While obviously some cooperation is required, you still want to do better than the next guy to get a better reward at the end than he did.
So while you may have felt the need to point out that people are doing it wrong, suffice to say - it is obvious that you are doing it wrong or simply lack the base understanding of how many PvE events work.
Crystalline, being a heal based reward system becomes a major issue when you consider this particular console.
Somebody flying a Romulan healboat, that has aligned Federation for Elite Fleet Phasers, and is using this console will have an advantage over anybody that has not. The KDF aligned Romulan would lack the EF Phasers and could not compete. The non-Romulan Fed would not have the Valdore console and could not compete. The non-Romulan KDF would be even further behind. Etc, etc, etc...
As long as Cryptic has systems in place that reward based on certain things, then people will seek to game such systems to their favor. The Valdore console...makes it much easier for them to do so.
I must have missed the marketing campaign for the console, where as part of some design goal, they said: For only $7.50, you can increase your EC earning in STO!
Just saying...
You have it backwards, it is premade PVPers like the OP that want it nerfed because they all have shield resists from their overpowered Recluse healers. They don't need the console since most of them are to scared to ever leave the safety of their premades. This console gives someone without recluse healers just a bit more survivablitily if they are lucky at the cost of a console slot.
Anything that makes a ship that isn't the Bug, Recluse or Wells even slightly competitive is OP to these premade pvpers because thats the only ships they use and want to be viable.
NO YOUVE got it wrong, and you are lying, whether you know it or not. It is the people who bought it and want to keep their I win button because they lack talent in-game. So they come to the forums and bash people arguing against the broken console with FACTS.
Where are your facts? You have none to oppose the massive shield boost statistics except "oh its only a little benefit."
Premade my eye.
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As for PvP, you don't frag another player by taking their Shields 100-0...you do it by taking their Hull 100-0. It's easy enough to pop folks with full Shields.
This is a PvE issue. It's allowing folks to complete content faster than they were in non-competitive PvE events and it's giving an advantage to folks in competitive PvE events. It's that simple...
You have an I win button you are using right now, the bugship, and seems like its the only ship you use going over your posts. Don't even try saying its not an I win button, I have one and I know its so OP got bored of it and hardly use it anymore. That ship makes actually makes me feel guilty using it, not the Valdore console. I actually have the courage to get out of my bug and try other ships so I know what is and isn't OP.
Your supposed "facts" are skewed because the logs don't properly show the amount of actual healing done. The proc is very unreliable and goes off when you don't get any benefit of it yet the logs still show you got a heal when you didn't. You are the other delusional players here are lying by misrepresenting these numbers as "facts".
I will agree that a ship with the Valdore console is as OP as the Bug, Recluse, and Wells, but not more OP then them. So if it needs a nerf then all of those need nerfs too.
Don't reply to me anymore as I am threw arguing with delusional obnoxious posters who restort to slander by accusing people of lying when they themselves are misrepresenting their supposed "facts". I will just post here for the devs and others sake, I could care less about your opinion. you don't even belong in this forum as its for Romulans and like you said, you aren't interested in ever making one, you are only interested in nerfing stuff that your I win button can't instant faceroll anymore.
The guy was trying to say he was using the console and it couldn't save him from a bird of prey alpha strike, showing this console is far from OP and you are quite killable while using it.
Folks think in terms of Fed vs. KDF. If there is a KDF-aligned Rom, they're still going to be KDF. It's FvK, FvF, KvK, etc...there is no R.
I'm no premade grade player, but I don't suck. My full arsenal of 3 turrets, 3 dhc and 1 dbb were trained on him almost constantly. We didn't battle long because I thought I was challenging a romulan to a dual. But regardless, it quickly degraded into a sit in one place and shoot each other in a DPS heal off. He won fair and square. I'm not sure if the console is OP or not, I don't have the tools or launch level experience to say things like that yet, I just want to share my experiences in the discussion. It isn't an I-win button though, that I know for sure.
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2 things as I said in my last post as to whether this will get changed:
1)Al Rivera has said he does not want to nerf new paid for ships/consoles - he does not want to get into a big player ragefest - and a big one at that with all the legacy packs sold + all the extra sold as news of this spreads around the PvE community.
2)Over the next 6 months this ships should continue to sell VERY VERY well because of this console - perhaps as high as 50k units - that`s up to $500k in further sales - ontop of millions already.
So don`t expect anything to change anytime soon
Being a transphasic torp boat bomber in PvP means that I avoid this issue - except in PvE where it`s nice to have as back-up.
As some have pointed out its`a useless console if you are not shooting something - so a decloaking alpha strike that catches a player off guard will still go BOOM - just as before.
There.
I fixed your topic to something a thousand times more important than a whine about a mere console.
Until they somehow fix science ships and cruisers to be competitive in the same missions you're complaining about, one console is childish to rage about.